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  • [-]Had to give up breastfeeding at 6 weeks due to db having a milk protein allergy, and although I know that it was necessary, I am still upset that I had to give it up. I know I tried as much as I could, even went on a dairy free diet and everything. I am not depressed or anything, but I'm totally obsessed. I see others breastfeeding their babies, and I get so upset that I had to stop. Anyone bt?

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    11.19.09, 04:17 PM [ Flag ]
    • yup. dc had milk protein allergies AND i have inverted nipples AND he had latch issues AND i had mastitis AND i had ppd. i pumped for 7 months and felt like sh&t because i couldn't do more. but you know what? i did what i could and so have you. your dc will be healthy and happy and will never remember if he was bf'd or not. let go and enjoy your beautiful db.

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      11.19.09, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Yes. My first had severe latch issues--even after 2 months of pumping and trying everything, lactations consultants, etc, I gave up. I felt terrible about it, and wondered what I did wrong--she just never took to it! I've since had 3 children who all breastfed easily, so I still wonder why it didn't work out with dd.

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      11.19.09, 04:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • had to give it up too. Pumped for four months, it never really took. DS is now almost 2 y.o. and really bright and healthy. It just doesn't matter all that much. Just keep being the best mom you can be and all will be fine.

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      11.19.09, 04:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I have BTDT. My child had/has severe reactions to dairy as well as bad reflux and I powered through. Proud to say he's never had an ounce of formula. It was brutal but has gotten much better. Why was it necessary to give up bf-ing? How come modifying your diet didn't have an impact?

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      11.19.09, 05:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I couldn't bf either because my dd was biting down (with her gums) and I ended up with welts and bruises. I used to cry when bottle feeding her and would go into the breastfeeding rooms when we were out b/c I felt like all the BF moms were judging me. She is now 2, smart and everything but the regret I have hasn't gone away. I actually cried for about a week b/c I wanted to but I just couldn't.

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      11.19.09, 05:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm not a mom, just curious. Are babies allergic to the mom's own milk protein or the protein of other animals (ex. cow) which may have entered the breastmilk?

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      11.19.09, 09:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • The latter. Babies are never allergic to breastmilk. They have reactions to the cow's milk proteins that enter the breastmilk from the mother's diet.

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        11.20.09, 05:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • That's what I was thinking also..it wouldn't make sense for so many babies to be allergic to human milk (evolutionarily maladaptive). However, plz don't flame, i myself was only bf for 2 months so I am not criticizing formula feeding people in any form.

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          11.20.09, 08:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I exclusively bf for two months and then was told that my baby was not gaining well due to acid reflux. Freaked me out (even though doc and husband assured me no big deal), completely undermined my self-confidence that I knew what to do. I started supplementing with formula and stopped bfeeding around 4 months. I regret it everyday (dd now 7 months, is fine and wonderful but can't believe that I just didn't stick with it)

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      11.20.09, 06:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I'm sorry this was your experience. I think what you describe is common and that more women would breastfeed through these types of challenges if the social support were there. Sorry you didn't have that. Stinks to have regret. But I'm sure your dd is healthy and thriving, so enjoy!

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        11.20.09, 07:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Thanks ! I bf longer than most of my friends (sad, but true) and my mom didn't quite 'get it'. If we have another then I'm going whole hog !

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          11.20.09, 07:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm surprised the with a totally dairy free diet that you couldn't have kept going.

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      11.20.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: me too.

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        11.20.09, 07:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • btdt and it's harder than it seems if you eat out a lot (i was a wohm, lots of business lunches and takeout or pre-made dinners). waiters would swear there was no cheese in something and there would be. and my dc was VERY sensitive. chocolate would cause problems.

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          11.20.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Yes, me too--esp with other kids to cook for, it's really hard to go nondairy and one slip up can cause major problems. Don't judge.

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            11.20.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Not judging. I'm the me too poster and am actively dairy free right now with my nursing infant. It's an absolute pain, I know!! I don't need to be told it's harder than it seems...it seems hard and is hard. But it's doable.

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              11.20.09, 06:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • sometimes people think they are dairy free, but not. daity is everywhere in the form of whey, cassein. also, some babies who react to dairy also react to soy, which is also everywhere (soy lecithin in bread). signed, mom who gave up all traces of dairy and soy for 12 months of bfing.

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        11.20.09, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]I am going to get flamed but here we go, schools process is stressful for everyone no matter your position. Dh and I legacy at two TTs and everyone is snippy, sour and waiting for us to fail which is more than possible. Sucks.

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    11.20.09, 01:35 PM [ Flag ]
    • It brings out the worst in people ... some people

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      11.20.09, 01:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Which just goes to show that it does matter whether you went to a TT school...maybe you are more sensitive to it because you've bought into the hype?

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      11.20.09, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Exactly what I mean, that comment says it all. Always a backhanded comment from someone. People who did not go to TT buy into it, my comment is not that we will die if DC does not get in, it is the way people are practically cheering for it to happen.

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        11.20.09, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • This is a total "stroke me" complaint...just like when an obviously pretty girl complains about people telling her she's pretty or treating her like an object. You are just looking for validation when you whine like this. Have some dignity. If you need a compliment, just ask for one--don't try to get it out of people by "complaining" about your privileged life. Pathetic in a big way.

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          11.20.09, 03:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • NP -- uh, NO. Maybe you need to criticize because you are jealous? My family has a connection at a school and we are stressed too, OP you have my sympathy. Having a connection is like being the chess wiz, everyone EXPECTS you to win, and in some ways the stress is higher.

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        11.20.09, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Thank you, we don't feel like dc is smarter than any other it has to do with us it is like the parents are hoping that we don't get in. And, let me remind everyone, if we do get in it will only ever be because we are 'connected' and dc is a dolt.

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          11.20.09, 02:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • of course parents are hoping you won't get in. there are a limited number of spots and if you don't get in their dc has a better chance.

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            11.20.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Right, that is the only reason. Care to address my 2nd point?

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              11.20.09, 02:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Is your other point that you are connected? Obviously that helps. Schools even say so. That doesn't imply that your dc is a dolt but it does mean they have an advantage so if there are two equal dcs, yours and an unconnected, yours would more likely get in. Of course the unconnected parents resent that.

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                11.20.09, 04:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Dh and I were in the same boat. Now one dc is at tt and one isn't.

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      11.20.09, 01:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Our dcs too. Sucks. Same scores, 2nd round hunter etc etc, the tt said they just had no room for all the siblings. Feel completely dissed by community.

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        11.20.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Funny, my two dcs both had the same erb score and early summer birthdays. One in to tt and one not.

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          11.20.09, 02:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • How does the one who is not perceive what happens? I get questions all the time from the younger one. They grew up in big brothers school, do not really understand why they are not there.

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            11.20.09, 02:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Who is "everyone" that is waiting for you to fail?

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      11.20.09, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • like the person above with the "more sensitive" comment!

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        11.20.09, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OP here thank you, like that woman. Obviously I don't think "everyone" cares it is used as a figure of speech, as you very well know.

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          11.20.09, 02:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • that person is a stranger to you and wouldn't have said anything if you hadn't posted this. unless you tell people you are legacies they don't know. so it seems you could have avoided everyone knowing by not talking about the process so much.

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          11.20.09, 02:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • But isn't it perfectly normal to have talked with your peers about where you grew up and where you went to school? I don't think OP was bragging.

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            11.20.09, 02:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Maybe its just obvious that I went to public grade schools. How do you know people are waiting for you to fail?

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              11.20.09, 02:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Again, above poster is not OP, I am. This is ridiculous obviously you have never lived in new york city.

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                11.20.09, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I do live in NYC. I just don't get that worked up about what others think about me and if they want me to fail. There's nothing to be gained from worrying about it.

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                  11.20.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • "don't ask, don't tell" -- yeah, right! Why can't OP feel the stress and share with people? or perhaps we should get rid of UB altogether? Why does anyone post on here? I still read sour grapes in your comment!

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            11.20.09, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • 1. I am not first poster 2. Right, like your preschool isn't small enough for everyone to already know where you grew up and went to school in an environment like this!

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            11.20.09, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • np: seriously? pretty sure that none of the parents at my son's preschool could tell you where i went to high school. it has never come up. a few of the ones i am closer to could probably tell you where i went to college, because it figures into my life more (met dh there).

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              11.20.09, 02:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Should have gone public then

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      11.20.09, 02:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • The process was completely unstressful for us last year. We're in a zone where we could live with the public school, DC got into half the schools we applied to, and a good G&T. There wasn't a stressful point during the whole thing.

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      11.20.09, 04:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]What's the funniest, best, worst thing your DC has done on a school interview/playdate?

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    11.17.09, 04:02 PM [ Flag ]
    • ^^ Mine, for preschool, said not one word the whole time, kept lips tightly pursed and looked at DOA like she was insane when she tried to get the group singing the ABCs. Hard to describe but it was a look that seemed to say "Where did you come up with that stupid song, and why on earth are you singing to me"

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      11.17.09, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Best, To DOA, "Excuse me, but would you mind if I stayed here all afternoon? I like it here" Worst, other dc sat in corner picking nose, refusing to participate.

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      11.17.09, 04:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • not mine, but friend's dc tore all the pictures off the wall at a pretty stiff TT

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      11.17.09, 04:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • best thing was my nephew, at intv for tt entry (he's 12). Asked what his favorite things / hobbies are, he replied: playing video games and watching TV. DOA commented on his 'refreshing honesty' to my sister afterwards. (PS: He got in, but was a sibling and plenty smart, so that helped).

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      11.17.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I know a kid who had an admissions essay question that was something like what would you do with a completely free day, or what have you wanted to try or something. He wrote that he would like to go to a shooting range and/or play paintball because his mother never lets them have toy guns in the house. This was for a Catholic school. He got in.

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        11.17.09, 06:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OR: I love it. It's true, these two anecdotes describe healthy, normal, well rounded boys!!! Whou wouldn't accept them????!!! (biased loving aunt here). At the time though my sis was a bit worried as she wasn't sure how the DOA really meant that "refreshing" ..whether she was ruffled by his pedestrian response or not...

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          11.17.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Yep. Mom of the gun boy was pretty horrified.

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            11.17.09, 06:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • i don't find either of these boys healthy or well-rounded. just because they were accepted with a sib at some third-rate private or parochial. YUCK.

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            11.18.09, 06:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • NP: you and the one above who thinks their kid would never do anything wrong are a real barrel of laughs. LIGHTEN UP!!

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              11.19.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • used a few 5-syllable words

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      11.17.09, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Said, at circle time, she drank chocolate milkshakes for breakfast every day (really protein shake from healthfood store because she was SUCH a slowpoke of an eater in the morning).

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      11.17.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • had an accident......of the poop variety. It was lovely let me tell you! I can laugh about it now, so that good, but it was not so funny then!

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      11.17.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • JCC, teachers took out Brown Bear Brown Bear to read. This was after all this false 'fun' effort at "play". DC sat there with the juice cup in front of him, and burst into tears. Who could blame him. What on earth were we doing there? Who WERE these ppl? He had heard that story about 100 times before...and none of it, from the puzzles to the boring story, was fun. We were politely WL'd.

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      11.17.09, 06:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i think you sound like a nut. it's a preschool playdate -- did you expect them to take out war and peace?

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        11.18.09, 10:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • No, but make an effort to take out an age appropriate book that maybe EVERYONE IN THE WORLD does NOT have and has NOT read A ZILLION TIMES. They're the preschool! They should have a better selection / knowledge than me!

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          11.18.09, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Crawled under a giant globe and howled "there's the Antartica!"

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      11.17.09, 06:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • waiting for the playgroup to start, my dc went around to all the others (they were given paper, books, crayons to amuse them while waiting) and started "correcting" their coloring/letters or reading the books their parents were trying to read to them. DH and I were mortified. It was very odd, as if DC thought this was a competition and he was trying to rattle or impress the others.

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      11.17.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • DC had it correct, in a way. very perceptive kid. Probably not good for dc's chances, but it does show dc knows all too well what is going on. Poor kid.

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        11.17.09, 08:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • For preschool my 2year-old dc reached out to a very well-endowed teaching assitant and after touching her breasts, exclaimed, "WOW what's in there?"

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      11.17.09, 08:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Moving to NYC from out of town, we showed up late. When asked what other schools we were applying to, we said "none", and we didn't say that we were comfortable with our public option. So, we got an intro lecture on the competitiveness of NY private school admissions. Humiliating and didn't show us in a very positive light. WL, ultimately accepted.

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      11.17.09, 09:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • what does this have to do with something your dc did? and, what school asks where else you are applying???

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        11.18.09, 05:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • for a preschool playdate, our 2 year old was playing at the sand table and flicked a shovel full on the kid next to him. the teacher asked him to stop and he did it again. and again. my dh got up and removed him ... we were sitting in a corner and not supposed to intervene. polite wl that should have been a reject. btw, our ds is probably one of the best behaved kids in his preschool class now. the terrible two's were an awful time to do preschool playdates!

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      11.18.09, 08:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i know. there is no way to control them at that age!

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        11.18.09, 10:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • This what kills me about playdates -- they're 2!!! How do you assess a 2-year-old? My 2-year-old is an angel on some days and frankly, acts like a brat on others.

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        11.18.09, 10:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • At Friends ds kept asking when the playdate was going to start. When they eventually told him it was happening right now, he said "that's not true because the room is not like a classroom, it's boring, there's nothing fun to do and the grown-ups are not doing anything interesting, so it can't be a playdate". Feedback was "He did not have a good playdate" YA THINK!!!

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      11.18.09, 10:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Omg, so funny. Where do they do their playdates? Sounds like you have an observant and articulate DS!

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        11.18.09, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Funniest - preschool playdate, just turned 2 - walked into the classroom, went to a corner behind a chair and took a big, stinky dump in her diaper. Then she walked over to me, smiling, "Mommy, poopy." I took her to a bathroom, changed her and brought her back. She promptly walked over to another DC and swiped the toy he was playing with. I thought we were toast. She got in anyway.

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      11.18.09, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • isn't it strange? for preschool the playdate we thought DC rocked was a flat our reject. The two we got into he was questionable at best.

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        11.18.09, 12:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • All of this makes me so nervous! I thought our DC rocked playdate at FC as well, but am really nervous they just want shy kids after reading UB!

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          11.18.09, 06:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Beginnings playdate, many years ago. DC#1 was only 1.5 y.o., and I had just had DC#2 a few weeks before. DC#1 was so jealous she completely regressed, and spent the entire playdate crawling on the floor and babbling like a baby -- all the more humiliating because other kids were reciting colors and counting in Spanish to their adoring parents. We left thinking that we wouldn't want to go to any school that accepted a DC like ours appeared to be that day!

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      11.18.09, 06:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Bribed ds to do Riverdale playdate; we had rented a car & everything. We get there & he refuses to get out of the car. I said (horrible!) "But u won't get any candy if you don't go." He thought about it, then "Ok. I won't have the candy." Good for him!

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      11.19.09, 06:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • after playdate my DS (and everyone else) got a prize for their hard work--DS took prize and said, no thanks I want to go to XYZ (another) school anyway--

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      11.19.09, 07:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Friend took DC to a playdate for PS applying as a very young 2. DC couldn't walk yet and she didn't want it to be used against her so she kept acting like DC was only playing around saying things like "she's so funny, not sure why she wants to crawl today!..."

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      11.19.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Ds was given a small flashlight at the end of one school playdate. He promptly began using it to swordfight with another boy. It broke.

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  • [-]Hollingworth Science camp parents - read your post. Fascinating. If you don't mind - what is he cost of the camp? Thanks

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    11.15.09, 08:33 PM [ Flag ]
    • Are you seriously interested after you read that post?

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      11.16.09, 03:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA, it is insane that people do that for 4 weeks of summer camp. And insane that the camp administration allows that to happen. Only in NY, folks, only in NY.

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        11.16.09, 06:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NP: Not only do they allow it to happen, they get a strange kick out of it. Keep in mind that the science camp is not run by the preschool.

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          11.16.09, 06:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It is 2200 for the month of July. It is a great camp. Yes, it is tough to get into, but for a few hours of pain, your dc can go there for the next 4 or 5 summers. And it is completely untrue and unfair to say they get a kick out of it. We've done the waiting overnight thing twice now for 2 dc and we've found them to be extremely nice and respectful.

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      11.16.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I agree w/you. The admin. does not get a kick out of it. There are just more dc than the camp can accommodate, and this being NYC, the line waiting becomes another endurance trial. That said, the camp is a wonderful learning experience for dc and worth some hours of parental discomfort.

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        11.16.09, 07:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NP: Former Hollingworth Preschool parent here. There are much better ways they could handle the science camp sign-up that would avoid having people line up at 3am and they know it. Lisa likes it.

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          11.16.09, 07:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ITA, a lottery would be much more sane.

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            11.16.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • but then it would be entirely chance whether your kid gets in or not. At least this way, the parent has some control over the process.

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              11.16.09, 08:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • NNP: The process is basically only fair now to people who read UB. Normal people would show up shortly before the stated time, not at 4am. Therefore, they have no chance. It's BS.

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                11.16.09, 08:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • actually, the Hollingworth people were the ones who first warned me that I would have to show up early. They wouldn't tell me how early, but I took it upon myself to figure it out via a UB search. I feel bad for the parents who didn't know, but there's always next year. I noticed that the two parents who arrived at 8 pm the night before were parents who showed up too late the previous year.

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                  11.16.09, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Sorry, this is summer camp, anyone who is interested and able to apply within a reasonable time frame should have a shot at getting a spot for their child. It isn't a question of who is the absolutely freakiest parent who can get there 2 days before and sleep out.

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                11.16.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • ITTTTTTTA

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                  11.16.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I agree with that. I am not sure what the Hollingworth folks get out of this lining up but they should have switched to a lottery.

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                  11.16.09, 09:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I think you should be able to apply for summer camp in March frankly. It's New York, there are a lot of people. As a parent of kids who go there I liked knowing that I had some control about them getting in. It is an amazing camp for kids who enjoy science and I'm determined to find the money for it as long as my kids want to go there. At least you don't have to wait in line every year and they do try to make it nicer with food etc.

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                  11.16.09, 09:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • You idea of getting in is being able to line up in the middle of the night?

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                    11.16.09, 10:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • np: either the lottery will suck or lining up will suck. I think it's better to let parents who really want their kids to attend to be able to do what it takes to get them in, i.e. stand in line for hours. There's a large degree of self-selection here -- kids who come from families where the parents are extremely motivated and involved and want the best for their kids. Not saying that parents who don't line up aren't like that, but the ones who do are definitely like that.

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                      11.16.09, 11:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • NNP: In other words, uber-competitive, PITA parents?

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                        11.16.09, 11:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • it's your judgment that these are PITA parents. I was there and I can tell you that all of the parents I met were very nice and civil and were only there because they wanted to do this for their kids. Nothing wrong with that, imo.

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                          11.16.09, 11:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I never thought civil behavior was noteworthy.

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                          11.16.09, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • You are one of those parents who would have to stand there 36 hours in advance if necessary, right? A lottery would put a stop to your competitiveness. How about the folks that don't have the time to stand in line like that? They are not supposed to have a shot for their children?

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                        11.16.09, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • it's not competitiveness, but you're entitled to view it in the most negative light possible. It's a bunch of parents who are willing to stand in line for their kids. What's wrong with that? And we weren't in line for 36 hrs. More like 5 hrs and it was in the early morning hrs, so it's not as though most of us has other things to do (other than sleep).

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                          11.16.09, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • NP: I guess you just remove all single parent families from the equation unless they want to line up at 4am with their children.

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                          11.16.09, 11:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • ^meant as a reply to the "it's not competitiveness" poster.

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                          11.16.09, 11:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • ask a friend to watch your kid while you stand in line, or hire someone to stand in line. But you're right, it eliminates all the poor, friendless, single moms out there.

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                          11.16.09, 11:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • and there you have it.

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                          11.16.09, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • right, any system going to suck for someone, nothing will be perfect. Oh well.

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                          11.16.09, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • My DD's dance studio has a scene like this when recital tickets go on sale (parents line up hours beforehand to get the "best" seats) and it is so totally about the director's need for drama combined with the parents competitiveness.

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            11.16.09, 11:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: I don't know how else they could do it, other than by lottery. This way seems fairer. And they're not asking parents to line up at 2 am -- it's the parents who do it to make sure their kid gets in.

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        11.16.09, 07:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Agreed. It's like waiting for Shakespeare in the Park tickets or U2 tickets. I'd prefer to wait in line than do a lottery where it's really a pig in a poke.

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          11.16.09, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • All I can say is WOW! I remember sending dcs there about 10 years ago and it certainly was not the scene.

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      11.16.09, 09:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think it's great that the parents are willing to do this, once, for their kids. It's more fair, IMO, than a lottery, which is dumb luck. Can't phone this one in. Parents aren't freaky, or not more than any other place in NYC, for sure - but it does select for families for whom this will be a longtime, valuable experience and they know it.

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      11.16.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • How about poor families with gifted children? The parents will not have the time to line up hours and hours in advance.

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        11.16.09, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np - There are far cheaper camps to go to in NYC - or kids don't even go to summer camp at all.

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          11.16.09, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I live in NYC and think this is ridiculous. A lot of the popular summer camps fill up early (Oct-Nov-Dec). I know when I called Riverdale in Feb to get a spot for my dc that year, I was told they had been filled up in November for his age group. So the next year, I knew better and signed him up in October. Point is, why does H-worth have this line up thing? Why can't they just accept apps (in the mail) starting on X date (with an earlier date for returning campers) and then when an age group fills up, it fills up. But the middle of the night thing is just plain idiotic.

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      11.16.09, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Hollingworth camp only has 30 spots or so for kindergarteners and they fill up in a matter of minutes, not days or weeks. And there are very few spots (1-2) for older grades. So it would be really difficult to accept apps via mail. Admission would then be left up to the efficiency, or lack thereof, of the mail service. You would have people wanting to hand delivery their apps to make sure they get in early enough, and then you'd end up with the same problem. The main issue here is the high demand for very few openings.

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        11.16.09, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ITA about the mail. My dh got in line for dd and if she gets in we're good thru 4th gr. Returning campers get to enroll early. BTW, dh was told 38 spots for K and about 40 spots for older grades.

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          11.16.09, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • but most of the 40 spots are taken by kids already attending (they get priority). SO it ends up being 1-2 spots per gender per grade. I was talking to one guy who said his child was #3 on the list for 1st grade last year and didn't get in.

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            11.16.09, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • This year 38 spaces for K and 40 spots for new campers older than K. 78 spots for new campers. Other than K not sure about number for each grade.

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              11.16.09, 01:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • from what i understand, a lot of the other camps (ramapo, etc) are filled the same way...first come, first seve, so people line up for hours.

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        11.16.09, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • the manhattan edge group still has spots for their summer science camp for next year (summer).

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      11.20.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Nightingale: that is or is not considered tt? Can anyone w/direct experience tell me about it from the point of view of a parent?

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    11.20.09, 09:53 AM [ Flag ]
    • NBS is a solid school, and I know many, many great families there. This board doesn't believe it is "tt", which is fine I guess, but you really need to focus on fit.

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      11.20.09, 09:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Can you describe anything about the culture of the school. Our PSD described it as a bit precious and with some of the finishing school atmosphere. Accurate at all?

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        11.20.09, 10:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: we are not there but i hear it is pretty traditional, structure and rule oriented.

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          11.20.09, 10:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • The lower school is fairly traditional but I would not describe it as precious in any way. There are all sorts of girls and families there. The kids are encouraged to try all sorts of things academically. The structure comes from the school stressing each girls' organization and working on skills to help each on achieve.

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            11.20.09, 10:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • The education is not as good as the other girls schools but that does not mean it is not a great school if that makes sense. NBS appeals to a certain type of family and dd so go in with an open mind and remember you can't go wrong with any of these schools really. GL

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        11.20.09, 11:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Actually, we ended up not applying based on PSD rec, but now I wonder why we didn't bother to investigate on our own. Too late now, but I just wonder. what "type" of family does it appeal to?

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          11.20.09, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Where do you get your information from? As a parent of children at both NBS and Collegiate, I can assure you that NBS is as top notch as Any school period!!!

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          11.20.09, 03:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i'm sure it's a good school academically but when we toured it the parent guide proudly pointed out that the girls are required to carry their books a certain way (against their chest, not hanging from their arms), with their identical pencil cases on top. 'nuff said as far as we were concerned.

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      11.20.09, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • really?

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        11.20.09, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OMG. Are you serious?! THAT would explain why PSD steered us away!!

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        11.20.09, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • funny. when we had our group Q & A with the HOS, she mentioned how it she thought it was so important that they teach the girls how to sew on buttons and set a proper table.

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        11.20.09, 01:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • As a parent of two children there - one in lower school and one in upper - these are crazy comments. I can not see Ms. H. saying anything about sewing as a skill that does anything except help small motor development in the very young, the books thing is nuts - look around during school. People should look for themselves!

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          11.20.09, 02:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NP: As an NBS parent I think the "setting a proper table' comment has suffered a bit of the "telephone" game. Its actually an exercise in planning and stategy. Setting a dinner table is a simple, everyday task that very young students - boys or girls - can do to learn how to make a plan or set a strategy....for example do we set each setting at once or all the plates, then the forks etc. NBS seems to stress the why and how of things and IMO teaches the students to ananlyze and understand why and how things are done...and that's the beginning of critical thinking and innovation.

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          11.20.09, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I know several girls there in high school (kids of friends) and I am always impressed with how poised, smart and nice they are. They are serious about school. I get the feeling they get a TON of homework, testing etc. It sounds like a bit of a grind to me, but they all seem to like it and are very good students as well as social, interesting girls. Has definitely impressed me from afar.

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      11.20.09, 02:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Claremont Prep - please give me your feedback on the school. What do you know about it? Would you send your DB there??? TIA

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    10.26.09, 10:08 AM [ Flag ]
    • No established rep yet since so new. I heard the DOA is former DOA from HM. Friend's kid got in - AA and brilliant - and was offered pitiful amount of financial aid.

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      10.26.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Toured it last year and really liked it. Fabulous facilities. Got into our first choice though

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      10.26.09, 10:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We started recently and have been very happy and feel secure there. It's a little big for us (5 kindergarten classes of 16 kids), but maybe just because we are coming from a different preschool. It has the benefits of a large school through (great afterschool program, great facilities, great extras (DC is doing half year of French twice a week, music program has them singing hard stuff (DC demonstrated warm up vocal scales they do and last week told me the song they are singing is hard and my DC has taken private music lessons for almost 2 years)), etc. Most importantly, I feel that if there were ever any issues (behavior, academic, etc), they would be there in a second to do what it takes to solve this problem. All the heads of the sch...

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      10.26.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • you were cut off! please tell me more!

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        10.26.09, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • what about academics?

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        10.26.09, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • only in K but seems like they have it in hand. Heard from a mom with a 1st and 3rd grader that they have weekly spelling tests. In K math they are learning place value (up to 100), coin values and equivalencies, skip counting, measuring with unifix cubes, general stuff that they prob do at all other privates I would think. They are learning about various parts of a narrative (I can't remember details too well...think it was something about how to give details in different ways, POV, things like that). Also do journals (standard I assume everywhere), handwriting without tears, etc. Also go library (a kind of big one) once a week and do swimming once a week and PE twice a week. I'm sure I'm not doing justice to teachers' efforts, but th...

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          10.26.09, 11:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • also, science class once a week (forgot to mention above but remembered because DC especially likes this class)...also, woodworking once a week for half a year, then art second half (I think).

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            10.26.09, 11:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I don't get it. Dc is in kindergarten and has been taking private music lessons for almost 2 years? What does that mean?

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        10.26.09, 11:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • what's the big deal? DC is 6 and started when 4. Has always had affinity for non vocal music.

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          10.26.09, 11:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I think she literary did not understand what you meant. no big deal; its great your DC is taking music lessons

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          10.26.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • thank you so much for this!

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        10.26.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • My dc also just started in K and so far I am so impressed with the school. I really have a hard time imagining what more he might be getting at a "TT." His teachers are amazing-- better even than at his fancy preschool-- and the parents seem really nice. I like the headmaster very much and agree about the overall professionalism. I think the school has managed to hire very good people who really know what they're doing. It's well organized. The kids in ds' class seem nice, bright. Haven't seen any behavior issues so far. Ds loves it and we're really pleased. I would suggest checking it out if you're interested and don't give too much weight to what you read here. I haven't come across any unhappy parents there yet.

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        10.26.09, 03:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • thank you all for your replies. very helpful

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      10.26.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 2.5 years there. Pulled our son out. There is a culture of Bullying at that school that can no longer be ignored. 80+ families left last year. Parents were promised 2 teachers in each classroom, now it's a shared assistant without telling the families ahead of time. It's a mess, and the headmaster is professional schmoozer who is only interested in getting families to donate. He is not a problem solver, and clearly leans in the favor of the wealthiest families.

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      10.29.09, 10:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ignore this disgruntled vengeful parent. We are v happy w Claremont started in middle school academics are strong, teachers and families and administration all working together to make this school a success.

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        11.20.09, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Did KTSS jack up their prices? $60?! Anyone have last years and want to sell it?

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    10.13.09, 05:11 PM [ Flag ]
    • What is KTSS?

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      10.13.09, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Sorry! I need to keep mine for a few more yrs so I can prep little sibling.

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      10.13.09, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'll put mine on Ebay buy-it-now this Saturday (I have to dig it out way to busy this week- I'm done with it kid got into citywide hope it works for you.

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      10.13.09, 05:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Did your kid mark up the pages?

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        10.13.09, 05:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • nah, you shouldn't let them do that btw - as the K children are not given pencils or anything on test day - really important that they listen and point and not get used to holding a crayon pencil or something - they are not going to be allowed to fill in the ovals - and you don't want them to anyway.

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          10.13.09, 06:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • are you sure? i was told (and I was shocked) that some testers ask the K children if they'd like to mark the answers themselves.

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            10.13.09, 06:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • let me answer it this way, I'm sure that is how it is supposed to be (with incoming K students - it says that in the DOE OLSAT Handout you get when you sign up - flip through it ) and I'm sure that is what happened with my son - OTOH, I also heard (on this board not IRL) that some did not have the same experience and they were using it for grounds for appeal. There is much about this process that is just luck - we were fortunate to get a very experienced teacher who had my son engaged and telling stories as they walked away; I watched another child crying as they went down the hall for testing - that could not have gone well.

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              10.14.09, 01:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • My dd had to bubble and I appealed and won based on that. She had poor fine motor skills and was a bubbling perfectionist - took her an hour and 20 min and she came out looking like she had just done a tour of duty. None of the other kids on that site had to bubble (parents were asking as they came out). THe DOE actually did investigate it - I believe they spoke to the tester and verified.

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              10.14.09, 06:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • you won the right to retake the test? and was it in time to actually be placed in a G&T program?

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                10.14.09, 06:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Yes, we appealed the next day, heard back within a week, and she retook the test 2 weekends later.

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                  10.14.09, 06:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • The year our kid took the OLSAT, there was a lot of conflicting information circulating about whether the child actually had to bubble. So I did have my kid practice bubbling just in case. I think in the actual test, she did not have to bubble.

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            10.14.09, 03:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • The practice test given out with this year's registration has the instructions tell the kid to bubble in the answer. If a pre-k student can't do that simple thing, maybe he shouldn't be wasting anyone's time taking the OLSAT test.

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              10.14.09, 07:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • 4 year olds, especially boys, don't have great find motor skills. You're right that the practice test says to have the children mark the test, however the page right before the practice test has a not for parents of Pre-K children that says they won't have to bubble in but "must be able to clearly indicate with a pencil their answer". I'm not sure what that means -- circling, pointing..?

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                10.14.09, 07:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • get the bright kids one for $30 more. better questions and quality. BTW not affliated with the company and really hate tutoring companies.

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        10.14.09, 11:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • There they are again, spamming away. Their new tag line is that they "hate tutoring companies" to make them look more credible.

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          10.14.09, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Y- no one can believe anything that's said about bright kids. Too bad really. But they did it to themselves.

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            10.14.09, 06:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • that is so funny, I noticed the same thing - I need a life -

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            10.15.09, 10:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Anyone who has actually tried the Bright Kids book, please chime in. I want to purchase it, but don't want to waste money if it's crap. I ordered KTSS already, but my son goes through these things so quickly, I'd like to get something else to give him more practice. Anyone? Anyone?

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              10.15.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • I bought Bright Kids and I'm not impressed. In fact, for some of the questions I think my dc answered correctly and the book is wrong.

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                10.15.09, 10:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • For example, Mark under picture (not 'the' picture) of the animal in between the other two animals that roar. My dc selected the picture of a monkey in between a lion and a tiger. The book says the answers is a lion in between a zebra and a giraffe. IMO, "the other two animals that roar" would have to be the lion and tiger. Roar, not roars, is correct for multiple animals it would be describing the other two animals, not the one in the middle.

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                  10.15.09, 10:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • actually i received the book and they included a correction letter in mine. I work for random house -and you have no idea how common this is. I compeleted two sections and it was great practice for my son.

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                    10.15.09, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • I didn't get a letter with mine. I really don't think having some adults take the test after the book is put together to see if its correct is all that difficult. even if I "have no idea how common this is" the people who are publishing and selling the book should, its part of their business. If its so common they should have looked for errors and had them corrected or even sent a letter to everyone who ordered it.

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                      10.16.09, 04:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I liked the book. The non-verbal visuals are great. I also like the instructions. i reviewed the book. i think that was the only error. that seems like a printing error-it happens in every book(there were 2 confusing ones in KTSS as well-the spicy pizza one one answer was wrong). The math questions are right on as well. The instructions are good. the quetsion about the snake and the cages are very similar to the last OLSAT math question my son had with the horses and the saddles. 200+ questions. i think it was the best one out there (i have them all -call me crazy if you will)

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                  10.15.09, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • I'm just curious - why did you think BK was better than Junior Test Prep because that looked pretty good to me as well.

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                    10.15.09, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • - this question does not get answered - but if you think about it they really should be about the same thing

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                      10.16.09, 04:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • not sure. it is a website with a bunch of books to resell and unclear who wrote the book or what makes it credible. no reserach, no kids to get through. At least BK is a tutoring company who has children who can pilot the book-they can test the questions over and over. The teachers can write startegies and they paid a bunch of experts to help write the book including former consultants form pearson. KTSS and BK should be better because of the contributors and amount of research that went into the production of the books. Also, BK is coming out with a sample test I was able to get a free copy as i agreed to contribue and comment and be a part of the focus group. i like the approach frankly.

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                        10.16.09, 05:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Did Bright Kids actually tell you that they hired experts from Pearson? I highly doubt this is true, and if it is true, why wouldn't they say so? I smell a lawsuit.

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                          10.16.09, 03:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Totally agree. I worked with proprietary information before, and I know that this sounds fishy. Anyone working for Pearson with actual access to the test would have to sign a huge non-disclosure agreement once they left. That test is very well guarded, and it's fine to speculate, but I doubt anyone working for BrightKids actually has a copy of it.

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                          10.16.09, 04:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I am sure they have a copy of the tests and more. Also many consultants from companies like pearson are freelancers. As a lawyer, i know that non-competes for frrelancers do not hold up in court as it is very hard to proove that they gave information to a company. many ways aroung this ladies. I am pretty sure they had enough connections to get access to what they needed. Also OLSAT has been around a while in other states, so may not be hard as you think. also many techers, professors get it for research purposes.

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                          10.17.09, 05:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • KTSS is not the OLSAT...i dont know who is bashing this company bright city (who knows on UB) but i have the book and actually our school teaher who reveiwed it recommended it and she administers the OLSAT. i can not imagine anyone reading through this book who knows anything about the OLSAT not loving it.

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                10.15.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ah yes the SPAM lady is back. you must be KTSS or manhattan edge...oh yes look at manhattan edge's blog. bashing BK. regardless i bought the book and it is very well done. thank you!

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            10.15.09, 05:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Does anyone know if I can go to BK's office and check out the book before I buy it?

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              10.15.09, 06:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • to set this record straight, i did not find anything on the manhattan edge blog bashing BK and IMHO BK has done themselves in. all smoke and mirrors

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              11.20.09, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I can sell KTSS I used over summer - if you are intereseted

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      10.22.09, 09:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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