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05.22.13, 01:02 AM
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I just followed the instructions we got in the final instructions package and got everything they recommended.
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05.22.13, 01:12 AM
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They pick them up? Fancy.
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05.22.13, 01:14 AM
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Indeed. Not our camp!
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05.22.13, 01:19 AM
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we are required to use a company called Camp Trucking - $200+ to deliver trunks.
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05.22.13, 01:16 AM
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F that shit. I like my Y camp. That is highway robbery. Why can't you just put it in the trunk of the car when you drive DD up?
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05.22.13, 01:23 AM
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We don't drive kids up they take a bus. on the positive side for the youngest camper their trunks are unpacked and bed made when they arrive and they get them right out playing to help avoid kids getting homesick.
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05.22.13, 01:24 AM
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Wow. That isn't camp to me at all. We made our own beds and our parents dropped us off. Sounds like a hotel.
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05.22.13, 01:33 AM
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it definitely looks and feels like camp,a very nice camp with awesome facilities but still camp. Most importantly no electronics which will be this generations definition of the camp - unplugged for 7 weeks!
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05.22.13, 01:29 AM
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Well, that is good. I go for much much more rustic.
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05.22.13, 01:37 AM
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Ha, this
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05.22.13, 01:38 AM
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Np - yeah that's crazy!!! Not what camp is meant to be - just adds to the entitlement!!
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05.22.13, 01:32 AM
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Pp- hey, different strokes for different folks.
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05.22.13, 01:40 AM
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I just posted this on another thread...Fairy Tales Shampoo. It REALLY works at preventing getting head lice in the first place! http://www.drugstore.com/fairy-tales-rosemary-repel-shampoo/qxp227520?catid=183491
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05.22.13, 01:09 AM
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Is it true that once DC gets lice that they are more prone to getting it again?
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05.22.13, 01:16 AM
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Np - I don't think so.
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05.22.13, 01:19 AM
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No. My DC got lice once. That was 3 years ago. I have used the Fairy Tales Shampoo and Detangler (Spray Conditioner) on both my kids since then and thank goodness neither has gotten lice since.
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05.22.13, 01:21 AM
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That's silly, unless you never got all the lice to begin with.
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05.22.13, 01:17 AM
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you send them to camp with Fairy Tale or use it before camp. They do a lice check of every kid once they arrive.
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05.22.13, 01:16 AM
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I pack little surprises and a card with. Heartfelt note.
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05.22.13, 01:11 AM
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what kind of surprises?
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05.22.13, 01:17 AM
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Stickers, colored pens, comics
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05.22.13, 01:20 AM
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Like those little toys you get near the checkout at Barnes and Noble.
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05.22.13, 01:21 AM
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Mad Libs
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05.22.13, 01:24 AM
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Name tape everything and write name on all other things, like toiletries.
Extra socks and underwear.
Jeans, sweatshirts, tshirts, shorts, bathing suits,towels, personal sports equipment- ie. tennis.
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05.22.13, 01:24 AM
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what about boots for boys? rainboots like Hunter or waterproof hiking boots like Timberland?
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05.22.13, 01:24 AM
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That depends on the camp. Ask them- do they hike?
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05.22.13, 01:25 AM
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np - maybe this isn't UBesque but my kid doesn't have Hunter boots or Timberland boots or any other such footwear. I just send with sneakers until age 12/13- at that point they are usually doing more serious hiking and have hiking boots.
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05.22.13, 01:35 AM
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am thinking about rainy muddy days at camp more than hiking... wondering if rain boots are dorky.
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05.22.13, 01:30 AM
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Of course they hike or at least run around in the woods, it's camp.
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05.22.13, 01:43 AM
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Extra socks, underwear, sneakers, and mostly active clothes (shorts, tshirts).
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05.22.13, 01:21 AM
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They probably have servants carry a change of shoes in case the children get wet while hiking!!
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05.22.13, 01:33 AM
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Spray bottle/fan combo.
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05.22.13, 01:25 AM
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This
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05.22.13, 01:26 AM
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This
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05.22.13, 01:26 AM
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Ooooo, I want to go to camp!
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05.22.13, 01:28 AM
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No way for me!
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05.22.13, 01:39 AM
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Me too. Mine was the BEST.
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05.22.13, 01:43 AM
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I love camp! I have the best memories and the best camp friends!
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05.22.13, 02:02 AM
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05.22.13, 01:00 AM
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No. Average with a good dress. See better all the time.
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05.22.13, 01:03 AM
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05.22.13, 01:19 AM
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do i ever
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05.22.13, 02:28 AM
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What are you drinking? She's normal looking but the close up shots show lots of wrinkles and she's not aging well
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05.22.13, 12:58 AM
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French women grow older gracefully. They don't inject themselves with botulism and tell themselves they look 25, when in fact they look like Fire Marshall Bill.
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05.22.13, 01:35 AM
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no, they just get old like everybody else. she's avg.
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05.22.13, 02:28 AM
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nah
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05.22.13, 01:04 AM
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Audrey Tatou is lovely
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05.22.13, 01:03 AM
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05.22.13, 01:12 AM
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Yes.
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05.22.13, 01:35 AM
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she, too, is just ok.
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05.22.13, 02:29 AM
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She's pretty, but the dress doesn't fit well
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05.22.13, 01:10 AM
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Guy: She's extremely attractive--can never put my finger on what exactly makes her so appealing, but there definitely is something.
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05.22.13, 01:17 AM
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MC has a very French beauty which IMO does not translate well to America.
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05.22.13, 01:18 AM
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Guy from above: I don't understand this at all. Beauty translates very easily. I've never once met a woman who was only attractive in a certain place/situation. Cotillard doesn't look like the women in NYC, but that certainly isn't a strike against her (more of a plus).
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05.22.13, 01:29 AM
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prob pygmies are an exception
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05.22.13, 02:29 AM
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Meh.
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05.22.13, 01:28 AM
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ewww, big nose or bad lips or both
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05.22.13, 02:03 AM
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Lovely woman who photographs beautifully.
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05.22.13, 02:41 AM
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05.22.13, 12:56 AM
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NO. I think doctors that don't take insurance don't take insurance. Has nothing to do with the quality of the doctor.
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05.22.13, 12:57 AM
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05.22.13, 12:52 AM
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I also think they may be a bit elitist and that turns me off, especially OBs
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05.22.13, 01:12 AM
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it really depends on what speciality they are in. I know that in the mental health field the doctors get almost nothing back for their services and it can take a yr + to get paid a lousy 30% of your free.
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05.22.13, 01:12 AM
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Often they are
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05.22.13, 12:51 AM
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+1 why not refuse insurance if you're in a wealthy area?
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05.22.13, 01:04 AM
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yup, why rely on insurance companies for patients when you have a reputable practice that brings in its own patient.
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05.22.13, 01:08 AM
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That is a stupid assumption
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05.22.13, 12:52 AM
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Just greedy pricks
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05.22.13, 12:58 AM
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05.22.13, 01:07 AM
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No, lazy or disorganized.
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05.22.13, 12:55 AM
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They are better than the majority of doctors but you can always find good ones that take insurance in NYC since there are a lot of options. The top docs that take insurance are just very crowded
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05.22.13, 12:55 AM
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just doctors who don't want to deal with insurance companies
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05.22.13, 01:02 AM
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05.22.13, 12:57 AM
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Why not? Why deal with all the paperwork and bullshit if you don't have to? And if you don't have to...
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05.22.13, 12:57 AM
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I think doctors who don't take insurance are more customer service oriented. I think that can lead to worse medicine, since the doctor is more inclined to to what the patient wants rather than good medicine.
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05.22.13, 01:05 AM
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Good medicine as defined by an insurance company? I think you just proved the point.
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05.22.13, 01:01 AM
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No, good medicine is defined by what is recommended by peer reviewed studies. I think doctors who don't take health insurance are more likely to offer treatments with no scientific backing because they want to make their customers happy. For example, I think a doctor who didn't take insurance would be more likely to give antibiotics even when it wasn't indicated, if that's what their patient wanted.
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05.22.13, 01:14 AM
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not true at all. insurance companies often dont let you give certain treatments
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05.22.13, 01:09 AM
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not true at all. insurance companies often dont let you give certain treatments
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05.22.13, 01:09 AM
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That's not the way it works though
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05.22.13, 01:10 AM
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actually insurance paper work and the bullshit that comes along with it takes away the time needed to provide top notch treatment and services.
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05.22.13, 01:11 AM
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No, you need tons of staff for billing, audits, referrals, prior auths etc etc
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05.22.13, 01:19 AM
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it's interesting in the mental health field the only doctors listed under my insurance plan are non-evidence based practitioners. They are al psychoanalysits. Not one CBT psych.
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05.22.13, 01:16 AM
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ITA
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05.22.13, 01:07 AM
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Yes.
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05.22.13, 01:06 AM
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05.22.13, 01:22 AM
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No
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05.22.13, 01:07 AM
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for psychologists and psychiatrists (in nyc). ABSOLUTELY.
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05.22.13, 01:07 AM
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They aren't necessarily better but they do have a lot more time. This is true - signed md mom.
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05.22.13, 01:13 AM
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time to put towards office visits and treatment planning IME.
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05.22.13, 01:15 AM
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I have a couple of amazing specialists at Cornell and they take my insurance.
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05.22.13, 01:29 AM
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YMMV, IME. At the risk of hijacking, I'd reply further that if I were a doctor and had patients who were willing to see me sans insurance, I'd probably love to rid my office of that bureaucratic scourge.
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05.22.13, 01:31 AM
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05.22.13, 12:53 AM
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Sea bands, Dramamine, only light meals/snacks, no screens of any kind in the car?
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05.22.13, 01:09 AM
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^^^also, have her ears been checked? Fluid in ear can mess with balance and general disorientation/dizziness.
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05.22.13, 01:10 AM
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My dd developed car nausea around 6yo. We make sure she has a fullish stomach before starting a trip. Sometimes an empty stomach an exacerbate the feeling of nausea. Also, I have sometimes let her crawl up to the front seat and sit on my lap seatbelted with me. Given the way my dh drives, backseat passengers sure can develop G-force issues. Front seat passengers have it a lot easier with the visual references and cues to anticipate change in balance and speed. Just think about your cab ride with a speedy hasty driver, that's what it can be like.
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05.22.13, 01:30 AM
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front seat is definitely better for nausea, but also really dangerous for a 6 yo.
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05.22.13, 03:51 AM
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Is she forward facing yet? Is the car seat in the middle?
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05.22.13, 01:40 AM
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yes and no. . .
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05.22.13, 02:07 AM
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I was that kid. Nothing helps but time...I have not outgrown it 100 percent, but it's much better. Sea bands and dramamine do not help, reading makes it worse. Fresh air and flat ginger ale are good. Stick to straight flat roads, no curves, no hills, no stop and go when possible.
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05.22.13, 01:45 AM
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but what if you have to go on winding roads? that is the issue!
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05.22.13, 01:58 AM
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don't go
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05.22.13, 01:55 AM
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unfortunately that's not an option!
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05.22.13, 01:59 AM
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bring lots of barf bags
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05.22.13, 02:08 AM
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or: we used to take long road trips every year on winding mountain roads. just pack a puke bucket, make lots of stops for fresh air. nothing you can do.
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05.22.13, 03:52 AM
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Dramamine. Works every time. Seasick, carsick, whatever.
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05.22.13, 02:42 AM
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no. my parents used to force this on me and even now the thought of it makes me sick. the look and taste of it is so strongly associated with nausea for me that I bet if I swallowed one now I'd puke. They'd make me take it before every single car or plane trip and it never worked, I threw up every. single. time.
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05.22.13, 03:54 AM
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05.22.13, 12:52 AM
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Club soda
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05.22.13, 12:47 AM
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Check
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05.22.13, 01:07 AM
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Bacardi Limon, Cranberry Juice, squirt of lime over ice. DELICIOUS and refreshing summer cocktail
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05.22.13, 12:54 AM
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You stock once for the whole summer?
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05.22.13, 12:55 AM
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Op-ha no just assessing what I have.
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05.22.13, 12:58 AM
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Gin - preferably Hendrick's, but Sapphire will do.
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05.22.13, 12:51 AM
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Botanist gin
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05.22.13, 01:04 AM
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OR - I don't know that one?
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05.22.13, 01:00 AM
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It's really good.
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05.22.13, 01:36 AM
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Hendricks is good, Sapphire is too strong. Plymouth is delish with tonic.
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05.22.13, 01:01 AM
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Hendrick's here, too. Still have a good part of both of last summer's bottles:)
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05.22.13, 01:43 AM
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White Bacardi , mango, ice and a blender....yummmm! So refreshing
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05.22.13, 12:52 AM
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Sounds like an upscale version of a fuzzy navel :)
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05.22.13, 01:00 AM
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It's what I had at the Bacardi factory after my tour of the factory ...it was delicious
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05.22.13, 01:02 AM
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sauvignon blanc
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All wines check
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05.22.13, 01:07 AM
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Good vodka & some fresh juices.
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05.22.13, 01:14 AM
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Mojito ingredients
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05.22.13, 01:21 AM
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Wish I could stock a bar. We even have beer taps we can't use. Teenagers.
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05.22.13, 01:26 AM
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Firefly sweet tea vodka, and lots of ice in the freezer. :-D
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05.22.13, 01:33 AM
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I buy margaritas from Costco, pour into mason jars, freeze, and enjoy
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05.22.13, 01:51 AM
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Proseco
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05.22.13, 02:06 AM
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Whiskey!
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05.22.13, 02:23 AM
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Aperol or Campari (or both) - check the NY Times dininng section tomorrow
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05.22.13, 02:19 AM
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Bitters
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05.22.13, 02:43 AM
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05.22.13, 12:42 AM
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How did you end up driving her around?
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05.22.13, 12:44 AM
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the rabbi asked my friend - she knew she was not a nice person and pretended to be sick. then asked me to do it. i did it at least 4 times - so clearly she could have jumped back in ( cant clsim to be sick) it was a 4am ordeal - she needed to be at the hospital by 6am. it was a pain in the neck - but i did it. i just dont want to see her socially.
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05.22.13, 12:48 AM
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she sounds lonely and you were kind to drive her. maybe you can find a survivors' support group she could join?
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05.22.13, 12:39 AM
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thx - might be kind of awkward to say - " i cant meet for dinner, but here is a support group for you...."
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05.22.13, 12:49 AM
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Do it. Look how Scent of a Woman turned out!
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05.22.13, 12:50 AM
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Look how Gabrielle Anwar turned out!!
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05.22.13, 01:14 AM
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She ended up playing princess marygret beef jerky in that King Henry series.
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05.22.13, 01:28 AM
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I was mean how she's now a dehydrated prune.
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Oh, so hard. Maybe you could make a plan for 2 weeks in the future, and spend an hour taking her to get manicures together, or to a movie. She sounds lonely, so it could be a personal volunteer project. Think of it as a mitzvah that you do once a month, or even once every 2 months.
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05.22.13, 12:47 AM
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i know this is the right answer, but the thought makes me sick. i work ft, have 2 dcs, am pregnant, and for me to give this woman an hour... oh it would be painful..
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05.22.13, 12:52 AM
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np - I had the same thought as the OR, but if you are that stretched... no, you are under no obligation to do this. Fade it away.
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05.22.13, 12:59 AM
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you already did more than most people would, just keep reminding her that your children take up a lot of your time and that right now is just really difficult schedule time with all that is going on - GL
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05.22.13, 01:08 AM
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OR: yikes, I'm impressed you were able to drive her to the hospital with all that on your plate. Why don't you talk to your rabbi and explain that you notice she's lonely and see if he has some suggestions. Maybe a few synagogue members could take turns, and you might even do a turn every so often.
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05.22.13, 01:24 AM
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^^^oops, sorry just saw that someone below had a similar suggestion
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05.22.13, 01:25 AM
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This is a really great suggestion. There also must be support groups for her where people will get what she is going through.
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05.22.13, 02:39 AM
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Next time she calls: "It's so nice of you to call, but honestly, I'm really struggling just to tread water with my obligation to work and family right now. I just can't make plans. Some days, I can't even manage to return phone calls. I will definitely give you a call when I'm able to make plans with you." Then, stop picking up her calls. Also, email the rabbi and tell her/him that you are doing this and that if they want to arrange for social services for her that might be a good idea.
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05.22.13, 01:10 AM
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+1 this is good advice. You sound like a kind person and you have done a very nice thing by helping this woman out. Let this relationship fizzle and do not feel guilty. Time to take care of yourself and your family.
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05.22.13, 01:13 AM
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op - youll love this - i did casually mention to the rabbi, i think she is lonley, can we set up meal delivery / visitation for her? and guess what he said -- "great idea -- feel free to set it up and email me your plan" aaaahhhh!!!!
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05.22.13, 01:33 AM
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Go back to the rabbi and tell him you're too busy, and were hoping he'd jump in. I have the feeling I wouldn't like your rabbi.
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05.22.13, 01:31 AM
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NP here. Honey, you need to change shuls. ;-) But seriously, you already did your mitzvah, bigtime. Tell the rabbi what you told us and say that you cannot take care of this and find a nice way of saying that it is his job, not yours.
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05.22.13, 01:44 AM
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+1!! Tell him to reassign the "project".
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05.22.13, 01:55 AM
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05.22.13, 02:12 AM
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^One more thought. If your kind nature makes you do something with her (you sound so lovely, I am thinking you are going to get caught up again...), instead of making plans to do something just with her during time you don't have, take her with you for things you want or need to do anyway like going to the playground then out for ice cream with your dc, or grocery shopping, or shopping for other necessities.
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05.22.13, 01:49 AM
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email him and tell him to please pass your suggestion along to the womens club or some other committee that can handle it - what a stinker he is/was
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05.22.13, 01:51 AM
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OR: Email rabbi back: "Respectfully, I was willing and able to help but I do not have the bandwidth to do more than what I have already done. Please ask someone else, or call social services. This woman needs help that I cannot provide. In fact, I'm unable to take her calls going forward, a fact which I feel bad about. That's why I wrote you in the first place--sorry if I didn't make that clear. See you soon, and thank you for dealing with this."
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05.22.13, 02:00 AM
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You are awesome. What a lazy rabbi!
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05.22.13, 02:40 AM
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Good idea.
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05.22.13, 12:39 AM
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Neither do I...especially after the 1999 disaster. They said that most school do have something but these two school were among the few that didn't. It should be regulation
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05.22.13, 12:41 AM
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i'd like those in the medical community, schools and first responders to demand it. the alarm system doesn't give enough time to move so many people to an outside shelter.
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05.22.13, 12:47 AM
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The ex governor today said that his own family had a shelter built and that it wasn't that expensive...I kept thinking...what does this man consider not expensive. Maybe most ppl can't afford to do this.
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05.22.13, 12:43 AM
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it's about shelters on public buildings that have many people on them, even worst if it's kids (daycare, schools...). a kid who is at school unprotected isn't going to be helped by a home shelter. my family in OK has a great shelter, doesn't help AT ALL if any of the kids is at school.
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05.22.13, 12:54 AM
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I think all schools should be regulated to have these shelters. It's a necessity
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05.22.13, 12:50 AM
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They will now, though. Apathy doesn't work.
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05.22.13, 02:46 AM
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I can't watch. I feel bad for ignoring it, but it's too awful.
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05.22.13, 12:41 AM
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Same- I can't emotionally handle it.
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05.22.13, 01:03 AM
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Earlier today a poster in OK wrote about this very clearly. Based on what she wrote, there actually were good shelters. Search posts from this morning.
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05.22.13, 12:47 AM
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very close to those schools?
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05.22.13, 12:42 AM
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yes, she was about 10 miles away. i think the issue is that the basement flooded---really a tragic, tragic fluke. From what she said OK gets a ton of tornados, schools are often hit and this is the first time kids ever were killed.
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05.22.13, 12:58 AM
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Why is Matt Lauer on the screen... prefer Brian Williams all the way!
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05.22.13, 12:52 AM
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Agreed.
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05.22.13, 01:39 AM
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This was an event of historic proportions...no one has shelters in place for something this extreme and unusual. It would be like having solid steel strollers built in case a car hit one.
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05.22.13, 12:54 AM
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No. Those kids would have survived if they had been in a shelter. No excuse at all.
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05.22.13, 12:58 AM
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I thought they did have a shelter (basement), but it flooded
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05.22.13, 01:01 AM
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Many of them were in a shelter. That is what basements are, but they drowned when pipes burst. There really is no place that you can go for 100% guaranteed safety when a freak event like this occurs.
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05.22.13, 12:56 AM
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On Dateline they said the kids were in the classroom and didn't get out.
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05.22.13, 01:04 AM
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7 were in the basement and drowned.
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05.22.13, 01:05 AM
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Should of dismissed the school earlier.
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05.22.13, 01:33 AM
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If they dismissed school every time there was a tornado warning, nobody in tornado alley would ever go to school. I lived there for 18 years and was never anywhere near one, though there were warnings quite frequently.
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05.22.13, 01:39 AM
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Should HAVE and the warnings aren't that specific until moments before it happens. Stop already and just be sad for the families and send some money.
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05.22.13, 01:42 AM
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They live in tornado alley, it's not like it happened in NYC.
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05.22.13, 12:53 AM
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THIS. But I will say that hurricanes are the new normal in NYC
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05.22.13, 01:05 AM
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That is Tornado Alley. Everyone that lives there needs to be able to get to an underground shelter. Crazy storms are going to happen more often from here on out and we have to make sure the weakest among us are protected. Shelters in schools in Tornado Alley would be good.
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05.22.13, 12:59 AM
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Does anyone know how to help? I don't want to send the Red Cross $10 to go to their overhead.
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05.22.13, 12:57 AM
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Red Cross does a lot of good. They get bad press but really they are out there helping
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05.22.13, 01:05 AM
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The money does not go where it is supposed go.
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05.22.13, 01:28 AM
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np It did in Joplin. They were extremely helpful.
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05.22.13, 01:31 AM
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There isn't a shelter that can withstand a tornado of that strength unless it is underground. Many of the children who died at the school were actually in the basement, which is the only place that you can go for safety.
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05.22.13, 01:01 AM
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Some weren't
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05.22.13, 12:38 AM
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Call the schools
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05.22.13, 12:41 AM
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05.22.13, 12:42 AM
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I agree...people move during the summer.
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05.22.13, 12:40 AM
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OP: I'm not being sarcastic here- but families move after going through the hell of the admissions process?
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05.22.13, 12:54 AM
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Yep. Daddy gets transferred to London, Chicago, Los Angeles; new baby arrives and family decides there is no way they are living in that 650 sq foot apt with 4 people, etc.
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05.22.13, 12:52 AM
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Yes, jobs change, move over sense etc. basically shit happens and plans change
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05.22.13, 12:53 AM
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^^^damn autofill ...meant overseas
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05.22.13, 12:54 AM
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NP. Yes, never give up!!
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05.22.13, 01:44 AM
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OP: haha, thanks!
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05.22.13, 01:46 AM
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Try children's international workshop. Near union square. They are small and fantastic and flexible. Truly
A hidden gem. They may be able to work you in. (graduating mom spam. I don't mind promoting at this point)
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05.22.13, 12:42 AM
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Thanks for the tip!
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05.22.13, 02:15 AM
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Our DCs went to epiphany day school. www.epiphanynyc.org. They have low enrollment this year bc of changing directors. Check them out, lovely school.
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05.22.13, 12:38 AM
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Thank you for the tip!
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05.22.13, 01:46 AM
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2yos don't need school.
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05.22.13, 12:50 AM
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05.22.13, 12:46 AM
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OP: I am worried that if I don't get him into a 2's there will be no chance at admission for the rest of preschool - is that not the case?
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05.22.13, 12:55 AM
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First how old is he now. When is his bday
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05.22.13, 12:54 AM
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He will be three in December.
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05.22.13, 01:07 AM
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Many schools have 3s openings but if you are planning on public I would try to get into a twos otherwise he will only have one year of preschool (he will likely skip 4s)
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05.22.13, 01:11 AM
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That is another concern, we would like private for him.
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05.22.13, 01:22 AM
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Many schools have openings for the 3s.
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05.22.13, 12:56 AM
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He turns 3 in early December - would be be eligible for those classes?
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05.22.13, 01:14 AM
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If they don't go to 2 yo school....they will probably never go.
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05.22.13, 01:32 AM
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I know it sounds ridiculous, but I've read so much propaganda on this site that I now don't know what is true and what is crazy mommy talk - but I don't want to fail my kid
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05.22.13, 01:57 AM
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Call parents league
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05.22.13, 12:50 AM
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Lots of good preschool alternatives on UES. Rhinelander, ELF at Gymtime. The Art Farm, Kidville.
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05.22.13, 12:55 AM
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Thanks!
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05.22.13, 02:15 AM
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Diller Quaile preschool music and art program. It is great for a 2 year old.
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05.22.13, 01:15 AM
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Thank you!
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05.22.13, 02:15 AM
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Park avenue Methodist has openings.
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05.22.13, 01:23 AM
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Thank you for the tip!
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05.22.13, 01:46 AM
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Depends on your neighborhood. I'm out of the preschool rut, but in retrospect, you know, it's just preschool. Scores matter much more.
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05.22.13, 01:34 AM
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That is wise to keep in perspective, thank you
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05.22.13, 02:03 AM
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International preschool on UES may still have openings. Try them. Else try parents league.
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05.22.13, 02:59 AM
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Join the Parents League -- http://parentsleague.org They know of all of the openings of the ISAAGNY member schools -- this is one of their main functions. Also, the 92Y has a preschool alternative for the 2s and 3s (I think a Dec birthday would be a 3s in this case. The whole 2s vs 3s is very confusing.) Rhinelander may have openings. Good luck!
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05.22.13, 03:40 AM
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^^ And all of that UES.
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Thank you!
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05.22.13, 12:36 AM
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ITA. This is one of my worst fears.
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05.22.13, 01:18 AM
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Eek, which post?
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05.22.13, 01:19 AM
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The whole thing was kind of depressing and sad, but really, I think expecting an adult dc to see you every single weekend is just not realistic. Once or twice a month is more fair. I also think if OP had been talking about her MIL, the responses from commenters would have been VERY different. There's total hypocrisy on this issue.
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05.22.13, 12:35 AM
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ITA with this. It's pathetic how much fun these men have and how much of this travel is not obligatory.
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05.22.13, 12:31 AM
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OP - really. Its absolutely appauling how they use this as a form of escapism. They act like college boys - drinking, staying out late, and acting like idiots. I feel bad for the lovely SAHM that I meet when they visit our office with two, three DC that I know they have to take care of while DH is dodging his responsiblity. I'm sorry, SAHM. I know you deserve better!!
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05.22.13, 12:40 AM
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You sound like the office bimbo!
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05.22.13, 12:36 AM
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And a little jealous of these sahm
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05.22.13, 12:42 AM
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OP - jealous? No, but thanks for playing.
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No, she's not jealous. She can't spell, but she's not jealous.
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05.22.13, 01:41 AM
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OP - what an intelligent response.
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let me guess - you are in your forties, middle class with 2-3 kids, overweight, and working in a "job" not a career. those are the only people that use the phrase "office bimbo". that or an old episode of "three's company". janet, is that you?
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OR: Don't forget the rampant cheating. I once spent an hour at a work dinner talking to a guy about our families, his 4 beautiful DC's, etc. At midnight, I got a phone call from him asking me if he could come to my room (I obviously said no!). The next day, I heard from another male colleague that he slept with a waitress in the hotel bar.
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05.22.13, 12:40 AM
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^^And I have this guy as a Facebook friend and he is the first one to make the sappiest comments about his wife.
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05.22.13, 12:42 AM
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Typical
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05.22.13, 01:36 AM
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eh. my dh has to travel. he hates it. not fun. and he wouldn't get sent if it weren't obligatory.
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05.22.13, 12:41 AM
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OP - good! glad its not the case for you!
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05.22.13, 12:42 AM
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Wohm don't have husbands who travel?
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OP - you are right, they do. I just feel bad for the SAHM because she has to be "on" for 24/7 while DH is away.
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np: A lot of high powered WOHMs' DHs have to scale back their career to accommodate the DW's work/travel.
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05.22.13, 12:44 AM
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OP - and your point is?
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My point is that many DHs who travel excessively for work *do* have SAHM wives
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OP - ah. Sorry I was not clear. Good point. It really does seem to help their career - perhaps they are all just really effectively managing their careers by doing the guys/guy bonding thing. Who knows? Just something I found to be a little disappointing to me personally.
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Fake, and trying to start something. Lol
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Stop gloating. Not every dh does this. You just need a reason to feel superior.
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I'm sorry - do you not know how to read? Ths is such a great example of how women turn on other women for absolutely no reason. This was simply an observation of like I said WITH ASTERIKS that *SOME* men do this. Why would I feel superior about someone elses childish and irresponsible beahvior? I feel like shit while I travel and miss my family. Simply an observation about *SOME* men.
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OP - could be. But to be honest I don't mind because he is not "opting out" of our lives together on a continuous basis as I mentioned with *SOME* DH. I think its fine to keep busy/be entertained. But by the crazy responses to my post, its obvious not all DW are in the same place in their relationships! Just mention SAHM or WOHM and the claws come out on a random observation - so pathetic!
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not my dh. it's very dreary. he texts, sends photos. a big yawn. believe me, there are no lap dances and he can't wait to get back and coach little league.
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OP - like i said....wait for it...... SOME
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Thanks so much for the very important and informative PSA.
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aw. isn't anyone asking you for a bj? must be sad to feel like the prissy fug dw on a business trip.
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05.22.13, 12:41 AM
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I sahm with a dh who travels a lot. I hope he is having fun considering how much he works!
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05.22.13, 12:36 AM
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ITA- I am sitting at a dinner on a trip and see this happening right in front of me. Disgusting
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05.22.13, 12:43 AM
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OP - exactly. I just left one of those dinners - I'm amazed how grown, successful men act like nineteen year olds at a frat party.
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05.22.13, 12:48 AM
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I used to travel a lot and it was mostly people pretending to have fun. Anyone who preferred that to being with their families had issues that had nothing to do with business travel.
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05.22.13, 12:43 AM
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OP - Good point.
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05.22.13, 12:48 AM
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used to see male coworker "work late", but he was in the office playing video games. His wife was at home with newborn.
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05.22.13, 12:43 AM
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i used to work with a guy who got called into his bosses office at 7pm everyday for an hour - just to chat. boss didnt want to go home. guy did nothing all day.
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05.22.13, 12:52 AM
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OP - seems like they sort of compartmentalize their life. Time for their family. Time for DW. And time for themselves which often happens on these trips. Perhaps it works for some - just something that surprised me as my job started to involve "heavy" travel.
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05.22.13, 12:55 AM
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True. I've stopped going to meetings. MD mom.
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05.22.13, 12:57 AM
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OP - why are these women freaking out about a simple truth about *SOME* men? Because I dared mention feeling sympathy for the women who I believe end up having to absorb the bulk of the workload in that scenario - the SAHM. Perhaps its misplaced and I should feel equally bad for the WOHM, but SAHM came to mind because of the men that were at the dinner tonight.
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05.22.13, 01:04 AM
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Honestly, I'm not even generous enough to say some. My experience has been all. I don't go any more.
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05.22.13, 01:14 AM
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OP - I've seen some men who genuinely seem to dislike being away and tend to phone home, go back to their room as soon as the "mandatory" events are over, and come in/depart based on the real work schedule. I wish I had the choice to "opt out" of travel but don't at this phase of my career.
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05.22.13, 01:19 AM
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Well, sadly I haven't.
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05.22.13, 01:17 AM
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It's not just guys. I used to work with a woman who was based in Chicago. Every time she came to NYC (6-10 times per year) we'd start a pool for who she'd try to sleep with, who she'd actually sleep with and what time/what night she'd first take off her shirt in public. This woman had a team, was a managing director at an IB, it was ridiculous.
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05.22.13, 01:03 AM
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OP - disgusting. How do these people stay employed? I, thankfully, have not seen that.
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05.22.13, 01:11 AM
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It was awful. My trips to Chicago (a city I love) were a minefield of ducking her invitations to get me over to Rush Street where I would "really experience Chicago"
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05.22.13, 01:18 AM
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Uck. Seriously. Ridiculous. I've heard about some office affairs in my company but thankfully don't know too much about that. I would never be able to look at my colleagues in the same way.
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05.22.13, 01:21 AM
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lol
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05.22.13, 01:26 AM
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OP hit a nerve. I'm sure this will get many denials. But she did.
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05.22.13, 01:44 AM
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Meh, whatever. I travel for work and I totally eat, drink, shop, have fun while I am away. I should deprive myself because my DH is with the kids? Think about how insane that sounds
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05.22.13, 02:00 AM
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Why just SAHM? WOHM's have DH's that travel as well.
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05.22.13, 02:17 AM
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I find it amazing, women manage to have great jobs with no travel. Men ( no matter how lowly the position) always "have" to travel
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05.22.13, 02:19 AM
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bull - my office is filled with women who travel (international media company)
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05.22.13, 02:28 AM
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Well I'm in the wrong biz then, I would love to "have" to travel for work!
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05.22.13, 02:30 AM
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OR - it is FANTASTIC - was in London last week, Miami and Vegas in June. Love it, but I also miss the kids, so wind up doing a lot of redeyes
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05.22.13, 02:30 AM
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05.22.13, 12:27 AM
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upper west
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05.22.13, 12:21 AM
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PS 452
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05.22.13, 12:27 AM
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lol!
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05.22.13, 12:38 AM
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Ita
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05.22.13, 12:33 AM
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np We have this choice and giving upper west a try. We'll switch to 199 if we hate it.
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05.22.13, 12:40 AM
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upper west success
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05.22.13, 12:38 AM
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I say support your local school which happens to be great from what I hear!
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05.22.13, 12:49 AM
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199
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05.22.13, 01:00 AM
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199 for sure.
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05.22.13, 01:00 AM
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5 year old in school from 7:30-4. Uh, yeah, sure, why not. The can always have a 2nd childhood..oh wait!
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05.22.13, 01:21 AM
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np We work f/t, so it's either afterschool till 6 or nanny share from 4 to 6.
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05.22.13, 03:17 AM
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Ok, we work F/T too. In after school, which starts at 3, my kids okay in the yard, do sports, dance, etc. They, you know, play, have down time, get to be kids!
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05.22.13, 03:23 AM
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i fear the intensity of the charter id go 199
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05.22.13, 03:34 AM
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05.22.13, 12:17 AM
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cheap ones--kids break stuff
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05.22.13, 12:13 AM
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and lose stuff
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05.22.13, 12:17 AM
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Got my 4 yrnold ds sunglasses at gap kids
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05.22.13, 12:17 AM
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^^^they are cute aviators
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05.22.13, 12:17 AM
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I buy them at CVS
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05.22.13, 12:34 AM
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Got my boys' ones at Gap Kids as well.
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05.22.13, 12:30 AM
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Carter's
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05.22.13, 12:32 AM
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My DD loved her Chanel shades
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05.22.13, 12:33 AM
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I'm sure it looked fab with her LV purse
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05.22.13, 12:36 AM
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Babiators
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05.22.13, 12:36 AM
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05.22.13, 12:16 AM
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Banana, Kashi cereal with skim milk, tuna salad, apple, green salad with grilled chicken.
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05.22.13, 12:18 AM
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Who eats? I just smoked perfumed cigarettes and drank martinis all day.
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05.22.13, 12:24 AM
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at least your honest
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05.22.13, 12:28 AM
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Chicken taco, grilled chkn, grilled asparagus, hummus with carrots, popcorn, coffee
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05.22.13, 12:25 AM
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chicken taco is bfst?
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05.22.13, 12:39 AM
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yum!
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05.22.13, 12:46 AM
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No I skipped bfast.
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05.22.13, 12:51 AM
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Breakfast: egg white omelette with cherry tomatoes and avacado snack: green juice lunch: grilled chicken breast/mustard snack: handful of nuts dinner: 2 stuffed peppers and glass of wine
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05.22.13, 12:27 AM
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1 Dannon yogurt, 1 apple, 1 nectarine, a few dried cherries, chicken barley soup, handful of oyster crackers (in soup), 4 pork dumplings, 1 stuffed grape leave, 1 cup of plain popcorn. A lot.
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05.22.13, 12:23 AM
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If that's a lot, I must be a competitive eater and not have realized it.
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05.22.13, 12:54 AM
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Haha. I realized I 'forgot' to mention the two chocolate chip cookies from earlier and the ice cream bar I'm about to eat.
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05.22.13, 01:04 AM
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A lot, egg whites on an English muffin, ham sandwich, big salad with balsamic vinegar and olive oil, 2 string cheeses, Greek yoghurt, apple, chicken breast, another big salad with arugula,tomatoes and balsamic vinegar/olive oil
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05.22.13, 12:24 AM
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Love all these ana replies. Cereal no milk, banan, cheese sandwich, pizza, cake. Water, OJ, wine x3
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05.22.13, 12:31 AM
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Blueberry muffin, iced coffee, banana, grilled chicken sandwich on a potato roll, mini twix, flounder with white rice and spinach, abotu to have a weight watchers toffee crunch ice cream bar.
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05.22.13, 12:28 AM
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Same as DCs, minestrone
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05.22.13, 12:35 AM
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raisin bran with milk, pita with peanut butter, mozz sandwich and salad, two cookies, bean burrito, no rice. pineapple. i am pregnant and vegetarian. is this ok?
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05.22.13, 12:38 AM
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I think it is fine - I am also a vegetarian and sometimes get into the trap of eating mostly protein and carbs. I think you should try to eat more vegetables unless the burrito, salad, and sandwich had lots of vegetables then I really think its fine.
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05.22.13, 12:59 AM
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thank you so much for responding - i was worried after i wrote it out that it looked pathetic. but the burrito had fresh tomato and avocado, the salad also tons of veggies - and i forgot to mention i had blueberries with bfast. anyway - thank you!
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05.22.13, 01:36 AM
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Protein shake, turkey breast and salad for lunch, snack of choc ice cream, and bac cheddar burger with a few shared fries for dinner! Yum!
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05.22.13, 12:32 AM
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A banana. Curried lentils over rice. A handful of baby carrots. Salad and vegetarian enchiladas. More tea than is probably good for me.
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05.22.13, 12:39 AM
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3 chickpeas and a lemon water
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05.22.13, 12:42 AM
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05.22.13, 12:46 AM
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Today was my splurge day, normally I'm more controlled
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05.22.13, 12:54 AM
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Blueberry and almond smoothie, salmon and quinoa, Spanish meatballs with riced cauliflower.
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05.22.13, 12:37 AM
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1 G&T, a handful of peeled grapes
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05.22.13, 12:41 AM
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Bagel with egg and cheese; small portion of beans and rice; a few slices of deli turkey; apple; medium portion of chicken, rice and broccoli; big bowl of Capt crunch w skim. Oh, lots and lots of coffee w skim milk in the morning.
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05.22.13, 12:43 AM
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Green juice, green curry, brownie, dal, subzi, and a roti. Shouldn't have had that brownie - whoops.
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05.22.13, 12:55 AM
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tuna, leftover corn pasta, zucchini, a banana, a few grapes, mansoor dal, two cookies
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05.22.13, 12:53 AM
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Isn't there an Ana board you can hang at? Who cares what others eat?
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05.22.13, 01:01 AM
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2 hardboiled eggs, 1/2 of a turkey and cheese sandwich, Greek yogurt, peanut butter sandwich, cantaloupe. Plenty of coffee, 1 Diet Pepsi, and a couple glasses of water.
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05.22.13, 01:12 AM
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Do you people really eat this perfectly all of the time? Do you ever slip up and eat half a bag of pirate's booty like I did tonight?
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05.22.13, 01:19 AM
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like a bag of booty is so bad for you? come on - try doritos or bugles or salt/vinegar!
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05.22.13, 01:38 AM
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I also ate a small bag of pop chips with my chicken salad sandwich at lunch. Actually, in general I eat about 30% more than the responders here.
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05.22.13, 01:35 AM
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No, you just tell the truth.
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05.22.13, 02:43 AM
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All Bran, banana, a ton of tea, turkey/cheese sandwich, about 4 servings of potato chips, ice cream cone, 2 small bean burritos, 1 beer. Do not feel so lovely.
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05.22.13, 01:21 AM
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a lot.
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05.22.13, 01:28 AM
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Bread cheese two glasses of wine fruit
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05.22.13, 01:34 AM
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Plain oatmeal, whole wheat pasta in a lemon vinaigrette, vegetable green curry, Shake Shack custard. In hindsight this was not the most well-rounded day for me.
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05.22.13, 01:49 AM
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Breakfast: French toast, sausage, melon, OJ Snack: apple, pistachios Lunch: chocolate bar and roasted cauliflower Snack: pretzels Dinner: shrimp, brown rice with quinoa, roasted cauliflower, strawberry lavender honey ice cream cone, chocolate cookies. Drank water all day. Breastfeeding and the baby is teething, so didn't get to cook much today.
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05.22.13, 01:49 AM
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Hey, OP. Why do you ask? Why do you care what strangers eat?
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05.22.13, 02:42 AM
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05.22.13, 12:14 AM
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No big deal. Everyone is sick now
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05.22.13, 12:15 AM
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Don't let your kids get near her. Don't go near her yourself. There's some lousy upper-respiratory stuff going around. Two rounds of antibiotics later, I'm finally over mine. Coughing rugrats, keep your distance!
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05.22.13, 12:22 AM
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I don't just think it's odd, I think that your friend is a cheap (fill in the blank).
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05.22.13, 12:23 AM
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Has the child been going to school?
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05.22.13, 12:21 AM
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No, as per my friend she has been sleeping for much of most of the days. And fever has been up to 103 at times.
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05.22.13, 12:24 AM
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Is she a sahm that is not inconvenienced by her DD being home? I would be worried!! Stay away from her kid in case it's something contagious!!
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05.22.13, 12:27 AM
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I think now that the cough is worsening I would want the dr to see my kid but my dd often gets low grade bugs and they linger and it is clear she is sick but not SICK SICK, you know? Maybe this is her kid's style.
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05.22.13, 12:29 AM
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She knows her kid better than you do.
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05.22.13, 12:25 AM
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Tell her to take DC in - could be Kawasaki disease which has been going around lately. My child was recently hospitalized for this. Kawasaki Disease is pretty serious, could result in major heart problems later, and needs to be taken care of before day 10!
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05.22.13, 12:36 AM
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Thank you!!! Her DD also has had a bloody nose for the past few nights, could this be part of it?
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05.22.13, 12:39 AM
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Jesus H. Christ. My pediatrician says take them in 3 days after a fever starts. Bloody nose on top of all this?! Tell her you'll pay the deductible yourself. Poor kid!
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05.22.13, 01:12 AM
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np: my dc also had Kawasaki disease years ago. I think it's very hard to miss it if your friend's dd has it. High fever, bright red tongue, swollen lips, swollen hands and feet, rash, and they get extremely cranky. I am sure symptoms may be slightly different but I think it's impossible to ignore the signs. My dc did not have a bloody nose at all.
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05.22.13, 01:07 AM
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^^^ also, no cough at all.
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05.22.13, 01:14 AM
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Does the child have allergies. Will prob need a bronchial dilator to help get rid of the cough
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05.22.13, 12:32 AM
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No allergies.
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05.22.13, 12:34 AM
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I had a fever over 99.0 (which for me is a fever) for 4 days. Then coughing started. Ended up in hospital for 4 days with pneumonia. Tell her to wait no longer. Or it could get worse.
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05.22.13, 12:35 AM
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I don't know what to do. I already told her I was worries that her dd could have pneumonia. How pushy can I be?
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05.22.13, 12:39 AM
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Shame her by offering to pay the co-pay.
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05.22.13, 12:53 AM
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I almost did. I might. She said it bothers her to pay $25 to talk to the md for just a few minutes.
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05.22.13, 12:58 AM
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Our doctor would be concerned with a fever that lasted longer than 5 days. Can your friend not afford the co-pay?
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05.22.13, 12:52 AM
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Copayment. Lol.
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