I've been a hiring manager for over 5 years, and this is a PSA. Ladies, when you go in for an interview, please remove your giant diamond rings. Please. Many people out there do not share your aesthetics or your cultural values, and the diamond carries a huge stigma for many many individuals. I work at a non-profit, and when I interview someone who is sporting a huge diamond, I immediately deduct points from that person. I talked about this with some of my colleagues today, and they feel the same way. It's just an unnecessary risk when you interview. Diamonds are offensive to many many people, so don't risk it, leave the ring at home.
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08.09.11, 01:33 PM
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hahaha this is SAD!
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08.09.11, 01:34 PM
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np: it's sad that you have no idea what she's talking about
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08.09.11, 01:35 PM
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Interesting. I guess a veil on a Muslim woman would also be out of line (given it's about her "cultural values").
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08.09.11, 01:35 PM
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were any children mutilated to make that veil?
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08.09.11, 01:36 PM
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np Polar diamonds are conflict free. Should their wearers have to wear tags stating as much?
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08.09.11, 01:39 PM
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just pointing out that its nothing like a veil.
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08.09.11, 01:41 PM
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How is a veil less about cultural values than a diamond?!
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08.09.11, 02:21 PM
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The OP states that "the diamond carried a huge stigma". That stigma probably has to do with the unethical way dimaonds are mined. That's nothing like a veil. Get it?
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08.09.11, 04:35 PM
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08.09.11, 01:49 PM
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OP: Hardly the same thing, in my opinion, and when it comes to hiring for these position, it's my opinion that matters. I consider diamonds unethical and even offensive.
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08.09.11, 03:32 PM
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NP Then you have a bias that is discriminatory - and possibly even actionable.
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08.09.11, 04:28 PM
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Hardly. She is not discriminating based on race or religion. She can claim that someone who wears a diamond to an interview for a job that has to deal with helping victims of the diamond trade is unqualified for the position because they lack the necessary qualities to do the work right. Just like PETA can refuse to hire someone who always wears fur -- it is in conflict with company policy.
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08.09.11, 04:31 PM
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Nah. Especially in her case, since her work focuses on fighting the diamond trade (or working with victims of it). But I don't even think it's a big deal in other corporate settings. You can say that someone is not a good fit for the company, and unless your reasons are gender, race, age, or religion based, you are well in your rights.
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08.09.11, 04:35 PM
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Poster above - didn't see that it was an African related NFP. Withdrawn.
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08.09.11, 05:29 PM
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Np: then why would you want to tell people not to wear them? Don't you want to know who to avoid?
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08.09.11, 08:45 PM
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so you can't wear your diamond wedding ring if you interview at a non-profit? What if you end up working there?
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08.09.11, 01:35 PM
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how sad that you take such nonsense into your hiring decision.
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08.09.11, 01:35 PM
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Yeah seriously OP is a jealous wench.
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08.09.11, 01:37 PM
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jealous of what?
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08.09.11, 03:35 PM
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np - It cracks me up that people think she's jealous. We all come from completely different planets.
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08.09.11, 03:53 PM
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YES that is it in a nutshell
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08.19.11, 09:07 PM
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OP: Our work deals with women and children in Africa, a good portion of whom suffered greatly due to the diamond trade in that region. Somebody who comes to the interview wearing a diamond is clearly unaware of the issues and is not a good fit for our organization or the position.
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08.09.11, 03:33 PM
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You might have mentioned that in the PSA. For some companies/jobs, it might be seen as an asset...
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08.09.11, 04:18 PM
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Sure, if you are interviewing at Zales or DeBeers, I guess that would be ok. But many educated people today are very sensitive about this issue, so why not be cautious? Is wearing a diamond SO important to you that you would want to risk offending a potential employer? Do you feel the same way about people who insist on wearing their favorite fur coat, no matter what others may feel about it?
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08.09.11, 04:21 PM
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I wear a hand-me-down diamond so I have no skin in But you have to admit that you are likely to be more aware of it than most.
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08.09.11, 05:35 PM
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Oops! I have skin. Don't wear engagement ring out much, so don't have this issue.
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08.09.11, 05:37 PM
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Soooo then wouldn't you want the person to show their true colors so that you don't hire a wrong fit?
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08.09.11, 04:24 PM
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LOL that's one way to look at it.
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08.09.11, 04:27 PM
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08.09.11, 08:47 PM
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I work in a nonprofit and I couldn't disagree more. Where that person went to school and her work experience speaks more to me. I mean, unless we're talking 5 carat and above, who cares?
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08.09.11, 01:37 PM
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You work for a non-profit so you're offended by the trappings of profit.
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08.09.11, 01:37 PM
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I work at a nonprofit and DH is in IB. No one really gives a sh*t.
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08.09.11, 01:40 PM
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OP: I work for an organization that focuses largely on the suffering of women and children in Africa, many of whom are suffering due to the diamond trade in that region. I am also personally sensitive to the ethical implications of diamonds. Yes, I do take that into account when making hiring decisions, so do other managers in my group.
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08.09.11, 03:34 PM
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It is ridiculous that you can make such a broad statement. Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, you only notice the diamonds because you work in a field that focuses on the suffering of people in Africa? Do you think that for regular, mainstream, non-African-suffering jobs, interviewers would never think about this at all?
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08.09.11, 03:59 PM
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np I think most well-educated people are aware of the ethical implications of the diamond trade... or they should be. Didn't they even make a hollywood movie about it? Fur is never Ok, but diamonds are? If you buy something and wear it, you should be aware of what it represents (in the case of diamonds: death, suffering, and exploitation).
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08.09.11, 04:13 PM
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OP works in an industry related to the African diamond trade, and therefore has an issue with interviewees wearing diamonds. We can't assume that all, or even most, hiring managers in unrelated fields would have the same thoughts when interviewing an applicant wearing a diamond.
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08.09.11, 04:32 PM
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I think it's better to be safe than sorry. I think that many people out there, especially educated and well-informed people, are aware of the ethical implications of the diamond trade. Why risk offending somebody?
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08.09.11, 04:34 PM
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How ridiculous! You posted that blanket statement as a PSA to all. How many people here are applying to work at a non-profit that focuses on the suffering of women and children in Africa? I bet NO ONE.
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08.09.11, 05:37 PM
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If you care so much about the
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08.09.11, 08:46 PM
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So then you must ask all your male candidates if they purchase diamonds for their wives/girlfriends, right? Because as part of an organization focused on women and children you would NEVER want to be involved in any kind of gender-based, discriminatory hiring.
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08.09.11, 08:52 PM
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seriously, i hope you're in the minority cause you sound RIDICULOUS
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08.09.11, 01:38 PM
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Clearly you are un-informed about the awful diamond trade and the suffering and pain that it causes to so many people. I seriously hope that YOU are in the minority.
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08.09.11, 04:16 PM
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Sadly I think many people are uninformed about this and are proud of their diamonds. And they actually think other people are jealous!
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08.09.11, 04:28 PM
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I find it very hard to believe that in this day and age someone can be uninformed about this? We are a culture of researchers... we know the ingredients of every product that we ingest; we boycott clothing made in sweatshops, and so on, and still, we turn a blind eye to the exploitative diamond industry?
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08.09.11, 04:32 PM
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Sorry, but half of what you mentioned isn't on most people's radar. I know it's not on mine. If you do enough research I'm sure just about every industry is exploitative. I love my diamond ring and wouldn't stop wearing for an interview. If I wasn't hired because of it, then clearly that's not a place I would want to work. Don't want/need to work with people who have a problem with my ring.
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08.19.11, 08:32 AM
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I hire also and diamond rings have no bearing on my decision. I hire people that I believe are qualified and personable and who I think can do a great job. I don't work in a non-profit though so maybe if your business doesn't revolve around revenue you don't worry about nonsense like... qualifications.
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08.09.11, 01:39 PM
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Yuck. Unnecessary dig.
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08.09.11, 05:38 PM
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NP: thank you.
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08.19.11, 08:33 AM
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I've been a hiring manager for 25 years and this is the most bullshit thing I've ever heard. I'm a man and frankly I don't even notice rings. Sadly, however, you all had better follow this whack-job's advice, since apparently not everyone is as fair or sensible as I am.
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08.09.11, 01:42 PM
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NP: my gut reaction of a woman who walked in with a big diamond ring for a non-profit job - would be good she obviously has money from some other source so she has time and money to take a lower paid non-profit job.
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08.09.11, 02:06 PM
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I would think the same thing. They don't need the money. Also on the flip side, if she were walking in for a high paying IB job I would think she was working hard and wanted to earn that money so she can continue to live in the style in which she were accustomed.
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OP: The organize is a non for profit, but our employees get paid competitive salaries commensurate with their education and expertise. Would you wear a fur coat for an interview with PETA?
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08.09.11, 03:36 PM
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^^^ The organization, sorry. And someone below made the analogy to fur much more effectively, so that's pretty much all I have to say. Not meaning to start a war or hurt anyone's feelings.
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08.09.11, 03:53 PM
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I guess if your organization deals with vicitms of blood diamonds then this a fair comparison and I would expect that anyone who would like to work for your organization which raised money to help victims of blood diamonds would not be interested in wearing one - but then again mabybe it is a cubic zirconia how would I know? Then again you never said that is what your organization does, a not-for-profit could be a charter school for all we know.
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08.11.11, 09:54 AM
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What type of job was this for. That was a big mistake if you are hiring her for development...
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08.09.11, 01:44 PM
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And this is why HR is a joke. I'd much rather interview with the person who would be my boss.
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08.09.11, 01:46 PM
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THANK YOU.
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08.09.11, 01:48 PM
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Itttta! Most HR execs are hopelessly stupid about the "business" of their own companies. They're fine for handling your benefits and processing expense reports, but they absolutely should not be given any actual hiring authority.
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08.09.11, 01:50 PM
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when they asked me 20 years ago what animal I would be was the so called straw that broke the camels back. I should have said a camel - meaning I'd work through even having to go to the bathroom. These questions are so stupid.
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08.09.11, 02:13 PM
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oh this was AMEX
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08.09.11, 02:16 PM
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THIS.
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08.09.11, 01:52 PM
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ITA. They think they're the "gatekeepers" but they have very little knowledge about the job or business they're hiring for. Complete waste of time and space.
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08.09.11, 02:02 PM
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OP: I do not work in HR. I am the hiring manager, in charge of my group. I lead a team of 12 people, and I hire those who report to me.
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08.09.11, 03:35 PM
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sure you do
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08.09.11, 04:18 PM
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not OP but HR do not have power over hiring, they are just administrators.
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08.09.11, 04:19 PM
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they have the power to diss a person so they never get to see the person they would be working for. Happens all the time. They only send the candidates they think are good on to the next person.
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08.19.11, 05:19 AM
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np I work for a non-profit, and we don't even have an HR department. I guess we have a few people who manage benefits and such, but in my experience, organizations like that do not put any hiring decisions in the hands of whatever you might think of as HR.
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08.09.11, 04:22 PM
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Are you serious??? I'm a manager who has been hiring and interviewing people for 20+ years and I would never think anything about a diamond. For all you know a monster rock is a cherished family heirloom. I think you're just jealous of people who seem to have money.
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08.09.11, 02:07 PM
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Are you unaware about the ethical implications of diamonds? Even if it's an heirloom, it's still making a bad statement. Do you also wear fur?
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08.09.11, 03:40 PM
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ITA and good point. How would you feel about someone who was wearing a fox fur coat? After all, for all you know, it was made from animals that died of natural causes.
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08.09.11, 03:50 PM
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really - are you serious? You have no idea where the diamond came from or how old it is or if it is even real....you sound so petty
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08.09.11, 02:11 PM
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OP: Because of what I know first hand about the diamond trade, I find all diamonds to be offensive. I realize that there are some small quantity of ethically mined diamonds being sold today, but if you wear a diamond, you are making a statement that diamonds are Ok, and that you are insensitive about the moral and ethical implications of the diamond trade. Considering my experience and my line of work, that's just not acceptable.
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08.09.11, 03:38 PM
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glad I am not looking for work in a nonprofit
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08.09.11, 04:22 PM
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It makes me sad that so many people are so insensitive about this issue. I know OP was trying to make a point about interviewing, but there are always people on this board who just love their blood diamonds, and it's pathetic and sad. Ugh. I have to collapse this thread, because people like you make me loose all hope in my fellow humans.
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08.09.11, 04:25 PM
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People like you make me lose hope that people will someday learn the difference between loose and lose.
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08.09.11, 04:52 PM
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lool
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08.09.11, 08:44 PM
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How would you feel about someone who showed up for an interview wearing a full length fox fur coat, trimmed with a baby seal collar? You have no idea where the fur came from or how old it is or if it's even real. Maybe it was made from the skins of animals who died of natural causes!
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08.09.11, 03:51 PM
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LOL and so true.
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08.09.11, 04:19 PM
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THIS
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08.09.11, 04:28 PM
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Ita. I think it's ridiculous that fur is not Ok but diamonds are just fine. I love animals, but I love children more. Is it just that people are uninformed about the diamond trade? In this day and age, I find that so hard to believe.
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08.09.11, 04:29 PM
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I will be honest if it was me, I would be like "honey that fur is fabulous, where did you get it" I can't wait until I'm over 40, so I can rock a full length fur. I think on younger women they can age you. Last winter was brutal, which I had a cute short fur.
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08.19.11, 08:38 AM
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I agree. I worked for companies where it would have been considered tacky and jappy to wear big diamonds. Honestly, any diamonds were considered uncool.
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08.09.11, 02:19 PM
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I work at a University, and when I hire, these little things make a difference to me too. How can any educated person be unaware about the statement that they are making when they wear a diamond? It's even worse than showing up to an interview in a full-length mink coat.
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08.09.11, 03:39 PM
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This.
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08.09.11, 03:48 PM
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OP: Yes, this is how I feel precisely.
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08.09.11, 03:49 PM
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I recently stopped wearing my diamond jewelry because I became sensitive to the issues in Africa (through a friend who works in that domain), but even before that time, I always thought it was kind of tacky to wear diamonds so casually, in an office or during the day. Maybe I was brought up in an old-fashioned way, but I always considered diamonds part of evening wear, and not appropriate for the office.
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08.09.11, 03:48 PM
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Wow, you are way over thinking the issue of jewelry. Let's all be plain Janes and never adorn ourselves lest someone think we're 'tacky'.
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08.19.11, 05:03 AM
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And THIS is why we should all strive to work for ourselves...so we don't have to kiss hiring managers' asses at job interviews, and waste any time worrying about their "cultural values."
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08.09.11, 03:57 PM
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So you think that children dying for the sake of your sparkly bling is Ok?
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08.09.11, 04:14 PM
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Still, many people are currently interviewing for jobs that they really need, and it's important to be aware of sensitive issues. You wouldn't wear fur to an interview, you probably wouldn't even wear a large religious symbol (like a cross or a star of david) and you really shouldn't wear diamonds either, which is far more offensive (and rightfully so) than fur or religion.
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08.09.11, 04:15 PM
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OR: And where do you draw the line? There are lots of crazy issues out there that people feel strongly about. Should I not wear leather shoes, lest it upset a vegan hiring manager? Should I not bring a printed copy of my resume, so as not to offend an environmentalist?
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08.09.11, 04:42 PM
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^^I went to Berkeley for undergrad and believe me when I say that everything out there is offensive to SOMEBODY.
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08.09.11, 04:43 PM
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Obviously there is no way to cover all bases, but this is something that's pretty easy to do. Don't wear a diamond ring, don't wear a fur coat. That's not hard, is it?
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08.09.11, 04:44 PM
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What do you do when you get the job, and show up in your big honking diamond ring? Or never wear it again?
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08.09.11, 04:51 PM
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Are you going to ask the men who work for you if they bought their wives a diamond ring? Your position is pretty indefensible and discriminatory.
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08.19.11, 05:04 AM
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How do you feel about amethysts? I have one from my great grandmother and like to wear it.
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08.09.11, 04:16 PM
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I am not OP but I think the issue is with diamonds, because they are so unethical. I am not a jeweler, but it's my understanding that there are ample supplies of amethysts all over the world, and that they are mined ethically, so I doubt anyone would have a problem with that kind of jewelry.
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08.09.11, 04:17 PM
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I think this is good advice for everyone... well except for those who are interviewing at DeBeers.
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08.09.11, 04:19 PM
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I work in finance, when I also make hiring decisions (not HR), and I think that this is good advice. While the issues of diamond mining are more significant in OP's field, I still think it's better to leave the diamond (and the fur coat) at home when you come in for an interview. Many people are sensitive about these issues (I admit that I am, both about diamonds and fur), so why risk offending your potential employer?
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08.09.11, 04:23 PM
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I'm an IT director at a finance firm, and ITA. People on this board obsess about whether they should wear stockings to an interview, but they don't give any thought about the message that they are sending about themselves when they show up with a huge blood diamond on their hand (I know, I know, all UBers wear ethically mined Canadian diamonds or 400 year old heirlooms).
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08.09.11, 04:26 PM
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Not a hiring manager, but ITA, and thank you. Encouraging to know that there are people like you out there who dislike diamonds for the pain and suffering that they cause to so many, rather than because they are "jealous."
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08.09.11, 04:28 PM
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OP: Ok, I am back, and I didn't realize the ruckus this would cause. I didn't mean to offend anyone. I just hope that people show up for interviews well prepared. My work deals with victims in Africa, many of whom suffer due to the diamond trade. If you read our mission statement or know anything about our work, you should realize that wearing a diamond to the interview is sending a bad message. People who work here do not like diamonds. I know that lot of people in the US love their diamonds, and maybe other managers in other companies just don't care, but as someone else pointed out above, this is a pretty sensitive issue, and it's probably a good idea to be aware of it. I know people here obsess about what clothes to wear and whether to wear stockings or not to an interview, so obviously making a good impression is important.
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I know you were trying to be helpful, but you better collapse right now before all the hate comes out. People here love their diamonds and don't care about anything else. It's their right to wear them, and it's their right to drive SUVs and wear fur and live in McMansions. That's the way it is. People love their bling, and if you don't, you must be jealous.
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08.09.11, 04:40 PM
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I work on Wall Street and the last time I was interviewing for a job, three very senior women that I spoke with as advisers told me the exact same thing (One flat out said it and then I asked the other two their opinion on the matter). Had nothing to do with ethical issues of diamonds and has to do with the people you are meeting making an instant judgement on your financial situation (and your husband's) and how hard you are going to work and how long you plan on staying in the field.
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08.09.11, 05:20 PM
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but if you've had that ring for 10 years, isn't this pure BS? 3 very senior women, huh? It figures. why do women hold each other back so much??
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08.09.11, 05:38 PM
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Probably three SINGLE senior women.
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08.09.11, 06:05 PM
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ita. makes me sick to my stomach.
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08.09.11, 06:10 PM
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hi, can this poster please contact me: katie.bindley at huffingtonpost.com. im writing a story about this issue and would love to hear more about the advice you were given on rings while interviewing for finance positions. thanks!
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08.11.11, 11:56 AM
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Do any of you hiring managers ask what the person's spouse does/who the spouse works for/etc.?
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08.09.11, 05:44 PM
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not OP, but we don't.
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08.09.11, 05:50 PM
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good. can i ask your industry? you could say profit or non-profit, if you want.
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08.09.11, 05:54 PM
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university research
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08.09.11, 06:01 PM
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ok, thanks.
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08.09.11, 06:06 PM
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If you only wear your wedding band to the interview, but then you show up for work with your rock engagement ring, isn't that considered lying in the interview????
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08.09.11, 05:52 PM
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WHAT? Your marital status isn't a part of the interview process, neither is you jewelry box. If I wear hoops to an interview and then wear studs on my first day...is that lying? you're dumb.
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08.19.11, 07:26 AM
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Why do you assume they are real diamonds? You're making a big leap.
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08.09.11, 06:00 PM
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That's completely fine. I have been working in non-profits for years and this is the exact type of group of people I would be happy to avoid. Not hiring me would just be a favor.
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08.09.11, 06:30 PM
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I've hired dozens of people at my nonprofit over the years and honestly couldn't tell you if any of them even WEAR diamonds or what their jewelry was. I can remember every detail of the interviews, their cover letters, and their previous experience, though.
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08.09.11, 07:25 PM
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*rolls eyes*
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08.09.11, 08:41 PM
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You suck! You are the reason that HR has a bad name. There are lot of us that actually hire on merit not what is on the persons finger or some other random excuse. Check your own issues at the door in the am and hire the person that is qualified not who fit your stupid profile.
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08.09.11, 09:54 PM
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this is stupid! do what if she has a big diamond- GET OFF the soapbox- the diamond carrys a stigma for people who let it- what about those designer suits, which many could get materials or workman ship for overseas using CHILD LABOR- d ducting points for the items a person has on their person is DISCRIMINATION- If you are so concerned about the diamonds ladies wear- go after the mining companies and stores who sell them- NOT the person who has one- you should be fired for UNFAIR hiring practices. maybe you should leave your JUDGEMENTS at home
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08.18.11, 12:24 PM
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Yikes, the author of this post is very superficial. She/he doesn't even know where the diamond ring originated and is already indignant about it? Diamonds mined in Canada are very much available on the U.S. market and no one has been killed in their mining. Honestly, you should judge someone by their jewelry because you are guilty of making a snap judgement. Good thing we don't know your name or where you work. Couldn't you be sued for discrimination?
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08.19.11, 04:58 AM
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This amounts to little more than discrimination against married women...especially those who are affluent. What does "aesthetics or cultural values" have to do with being married? A ring of any size is a symbol of a wedded union. Diamonds never offend women (and many men!) If you can afford it, flaunt it has always been the cry of every woman I know, past and present, and of every man who buys them! Just because a woman's diamond is a big one does not mean she should be 'penalized' because you are either not married or your diamond ring is smaller! Give us all a break and get another line of work. Sounds like this 'hiring' manager is just jealous of what she does not have. Grow up.
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08.19.11, 07:21 AM
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Your PSA should read, when you are interviewing for a job, research the company and what they stand for. Your company specifically deals with the effect of the diamond trade so someone interviewing for it, had they researched, wouldn't wear a large diamond to the interview. Whether a person chooses to wear a diamond or not to a job interview shouldn't matter. Question: If a person didn't wear their diamond to the interview, but wore it once they were hired. What would you do?
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08.19.11, 08:24 AM
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"Diamonds are offensive to many many people..." Really? Name one (other than yourself)? You're an example of what's wrong with this country...forcing the majority to change the way they see the world based on the world views of the more vocal minority.
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08.19.11, 09:00 PM
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The OP is a bitter jealous shrew who envies and thus despises people who have more than she does. Lets see --I think its immoral to permit illegal immigrants to stay in the control to get used as cheap labor while we pay their health care and for their childrens schooling via out tax dollars so if I see people I am interviewing eating fruit that I suspect is the product of a Mexican migrant picker's labor I take points of that person's application.
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08.19.11, 09:06 PM
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