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  • [-]Why doesn't Obama insure the uninsured, tax us to pay for it, and leave our insurance alone? That's the compromise he's going to end up doing. And if the his plan is so great, why is Congress exempt from it?

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    08.16.09, 01:38 PM [ Flag ]
    • obama isn't creating the plan--congress is. and, as outlined in the plans, nobody is doing anything to your insurance--the plans want to create another, public plan as an option to those who are priced out of private plans/don't get employer-subsidized insurance. the only bad things that could happen to YOUR plan are indirect effects of this public plan going into effect, since there will be another source of competition. if people left your plan in droves for the public plan, then perhaps it could shut down. OR your plan could get a lot better to try and compete (cover more services, lower deductibles, lower premiums). doctors might leave your plan, if it didn't pay enough or turned down too many claims relative to other plans--or it might...

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      08.16.09, 03:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • because a lot of people that have private insurance get screwed too. The reforms are designed to make sure that private insurance actualy does what it claims it does, and also to an extent will probably lower the number of peple moving to the public/subsidized option (E.g. people that couldn't get private insurance because of pre-existing conditions).

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      08.16.09, 03:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • who should be paid to insure those people, and how much? if we just pay the insurance companies the premiums that they would charge most of those people (who include the young and poor, but also tons of very ill people), the cost would be astronomical. under the current set-up, there is nobody who is willing to insure these people at reasonable rates--which is the whole problem with our system. something needs to change.

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      08.16.09, 03:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm in favor of a public option, but only if all MoCs and Senators, and their families, are required to use it. If it isn't good enough for our reps, it isn't good enough for us.

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      08.16.09, 04:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • They have socialized medicine already - give us that - oh yeah, Americans have been inculcated to have a knee jerk negative reaction to anything labeled "socialized" or similar rather than actually learning and thinking for themselves.

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        08.16.09, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: you hit the nail on the head. Sad but true.

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          08.16.09, 04:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Which is so dumb, considering how much of our country is already socialized (welfare, education, SOCIAL security, military). We just don't call it "socialized" because people have hated the word ever since McCarthyism.

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          08.16.09, 05:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Again, stop with your truisms. People love being uninformed or illinformed and angry. It makes them feel like they belong.

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            08.17.09, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ita - all Senators should have to use it. Ted Kennedy doesn't have too many quality years left, but he's getting the most aggressive treatment possible. The same may not be available for you if the time comes.

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        08.16.09, 04:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ted is getting the most aggressive treatment possible because he is paying for it himself. he's rich.

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          08.17.09, 03:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • If Teddy didn't have his Congressional plan he could be covered by Medicare. (They say no less than Bridgette Nielson.) Medicare gave my 90+ year old grandmother a space age new hip that was good for at least 20 years. The surgeon actually said that. "It will last at least 20 years." I pointed out that the last 15-18 of them would probably be in a hole alongside a church in Nassau County. (My dad didn't think I was funny.)

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          08.17.09, 04:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • the thing is that there is a myth that medicare coverage is not good. the irony is that the ones who often deny services/coverage are the PRIVATE insurers. It is the private insurers who are more likely to not pay doctors for their services. If you talk to a lot of doctors (not necessarily specialists) who prefer the single payer system.

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        08.16.09, 04:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Medicare no longer pays for virtual colonoscopy but many private insurance companies do. Some guy wrote about it in the WSJ recently and said his father died from complications (a clot, I think) from the traditional kind and blamed Medicare. I don't agree with him, because his father could have just paid for the procedure he wanted out of his own pocket, but this is an example of a situation where Medicare benefits are not as generous.

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          08.16.09, 04:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Did his father have traditional Medicare or HMO Medicare?

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            08.16.09, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • And when private ins. decides that your cancer is worth about $50-100K worth of treatment but you actually need another $25K - you're shit-out-o-luck. e are in a lose / lose situation but everyone is running around like chicken little.

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            08.17.09, 12:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Medicare does pay promptly, and the reimbursement is generally known in advance; however the profit margin on Medicare is negative and therefore many doctors limit the number of Medicare patients they accept so they can balance them out with other patients

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          08.16.09, 05:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • the plan is dead

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      08.16.09, 04:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • here's my question. he keeps talking about the savings from streamlining the process. why not spend a year streamlining the processes we have (medicare and medicaid) and then say "look, we saved 500 million a year. let's use that and how much should we add to it so that we can also cover x number of additional people".

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      08.16.09, 04:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • because they have to do it now before they lose control of the House or the Senate in the 2010 elections

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        08.16.09, 04:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ah. that makes a lot of sense. i was wondering what the sudden rush was. still, i think they are better off doing it that way. b/c there's so much animosity now anyway.

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          08.16.09, 04:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • they're trying to "Rahm" it through

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            08.16.09, 04:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • ha ha.

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              08.16.09, 04:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • So you mean our insurance won't be touched or bothered BUT THERE WILL BE A FEDERAL GATEKEEPER OVER IT and nothing will change with existing insurance? What kool-aid are you trying to feed me?

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                08.16.09, 05:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • did we say that in this thread, because I find that scary too

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                  08.16.09, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • The same kool aid that makes your ins work if you are healthy and well. As soon as you become sick and liability t hey will cease to cover you and then you will wish there was a govt option to cover you before you have to mort. your life away.

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                  08.17.09, 12:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: Traditional Medicare costs about 3 cents per dollar to administer. 97 cents goes to care. Non-profit HMOs pull between 20 and 30 cents per dollar out of the health care system and for-profit insurers another dime more than that.

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        08.16.09, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • but the reimbursement to the doctors is lower for Medicare; it's a tradeoff to be sure

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          08.16.09, 05:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • do you have a source for this number? i find it hard to believe that the gov't can administrate something like medicare for three cents on the dollar.

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          08.16.09, 06:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • why would you have trouble believing this? They don't pay to advertise. They don't have high cost executives. Google CBO and administrative costs.

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            08.16.09, 08:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • i have trouble believing it b/c most gov't run programs aren't exactly smoothly run. i just did a little research and i didn't see the exact number you quoted. but i did see a lot of discussion about how medicare has a relatively low administrative fee when compared to the total amount spent. but that's b/c medicare participants tends to have greater expenses. the per person charge is most likely greater for medicare than for private insurers.

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              08.17.09, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • If you look, you will find several discussions of Medicare vs Medicare Advantage. The Medicare Advantage product is Medicare paying HMOs to provide the care (or more specifically allowing seniors to take their Medicare premium to an HMO and buy an HMO plan with that money.) A GREAT APPLE:APPLE COMPARISON. The administrative costs of just the Medicare piece here is 2 cents/dollar. The Medicare Advantage is 11 cents.

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                08.17.09, 01:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I don't WANT him to leave my insurance alone - it's bad now and gets worse every year (and I work for a fortune 500 company and make good $$$).

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      08.17.09, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • If there is a Federal gatekeeper standing between you and every insurance claim you put in, it will be far worse than anything the insurance companies already do.

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        08.17.09, 12:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • scare tactic mentality makes this country drag in every possible sector. it's such a suck on our society. it fatigues me.

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          08.17.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Have you looked at National health care plans in England lately or anywhere else where they have them? Do you see their life expectancy? Do you see how long you wait for a service WHEN THE GOVERNMENT RUNS HEALTH CARE???

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            08.17.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • If the Federal Government takes over U.S. health care, everyone will be covered and none of the coverage will be any good for anyone. In other words, everyone gets a piece and it all stinks equally for everyone.

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              08.17.09, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Yes, and you have you also looked at - GASP!- France and Switzerland??? Please stop baiting. You're ignorant to the big picture.

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              08.17.09, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • they have better infant mortality rates than we do.

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              08.17.09, 03:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • It is like you people just can't see the truth. Are you going to tell us next about how Steven Hawking would be dead...

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              08.17.09, 03:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • LOL!!

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                08.17.09, 03:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • France and Switzerland are TINY countries - you can't compare them to the U.S. Look at England - why are they coming here for health care?

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                  08.17.09, 03:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • English healthcare is very different than American health care because of WWII in more ways than most people realize. In England, they were bombed so heavily that basic care, primary care became their focus. This was true in the 40's and it never changed. In the US however, our healthcare system was growing up in a very different scenario. The really big call to arms back home was for catastrophic care. For prosthetics and big cases. So our system evolved into something different. Comparing the US to England is silly. We don't have the same systems and nothing they are talking about in DC is going to change that.

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                    08.17.09, 03:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Yes I have. UK life expectancy is slightly longer than in the US. Source: CIA World Factbook.

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              08.17.09, 03:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • But if you are over 59 years of age in the UK, do not plan on ever needing a stent....you can't get one through the NHS.

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                08.17.09, 04:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Also, do not expect to your children to see the same pediatrician on a regular basis. You will see whoever is at the local clinic that day.

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                  08.17.09, 04:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Not one plan has suggested this. I don't want to confuse you with facts but this is just dumb.

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          08.18.09, 05:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Someone said, "It is the same government who is calculating the cost of the health insurance who calculated the Cars for Cash issue. The money for that was supposed to last 6 months. It lasted 4 days."

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      08.17.09, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I just reread John Mackey's WSJ August 11th article "The Whole Foods Alternative to ObamaCare". It isn't what people want to hear but it's all true. Health coverage is not a right, it is a privilege and should not be socialized.

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        08.18.09, 02:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Obama seems rather naive about all this. And how many businesses did he run before becoming a professional politician?

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          08.18.09, 02:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • He isn't taking anyone's insurance away. What will happen though is your employer will move to his cheaper plan rather than keep the one they pay for now.

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      08.18.09, 05:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • (sigh). My dh is a partner in a law firm paying almost $20,000 for a family insurance plan for the three of us and even with that, insurance claims are getting more and more stringent. But honestly, the idea that someone from the government would act on top of what the insurance companies do already, frightens me. It can't be a good thing - it will make things worse.

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        08.18.09, 05:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]When did your dc achieve maturity enough to find friends who appreciated and loved them? Because it's taking my teen dd an AWFULLY long time to figure this out - she still has a lot of growing up to do and she's 16. There's nothing mentally wrong with her - I've had her checked out from stem to stern for years, but she's late regarding social maturation - when is it going to happen? Keeps making the same mistakes over and over again and girls are merciless - and she's in an all-girls school and no, she can't change now. It's driving me crazy because I'm the recipient.

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    08.13.09, 04:12 AM [ Flag ]
    • sounds tough for her. have you ever posted about this on here before?

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      08.13.09, 04:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • no offense, but you sound like you may be part of the problem. "there is nothing mentally wrong with her"-what kind of parent thinks like this? We are talking about a teenager who is growning into a woman. Of course she will mak mistakes, even the same ones "over and over" My suggestion get her involved in something that she loves outside of school and hopefully she can mak better friends there and will not care as much about the girls in her school. good luck and remember show empathy and be supportive.

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      08.13.09, 05:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA. DD needs independence. As long as she is looking to others for direction (ie, mom, friends) she will do what others want and not what is right for her.

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        08.13.09, 05:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • checked out stem to stern for years? yikes, she might not be getting the compassion she needs at home.

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      08.13.09, 05:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • In OP's defense, I can understand the "checking out." I've definitely known kids whose social awkwardness/cluelessness has later been diagnosed as autistic spectrum/Aspergers or something along those lines. I don't think this necessarily implies a lack of sympathy.

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        08.13.09, 05:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ok - but it sounded strange to me.

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          08.13.09, 05:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • The best thing you can do for a child like this is build her confidence. That will really help her find friends who appreciate her and share her interests. You reference to having her checked from stem to stem implies you think there is something wrong with her. I'm afraid that is not the way to make a child feel confident. Make sure she know you think she is great just the way she is. It may take some time, but this is the best way to help her find lifelong friends.

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            08.13.09, 07:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • THE BEST THING YOU CAN DO FOR A CHILD IS TO BE A ROLE MODEL FOR FRIENDSHIPS. OP - HOW ARE YOUR FRIENDSHIPS DOING????

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              08.13.09, 07:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • OP - While I'm not a social butterfly, I have a group of good friends - some from interest clubs, some from former years, and I go out with them often, so dd sees me socialize.

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                08.13.09, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: that's probably because your child doesn't have any issues. it doesn't sound odd to me, as the parent of a child who is also very immature. I have no answers, op, but I am sorry she's at an all girls school as I can see how that would really compound the issue. Are there other activities that she likes to do outside of school where she might meet a different set of friends?

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            08.13.09, 04:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i reacted the same way. good grief - is there no end to this nonsense.

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        08.13.09, 07:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Send her away for a summer/semester so she can reinvent herself without influence of those around her now.

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      08.13.09, 08:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I was your DD in high school. Took me until sophomore year of college to really come into my own - but what helped me most in high school was going away for a month-long summer program where we lived in a college dorm for a month and took college classes. A taste of independence, and no one I knew from my school or town. I made friends I still have today. Ask her what she would really like to do (in my case this was journalism), find a program away from home and let her pursue it over a vacation or a summer.

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      08.13.09, 09:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • depending on what kinds of mistakes are being made, and how good your relationship is, maybe you could talk through some of it and try to teach her how to interpret what is happening. Math Ph.D. mom here, and I can tell you there really are "all kinds of minds" and people who are stronger in math/engineering (girls as well as boys) do tend to be weaker at reading social signals. We are a math-heavy family, and we sometimes sit in coffee shops and spy on people at other tables and have fun making up stories about what is going on (later). There are countless ways kids and teens "one up" each other all the time, and your teen needs to be good at reading these signals AND sending them, else she will be targeted. Give it some thought, and good ...

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      08.13.09, 10:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP - I appreciate these responses. To clarify though, when I said "from stem to stern" I meant regular physical exams where pediatricians talk with dd, and all assured me everything is fine. I never let dd feel I thought something was wrong with her - it's just what I've noticed regarding her peer relations. She seems to be always that "odd girl out" when other girls are around. She gets along much better with boys her own age - as people boys seem to be nicer individuals. I think the summer course at a "precollege" program sounds like a great idea - she was a CIT at her old camp this year. But pre-college programs vary - some are better than others and are supervised differently. Good thoughts though.

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        08.13.09, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • You said "boys always seem to be nicer individuals." Not nec true. I prefer to look at each person individually. But perhaps she picks up on this thinking from you, and perceives other girls to be not nice thus avoiding friendships with them? Just a thought.

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          08.13.09, 02:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • more likely she has weak social skills and the boys are less sophisticated socially, so she fits in better with them. Fewer games. I think the social discussions mentioned above might indeed be helpful. Does not mean anything is "wrong" just that this is not her strength. No reason not to coach her on it though. I never understand why we give help on so many things but expect the social stuff ALL to come automatically to EVERYONE. It does not.

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            08.13.09, 02:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Having worked with teenagers, I will agree that boys do tend to play less head games. That said, do some role playing with her. Ask her what in what social situations does she awkward and do some role playing where you both take different parts. Maybe enlist her dad or a very close friend of yours she trusts to help with the role playing. Sometimes simply giving your son or daughter the words to say for any given situation can go a long way.

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          08.13.09, 02:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OP - we do try to role-play but it's hard because we can't know how teen girls interact with each other - verbal and body language, the culture of harassment through exclusion. Somehow, most girls have radar when it comes to whom they value and whom they don't and once they decide they don't, you could be dead to them for years.

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            08.13.09, 04:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Then I would help her foster the friendships she has with boys. There are plenty of teenagers with friendships of the opposite sex which are non-sexual. Don't keep worrying/pushing to make friends with the girls at school. Help her make new friends with girls outside the school. It's not a perfect solution but it takes the sting out of being "shunned" at school. Find out her likes and look for a class or group she can join.

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              08.13.09, 04:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Be sure to mention to the group head or teacher that your daughter is shy and suss out if the group/class would be a good fit for her. My friend teaches a hip-hop dance class for beginners and most of her class is made up of shy awkward kids. The class is non-competitive and very supportive and no one ever gets singled out and the point is not to get the steps right but to have fun. Look for classes like this. She teaches in Chicago so I can't recommend her. LOL.

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                08.13.09, 04:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Just to give you an inspirational story. My mother was tall, awkward, shy and had 1 friend who happened to be her cousin. My grandmother (who I love) was quite mean to her and made fun of her acne and lankiness and the fact that she would never speak up for herself and even said she looked like a boy. My grandfather's girlfriend (grandparents divorced) took her an enrolled her in modeling school back in the 70s. Barbizon to be exact.

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                  08.13.09, 04:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • ^^^ They taught my mother how to clear up her skin. How to walk. How to fix her hair. How to look and feel good WITHOUT make-up. My mother was 15 at the time. I photographer liked what he saw when he came to speak to the class. My mother went on to do jobs for Flori Roberts (sp), Halston, Ebony Fashion Fair, wigs for Naomi Sims, etc.

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                    08.13.09, 04:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • OP - That is a very inspirational story. I wish it could happen for all shy people. People perceive shy people to be weak, but it's just that shy individuals haven't identified their strength yet. And they get trampled on when they're still weak about it. But I'm convinced that one day they'll stand up for themselves and count in the world.

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                      08.13.09, 05:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • I believe they will find their niche and space in the world. I really felt bad for my mom. She got shunned at school and at home by her own mom. It's good you are being supportive of your DD.

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                        08.13.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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