Spin-off post: Do you think the biggest factor in autism is environmental pollution? This includes the antibiotic filled, GMO food we eat, polluted air we breathe, materials-polluted water we drink, mercury filled shots given to babies, plastics we use everydy, and everything else you can think of. I believe this is the main factor since I have read an article explaining this theory but can't find the article to post here. In the article, it was explaining that during the development of fetus, environmental factors might (or may not) affect the division of cells in an abnormal way which could be the factor in autism. Assuming this is true, we do this to ourselves, all of us. Mothers of autistic kids shouldn't feel more or less guilty than any of us. By not doing enough about preventing/decreasing pollution, we should all share our part of guilt in this.
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04.09.12, 12:53 PM
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^^^ than any of us.
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04.09.12, 12:54 PM
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More likely the Pitocin used to induce and speed up labor. Pitocin affects oxytocin which is what is messed up in autistic kids.
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04.09.12, 05:31 PM
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I was given Pitocin for labor, DC is just fine.
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04.10.12, 01:15 PM
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I think it's old men fertilizing old eggs.
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04.09.12, 12:55 PM
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+1
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04.09.12, 12:56 PM
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^^ but we got lucky at 35/38 for both myself and husband.
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04.09.12, 12:57 PM
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Yes, that IS old.
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04.09.12, 12:58 PM
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that's 35 for both for first and 38 for both for second. it is late. we'd all be nearly grandmas then if this were 50 years back.
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04.09.12, 01:02 PM
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NP. Maybe 150 years ago. My grandmothers had their first children at 25 and 28, respectively, and became grandmothers at 53 and 56. Both born in the mid 1920s.
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04.09.12, 03:31 PM
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I think it's a combination of this + much more diagnosing (some of which is good/accurate, some of which is inaccurate)
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04.09.12, 01:09 PM
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There have always been older men having babies with younger women. The opposite was not always true.
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04.09.12, 01:16 PM
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Basically, couples that delay their childbearing past their early thirties are taking a risk, which they refuse to aknowledge and instead blame anything but themselves for the problems. As was stated in another thread, the most convincing data points largely to past-the-expiration-date sperm and eggs and, with new study data also indicating that maternal obesity increases risk: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/10/us-obesity-autism-idUSBRE83900B20120410 So, fat granny moms, ditch grandpa, join a health club and find yourselves a young stud!
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04.09.12, 06:45 PM
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you are truly a sick woman and nasty too. What happened to you in your youth to make you so nasty? Look into yourself and try to find out why your are basically so pissy.
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04.10.12, 01:28 PM
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I think the main factor are all the 40 yo moms.
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04.09.12, 12:56 PM
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^^ and 50/60 yo dads.
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04.09.12, 12:56 PM
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if this would be the only factor then it would be easy to detect as no other parents younger than 40 for mom and 50 for dad wouldn't have this problem. but they do.
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04.09.12, 12:58 PM
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It was always the case from the beginning of times but it is worse now because of all the old parents.
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04.09.12, 01:00 PM
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I have two friends who have srsly autistic boys, were 30 and 31 when they had them, the dads not older than 35. Only two ppl I personally know w/ autistic kids.
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04.09.12, 05:45 PM
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My cousin has 3 kids, 2 with autism. Both parents were in early 30s at conception. So my money is on environment not age.
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04.09.12, 01:00 PM
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dude. early 30's IS old. it used to be all early to mid twenties. probably, having the first so late is different from having the 3rd and 4th so late due to the constant exposure to estrogen, etc.
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04.09.12, 01:04 PM
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This. Only today do people think that early 30ies is early.
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04.09.12, 01:11 PM
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not sure about environment but I know too many autistic kids born to young parents so can't convince me it's age.
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04.09.12, 01:04 PM
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This, this, this. Age may be a factor in some cases. All the moms of autistic kids I know had them in their twenties.
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04.09.12, 01:10 PM
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There is no increase in autism in the young mother population.
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04.09.12, 01:12 PM
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well, I guess I was thinking early 30s is still young. but maybe it isn't?
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04.09.12, 01:14 PM
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It's tempting to think that the trend for women to delay childbirth is behind the continuing rise of autism. But that's not the case. This trend accounts for less than 5% of the autism increase in California over the decade 1990-1999, calculate study researchers Janie F. Shelton, Daniel J. Tancredi, PhD, and Irva Hertz-Picciotto, PhD.
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04.09.12, 01:17 PM
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California is a very polluted state.
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04.09.12, 01:27 PM
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Nice try.
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04.09.12, 01:29 PM
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my observation.
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04.09.12, 01:42 PM
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Not to say it isn't there. There was a study about kids with autism and air pollution link. Regardless of maternal age, a highway was a factor.
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04.09.12, 01:34 PM
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WRONG- this has been looked for and disproven time and time again.
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04.09.12, 01:12 PM
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That is why age is a factor in testing. Right.
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04.09.12, 01:12 PM
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totally sucks to have someone rebut with a scientific article.
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04.09.12, 01:17 PM
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not when corrected for father's age- that is the correlate
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04.09.12, 01:15 PM
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From YOUR OWN ARTICLE: It's tempting to think that the trend for women to delay childbirth is behind the continuing rise of autism. But that's not the case. This trend accounts for less than 5% of the autism increase in California over the decade 1990-1999, calculate study researchers Janie F. Shelton, Daniel J. Tancredi, PhD, and Irva Hertz-Picciotto, PhD.
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04.09.12, 01:16 PM
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np: oh, ok. i think that's bullshit because it's a popular (older) parent website, not a scientific publication, so they don't want to piss off customers/reader. but let's say it isn't. let's say it's because as we get older, we have more exposure to environmental pollutants (the alternative explanation given). what are you gonna do? live in a bubble? that comment is bullshit. older eggs and sperms cause problems.
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04.09.12, 01:25 PM
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Ah, but you are wrong. There is a marked increase that is not correlated with the advancing age- have you ever studied statistics?
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04.09.12, 01:29 PM
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uh, yes, i have. that comment is BS.
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04.09.12, 11:04 PM
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none of the over 40 moms I know have autistic kids. I have seen them in the peds office and they are usually young and more than one child is autistic or have problems. I think the problem is genetic coupled with some outside agent combo we don't know.
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04.09.12, 01:14 PM
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I think (no evidence, just hunch) that it is genetic caused by environment that is speeding up gene mutation. And happens more (but not exclusively) to older parents because the longer you live, the more chance you have of exposure to or of accumulating toxins.
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04.09.12, 12:58 PM
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exactly, that's what I'm thinking about being exposed to more toxins as you get older since they accumulate in your body. same thing can be linked to obesity as chances of accumulating toxins increase with gaining more fat tissue. I wish they would mention about obese moms' diets. do they eat organic food with less pollutants? or just obesity itself regardsless wht you put in your body is a factor?
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04.09.12, 01:01 PM
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In general you will not find a lot of obese organic eaters.
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04.09.12, 01:04 PM
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OP-I became obese during my pregnancy. I was eating mostly organic or healthy food like non-gmo, no antibiotics etc. I have a huge capacity to eat tons of carbs which can make you easily obese overtime as was my case. I started with 135pounds and ended up with 235+
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04.09.12, 01:10 PM
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Not to hijack this, but how did you lose it? Was a lot water? Just curious.
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04.09.12, 01:21 PM
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some of it (30pounds) did vanish on its own right after the birth of DB in a few weeks. some more (15-20 pounds) did go with more normal (no diet) eating and breastfeeding. after DB turned 1 and refused breastfeeding I started a rigirous exercise and 1200-1400cal diet. in about 5-6 months I was around 150pound. shedding off rest of it was more diffciult and took almost a year. but key was exercise and diet. for exercise I did lots of running and some weights.
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04.09.12, 01:26 PM
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^^^ rest was difficult bc I couldn't stick to exercise after going back to work.
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04.09.12, 01:28 PM
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That sounds doable. Tough but doable! Good for you.
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04.09.12, 01:30 PM
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If anyone knows the answer to this, it will definitely be a random person on an internet message board.
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04.09.12, 12:59 PM
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Nobody knows and no one study is conclusive. Bits and pieces over here and there. I think sharing experiences is still valuable.
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04.09.12, 01:12 PM
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Especially thin, young moms.
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04.09.12, 01:13 PM
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Who sah.
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04.09.12, 01:14 PM
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Baby vaccines don't contain mercury anymore.
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04.09.12, 01:19 PM
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Oh sure. Throw in facts. Next you are going to say that Jenny McCarthy didn't cure her autistic kid by rubbing him with honey and rolling him in strawberry Starbursts for three days in a row.
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04.09.12, 01:33 PM
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the flu vaccine does
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04.09.12, 01:52 PM
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Only the multi dose.
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04.09.12, 02:01 PM
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most parents are clued in enough to request one or the other. especially the ones getting their doses at walmart or walgreens or wherever.
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04.09.12, 02:09 PM
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^^^aren't
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04.09.12, 02:37 PM
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Some studies point toward vitamin D deficiency as a possible reason: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=vitamin-d-and-autism
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04.09.12, 01:32 PM
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that's interesting.
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04.09.12, 01:45 PM
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Rise in autism does correspond to decrease in exposure to sun in pregnant women and in babies.
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04.09.12, 01:50 PM
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Do you know if taking vitamin D in pill form helps? Does the source of vitD has to be natural sunlight?
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04.09.12, 01:52 PM
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I believe it's mercury in the water, fish, and our blood.
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04.09.12, 01:40 PM
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Is nobody here familiar with statistics? The arguments on this post are kind of astounding. It's now well established that autism risk grows with paternal age. That doesn't mean that young parents cannot have an autistic child. It means as paternal age goes up THE RISK of having an autistic child goes up. But the vast majority of the increase in cases can be accounted for by diagnostic creep. This is especially clear because the number of severely autistic children has not increased, except for in certain populations like migrant workers (in which environment probably plays a role). The increase in cases tends to be for mild cases, such as asperger's, which come with special services--and they tend to occur in high-income families that live near other families with children who have a diagnosis. The diagnosis of ASDs spreads through social networks in affluent communities. It's about social environment--not about toxic chemicals.
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04.09.12, 03:30 PM
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statistics also show that regardless of maternal and paternal age autism is on the rise.
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04.09.12, 03:41 PM
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I heard and read that autism is on the rise in affluent communities because they have more access to better healthcare and diagnostics. also more on the rise because there are better diagnostic technics than 10-20 years ago. not sure what to believe anymore.
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04.09.12, 03:44 PM
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I recently listened to a special report on autism on PBS and they had many guests. One particular from the CDC stated that the higher numbers are NOT because of the increases in diagnoses and she had many reasons to back this up, one main being that they still count the same. She really made it sound like an epidemic.
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04.09.12, 08:43 PM
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