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[ - ] When will results of college admissions come out ? 27 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.21.13, 12:35 AM Flag
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Colleges notify in April. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:30 AM Flag
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my daughter got into UVA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:33 AM Flag
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lol [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:34 AM Flag
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Congrats! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:34 AM Flag
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Thanks. Best public school bargain - $12k is pretty good [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:36 AM Flag
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No shame in that. I went to FSU for my undergrad and escaped with very low student debt. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:38 AM Flag
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You rock. Nowadays kids need to live in a van in a Walmart parking lot to get away without a ton of debt [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:40 AM Flag
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I'm in va and its $20k in state. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:55 AM Flag
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http://www.virginia.edu/Facts/Glance_Tuition.html [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:56 AM Flag
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Ok $23-24k. What's the big deal. It's certainly not $12k. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 01:07 AM Flag
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it was $4500 all in when i went. out of state. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.23.13, 12:02 AM Flag
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that's awesome. It's a great school. I went to Michigan but I always regretted not going to UVA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 01:56 AM Flag
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it was not all that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.23.13, 12:02 AM Flag
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Congrats! Wish I could say the same in a few years. Q, it seemed more like a private school (atmosphere and size). Did DD want that or did DD want a big school? My DD wants a big school after being with the same kids in a private. We think UVA would be the perfect balance where it's big enough for DD and has academics good enough for DH and I love the environment/vibe/campus. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:58 PM Flag
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Most schools have already passed the date by which you have to accept their offer of admission. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:31 AM Flag
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They already have. Some kids still on waitlists, but not likely to move much. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:37 AM Flag
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Students were notified by 4/15 (many earlier), had till 5/1 to accept. Some schools go to the waitlist, but there will not be much movement from now on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:39 AM Flag
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Did any NYC private school publish the acceptances of 2013? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:38 AM Flag
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Spence did extremely well this year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 01:06 AM Flag
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45% went to Ivys [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 01:31 AM Flag
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Yep- Spence Mom [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 01:51 AM Flag
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As a number that's impressive, but the graduating class is only 45 girls. Factoring in connections and diversity, that really should be the standard number at a school with a very small graduating class. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 02:45 AM Flag
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Have you factored in the fact that most NY schools are filled with legacies? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:22 AM Flag
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np 1.1 million kids are not mostly legacies of ivy league schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:42 AM Flag
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according to your logic, Hunter is not that impressive either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:25 AM Flag
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they did well last year too? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 02:01 AM Flag
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they did well last year too? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 02:01 AM Flag
[ - ] If you were offered a place in the HM nursery division, would you take it if you planned to apply DC to other schools for K? DH is an alumni of HM and we've been thinking about sending DD to HM nursery division (it's really close to our apartment and we have a pretty good shot at DD getting in), but we would like to apply to SS schools for K. Would we have a good shot at getting in anywhere good since most children end up staying for K, there isn't really a DOE, so I imagine we'd just be doing it on our own? Should we try to send DD somewhere else (we're unconnected everywhere else, so I don't think our chances would be very good.) WWYD? Anyone BTDT? 22 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 11:31 PM Flag
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Do it - could be a year that brings into focus what might be best for DC [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:26 PM Flag
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alumnus [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:32 PM Flag
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+1. Alumni is plural. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:57 PM Flag
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Oh, what CLASSICAL SCHOLARS!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:21 AM Flag
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I am not an HM hater, but their Nursery is really a weak link. NOT a great program. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:33 PM Flag
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It's hard getting in anywhere in my opinion... if you take the nursery spot then you probably have an option of staying if you like the school, and can apply outside as well, unless they frown upon that. You do need good school reports from teachers etc.. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:29 PM Flag
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Why do you think it a weak link. For my experience (4 or 5 friends kids there), the parents all love it. Ad it's NURSERY - you learn to play nice, say your name, and about airplanes! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:40 PM Flag
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Yeah, I was wondering how a nursery "program" could be weak. At what age at NYC kids supposed no start performing anyway. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:58 PM Flag
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HM Nursery is much improved with new director from a few years ago. Parents seem very happy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:42 PM Flag
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I would just work your HM connection as much as you can and go there. Why put your hopes in schools you have no connection to? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:01 AM Flag
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No. I'd apply elsewhere for nursery and then put Horace Mann in the mix for k applications. So you can compare it and have a psd. Problem is, if k's know dh is an alum there they might be hesitant to take dc for fear dc will just go there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:14 AM Flag
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They would have to FC other school to show them they are serious [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 01:48 AM Flag
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HM is amazing school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 01:48 AM Flag
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a great school, no doubt [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 02:11 AM Flag
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Please don't be confident tat you will get a spot at HM. They reject a lot of legacies. If you want to keep your options open apply to several nursery schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 02:44 AM Flag
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Agree. I know many legacies who were rejected/waitlisted for the nursery, including legacies who were involved with the school. Don't assume you'd get in as MANY legacies don't for the preschool. However, if you apply for the 3s, then Pre-K, then K, you are in a much better position for K admissions, as they know you were really interested and as a legacy that helps that you keep applying. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:42 PM Flag
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+2 BTDT HM Alum. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:54 PM Flag
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If you really want to have DD go elsewhere, I wouldn't bother. It's 42K which isn't worth spending if you don't plan on staying. The whole point is to observe the who K madness, so why apply if you don't think you would stay? There are so many alumni (and non-legacies) who would love that spot for their child and do plan to stay. And don't count on having a "pretty good shot" of getting in just because DH is an alumni. You have a much better shot than the general pool, but there are way too many legacies and siblings for the number of spots they have.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:39 PM Flag
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I know 2 legacies with highly educated parents who were asked not to return after K. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 10:25 PM Flag
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Why? I assume there was some issue with the child? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 01:59 AM Flag
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The kids could not keep up academically. HM is the most strict and demanding starting in K. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 08:32 PM Flag
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I don't think it makes sense to attend a nursery at an ongoing shcool if you don't at least plan to stay there. Applying out will be harder as you won't get any help AND you will have to work to convince shcools that you really plan on leaving and as a legacy at that school, that will already be harder to convinve them of. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 08:40 PM Flag
[ - ] How do you rank Carroll Garden schools: 29, 32 and 58? Is 58 the best? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 11:17 PM Flag
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I know many people who use 29 and love it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:17 PM Flag
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I'd go with 29, too [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:23 PM Flag
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tritto, but the zone is very small. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:30 PM Flag
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Not much inventory out there now. PS 58 is great. Not familiar with 32. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:27 PM Flag
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29 is probably most desirable but 58 is good. both are getting overcrowded. 32 is up and coming at best, most UMC will not use it but for G&T but that may change soon [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:31 PM Flag
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29 and 58 are both good, 29 zone is smaller and it is really hard to find places in zone right now and they are expensive as a result. 32 is improving a lot [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:31 PM Flag
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I agree with other, 29 and 58 are both good. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:52 PM Flag
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dual-language french program at 58 is probably the best thing in the neighborhood, but no guarantee of getting in. both 29 and 58 good schools, but 58 getting v crowded. 32 up and coming, which can have its advantages. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:32 PM Flag
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I know people from outside the zone who got into PS 261 and were very happy there; the Chidren's School is another option, but lottery only, not zoned. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 02:47 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone from LL get into NEST or Anderson? We were rejected. 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 10:34 PM Flag
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It is going to be a tough year for NEST the current 5th grade class is very large. Same with the current 3rd grade class - leaves less room for MS entrants - I suppose you could sue - seems to be all the rage. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 10:55 PM Flag
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Yes, tough this year. NEST had 47 seats but 1200 applicants. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:26 PM Flag
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Heard of one Anderson accept from LL. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:16 PM Flag
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where will dc go instead? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:04 AM Flag
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Salk!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 11:22 AM Flag
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congrats! great school! hope to join you there next year! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 01:56 PM Flag
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Nice! DD had a great 3 years there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 01:59 PM Flag
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NP: We'll see you @ Salk, very excited. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 02:25 PM Flag
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I heard Anderson had 14 spots avail for middle school! That's so few [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:20 AM Flag
[ - ] Did I miss the G&T lawsuit conversations here? 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 09:33 PM Flag
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I think I missed them too, so I'll join yours. I feel like it's just going to take forever to get placements, and wait lists everywhere are going to take longer to settle out. I feel like I won't know where DS is going for K for sure until the first day of school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:52 PM Flag
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so do they have to stop working on placements until this is "resolved"? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 10:00 PM Flag
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OP: I know. I wish they'd filed this lawsuit a while back. I actually agree with it, but it's difficult to imagine how things will be worked out in time for school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 10:04 PM Flag
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The lawsuit is ridiculous and I predict that the judge throws it out on 6/7 and we get our placements during the week of 6/21, as scheduled. Just a nuisance. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 10:27 PM Flag
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np: i know that the process is unfair and it sucked especially this year, but a lawsuit is ridiculous. especially when you read about the parent - how his kid got a perfect 99 (highest scores on both tests) and thinks its unfair that DC doesnt get first choice. i dont disagree with the statement, but to hold up the entire process is ridiculous. especially when the parent is a math professor and should know that statistically, a perfect 99 is not significantly different from a "regular" 99 or even a 97 kid. ugh! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 01:56 PM Flag
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lawyer here; I agree with this prediction. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:42 PM Flag
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what are the parents suing for? What did DOE violate from a legal perspective? To me, DOE set up their own rule and one can join the game on a voluntary basis. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 02:58 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone knows about nest+m waiting list? How long is it? Does it move? 11 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 08:20 PM Flag
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They don't keep a waiting list for elementary. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:39 PM Flag
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Sorry, I mean middle school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 10:14 PM Flag
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I have no dog in this hunt, so really just curious. What do they do if a spot opens up? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 01:27 AM Flag
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For elementary, they fill from summer testers [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 04:05 AM Flag
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interesting--even if some of those testers do less well than the kids who tested initially? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 05:37 PM Flag
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I asked this last year and doe g&t office told me that summer testers get the spots (my ds had 99--didn't get a good placement). I still have my doubts... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 07:55 PM Flag
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It's for the late testers and the remaining spots are given to interested families. The DOE calls up families that listed NEST but didn't get in and offers the seats to them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 08:34 PM Flag
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Usually moves quite a bit. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 10:49 PM Flag
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NEST+m doesn't keep a waiting list for middle school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 10:59 PM Flag
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NP: Heard about someone on the WL. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:16 PM Flag
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they absolutely do. and kids get in from it every year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:38 PM Flag
[ - ] Notifications for NEST and Anderson - anyone hear?? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 07:49 PM Flag
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some people on the board have [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:50 PM Flag
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received NEst rejection Saturday in mail [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:52 PM Flag
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Several of my friends have heard from both. Have one friend waiting for NEST. I think Anderson emailed on Friday, so if you haven't heard, call them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:04 PM Flag
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Heard from Anderson via email on Friday and received NEST letter on Saturday. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:00 PM Flag
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got rejected from N. :( [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:19 AM Flag
[ - ] Notifications for NEST and Anderson - anyone hear?? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 07:49 PM Flag
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Nothing yet! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:51 PM Flag
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Heard from Anderson via email on Friday and received NEST letter on Saturday. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:01 PM Flag
[ - ] Why do Catholic schools get bashed so much here? As Catholics who value the religious aspects of education (at the very least in lower/middle school) we had CSH, MM, St Ignatius Loyola at the top of our list. Yet if I were to say that any of these schools was our FC people on UB would make the most offensive, obnoxious comments. 40 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 07:27 PM Flag
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It's in your head. You're itching for a fight. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:28 PM Flag
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OP: no, it is not in my head, and I am not itching for a fight. I actually rarely ever post here but today I was reading the school boards and it is just so apparent. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:33 PM Flag
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IMO, the bashing is aimed at Catholics, not just Catholic schools. And it's pervasive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:36 PM Flag
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Agreed - I don't see much Catholic bashing at all [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:30 PM Flag
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doing a search [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 08:48 PM Flag
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As long as its not Islam, I'm fine with it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:23 PM Flag
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Jews are doing the bashing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:29 PM Flag
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Jews don't give a shit [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:27 PM Flag
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but they steal [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:34 PM Flag
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don't confirm that catholic are anti-semitic [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:32 PM Flag
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But they are stealing from schools in Rockland County [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:37 PM Flag
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no they aren't really, technically, there are just cutting services/budget, which lowers everyone's taxes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:53 PM Flag
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hardly [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:29 PM Flag
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I am Jewish. Why in the world would you say this? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:38 PM Flag
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The only people I knew who bash Catholics when I was young, were Jews. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 08:47 PM Flag
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I'm Catholic and most of the people bashing Catholics/Catholicism when I was young were Catholics. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 09:21 PM Flag
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Lots of UBers have very misinformed or outdated ideas about Catholic schools, especially parochial schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:30 PM Flag
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It's a fact but who cares? The kind of people who are doing the bashing are likely not people you would want to hang out with IRL - regardless of their religious affiliation. Signed Catholic mom with DD in Catholic SS school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:37 PM Flag
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+1. I do not have a child in a Catholic school, but I think they are excellent. Do what is best for your family, not randoms on UB. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:43 PM Flag
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Catholic high schools are on par with any private or specialized public [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:37 PM Flag
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Elementary schools are usually connected to a parish [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:38 PM Flag
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Does being connected to a parish equate to lower academic quality? What makes the Catholic high schools on a par with private? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:56 PM Flag
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there are parochial elementary schools run by the archdiocese. the HS are mostly independent, and run by orders. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:43 PM Flag
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MM and CSH are not bashed for being catholic. They're bashed by some, because they're seen as second or third tier schools for not being on par academically with Brearley, Chapin, Spence. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:46 PM Flag
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This. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:47 PM Flag
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np I disagree. There are many privates in NY that are way less academic than MM or CSH but get none of the bashing - because they are not Catholic. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:04 PM Flag
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What are you talking about? Hewitt, Trevor, BWL, Dwight, get trashed way more than CSH and MM and are not catholic? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:20 PM Flag
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There are plenty of privates - and publics - that are way more academic than MM or CSH. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.23.13, 12:03 AM Flag
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1) catholics tend to get bashed here. 2) parochial schools (and csh and mm are not parochial schools) are not so great these days. st. ignatius is a rare exception. signed, catholic mom. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 01:25 AM Flag
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Horace Mann gets bashed, Hunter gets bashed, Dalton gets bashed, Stuyvesant gets bashed, Spence gets bashed, G&T programs gets bashed...and then you've got schools like Riverdale, Mandell, Avenues and Dwight that really get bashed. I don't notice an anti-catholic biased here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 02:31 PM Flag
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The Jewish schools do not get based though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 08:49 PM Flag
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*bashed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 08:49 PM Flag
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HM is 90% Jewish! About the same at Dalton. Hunter is at least 1/3. Come on! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 11:53 PM Flag
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They aren't Jewish schools! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.23.13, 02:07 AM Flag
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It is very simple. MM and CSH are two of only seven SS girl schools in Manhattan (so almost 30% of the supply) and they are virtually off limits to half the population - not necessarily because they would not accept non Christians but because non Christians would not dream to send their kids there. Hence, the bashing. I can assure you that if all of a sudden these school became non religious they would not be criticized on UB. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 04:04 PM Flag
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This is what everyone thinks and nobody ever says. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 07:25 PM Flag
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I have a friend for whom MM was hands down her first choice. I have another friend who only applied to St Ignatius Loyola for her kids. I don't think IRL either was criticized. UB is not the real world. And FWIW, people on UB seem to like St David's which is also Catholic... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 08:52 PM Flag
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I have a friend for whom MM was a the last option she wanted for her daughter. I have another who sent her daughter to gen ed over CSH. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.23.13, 12:01 AM Flag
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LOL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.23.13, 12:02 AM Flag
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Because some people on this site are mean to the bone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.23.13, 02:20 AM Flag
[ - ] Lawyer moms: What is the likely outcome of this G&T lawsuit, and how long is it going to drag on before the Judge issues a ruling? 42 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 04:29 PM Flag
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It should be wrapped up fairly quickly - definitely before September! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:29 PM Flag
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The funny thing is, I wasn't expecting a decision by June 7 anyway. With the deadlines pushed back so many times, there was no way they were getting those out before then. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:28 PM Flag
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Do you think the judge will issue a ruling on that June 7th court date (or at least allow placements to be sent out)? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:29 PM Flag
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i hope they at least have to change the name of the program. something like rich and prepared instead of gifted and talented should do nicely. or perhaps simply "talented" without the gifted. i mean seriously: these tykes are neither gifted nor talented. they are simply prepared 4 and 5 year olds, most likely because of parental involvement. they don't have any more gifted bones in their bodies than the common 4 and 5 year old. sickening, the whole thing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:26 PM Flag
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ITA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:31 PM Flag
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They could call it accelerated learning or something like that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:33 PM Flag
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Curious about all of these angry posters here... What's your story? Did your child test for G&T at all, not test for G&T and attends a great public, or not test for G&T and attends a mediocre public? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:34 PM Flag
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people like you need to realize that there is right and wrong, truth and fairness, and that those things don't depend on what your fing "story" is. grow up [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:42 PM Flag
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you have an ax to grind! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:44 PM Flag
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thats right. nothin wrong with that, is there?. i can't stand to hear the words gifted and talented. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:53 PM Flag
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Do you feel it reflects badly on your child that he didn't receive that "label"? I wouldn't worry about it. Most parents with kids who test in realize their kid isn't a genius-- they are only looking for a better school option for their children (just like you-- you chose a school outside your zone, right?) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:53 PM Flag
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What is the truth? Is it that a kid who got a close to perfect score has the same capacity as a kid who scored in the 50th percentile? They are equally capable of learning at the same pace? Or is the truth that most kids prepped for the test, and are therefore not gifted due to prepping? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:46 PM Flag
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I posted below with a similar question. Everyone seems so convinced that the test is total bs, and can't determine giftedness, AND that the kids who scored 99 are NOT gifted. I don't disagree that the DOE needs to spend more resources on improving gened, but why the vitriol? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:43 PM Flag
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because lawsuits like this are a big waste of time and money and a distraction from the real issues. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:54 PM Flag
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I agree with that. My son would benefit if they changed the system, but I believe that it's unfair to hold up the entire process just to give your own kid a better shot at a placement. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:59 PM Flag
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I am one of those who think the whole program is not necessary. DC is maybe a bit above average but hard working and extremely good in certain areas. With some prep scored 99. Is she gifted? Absolutely not. I believe G&T takes up resources that could be used on improving the gen ed schools. And when kids attend their zoned schools, parents will focus on working to improve them, not prep with tutors at $100 per class. Did you know people are already prepping for next year's test? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:51 PM Flag
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Didn't test, attend a great choice gen ed. Our zoned schools sucks. I'm the first to admit that if the choice school didn't exist all of us hyper-involved parents would have kicked the local gen ed into shape years ago. The problem is as long as there are options parents aren't going to be forced to do this, and I wasn't going to go and be the only one on principal. So maybe I'm a hypocrite, but I still beleive the G&T system has to go! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:54 PM Flag
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you're a hypocrite. Calling the whole G&T thing "sickening" but your decision to leave your zoned school and go to a choice school was a reasonable move on your part? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:37 PM Flag
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They usually fall into one of three camps: 1. their kid didn't test in; 2. they live in zone for 321, 6, 234, burbs, etc., and they think it's fine for real estate to weed out lots of kids, but not a test; 3. 'progressives' whose politics align with the UFT's and who are threatened by ANY choice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:56 PM Flag
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This is a rather clear-headed breakdown. Brava! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:31 PM Flag
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+1 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:53 PM Flag
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but some kids weren't prepped--should they get labelled "sickening" too? That said, I agree that it's a stupid name. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:42 PM Flag
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its not the kids who are sickening, its the system and process. G&T is nothing but a mechanism for rich, priveledge kids (IN GENERAL) to separate from poorer students. that is all it is. its disguised as a haven for special gifted children who i guess are so special that they need to separate from the common muck, but in reality, it is nothing of the sort. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:50 PM Flag
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I don't know about that. I visited TAG, which looks extremely diverse. They are doing accelerated work. The truth is that a lot of kids in regular gened would not be able to keep up with the pace at a citywide. Why not have a program for kids who are capable of moving at a quicker pace? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:55 PM Flag
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You are very confused. You are angry that G&T parents use the G&T program to "separate" from poorer students. But what about your decision to leave your zoned school and attend a "choice" school-- who were you separating from??? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:40 PM Flag
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I've posted about this before--district g&ts are usually placed into less desirable schools. The closest one to us in is a Title I (high poverty) school with a high minority population. We chose it over our 95+% white very well-funded gen-ed. Do your research. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:47 PM Flag
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what about "shifted for talentedness". that ought to do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:43 PM Flag
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I don't know if I would call it sickening, but they do need to make a change. I'm just curious. Why are people so convinced that the test itself has no value in determining at least some level of giftedness? Is everyone just against it for the sake of being against it, or has everyone done research on the validity of these tests? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:45 PM Flag
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why don't you just make this simple and define, in detail, wtf "gifted" means? and we will go from there... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:51 PM Flag
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I didn't make up the term "gifted", but from what I have seen on the citywide tours, the kids in these programs are able to work at an accelerated pace. They can keep up and have a greater capacity to understand and process the work. It is the gift of comprehension, reasoning, memory, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:52 PM Flag
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a lot of moms think that it is enough to be gifted. but according to the name, you not only have to be gifted..., no, that is not enough. you have to be gifted, yes, but also talented, at the same time. and many moms simply don't understand this.. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:33 PM Flag
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Lawyer mom (and citywide parent): I haven't read the complaint so I don't know what specific laws are alleged to have been violated; my understanding is the plaintiffs allege the sibling policy is unfair. But the G&T program is a non-mandatory programming option that is made available to families. It is entirely optional. The DOE has a lot of discretion in managing this type of program. The DOE initially narrowly curtailed the sib preference in October and then reversed itself, reinstituting the preference in December... BEFORE any child took the G&T test. So the plaintiffs knew what the placement methodology would be when their children took the test. The DOE will win this lawsuit. That said, I would predict there will be big changes in the entire G&T program/structure in the next few years. I think the sibling preference is vulnerable (it may remain in some form but not what it currently is). With the outgoing administration and this being an election year, anything could happen although the more political changes may be another year away. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:42 PM Flag
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thanks for your thoughts! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:33 PM Flag
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I read the complaint and it seemed absolutely frivolous as a legal matter. I am not saying that the program's rules are GOOD, but just that they seem perfectly legal. I honestly can't believe that this is holding up the process for so many. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:45 PM Flag
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Where can one read the complaint? Is it online somewhere? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:54 PM Flag
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OR here: I actually don't think the filing of this complaint is holding anything up. Before this claim was filed, the DOE had said they would send out placements around June 17. I don't know what immediate relief the Plaintiffs are seeking here, but we'll see what happens on June 7. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:03 PM Flag
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I read the complaint and it seemed absolutely frivolous as a legal matter. I am not saying that the program's rules are GOOD, but just that they seem perfectly legal. I honestly can't believe that this is holding up the process for so many. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:51 PM Flag
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agree but not sure about sib policy. it's a slippery slope. if you change it for g&t, then wl people at top gen eds will want it changed at gen eds. and then the doe would have a total shitstorm on its hands. not saying it couldn't happen. but don't hold your breath. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:58 PM Flag
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OR: but gen eds do not have selective admissions, whereas G&T programs do. Even in the G&T programs, sibs do not get in unless they meet a baseline qualification requirement. A good argument could be made that, under the current system, the sib preference should be limited to 99 sibs, since in the non-sib universe, only 99s have a chance at a citywide seat. But I have a feeling this is the last year of the G&T program as we currently know it. It will likely change a lot by next fall. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:01 PM Flag
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only 99s have a chance practically speaking. but theoretically speaking 97s have a chance. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:23 PM Flag
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Yes, but I believe it was not just about sib policy, but the score calculations being flawed as well. Just saying.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 02:38 AM Flag
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But does he expect that the judge will be so skilled in statistics as to agree that his score calculations (which obviously benefit his daughter) are better than the DOE's score calculations? The judge will look to expert statisticians to give their opinion. At best, some will agree with this guy, and others with the DOE. So the judge will decide that the DOE's way is reasonable, and throw out the case, right? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 04:16 PM Flag
[ - ] DD will be starting pre-k this fall, so we are gearing up for the K admissions process. DH went to a private coed school in NYC which is considered lower tier by UB standard. I would love to send DD to a more traditional SS school(Brearley, Chapin, Spence, CSH, MM, Nightingale), but DH already has his mind set on sending DD to the school he attended. I toured it with my SIL last year and don't like much about it at all and really don't see it as a good fit for DD. Hate the atmosphere of its high school, which even DH admits is not the best, but still says he had a great experience and wants DD to have the same. His family is still pretty active with the school, his parent are significant donors and have been for the last 30 years, nieces and nephews attend, ext. Anybody ever been in a similar situation or have any advice? I do not want DD to go to this school. 58 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 03:57 PM Flag
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you can manage through it, but you will end up breaking glass w/ the family. you have to decide if it's worth it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:59 PM Flag
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And possibly being shut out altogether, since Brearley, etc. are a crapshoot. Why don't you like this school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:56 PM Flag
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Wouldn't judge anything based on the high school. Many kids decide to move elsewhere for high school, as their K - 12 class feels stagnating to them by then, moving on to Stuy, Laguardia, etc or other privates. Base your feelings on the elementary school. Seems to me you have a lot of reasons to look seriously at this one so make sure your reasons for pushing elsewhere, where you will not have as good a chance in a very tight environment, are stellar ones and not based on silly UB status. You can only first choice in one place, [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:54 PM Flag
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I don't mean the academics in the high school, the way the kids act in high school. Atmosphere is basically a bunch of rich teens partying on their parents money. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:57 PM Flag
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Np that is the case in many NYC high schools... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:00 PM Flag
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Less so though at SS schools IMO. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:03 PM Flag
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Your elementary school student won't be invited to their parties. Really, all high schoolers are scary in my opinion. Let it go. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:10 PM Flag
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If DD starts K there, I guarantee she will end up staying through HS. This school has a far more intense reputation for partying then most others in NYC. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:15 PM Flag
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what school has a party reputation? never heard that before! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:21 PM Flag
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Maybe Dwight? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:45 PM Flag
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dwight? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:39 PM Flag
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OP- Yes, Dwight. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 05:00 PM Flag
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It's pretty obvious you don't want DD at the school DH and his family seem to cherish so much. You need to really work it out with him. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:55 PM Flag
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Forget what schools you like and what school your husband likes: Where will your daughter do best? If your husband's school is a better fit for her, she should go there regardless of whether or not you like it. If she seems to take really well to, say, Chapin, then of course she should go there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:01 PM Flag
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Can you be more specific about what you don't like? For example, "DD seems to need a lot of structure, and I dont see that here." Don't worry about the high school at this point, on the other hand. You can apply out if she wants to. Happens all the time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:02 PM Flag
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DD is very shy and I think that a SS school may be a lot more nurturing and will help her find her confidence better. Also, yes I do think she would do a lot better in a structure environment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:02 PM Flag
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Brearley is not nurturing. Signed mom of DD there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:18 PM Flag
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then you should look at hewitt, MM, Spence. Not Brearley. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 05:58 PM Flag
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+1 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:02 PM Flag
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np. Spence? Really? I would have said Chapin, but Spence doesn't give off the nurturing vibe, in my opinion. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 10:40 PM Flag
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You should apply to all of these schools first and then see where she ACTUALLY gets in before you make any decisions. Don't cross any schools off the list. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:01 PM Flag
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you actually can't do this at most schools. siblings and legacies apply for "early notification" and find out in december before the general admissions process. so she can't just play out the options without signalling to the family that she is not as interested in their beloved alma mater as they are. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:09 PM Flag
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ah, I've never gone through the legacy app. process so unaware. OP looks like you have a decision to make. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:12 PM Flag
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You don't have to use the early date process. I did not want my dd to go to the co-ed I went to and she simply applied for regular notification and went somewhere else. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:21 PM Flag
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OP is in a good place, actually, because Dwight is generally considered a very undesirable school. Her PSD will support doing regular admission everywhere else, and other schools will take the application and the family's declarations of interest seriously (which, honestly, they wouldn't if the dc were a legacy at Dalton or Trinity). The dc will certainly get into Dwight regardless. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 08:34 PM Flag
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DH doesn't even want to apply to any other schools besides this one. He says why subject ourselves to such a crazy, pointless process when we don't need to? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:10 PM Flag
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you have the trump card if you need it: because it's best for DC. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:05 PM Flag
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He sounds annoying. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:12 PM Flag
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Yeah, he really his. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:16 PM Flag
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Talk to more families with kids at this school. Open your mind. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:11 PM Flag
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I have met and talked to a lot of families who attend this school. Even went to an auction for the school last year. Honestly I'm sure there are some nice families at this school, there are at almost any school, but the people I have met just seem so arrogant about money and status, basically a school of strivers for lack of better term and their children seem to take after them on this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:20 PM Flag
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Wow, and this is Dwight? So interesting, the only families I knew who went there were not like this at all. You might have gotten a skewed view of the parent body based on who showed up for the auction--might have been the big-money types who wanted to show off. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 05:23 PM Flag
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The problem with less competitive schools like Dwight or BWL is that there is much less diversity than at tt schools, and thus I think OP is right about the sort of people. Places like Dalton or Brearley try very strenuously to make sure there are at least a signif contingent of full-pay, super high performing, non connected kids in addition to the rich, connected kids and the kids on FA. At our schools I know well, I bet 1/4 of the families fit that mold. At, say Dwight or BWL, there aren't that many rich-enough-to-pay-but-poor-enough-so-it-hurts families. The schools aren't academically compelling enough to make that sacrifice, you know? So IME, families at those schools tend to be either quite rich or obscenely rich. The sort for whom it's private do-or-die. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:47 PM Flag
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^^ITTTTA. Or else grandparents are paying. There's so much of that at our private. It's say 25 of families. So to them it's "why not?" if dad's picking up the bill? Perhaps it's not a great school, but it's more "pleasant" than public. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:09 PM Flag
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NP "Pleasant" is such a wonderful euphemism. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:39 PM Flag
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Huh. We're at a less-competitive private (not Dwight) and there is decent diversity and around 40% of families get FA. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 10:42 PM Flag
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Well, we're at BWL, and I don't care what FC says, there's no way that 40% are getting FA, unless they're giving 5K to some people so they can make that claim [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:07 AM Flag
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nnp--My understanding is that Dwight has a lot of international families. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 10:37 PM Flag
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Sorry, but I don't consider very rich international families "diverse." But you're right Dwight has many non-American families. As for their 40% FA, I absolutely don't buy it.And that # is bs anyway. They are privately held and for-profit, so I really doubt they are dishing up the FA like the tt schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:07 AM Flag
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nnp. Sadly, this is all true in my experience. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 10:54 PM Flag
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school process is so competitive, don't be surprised if you are hoping to get in by the end. i think how much you should fight dh over it depends on the academic spread between it and where she would otherwise go. for ex, if you are comparing trevor day and chapin, it is worth your fighting. if it is a comparision of fieldsont and hewitt, it is not [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:25 PM Flag
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WTF! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:49 PM Flag
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Have you looked into the International Baccalaureate program? Dwight offers it from primary through high school. My child's experience (in another city, high school) is that it's challenging and in depth. FWIW There can be a party scene at any high school in NYC. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:12 PM Flag
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Yes there can, but is any other school known by its party acronym? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 04:45 PM Flag
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LOL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 12:35 PM Flag
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Does DH accept the possibility that Dwight may have changed somewhat in the last 30 years? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:29 PM Flag
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Actually, I was going to write that it is intriguing that dh has fond memories. As a native NYer, the two kids I knew who went to Dwight would rather send their kids to Sing Sing; they would be apoplectic if that were the only place their kids got in. Unlike schools like Nightgale and Riverdale, which are fighting to climb the tier ladder, shoring up the curriculum, trying to take a page from NYU's playbook by becoming more selective, Dwight has always been a school of last resort. It's not a great place to be, but someone has to do it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:51 PM Flag
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^^and don't chime in about the IB. It doesn't make a difference to the colleges, at least the ones UBers are so hot for. All they see is Dwight. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:47 PM Flag
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np--Matriculation for the Dwight class of 2012 includes Stanford, MIT, Yale and Princeton: http://www.dwight.edu/collegeguidance/matriculation [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 10:37 PM Flag
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Have you seen the rest of that list? Five bright kids does not a great list make! It looks like a run of the mill umc suburban class. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:25 AM Flag
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My point is that kids can get into very desirable schools from Dwight (and from other schools put down by some UB posters). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:30 AM Flag
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These are kids who have been spoon-fed, handheld, tutored and sculpted for their entire education. And even then, the VAST majority of them are at schools that are easy to get into if you're coming from a bleh suburban public. I graduated from Oradell High in Bergen County and we had more kids -- even scaled for the size of the class -- going to top schools than this. God knows with all those resources, I HOPE there's a trickle of kids going to the ivy league! But the average boats are NOT being raised (unless you figure they would be going to worse schools if they didn't have all that hand-holding) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:39 AM Flag
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My guess would be that the Yale and Princeton kids are legacies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 09:54 PM Flag
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^^^And when looking at these kind of lists, I think it's more telling to see where the larger number of kids go. In this case, it's Syracuse & NYU with 4 each; Bard and Franklin & Marshall with 3; and American U, Boston U, Brandeis, Colby, Princeton and UPenn with 2 each. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 09:51 PM Flag
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^^^And the other telling thing is that there are no kids going to a NY public school which tells me that everyone is rich. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 09:54 PM Flag
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I'm glad that he had a wonderful time, but these days Dwight is pretty much a punchline. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 09:56 PM Flag
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What you said about your DD makes a lot of sense. Try to focus on that and find the right school for her. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 04:58 AM Flag
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Depending on your public option, would it be possible to split the baby: do Dwight for preK or K and then go to a decent school for for elementary? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 12:46 PM Flag
[ - ] With all this talk of need for middle school in D3, can the new gen ed 452 go K to 8? 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 03:43 PM Flag
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DOE does not like gen ed k-8s and generally does not approve them. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:44 PM Flag
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np: how good is Computer School? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:39 PM Flag
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Its a good enough school..very progressive, social, nice friendly kids although some feel the academic could be more rigorous. Not much HW, and lots of hands-on activities. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:33 PM Flag
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why? the DOE would save so much $$ and resources if there were fewer admissions processes to go through. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:47 PM Flag
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the DOE doesn't do anything that makes sense or is cost-effective. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:43 PM Flag
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+1 and I really don't understand why the hell not? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:52 PM Flag
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why only 452? why not 87? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:04 PM Flag
[ - ] All this kerfluffle over the validity and fairness of the G and T. There is nothing about the G and T process that makes it stand out to me -- the entire public school system in NYC is set up in ways that are unfair to children and use invalid methods of measurement to make important decisions. But this is the only piece of it that parents really mobilize to change. 54 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 03:41 PM Flag
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ita. because these parents who fight tooth and nail over g&t seats think they deserve better and have the resources to make sure they get what they supposedly deserve. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:45 PM Flag
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That's probably because the parents who go through the bother of researching the process and having their kids take the test and apply, are the ones who are more likely to complain. Parents who end up sending their kids to zoned schools are more likely to just go with the flow. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:49 PM Flag
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It's not just complaining -- they file lawsuits. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:45 PM Flag
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only 1 parent filed a lawsuit-or were there more? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:48 PM Flag
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one parent was enough to halt the process [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:59 PM Flag
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It's not halting it--we wouldn't have gotten the scores before mid-June at the earliest. In all likelihood, nothing will change and we'll get the scores when we would have had there been no lawsuit. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:43 PM Flag
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it happens every year and i shouldn't be surprised. but it's just so bizarre to me. a lawsuit? really? over a seat at a g&t? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:49 PM Flag
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It seems that to shake the DOE this is what you need to do. How else would they hear us? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:28 PM Flag
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And why couldn't the lawsuit be filed back in December when the decision was made to keep sibling preference? Why wait until this A-hole's daughter got a "perfect score" and then File his stupid lawsuit- delaying everyone else's placements? This is not about the DOE hearing from "us"- its about total self-interest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:30 PM Flag
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why do you think you deserve a g&t spot? serious question. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:33 PM Flag
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Why do you think you deserve a spot in your zoned school- similar question. Or a spot in a selective middle school. Or a selective high school... The answer is that they are there, there are rules for entry, and its reasonable that people feel they deserve to play by those rules and enter if granted admission. Nothing more complicated than that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:31 PM Flag
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^^^ Yikes-- sorry. I didn't see that you were questioning the OR above who felt this lawsuit was reasonable. I take back my sarcasm- with apologies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:31 PM Flag
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for the record the doe tells me my dc gets a spot at my zoned school unless there is a wl. i don't think dc deserves a spot at selective ms or hs. we will try for one, but are guaranteed nothing. those are the rules. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:37 PM Flag
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Which rules were violated? Sibling preference is long-established. As are cutoff scores. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:39 PM Flag
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OR: Sorry, my error in posting. I absolutely disagree with this frivolous lawsuit, and do not feel any rules were violated here. I was trying to address G&T haters who question why there is a G&T program at all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:39 PM Flag
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pp. I don't think I deserve a spot. I simply think that the DOE is disinterested in working for the best interests of the NYC population and they have no motivation to change anything. So it comes down to lawsuits. I believe that the whole G&T program in it's current form is not necessary for elementary. It's a huge waste of resources and demotivates parents to work on improving their zoned schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:42 PM Flag
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Are you even an actual NYC DOE parent? I suspect you're not; if you were, you'd realize how laughably naive 'work on improving your zoned schools' is. Elementary school goes by in an eyeblink; you're not 'fixing' anything. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 05:04 PM Flag
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We "ended up" sending dc to our zoned school after dc qualified for a citywide. And there are plenty of engaged, involved parents there who keep abreast of what's going on with the DOE, research all the options for ms, etc. Don't assume gen ed parents are clueless. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:52 PM Flag
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These people who filed the lawsuit think a supposed "perfect score" on the exam entitles them to a seat at BSI. There are hundreds of kids who are in this boat. Whether a 4 year old got one question wrong or two on the test should not be the deciding factor. What is this, China? It would be really easy to open a couple new schools. If only people could band together to demand more seats. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:54 PM Flag
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ITA but I wish the focus wasn't on G and T! All kids deserve a school like BSI. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:56 PM Flag
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+100000 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:35 PM Flag
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Not so easy. The DOE has priorities other than mc families whose dcs will succeed at any school. And frankly, I agree with the DOE on this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:56 PM Flag
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The DOE needs to be able to focus on many problems at once. Of course low-performing schools need an abundance of resources. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:12 PM Flag
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But the DOE doesn't have endless resources. If you have to triage, then low-performing schools take precedence, obviously. As they should. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:14 PM Flag
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http://www.change.org/petitions/nyc-doe-add-more-citywide-gifted-and-talented-programs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:35 PM Flag
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I agree that its all unfair. I also believe that if G&T went away completely parents would be mobilized to change the whole system. Because so man of the vocal (aka educated/money) parents have the G&T option they're not forced to try and really change local bad or mediocer gen eds. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:00 PM Flag
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Schools are changing. Look at all the excellent gen eds in Brooklyn. You don't have to get rid of G&T. For a lot of kids, it really is something they need, not just a status symbol as many would have one believe on UB. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:13 PM Flag
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I disagree. Only the very, very top (profoundly gifted) need special schools and additional resources. DCs who score in the 90-99.9% range will do fine at gen eds. And I've seen that at over and over at dc's school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:22 PM Flag
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ITA! We don't need all this G&T stuff. And so many parents avoid their zoned schools. If they had no G&T option they would have to work hard to improve the zoned schools. Sure, some would leave, but many families would stay. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:30 PM Flag
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np: How do you know where those gen ed kids would score? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 05:07 PM Flag
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I don't actually agree that there are many kids that 'need' G&T and I strongly believe that the process to hand out G&T spots doesn't really work. I do believe that if the G&T program were gone parents would focus on zoned schools. We live in D2 and in my immedaite area there are at least 4 gen ed schools that are mediocer to bad and so many parents zoned for them send their kids to other options and the parents left don't have the ability, wherewithall to fight to make the gen ed schools better. FWIW, I fall into this category-we send our kdis to a fab choice school over the 'meh' zoned school. If this option hadn't existed the zoned schools would no longer be 'meh' [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:23 PM Flag
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ita. but no one wants to be the "guinea pig" and everyone thinks they deserve a great school from day one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:23 PM Flag
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Agreed--I was in exactly this same boat and did not choose our zoned school. But the DOE still makes guinea pics of all the kids periodically (ie: new state testing this year, new G&T testing, etc) and at some point I believe they're going to just have to bite the bullet, piss off half the city and kill G&T. If we were all being fair/honest we'd probably agree that the $$ spend on g&T should be going to the kids in the lowest 10%, not top, but of course we all want what's best for our own kids and so we fight for it. Can't really fault that! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:37 PM Flag
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ita that kids at the bottom deserve the resources more than kids at the top. and my dc scored a 98 (and we turned down g&t). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:45 PM Flag
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ita and my dc got 2 99s in a row (but no citywide) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 04:12 AM Flag
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The $ spent on G&T is tiny. Take a look at a DOE budget sometime, noting the amount spent on Title I, special ed, and ELL instruction. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 05:36 PM Flag
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Pearson test costs something, no? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:05 PM Flag
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so do the buses most g&t students ride. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:06 PM Flag
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The testing costs less than 2 million dollars per year. Most kids at citywides don't get bus service; district kids get it for 2 years. These costs are less than a drop in the bucket of a $20 billion operating budget. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:18 PM Flag
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So what?? 2 million can still go a LONG way. Also, I all the district kids I know ride busses all the way through 5th grade (D2, most going to 11, but some to NEST) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:25 PM Flag
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Two million dollars would operate a run-of-the-mill city gen ed for about a couple of months, not counting fringe benefits and facilities costs. It's a pittance. Whatever extra is spent on busing is offset by large G&T class sizes and low rates of kids requiring special ed or language services. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:36 PM Flag
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1) plenty of g&t dcs require special services. 2) the class sizes at g&ts start larger but end up smaller because there are generally only two classes per grade whereas in zoned schools the number of classes is reduces and the class size goes up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:00 PM Flag
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Most district g&ts only have 1 class per grade and at our district they fill every seat, every year so class size is higher than gen-ed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 04:13 AM Flag
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simply not true that most dcs at g&ts don't get bus service. also not true it's only for two years. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:52 PM Flag
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I really disagree. The kids at G&T are bright and capable but few of them are 'gifted' in a way that requires specialized instruction. And the G&Ts don't even really claim to offer that -- they just offer an accelerated curriculum. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:28 PM Flag
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not even accelerated in the case of district-wides. "enriched." [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:28 PM Flag
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so this! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:43 PM Flag
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I think the lawsuit is silly, even as someone who had a perfect-scoring child with a terrible lottery spot last year (who is now, sadly, getting bored in gen-ed). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:13 PM Flag
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we took our 4th choice district with 99 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 04:13 AM Flag
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Reading through the responses, it's clear that most parents have never taken even a cursory look at a DOE budget. The suggestion that G&T programs are somehow taking away funding from programs that help at-risk children is, in a word, insane. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 05:49 PM Flag
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It's not about the money for me -- it's about the amount of attention the programs get and the public outcry around them. They serve such a small percentage and they do not improve the quality of education for the children who are in the most desperate need. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:12 PM Flag
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So attention and public outcry over G&T programs are compromising the ability of the DOE to serve its most at-risk students? You can't be serious. And trust me, if an at-risk kid and a bright kid are in a face-off for a teacher's time and attention in a gen-ed classroom, the at-risk kid will win each and every time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:15 PM Flag
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Read my OP. I think it's ridiculous that people get so up in arms over the unfairness of the G&T system when the inequity of NYC publics should make us all ashamed of ourselves. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:20 PM Flag
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You think people at DOE aren't spending time and energy implementing G&T programs for mc advantaged white families whose dcs could succeed at a gen ed? Or these schools just magically appear and sustain themselves on fairy dust? What rankles is that these families think they deserve special consideration. When many dcs at failing schools get nothing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 03:33 PM Flag
[ - ] what is the best advice you can share with a mom applying to privates for K this fall? 29 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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NY Schools 05.20.13, 02:54 PM Flag
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Marry rich [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:55 PM Flag
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Don't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:55 PM Flag
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:33 PM Flag
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Consider all your options: ss and co-ed, public and private. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:56 PM Flag
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Try to get your application in before the cutoff date [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:56 PM Flag
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certain schools cutoff the application before the published cutoff date so do it within the first week. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:53 PM Flag
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this happened to me last fall. planning on applying to our FC then it closed application on Sept 20-something. still kicking my butt for not acting fast enough. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:56 PM Flag
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write some draft essays over the summer. "tell us about your kid" and "what are you looking for in a school". then tailor them to the specific schools once the questions come out. get trinity in the first day. write notes AFTER each open house or session with your feelings and observations. in the end, they will all run together so these notes are super valuable. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:52 PM Flag
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Don't stress out. Do not listen to this board. If you like a school that is not considered acceptable by this board please ignore them and go with your gut. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:02 PM Flag
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apply broadly; play dates are most important. don't schedule 2 play dates in one day. make sure your dc is well rested, fed, and happy on play date. prep for ERB; don't listen to people who say they didn't prep. Your kid must get at least 95+ to be in the game. I still think play date is most important. but if he/she doesn't meet ERB cut off, he's out of the game. GL! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:04 PM Flag
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Agree -- except you need a higher ERB [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:13 PM Flag
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absolutely not. this board makes you think a 99 is critical. it's not. 95+ and you're good. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:22 PM Flag
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not at most good schools... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:20 PM Flag
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i am sure that is your impression, but i am a mom w/ two kids at schools called tt on this board. 95+ is fine. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:35 PM Flag
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whatever...point is do what you can to get top score because it matters [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:30 PM Flag
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i agree with this. i just dont want people to get caught up on a 97 vs a 98. that matters in public. less so in privates. teh schools are smart enough to understand that these are tests on 4yo's and there is some degree of error embedded in them. mostly, they just want to see a consistent score/school record/interview. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:31 PM Flag
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agree with most but not on ERB/score. don't need to prep (unless you know your DC really needs to just pass 80, rare IMO) and don't need 95+ to be in the game. plenty of low 90s and hight 80s kids at all top schoools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:57 PM Flag
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agreed, DC low 90s and got into FC and 3 others. A great score is great, but schools can def tell if a kid was prepped. Better go in with a true score. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:50 PM Flag
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this. dd scored 84 attends SS TT. many scores in the 80s, some 70s. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.23.13, 05:04 AM Flag
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Apply as broadly as you can. Include ss, co-ed, manhattan, bklyn, bronx... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:19 PM Flag
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Apply boradly. Keep an open mind. If possible, keep out of UB and try to form your own opinion. Read the curricula carefully and compare them if academics are a big focus. Prep for the paretn interview. Don't prep for the ERBs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:06 PM Flag
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Tour every school you are even slightly interested in. Go in with an open mind and forget anything you have read on here about any of the schools. I loved the school my DC is at the moment they started talking about the school when I went on tour. Everything they said during tour has ended up being true for my DC. Schools I thought I would love for DC I ended up not liking after touring. GL! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:13 PM Flag
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You are really lucky. Our DC wound up in a private and, we drank the Koolade and it was bad! In other words, the school is far from what was presented to us by their admissions staff and our psd. And, once this was clear, we realized that all of the posts that we had read were actually true. So, I would reccomend reading as many posts as possible and, speaking with families in the community with kids in various schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:28 PM Flag
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I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. SAME THING HAPPENED WITH US. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:40 PM Flag
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BWL? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:46 PM Flag
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Run your own race. Don't listen to other moms or psd. Psd has her own interests and they often will nit coincide with the interests of most families. Fight fir the school you want foryour dc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.21.13, 02:54 AM Flag
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Listen to psd and apply to the schools she tells you to BUT add what you want. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 08:50 PM Flag
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If you are a Sephardic Jew, check the Hispanic box. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.22.13, 08:58 PM Flag
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lol [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.23.13, 05:06 AM Flag
[ - ] Paranoia. Do the schools know what other schools you sent ERB/ISEE scores to? 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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no [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:27 PM Flag
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for K, i am told that they can see the list of where the ERB's are sent. this is from someone who worked in admissions, but a while ago. i do not know if that is STILL true. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:39 PM Flag
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np I really doubt that. They pull the score reports once app fees are paid. Why on earth would a list of other schools to which report might be sent (again, that app fee has to be paid before schools bother pulling erb) be included? Would be a total violation of privacy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:39 PM Flag
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i'm telling you what she told me. she was at a ss school and often checked this info, particularly for sibling parents, to see whether the story they gave about ss vs coed was legitimate. this was a while ago, so the erb's may have changed their policy. but she told me when i applied for my kids so i knew what the schools could see. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:49 PM Flag
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Even if it were true, who cares? They all know that most people apply to 10+ schools [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:52 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone care to share views of ESMS vs. Lab Middle? 20 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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you bastards in ds are so lucky [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:13 PM Flag
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sorry I meant D2 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:20 PM Flag
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np. agree. it's the reason i moved to the district. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:15 PM Flag
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If you live uptown, choose ESMS. If you live downtown, choose Lab. No reason to commute for either if you don't have to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:13 PM Flag
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DD lives both, given divorcec and joint custody [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:25 PM Flag
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Then Lab is the better school imo. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:37 PM Flag
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They're both considered among the best in District 2 - go with the closer one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:42 PM Flag
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I would personally go for Lab largely due to the HS aspect, but they're VERY far apart geographically. If you live on the UES that would be a tough commute. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:45 PM Flag
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Having a high school is an advantage, but it's not automatic: Lab MS kids have to apply to the HS just like everybody else. And many choose to take the SHSAT and go specialized. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:22 PM Flag
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agree. and lab hs is not all that. if you can go elsewhere, you do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:23 PM Flag
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Well, the HS is highly regarded, but DD didn't like the whole collaborative aspect for HS, so she put it further down on her list. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:38 PM Flag
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not as highly regarded as schools like stuy or bronx science, nor even as highly regarded as beacon, elro, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:38 PM Flag
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Well, of course it's not a specialized HS, and probably not as highly regarded as beacon, elro etc., but I think we agree that a kid could do a lot worse. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:51 PM Flag
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^^^DC does not attend Lab, BTW. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:51 PM Flag
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Agreed--but its still easier to stay then get in fresh and so its just an extra option. All things being equal in terms of geography, I'd still choose lab over ESMS, but, in all fairness, I HATE the UES and probably have a slight predjudice about my kids being surrounded by all those UES families! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:40 PM Flag
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ditto and ditto. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:38 PM Flag
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Do you mean because there is a Lab HS also, or that around 65% of the kids from Lab go to specialized HS? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 05:00 PM Flag
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That there is a HS. I would imagine ESMS has a similar ratio although I don't know. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 05:06 PM Flag
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DD is in HS now; you can't deny that ESMS has the nicer building. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 04:49 PM Flag
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Live on UES and would choose Lab in a heartbeat--visit both next year. You'll probably be more inclined to one than the other. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 08:12 PM Flag
[ - ] If you file a middle school appeal, when do you hear on the appeal decision? 10 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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why do you bother? they just have that to say they hear you out. they never change squat. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:04 PM Flag
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Not true at all. I know kids who got in (in Bklyn, anyway). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:06 PM Flag
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really? whaddya know? the first time i heard of anything getting done on appeal except in law. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:12 PM Flag
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I too know several successful appeals [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:51 PM Flag
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People do get in in appeal. Many ppl already accepted at private, etc turn down spots. These rankings were due in December. I know at least 2-3 people who are turning down heir spots for private [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:31 PM Flag
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When does DOE communicate appeal decisions? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:27 PM Flag
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About 13% of appeals were granted last year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 03:48 PM Flag
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That's just not true. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 06:44 PM Flag
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Did anyone ever win an appeal for the first choice when they were initially offered their second choice? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:48 PM Flag
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Did anyone ever win an appeal for the first choice when they were initially offered their second choice? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 07:48 PM Flag
[ - ] Anyone hear from NEST middle? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More
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Yes! Got in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:05 PM Flag
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when did your letter arrive? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:17 PM Flag
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Rejected got letter saturday [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 02:31 PM Flag
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Yes, received NEST letter on Saturday. I was told they had 47 seats and 1200 applicants. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.20.13, 11:03 PM Flag
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