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  • [-]If there's the dc of a celeb/"bold-named" in your dc's class is it completely 'normal'-- do they interact w/class, go to school functions. Do they befriend any of the other parents? Are your dc friends? BTW -I'm a public school parent, just curious.

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    11.19.09, 01:05 PM [ Flag ]
    • My dd is good friend's with Pilot Inspektor, Apple, and Kal-el.

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      11.19.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Good question, but I believe most people on here will feel that they are to "cool" to answer question.

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      11.19.09, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • You're right. One mother in pre-k w/older dc at dalton was so obvious in her name-dropping it was humorous. But that was her personality.

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        11.19.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I grew up in WashDC. Parents of my friends were household-name politicians and journalists. (Nothing like talking to BF's dad when his face is on the TV in the background.) Just act normal and talk about normal things. But don't pretend you don't know who they are.

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      11.19.09, 01:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • me too! i'm an ncs alum, what about you?

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        11.19.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NCS waaay back. Then Exeter.

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          11.19.09, 01:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Hey! Sidwell alum here. Big names were everywhere. But unlike NYC, the big names in DC actually WERE important. Not just rich or famous.

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          11.19.09, 07:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • politicians are NOT important. they are high-level bureaucrats. they are not glamorous. and they are ugly. would much rather see movie stars at curriculum night than some loser congressman.

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            11.20.09, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Let me assure you, top pols are every bit as exciting as movie stars. And second-tier pols as boring as your average TV actor.

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              11.20.09, 06:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • lolllllllllllll. whatever. keep telling yourself that. top pol like ????

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                11.20.09, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I met Clinton and he was riveting. So him for instance.

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                  11.20.09, 07:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Obama. Ted K. (r.i.p.) Bill & Hillary. My parents knew Robert Kennedy very well -- mom said if he'd asked, she would have slept with him. And she never said that about Warren Beatty who is also their friend.

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                  11.20.09, 07:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • i am sorry, but out of the 5 you mentioned, 2 are basically historical figures! and no one in nyc, on this board or otherwise, gossips about patterson or schumer. no one cares, when there are so many more interesting people to notice.

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                    11.20.09, 07:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I'm the Sidwell poster and I wasn't referring only to politicians, in fact, didn't think of them in that post. Bob Woodward, Marion Wright Edelman, Mike Wallace, etc. But of course, meeting Bill and Hillary at the annual auction was cool too.

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              11.20.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • omg. i just fell asleep thinking about those BIG NAMES!!

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                11.20.09, 07:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • OMP, ITA. They're totally not exciting like Spencer and Heidi or the Kardasians.

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                  11.20.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • huh? this is NYC, not the OC. and why are you listing people who are all over 60 years old? doesn't exactly make DC sound like a young and vibrant city.

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                    11.20.09, 07:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • OR: Many more important people in DC than NYC...I never said DC was a more vibrant city!

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                      11.20.09, 07:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • People over 60 can't be important. Who are the important people in NYC to whom you're referring? All the names I see being posted on this thread are actors. You can't honestly believe they're important?

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                      11.20.09, 07:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • Just do an UB poll, who would you be more excited to have as a fellow class parent, bono & seinfeld or the HUD secretary. see who wins. lol again.

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                        11.20.09, 08:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Just because a bunch of vapid sycophants in NYC would be more excited to see these people doesn't make them more important. Do you really not see the distinction?

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                          11.20.09, 06:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Are you guys still on? I'm in DC now and applying to Pre-K and need to discuss GDS and Beauvoir. Would love to chat if you're around...

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        11.20.09, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • there was a celebrity dad we knew. his wife was really nice and did all pick-up/drop-off. he was usually on tour, but when he was around he was not very nice. our kids were friends, but even at playdates, if he was around he was really cold and aloof. i think it had more to do with being a jerk than being a celebrity, though! didn't volunteer to fix/build things like many of the other dads or anything like that.

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      11.19.09, 01:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • there was one family in dd's school. very normal. mom (who was the celeb) would pick up her own kids and others after school in her suv. kids participated in plays, chorus, fundraising - just like anyone else. Parents showed up to conferences etc, no fanfare. i didnt know her personally (differnt grade)but she always said hi to me and everyone else and she had several close friends in other moms who were not celebs/super wealthy. It;s probably one of the few places where they can feel normal. their kids hung out with all the kids in their classes.

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      11.19.09, 01:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • When I was a little girl I saw Roxie Roker and her kid at the airport. That kid, who was about my age, grew up to be that one guy on the radio. And they totally snubbed my mom and I.

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      11.19.09, 01:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'll bite- there is the dc of a famous actress in my ds's preschool class- I noticed this child from the get go because they are exceptionally beautiful looking- had no idea whatsoever that the parents were famous until I got the class list. This should give you a clue- they are very low key parents- the less famous parent is an active member of the school community - the much more famous one is much lower key- just modestly does pick up and drop off- some kids in the class with nannies do playdates with this child- who, despite being child model looking- is a typical charming normal 3yo-you'd never know in a million years.

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      11.19.09, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Anyone at Dalton who knows Bono's kids ... and their parents? What are they like? How do they interact with the other kids and parents in the grade?

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      11.19.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Not me, but a good friend's dc goes to school w/dc of someone extremely famous. My friend has become a "mom friend" of this actress and it is hilarious to think about b/c my friend is so down to earth and non show-biz. But the kids have play dates together etc. and she and this actress are just like regular mom friends.

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      11.19.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My dd isn't in school yet. But I work with celebrities and my experience even the crazies are pretty normal when it comes to their kids.

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      11.19.09, 02:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i'm a public mom with experience with a couple bold-faced names. the ones i know are completely normal in their interactions with the class but there are boundaries. the home is pretty much off limits, personal information isn't included on the class list. that sort of thing.

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      11.19.09, 02:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • At our private, the famous mom, married to a famous dad print their gmail e-mails vs. private ones, and they also gave a home address, but it was a temp home at the time.

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        11.19.09, 03:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • similar at our private. famous musician DH, gmail addresses, but real home address (well-known building, generally tight security)

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          11.19.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • what do you mean they print their gmail e-mails vs private ones? Are you saying its an extra email account they have for spam from dc's friends parents?

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          11.20.09, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We have the child of a very famous personality in DS's class. The Dad (the famous one) has been around upon occasiona nd his wife goes to all b'day parties etc. It must be hard for her but she sucks it up! Very good for the kid, I think. Half the class skips parties because of country houses but they go.

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      11.19.09, 07:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Who cares - GAFL

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      11.20.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • madonna's daughter, lola is very polite and friendly. What a girlie girl!

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      11.20.09, 06:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Based on the Ivy exmissions post, Brearley is a better school than Chapin?

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    11.20.09, 06:36 AM [ Flag ]
    • Br. alum and ivy admission percentages in any year whether a school drops a few points or goes up a few points means nothing when it comes to all the schools in that league. People here who think these schools are only worthwhile because of the number of DCs that go to Harvard one year as opposed to another are sending their DCs there for the wrong reasons. Do remember that we are talking about a class of 45 children, so if one more one year goes to Yale than another school who cares, it doesn't make Br, a 'better' school than Chapin anymore than Chapin would be a 'better' school three years ago for having put more DCs in Yale one year than Br. Also remember there are a number of dcs at those schools who get into ivy and don't always cho...

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      11.20.09, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I think the number of college legacies throw all of these comparsions out the window.

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        11.20.09, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • You are wrong. College legacies are really nothing these days. I understand people want to believe that though, but the truth is difference in education. Not saying intelligence necessarily but education and preparedness overall to perform.

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          11.20.09, 07:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I really don't believe that college legacies are nothing.

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            11.20.09, 07:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I am sure you believe that, but I am on the other side of the fence so my perspective is different and not as skewed toward wanting or needing to believe otherwise. Millions of dollars may make a difference but it would have to be a considerable sum. Not that people that wealthy or willing even here, and coming from those schools you don't really need it

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              11.20.09, 07:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • I'm not saying that legacy status guarantees an in, or that you can't get in without it. I'm saying it gives you a leg up. Do you really think that H would have such a healthy endowment if this were not true? That every donor is a selfless philanthropist who believes in the school even if their kids can't get in?

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                11.20.09, 07:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Getting your Chapin dd into Harvard when she already has a very good shot at it on her own merit does not account for the majority of endowment

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                  11.20.09, 07:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • you must agree that between two equally qualified candidates the legacy will get preference...

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                11.20.09, 07:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • No I really don't, I have seen it happen a lot, you cannot always account for a colleges decision year to year. The board may want diversity geographical or racial, they may want more activities, fewer, more arts, more science. Really not every candidate qualified as they are has the exact same strengths.

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                  11.20.09, 07:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • I did college admissions for many years at one of the most competitive in the country. I agree in principal with what you're saying, but I also must tell you that any kind of name recognition IS a good thing for a candidate. It adds weight on the scales.

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                    11.20.09, 07:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • And so name recognition like Collegiate didn't stand out? Come on.

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                      11.20.09, 07:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • I question the veracity of your statement that you did admissions at college, but if you did it sounds as if it was not an Ivy where perhaps endowment means much more.

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                      11.20.09, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • not an Ivy but as competitive as an Ivy if not more. I meant name recognition as in family name.

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                        11.20.09, 07:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I know what you meant, and I am saying the school name means much more. You can bank on the success rate of how well a student from any of these schools will do in any college.

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                          11.20.09, 07:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • More competitive than an ivy. Goodness, a super ivy?

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                          11.20.09, 07:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • must be REED!

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                          11.20.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • hahahahaha

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                          11.20.09, 07:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I agree with that too, but again I said equally qualified candidates. Don't agree, however, with your statement on success rate. Some of these kids are really burnt out by the time they reach college.

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                          11.20.09, 07:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • yeah, imagine that. Sheesh

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                          11.20.09, 07:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • We were and they still are, some but not the majority. Even the overtaxed ones performed and had the base skills to perform at a higher level with little effort. You must know that to be true. Maybe not an A student but B without much study Now whether that is worth it to waste a spot on the student is the call of the college and can be determined as the student continues but overall that they will perform is not a question.

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                          11.20.09, 07:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • ^^^ based on what do you question my veracity? I am trying to inform you, from my extensive experience, that official policy does not match what actually goes on in the process.

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                        11.20.09, 07:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • If that is true than why did you post your comment OP? So full of it.

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                      11.20.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Maybe in the 60s, not any longer

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          11.20.09, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I know a (large) family who has had several generations, I mean every single one of them, go to H

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            11.20.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • So do I. I also know another family that for four generations have gone to H, until the most recent who didn't have the grades and went to a UC

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              11.20.09, 07:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I went to H for college, graduated in the late 90s. I had 4 roommates, all of whom were legacies.

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            11.20.09, 10:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Is the point of this post to rile the troops? Brearley, Spence, and Chapin are all excellent schools and they jockey for top honors into HYP every year but the two or three more each year makes no difference and means nothing. If dc is in one of those schools you should count yourself as lucky.

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      11.20.09, 07:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • but at least a handful of those will be murdoch, kennedy, bloomberg, etc. i don't think they count.

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        11.20.09, 07:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • another Brearley hater I see. You cannot get through Brearley on a name, you need the brain. You may be able to get in with a name but you will not finish.

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          11.20.09, 07:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • huh? i am not a B hater. i don't even know what you are talking about? i have no opinion on any of these girls schools! lol.

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            11.20.09, 07:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • The point is that you know nothing about these schools so why comment.

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              11.20.09, 07:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • omg. what is wrong with you. all of those people had dds who went or currently go to ss schools. and their dds will get into top colleges even if they graduate from a no-name school anywhere in the country. are all B moms this paranoid and defensive?

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                11.20.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • BS. Brearley is a celeb/billionaire whore beyond even Dalton. Doubt the girls from these families ALL have high 99x3 erbs and SBs to match.

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            11.20.09, 06:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • agree completely. the gradu

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        11.20.09, 06:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • the graduating classes are quite small so one or two students in either direction moves the %s. they're all about the same in quality. different parents, cultures perhaps but not education

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          11.20.09, 06:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Prize for most obvious post of the day.

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      11.20.09, 10:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • you know admission season is heating up when the Brearley v. Chapin war begins.

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      11.20.09, 06:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Was in a store near ps 186 (I think) and those DCs were more obnoxious and entitled than any of the girls I knew at SS tt.

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    11.20.09, 11:43 AM [ Flag ]
    • they are dreadful itttta

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      11.20.09, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • what and where is this school?

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      11.20.09, 11:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Right, a couple of obnoxious girls pretty much represent the entire public school student body. How do you know they were from public school, anyway?

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      11.20.09, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • No uniforms, upper east side about 5th grade flowing into cell phone store in Tory Burch shoes flipping their hair and speaking through their noses. And there were about three different groups of them. And you think that people on here who bash ss TT girls know EVERY girl in the entire class?

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        11.20.09, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • When you make a decision about a private school being filled with entitled celebs and money what are you going on for evidence?

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        11.20.09, 12:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • um, the many celebs who have kids there? i think it's far less accurate to judge a public school based on a few students. privates are much smaller and much more homogeneous, socioeconomically and racially.

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          11.20.09, 12:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • um, the few that do in each grade do not make up the whole school not even the whole grade and who is to say celeb kids are all awful?

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            11.20.09, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • i don't think celeb kids are awful. i would worry about my dc getting involved with kids who have a lot of money and not a lot of supervision. celeb/super wealthy kids seem more likely to fall into that category.

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              11.20.09, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • I don't think you understand there are plenty of wealthy dcs at public school in wealthy areas. You aren't required to have money to get to a great private in NYC you need to have intelligence, I know a lot of dumb wealthy people.

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                11.20.09, 12:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • look, face facts. the chances a Dalton or Horace Mann kindergartener being from a wealthy familiy is pretty great. the odds aren't anywhere near that in any random public, even one like PS 6, in a wealthy area.

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                  11.20.09, 12:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • So then the three groups of hideously obnoxious girls in outfits far too expensive for them that were streaming out of this public means nothing to you because....you want to stick your head in the sand? Nice.

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                    11.20.09, 12:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • oh, honey, believe what you want to believe. you're exhausting me.

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                      11.20.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • "sweetie" its not believing what I want to believe it is seeing with my own eyes. And yes, I would like another piece of pecan pie please and a refill on my coffee.

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                        11.20.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • if i were your waitress and you were this annoying IRL, rest assured i would "accidentally" give you regular instead of decaf and sneeze on your pie.

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                          11.20.09, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Nice manners they teach there at the diner. Shame.

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                          11.20.09, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • lol, i guess i should look to you for behavioral cues because you're so charming. go back to your TT private school. they know how to raise those girls right!

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                          11.20.09, 12:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • My reference was to the use of the word "honey". God you people are so uptight and on a crusade to prove your backgrounds have value. Please send your DCs to private if they get in or else they may grow up with mommy's insecurity complex.

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                          11.20.09, 12:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • i am rotflmao at this point. you win, seriously. i'm going to stop responding to you now. have a great afternoon. switch to decaf. i'll bring some to you at your table if you're polite.

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                          11.20.09, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Ok deal!

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                          11.20.09, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • me too, at private schools.

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                  11.20.09, 12:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • How about doing your homework b/f smearing a school?

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      11.20.09, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Oh...What kind of post is that? Are you 'like...12-or 15?

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      11.20.09, 12:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Ummm, you'll have to give an example if you want people to agree with you. Also, you're probably talking about 10 year olds at the most who are not allowed out to lunch (school policy) so what the HECK are you talking about??? A little insecure at your SS tt???

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      11.20.09, 02:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I think OP was being a bit of a jerk but - she said nothing about lunch hour. I think she saw these kids after school. A weird thing is that it also sounds like the OP is comparing these current kids to the girls SHE went to school with - not the current 5th graders at SS schools (who I'm sure are the same as these 158ers). At any rate, these kids are growing up on the UES, for feck's sake. They ARE entitled children, whether they go to public or private school. A difference would be that 158 has 20% of their kids eligible for a free lunch, which is vastly different from being "poor" enough to get FA at a private school. But the richie riches at both kinds of school? The same.

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        11.20.09, 02:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • is that a current statistic? i have trouble believing that anyone who can afford to live in the area zoned for 158 is eligible for free lunch. there are not even any housing projects. otoh, up until 5 years ago, 158 still had a lot of kids there from out of zone with a variance.

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          11.20.09, 06:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 158 also houses East Side Middle. Those were probably middle school girls. Middle school is middle school. Not the most charming age - cut them a break.

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      11.20.09, 05:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]DIVORCE: Just read a post that said that divorced women are threats to other women AND that divorced women are pitied by their female friends. Wanted to take a poll, I have two divorced friends and I don't feel either way. Do you divorced friends? Do you pity or feel threatened by them?

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    11.20.09, 12:56 PM [ Flag ]
    • this is absurd. i was a divorcee and i am sure the answer to both were no.

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      11.20.09, 12:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • divorced women are single and therefore as much a threat as a never married woman. maybe more if the divorcee really wants to be a married woman. and if its assumed or known that she had an affair while married that would be seen as a threat. pity is a strong word but don't you feel a little bad for any friends who don't have what you have and would like to?

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      11.20.09, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Why is any woman a threat to you and your marriage if it is so wonderful that you pity people who don't have it?

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        11.20.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • no woman is a threat to me. I simply stated that they are as much of a threat as single women. For married women who view singles as a threat they'd also view divorcees as a threat.

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          11.20.09, 01:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ^^ I also don't pity unmarried people. I was just trying to find reasons why OP's stats could be true.

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            11.20.09, 01:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • no one has everything, so while you can feel bad for someone that his/her marriage didn't work out (which is a sad thing) it's very paternalistic to think that you are being envied

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        11.20.09, 01:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • what if you have a friend who has said "I would like to have a husband and a family like yours someday". I don't think she envies me, I do feel a bit sad that she hasn't gotten what she says she wants.

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          11.20.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I have said that to friends of mine who envy me for being single, when actually I don't want their lives at all but just to make them feel better. I think everyone does this. Friends tell me they envy me when I feel low that day, it is what friends do. I like to think we are all choosing lives that improve the past whatever that was.

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            11.20.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • of course, you want your friend to be happy...but pitying her would be different...probably, the only people i'd pity would be people stuck in a terrible marriage...being single certainly isn't pathetic

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            11.20.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • wouldn't it be nice if women stopped viewing other women as "threats" to anything? it's so pathetic and useless.

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      11.20.09, 01:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I really can't consider anyone a threat because they are divorced that seems ridiculous to me. I will admit to feeling something, not pity, but something for divorced women with children. Not pity but just .... a wonder why they didn't keep it together. I am sure people might like to flame away for that but that is how I feel.

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      11.20.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ... I should say I feel the same for those divorced men -not just the ladies!

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        11.20.09, 01:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Well people are different and their situations are different. I am divorced and decided to leave because of things that you might be able to look beyond. Or maybe what I dealt with was far more insidious than you could ever imagine having to deal with.

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        11.20.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I totally hear you. I am sure everyone has their good reasons that are right for them and their family. I guess it just makes me think about my relationship and my family?

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          11.20.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • if a friend of mine divorced because she was dealing with something far more insidious that I could ever imagine, I would have sympathy for her. Not because she got divorced but for having to go through the pain to get there. I realize people can be better because of overcoming the hardship but getting there can be hard.

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          11.20.09, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It depends on the friend. I do worry about one of my friends who recently divorced. She is desperately unhappy, really wanted kids, and divorced her husband because she didn't feel fulfilled (no counseling attempts). Now she is more lonely than ever! But for other friends, it was the right choice and they feel better. I don't pity or feel threatened for people who are divorced. I guess I feel sympathetic for single moms (divorced or not) because I feel like they have the hardest job in the world! Props to them.

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      11.20.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I feel sorry for them (regardless of whether they are male or female). Divorce is never simple and 'over' when you have kids.

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      11.20.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I have 3 dear friends (2 "divorcing", 1 "divorved) with a DC. I feel sympathy for them because it's tough. But also very proud of them for making the tough choice and doing what they feel is right for them and dc for their future.

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      11.20.09, 06:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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