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05.20.13, 01:48 AM
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I used to teach in the building. Great community inJREC, however the academics at Ella are not top notch. I know several kids who have gone on to great middle/high schools but the parents supplemented.
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05.20.13, 02:17 AM
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05.20.13, 01:11 AM
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Hard to imaginehow a mandell student would even know anything about collegiate.
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05.20.13, 01:16 AM
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This sounds odd and inappropriate.
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05.20.13, 01:18 AM
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This is true. My DH was mortified. Student speaker went to collegiate. Said he hated the lack of diversity and community service. Don't you think it's time we stop being called pot stirrers and trolls and start being called truth tellers?
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05.20.13, 01:15 AM
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Seems like you are stirring the pot. Mandell parent here and, yes, there was a speaker at the auction - the son of the Head of School (or CEO as she refers to herself!) - who completely bashed his former school - Collegiate. It was quite unbelievable. A real turn-off. If I were a Collegiate parent or administrator, I would insist on an apology!
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05.20.13, 01:21 AM
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Totally disgusting that GR's striving and scheming has spread to her children. Although, it was quite obviously a speech written by her and not her son.
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05.20.13, 01:18 AM
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Wow. Just wow. The stories I could tell about GR and Mandell. Avoid it at all costs.
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05.20.13, 02:23 AM
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Sounds like his mom wrote his speech for him. So he went there for lower school and that's it? And at that age we are supposed to believe that he noticed things like diversity and community service. Please.
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05.20.13, 01:20 AM
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what was said?
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05.20.13, 01:28 AM
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I think Collegiate should offer a spot to every boy enrolled at Mandell. Then GR could see what her parents think of her vs. a real school.
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05.20.13, 01:28 AM
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lol at insisting on an apology if the guy already graduated.
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05.20.13, 02:24 AM
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It's amazing how low this family will stoop in order to sound relevant. Neither collegiate nor any other school would give enough of a shit to talk about mandell
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05.20.13, 01:28 AM
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Oh give me a break! That wouldn't happen at a school benefit. Troll, what did the kid say?
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05.20.13, 01:36 AM
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NP. The more relevant question is, why doesn't collegiate value diversity or community service?
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05.20.13, 02:06 AM
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Who, aside from GR, says they don't? Give me a break.
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05.20.13, 02:13 AM
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Yea this IS the type of thing that should NEVER happen but it did. Ask anyone who was there. And read above and below your comment to find out what was said.
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05.20.13, 02:10 AM
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Where does GR's son go to school now? I thought it was k-12? He would have been an 8 th grader this year. Is he going to Stuy ?
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05.20.13, 02:22 AM
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I wonder if this will have an impact on 9th grade admissions from M. Students doing this might prevent other students from getting into tt schools, no?
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05.20.13, 03:50 AM
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05.19.13, 09:10 PM
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Often
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05.19.13, 09:13 PM
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Stories, please....
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05.19.13, 09:18 PM
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Many don't apply. It's too weird.
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05.19.13, 09:08 PM
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np At my kid's school most faculty members with kids seem to send them to the school. Can only think of one exception.
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05.19.13, 09:16 PM
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Maybe it depends on the school. At the school I worked at no one did it. Maybe it depends on the administration.
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05.19.13, 09:18 PM
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Too weird to be rejected? Or too weird to have the kid there? Do they usually send to another private then?
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05.19.13, 09:18 PM
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Too weird to be a teacher and a parent at the school. Also even with FA it is often financially impossible.
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05.19.13, 09:23 PM
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And they usually do public.
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05.19.13, 09:23 PM
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at every private school I know of, faculty kids definitely attend - they get a significant discount
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05.20.13, 01:07 AM
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It depends on the cost-- many can't afford it and some don't give much of a discount
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05.19.13, 09:30 PM
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I know of one case at Calhoun.
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05.19.13, 09:44 PM
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05.19.13, 08:16 PM
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my dd is in 8th grade at esms, we got there on an appeal.
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05.19.13, 08:16 PM
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Where did dc get accepted?
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05.19.13, 08:45 PM
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a school with a principal that I knew. I rather not mention it. it is a good school but I wanted esms and glad it worked out.
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05.19.13, 08:50 PM
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Ease up. This is a school for your child, not for you.
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05.19.13, 08:49 PM
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horrible advice. appeals work.
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05.19.13, 09:13 PM
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Sorry. I mean ease up on the language. OP sounds like she wants admission to ESMS for herself.
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05.19.13, 10:22 PM
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yes
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05.19.13, 08:56 PM
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you probably don't want to say, but where did your child get assigned?
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05.19.13, 08:57 PM
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You may have better luck in September. The schools get money based on how many kids are enrolled, sometimes early in the year you can appeal directly to the principal at the school (make sure that your current principal will have good things to say if there's a phone call.)
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05.19.13, 09:09 PM
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Every year a couple of DC from our gen ed get into ESM on appeal. I am sure that some of them had gotten their 2nd choice b/c they only ranked ESM and Wagner SP.
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05.19.13, 09:16 PM
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05.19.13, 06:53 PM
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Depends, what kinds of grades does your DC have? How good is their PS?
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05.19.13, 06:57 PM
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Why not Chapin/Spence?
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05.19.13, 07:13 PM
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Depends on the type of diversity. If you are 100% african american, you are very visibly diverse and that confers a huge advantage. Other types of diversity not so much
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05.19.13, 07:08 PM
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Sooooooooo easy to get into HM this year for 6th grade in September.
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05.19.13, 07:25 PM
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Yeah, right. Hadn't heard this ever and probably won't hear it again. It's the biggest entry point in the school - 55 seats - but it is an extreme hard spot to get, but it is your best chance.
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05.19.13, 09:11 PM
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For the top students it's very easy to get into HM because of the number of openings. They are known to be a "score" school and will accept almost students with top grades and scores.
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05.20.13, 12:53 AM
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If your dc is truly a top student at public school, s/he will get a spot at a school like this. If your dc is not a great student, not much else will help. At that age it is about the child's intelligence, scores, and skills/school record. They are looking for the kids who will get into top colleges.
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05.19.13, 07:38 PM
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May i ask, what is your son's iq?
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05.19.13, 07:34 PM
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I have no idea. DC was admitted in K, when it is a different story because 4yos don't have established track records to look at. OP was asking about middle school admissions. -OR
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05.19.13, 07:46 PM
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You can't say this with certainly. It's a disservice to the poster to write this.
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05.19.13, 08:13 PM
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They are the top school in the city and they each take, on average 2-3 kids from public schools for 6th grade. Do you think the poster's kid has a hope in hell if s/he is not a stellar student? Getting in for 6th is like winning the lottery, 7th grade is an entrance year for prep for prep, IME, not for anyone else.
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05.20.13, 12:23 AM
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HM takes 55 new kids for 6th.
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05.20.13, 12:55 AM
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You can't say with certainty that the poster's child will be admitted.
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05.20.13, 02:36 AM
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ISEE or SSAT scores will be a factor. 7th grade admissions often includes kids from Prep for Prep program, so there might not be many other spots.
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05.19.13, 07:39 PM
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Depends on each school's admissions. HM and Brearley usually have a number of openings for 6th and 7th, Dalton accepts a handful of new kids in 6th and won't even accept a 7th grade application, SA depends on attrition and will hold the application until they know about openings, Trinity may have no openings or just a few for 6th or 7th. HM has the best odds since they take around 40 new kids for 6th and maybe 20 for 7th. All the above schools want good students and connections are not that important.
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05.20.13, 12:31 AM
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05.19.13, 05:26 PM
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BS= Boarding School
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05.19.13, 05:29 PM
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Because self-absorbed parents in NYC and SF can't raise their children on their own
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05.19.13, 05:29 PM
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Jealous?
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05.19.13, 05:37 PM
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Oui, Madamoiselle
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05.19.13, 05:40 PM
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Too funny--is this just the standard response these days when you don't agree?
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05.19.13, 06:07 PM
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In this case, it is most likely jealousy. Because a secure/unjealous person would know that there are plenty of reasons your child might want to board other than "their parents are "self-absorbed" and "can't raise their children on their own." My kid doesn't board but even I know that.
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05.19.13, 06:29 PM
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NP-Like? Unless you don't have any good school options I don't see a good reason to send your child off to be raised by others.
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05.19.13, 06:35 PM
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Again, this a culture bias. Some people come from a culture of boarding schools, and demeaning them is a lot like them being dismissive of your "child raising" or what they might conceive of as "over-protective" and "controlling." Remember, there are some cultures in which sending kids away to college is regarded as barbaric and family-fracturing." Would you be so nasty about those cultural difference? Also, in our public middle, several kids opted to go away to boarding school and every single one of was a superb athlete and scholar who BEGGED their parents to let them go. It was hard for their parents (one is my bff), but their kids made good arguments, and in one case, got herself a fabulous scholarship. All I am say9ing is that this is nuanced discussion. At least the sophisticated among us think so....
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05.19.13, 06:51 PM
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^^of course I mean kids opted to board in 9th or 10th grade, not during middle school
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05.19.13, 06:52 PM
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Your kids will get tired of living in a trailer. Give them a chance to get out.
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05.19.13, 07:58 PM
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Lol. I know this about NY, but wasn't aware of SF.
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05.19.13, 06:06 PM
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ITA. They hire someone to raise their kids until they are old enough to send them away for most of the year. I wonder why some people even have kids.
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05.19.13, 06:21 PM
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Lower-class background, right?
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05.19.13, 06:30 PM
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Because some parents in NYC and SF want their children to get a good education at boarding school.
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05.19.13, 05:37 PM
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But why not Dearborn or Des Moines?
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05.19.13, 05:41 PM
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I don't know why there are not more students from these places. Perhaps you should start a new post.
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05.19.13, 06:06 PM
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But what about parents in other places? Why so many more in SF and NYC?
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05.19.13, 05:44 PM
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$$$$
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05.19.13, 06:07 PM
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I can't speak about SF but I was shocked at how many parents in NYC are willing to send their young children away on sleep away camps and travel so much for school
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05.19.13, 05:45 PM
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You are not from the east coast. Here, especially among us jews with european heritage, it's common to send your kid at 8 or 9 o 10 to a few weeks of sleepaway camp. We find it helps them gain a sense of independence and nurture their relationship to other kids and nature. But I understand it is likely not familiar to you
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05.19.13, 06:30 PM
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A big part of it is disposable income. Parents with kids in NYC and SF are likely making higher salaries and can afford the 40k+ tuition that these schools charge. If you go to the midwest, there might be some good jobs but the pay scales are lower because COL is so much lower. In addition, these cities draw the liberal, educated types that are likely to find value in prestigious educations.
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05.19.13, 05:46 PM
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Which school? NYC I can understand--wanting the kid to experience the outdoors. SF publics not good, lots of money there...not sure why else. Maybe parents want to expose them to east coast striver culture?
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05.19.13, 05:53 PM
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DS is at Deerfield and I've noticed the exact same thing.
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05.19.13, 05:55 PM
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Because people from this cities have a different perspective of education and family.
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05.19.13, 05:50 PM
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Lots of money in those cities. Private schools are already 40,000 grand in those cities, so not much more to sent away for boarding school.
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05.19.13, 05:58 PM
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Obviously, because that is where there is a lot of money.
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05.19.13, 06:09 PM
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Deerfield? Maybe the school doesn't value or promote geographical diversity enough. There are kids from 20 states and 45 countries at my child's boarding school.
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05.19.13, 07:44 PM
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Why do you?
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05.19.13, 09:45 PM
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05.19.13, 05:14 PM
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Brearley, Spence, Chapin, Nightingale, CSH, MM, Hewitt.
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05.19.13, 05:16 PM
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i would rank: B, C, S, N, MM, CSH, H
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05.19.13, 05:16 PM
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np- Spence is before Chapin.
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05.19.13, 05:19 PM
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not in my evaluation.
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05.19.13, 05:20 PM
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Spence has better exmissions.
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05.19.13, 05:21 PM
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does it? how many girls in the senior class this year? also, think with such small sample sizes, much exmissions has to do with connections, legacy status, etc. so hard to evaluate year to year.
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05.19.13, 05:29 PM
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Similar size to Chapin. Better exmissions.
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05.19.13, 05:40 PM
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No it doesn't. If anything Chapins is slightly better. But it's splitting hairs - both have great exmissins
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05.20.13, 12:08 AM
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np THIS
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05.19.13, 05:18 PM
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Agree.
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05.19.13, 08:05 PM
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Spence, MM,CSh, Chapin, friends, Hewitt, nightingale, Brearley
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05.19.13, 05:17 PM
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thanks for playing;)
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05.19.13, 05:17 PM
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Hewitt, MM, CSH, NB, Chapin, Spence, Brearley
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05.19.13, 05:45 PM
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This is a reverse order.
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05.19.13, 08:06 PM
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Brearley, Hewitt, Nightingale, Spence, Chapin, CSH, Marymount
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05.20.13, 12:01 AM
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Is csh basically neck to neck with mm?
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05.19.13, 05:48 PM
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Debatable. CSH used to be way above, but MM has improved tons over the last few years.
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05.19.13, 06:01 PM
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So seems like both are solid 2nd tier, correct?
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05.19.13, 06:00 PM
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IMO, yes, but some would argue MM is 3rd.
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05.19.13, 06:12 PM
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CSH is neck to neck with NBS.
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05.19.13, 08:13 PM
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For high school, Spence is very challenging. My child's K-8 school only recommends the very top girls apply. They recommend Chapin for more.
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05.19.13, 07:46 PM
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Nightingale, Spence, Chapin, CSH, Brearley, Hewitt, Marymount
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05.19.13, 11:58 PM
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Spence, Chapin, CSH, Brearley, Nightingale, Hewitt, Marymount
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05.20.13, 12:04 AM
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Chapin, Chapin, Nightingale, CSH, Brearley, Hewitt, Marymount
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05.20.13, 12:05 AM
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CSH, Brearley, Chapin, Spence, Hewitt, Marymount
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Brearley, Hewitt, Nightingale, Spence, Chapin, CSH, Marymount
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05.19.13, 02:14 PM
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No but have thought about it and decided it was a bad idea for us
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05.19.13, 02:17 PM
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We bought a tiny apt in a good school zone--we're stuffed in here and just got waitlisted for k:(
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05.19.13, 02:26 PM
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what school? did you register by march deadline or after? will wl move?
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05.19.13, 02:28 PM
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In brooklyn--registered before deadline, I'm sure it will move but don't know if it will be enough
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05.19.13, 05:28 PM
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is this for ps 321? do you know what number you are on waitlist, or how many are on wait list?
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05.20.13, 01:16 AM
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ugh. that stinks. we did the same thing a few years ago and got lucky. gl.
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05.19.13, 02:58 PM
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We rented in a good school zone until both DBS were in school. Now moving out of zone. Worth it for us
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05.19.13, 02:33 PM
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which school was worth it?
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05.20.13, 01:17 AM
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We did. We see it as a necessary sacrifice. Yes, our apartment is too small in some ways but the school is great so worth it for us. We bought, btw.
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05.19.13, 02:57 PM
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which school is great?
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05.20.13, 01:17 AM
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we live in good school zone, and there are many families with 2 kids in jr 4 where dining area was converted to bedroom.
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05.19.13, 05:41 PM
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which school? how can kids sleep right between kitchen and LR, isn't it small and noisy?
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05.19.13, 02:03 PM
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Hijack : anyone going to PPAS for middle school ?
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05.19.13, 02:06 PM
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No but dd is in her last year at eastside middle. We know some kids that go to Wagner.
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05.19.13, 02:19 PM
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anytime I talk to someone in real life, they rave about Wagner. On UB, not so much.
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05.19.13, 03:14 PM
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Typical UB parents don't represent reality. My dc has performed with his Orchestra an assembly at for Wagner for the students which I also attended, and I found the school and the children to be quite pleasant and well behaved. Nothing like what I expected based on the talk about this school from UB posters.
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05.19.13, 03:44 PM
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I've had to educators (one involved with Hunter) say send your child to Wagner if you can. But, I'm pretty sure they mean the SP Program.
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05.19.13, 04:00 PM
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05.19.13, 04:00 PM
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05.19.13, 01:42 PM
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Cash or Amex gift card
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05.19.13, 01:44 PM
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LMAO!! Seriously.
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05.19.13, 02:05 PM
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LMAO!! Seriously.
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05.19.13, 02:05 PM
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I didn't mean to post this on the thank you note. There are some neat teacher gift ideas on Pinterest. Something cute like that with a Starbucks or Bath & Body Works gift cert or something like that is nice. Cash or AMEX card is VERY impersonal, and I really don't think appropriate to give a teacher. They are not your hired help.
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05.19.13, 02:06 PM
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That is what I did when my kids left preschool.
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05.19.13, 02:28 PM
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A nice thank you note is fine.
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05.19.13, 01:50 PM
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This!
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05.19.13, 10:19 PM
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So is a letter to the ps director commending the teacher.
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05.19.13, 10:20 PM
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Most Preschool teachers make very little--I think if you can afford it, it's nice to give a gift card. We give either Am-ex or things like Amazon gift cards.
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05.19.13, 02:28 PM
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...and if you can't afford it, its ok. A thoughtful note where you actually thank them for specific things that were meaningful for your child or family, that you learned from or with them, etc. I know many teachers (my mom and quite a few friends) and while of course they enjoy generous gifts, they really do love the kids they work with and appreciate a genuine note of thanks.
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05.19.13, 09:04 PM
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Ok but most moms on this board CAN afford it!
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05.19.13, 09:38 PM
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05.18.13, 08:16 PM
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Why do u ask?
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05.18.13, 08:13 PM
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DD is in fifth grade at one of the above schools. I know that over the past few years it's been getting more and more popular to go to boarding school, I was just wondering if any moms could say how many eighth grade girls would be going to BS next year/ How many went in their DDs grade when they were in eighth grade.
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05.18.13, 08:22 PM
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At least fourteen girls are leaving Spence, most for BS and a few for coeds in the city.
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05.18.13, 08:52 PM
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It is common for girls to want to get away from an all girls' school for high school. Brearley is a great school, but teenage girls like boys. Twas ever thus.
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05.18.13, 08:52 PM
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Do a lot of girls leave Brearley as well?
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05.18.13, 09:25 PM
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I'll add that it is great for the girls who go to be somewhere new and it is even better for the girls who stay to have fresh faces in the grade. It all gets kind of tired after nine years with the same 50 girls. -signed TT SS grad.
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05.19.13, 03:55 AM
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I ca n imagine. I am already tired of the preschool parents for only 2 years.
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05.19.13, 11:01 AM
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05.18.13, 03:17 PM
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"middle" lab? come on.
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05.18.13, 03:18 PM
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Isn't it Lab Middle School? So I interchanged the words. Do you know about the bus?
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05.18.13, 03:22 PM
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it is commonly referred to as "LAB". Your child can take whatever mode of transpo to and from - does not have to be the same both ways. Many students stay after school
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05.18.13, 03:31 PM
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but if they stay - they will need to transport via public.
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05.18.13, 03:32 PM
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Okay thanks. But do you know any children that commute from the UES and take a private bus instead of public to make the commute a little easier?
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05.18.13, 03:34 PM
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I mean for regular morning time and going home (if they don't stay for afterschool).
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05.18.13, 03:35 PM
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I mean for regular morning time and going home (if they don't stay for afterschool).
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05.18.13, 03:35 PM
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NP: I realize you think a school bus is easier for commute - but it doesn't end up that way. It takes forever!!! A citybus is just as safe - hard to believe but your middle school child will most likely take subway by 7th grade anyway. The E might work depending on where you live.
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05.18.13, 03:31 PM
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ok thanks. dc in 4th grade so i'm a little ahead but all these middle school posts have me interested.
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05.18.13, 03:33 PM
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Some take the F from 63rd/Lex to 14th/6th and walk, or the 4/5/6/ to Union Sq. to the L.
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05.18.13, 08:22 PM
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They provide some busing for 6th grade students, but there has to be critical mass of kids in a certain area in order to get it. The school bus is probably slower than public transportation. My 6th grader has taken the subway there since day one. I went with him for a few weeks, and then he went by himself. He often commutes with friends part of the way since everyone is traveling at the same time.
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05.18.13, 03:52 PM
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I think the bus is door-to-door; a DC in my building in on the UES used it.
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05.18.13, 08:11 PM
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Why do you want Lab if you live on UES?
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05.19.13, 02:58 PM
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NP: A good number of UES families put Lab 2nd b/c they like it better than Wagner SP.
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05.19.13, 09:18 PM
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