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  • [-]Longest fight (including silent treatment) w/DH? How resolve?

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    11.05.09, 09:32 AM [ Flag ]
    • started silent treatment about 10 minutes ago. will let you know. grrrr.

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      11.05.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • need more info. what was fight about?

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      11.05.09, 09:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • DH called me on cell phone and really yelled at me about something that came in the mail that he thought I had screwed up administratively (I had not - that's been proven with no apology from him)...I came home and told him if he ever did that again, since it was abusive and no reason he couldn't ask me civilly about the problem, I would leave him and that my mother (eek!) agreed!!! I have also been giving silent treatment b/c cannot believe once it was totally proven that administrative task done perfectly by me, that he didn't concede that and apologize...I may have overplayed my hand by threatening to leave, but am really sick of getting yelled at whenever anything appears to go wrong and normally gets resolved, but his first reaction ...

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        11.05.09, 09:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Your husband sounds like my wife. It's okay to flip out but once all the cards are on the table and each side was understood apologizes should be made for overreactions. Somehow some people lack this part and think it is always justified because at that time that's just how they felt.

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          11.05.09, 10:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • DH usually doesn't notice when he's getting the silent treatment.

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      11.05.09, 09:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I would say overnight- about 18 hours. maybe 24 tops. It's not worth fighting after that point, all anger is diffused. We've had disagreements that have lasted much longer and just keep popping up every so often.

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      11.05.09, 09:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Agree - totally not worth fighting after that, but I just can't shake feeling that I was really owed an apology...I know men rarely apologize - but this was so blatant that I had done the administrative thing correctly ...how could he completely not concede that???

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        11.05.09, 09:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • because he is pig-headed and stubborn? I'm just kidding. I would be annoyed too, and I would probably bring it up on occasion in the future, just to rub it in his face. "Wait, let me go get my cell, so you can call me and bitch me out because the dry cleaner lost your pants. That seemed to work well for you last week...." This is totally bad advice, but it's probably how I would handle it.

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          11.05.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 30 minutes. DH is not big on the silent treatment, he wants to make up ASAP. It's been a struggle for me because I need time to decompress and DH NEEDS to be lovey and make everything right.

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      11.05.09, 09:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • you are lucky - mine carries grudge endlessly and NEVER tries to make up...usually we have to wait for some deux ex machina to be sufficiently distracting that we start inadvertently speaking to each other.

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        11.05.09, 09:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • longest "problem time" was over a year. no silent treatment. resolved by talking it through.

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      11.05.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 2 days--Neither DH or I can keep the anger up.

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      11.05.09, 10:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We've been fighting for over a year. Thank god for divorce.

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      11.05.09, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Two days just before DB was born. I honestly cannot remember what it was about or why we were both being so stubborn. Our next longest fight is probably like hours.

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      11.05.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]I met my wonderful boyfriend two years ago when I moved to DC for grad school. Now I'm done with school, and I can't find a job here -- the jobs in my field are almost all in NYC. My boyfriend has two years left of grad school and he wants me to stay in DC, and find a random okay job. I really love him, but I'm not sure if I should make this professional sacrifice, especially since we're not engaged. (He says he wants to date for awhile more and know each other better before we get engaged. We're both 30). I'm really torn about what to do.

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    11.04.09, 08:13 AM [ Flag ]
    • seems pretty selfish of him that he isn't certain that he wants a life time commitment, but wants you to hold back on properly pursuing your career until he graduates. DC isn't that far. I would move to NYC and get your career going and attempt a long distance relationship until he graduates.

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      11.04.09, 08:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I agree. He doesn't think he's being selfish though...he is convinced I should be able to find something in DC. I've been trying for months and it's just much harder here for my field. But he thinks I should just look harder, it's frustrating.

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        11.04.09, 08:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • he is asking you to limit yourself in your job hunt, but he is not limiting himself (with a proposal) -- not fair, don't do it.

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          11.04.09, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Selfish people are entitled people. Of course, he doesn't think he's selfish. That's the proof he's selfish. If you're in your 30s, you have to think about your career, marriage and children. It's precious two years at this age! Drop this selfish man like a hot potato and fly away!

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          11.04.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ita. you have been together for 2 years and he still isn't sure? drop him and focus on your career.

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            11.04.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ITA, I actually think you living in NYC might be JUST what this person needs to decide to propose to you! Let him figure out what he is missing!

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            11.04.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • ditto. Don't take a job outside of your field or a lower level than you could get otherwise, it'll take years and years to get back to the level where you could be in NYC today

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              11.04.09, 10:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • This is an interesting question. You do realize that the path you are set on after school will be in good part determined by that first job, I hope. In fact, there was something in the news recently about how people graduating from college this year (and last) will have permanent damage to their careers because of the economy. You can minimize that damage by opening yourself to options of working in places like NYC, and not limiting yourself to DC. Your boyfriend is asking you to make a very significant career sacrifice and he is not committed to being engaged? These are the kinds of sacrifices MARRIED people make. I think your best move is to find the best possible position in NYC (where you can at least visit each other weekends). That is...

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      11.04.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Would you expect the same thing if the situation were reversed? Would he agree to it? Seems like you have to decide what is more important. What if the relationship doesn't work and then you have done that for nothing. If he doesn't want a commitment I would take a job wherever you find it including NYC and if the relationship is strong enough, it can take it.

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      11.04.09, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I agree with what the other posters have said. He's asking you to make a big sacrifice and committment to you but he's not willing to do teh same. I actually made a similar decision when I decided to move to be with my boyfriend at the time instead of coming back to NY after law school and finding a job. The difference was that we had a young baby and had been constantly talking about marriage, we just needed to physically be together which we hadn't been. There months after moving there he proposed and 8 months later we were married but I knew that's where we were headed when I took that step. If he had let me know that he still wanted to date for awhile more I absolutely would've come to NY without him and focused on myself until he was r...

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      11.04.09, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • a dh: Learning is a use it or lose it kind of thing. Especially early on. If what you say is true, there is no way I would do that. (But I find it hard to believe there is nothing you can do with your degree in DC.)

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      11.04.09, 09:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i don't. dh and i would like to move out of nyc but the only jobs are here :(

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        11.04.09, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • But is there a specialized degree for that which you can earn somewhere else? That is the part that makes me wonder.

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          11.04.09, 11:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Get a job in NYC. Visit him on weekends. It will be infinitely harder to get the same job in 2 years. Tell him that once you get married you will make these decisions jointly, but for now, you have to look out for your best interest.

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      11.04.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Right on! Unless you're engaged or married, you're still just dating. You don't sacrifice for someone you're dating.

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        11.04.09, 09:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Find the best job you can and commute to see him on the weekends if nothing available locally. If it is meant to be, it will happen. After you are engaged or married, you can sacrifice yourself professionally. Until then, it's not a good idea. Both you and he will respect you much more this way. Speaking from experience.

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      11.04.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP can you begin your job hunt in NYC and continue looking in DC, too? I believe at this point you should find your dream job and then you and your boyfriend can figure out the logistics then. But I do not think you should limit yourself as you are JUST out of school and the ecnoomy sucks. time to find the best job you can!

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      11.04.09, 09:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • don't limit your life for a wonderful boyfriend. You will end up resenting it. It's hard enough if you need to do it for a husband

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      11.04.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If he REALLY loves you then he should have your best interest in mind and respect your wishes. In this case is to let you go to NYC to make a go at your job prospects. Obviously he doesn't think HE can hack a commuting relationship (in his mind, you're not worth the hassle). I would look at his request for a blessing in disguise and see him, and his intentions, for what it is. HE'S not in it for the long run. HE does not have your best interest in mind. HE only wants the easy way out which is to "handcuff" you in DC while he waits to see if he wants to stay with you. Don't do it!!! Go to NYC and get on with your life. You studied this hard to make it so I wouldn't waste it by waiting around two years just to see if he'll commit to ...

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      11.04.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm the OP. Wow, consensus! Thanks for all the great comments. I guess it does make sense for me to go to NYC and be long distance with him...it is just hard for me to see because (a) it's sad for me to move away from him and (b) I'm worried that moving means taking a step away from marriage. I don't want to wind up 33 and single in NYC (not that that's horrible, I know, I know) even if I do have a terrific job.

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      11.04.09, 09:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Plenty of nice single guys in NYC.

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        11.04.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ah, being mid-thirties and single in new york city isn't a great position. OP has to weigh that.

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          11.04.09, 09:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • So, do you think it's better to cling onto to this selfish man and wait for his verdict after two years? How do you know this selfish man will not go for the greener pasture after he gets a job and his situation looks better? This self-centered man will always look out for what's best for HIM, not for her. He could move on with a younger woman who has "a job (career)" and more beautiful. What can she say to a prospective employer after two years if they asked what she was doing for two years after graduation? Should she say she was waiting for her uncommitted boyfriend to graduate (who eventually dumped her)? This could be a killer for her career move.

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            11.04.09, 09:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Or, you can be 33, single, in DC and without the NYC job experience of the last 2 years.

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        11.04.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Go to NY. He's not ready after 2 years? Drop him.

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      11.04.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It has been 2 years. I told now husband when we had been on three or four dates that we either know in 2 years or don't force what is not working. Move to NY do long distance if you want but be aware of time spent in the relationship

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      11.04.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • ----->Cuz if you like it then you shoulda put a ring on it<----- Seriously, here's the breakdown for single women: under 30 they get 2 years; between 30-35 they get 1 year; 35+ they get 6 months. Do not waste a single minute more! GL.

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      11.04.09, 09:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I moved, exact same situation, met someone who really loves and appreciates me, engaged within a year, now married 2 decades with 3 lovely dcs. The guy I left FINALLY married 15 years later, and has a toddler. Good for him. I am glad I moved on with my life though.

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        11.04.09, 10:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I know it is difficult to believe you might be better off without him, but REALLY that can be true.

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          11.04.09, 10:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • DON'T STAY. I made the exact same error, except the cities were different - he was in med school and ended up cheating/dumped me after two years. I was stuck with an ok job in a town where I had no friends or family. And I'd only taken the bar exam for that state, so I had to start from scratch and take the bar for NY. Unless you have a ring on your finger, DO NOT make life decisions with/for someone else.

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      11.04.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • thanks. I told him that I've exhausted my options in DC and need to start focusing on NYC...he basically whined and said "don't do it," and then refused to engage in a more serious conversation (other than to tell me I'm "not looking hard enough"). He sounds not ready to me. you are right.

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        11.04.09, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: Good for you. Now you see his true color. Consider it blessing that you understood who he is now instead of two years later with no job and two years older...

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          11.04.09, 02:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OR here - You are definitely 100% making the right decision. Best of luck to you.

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          11.04.09, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Find a job in NYC. He has had two years to get to know you. You need to think of yourself. I was in a similar position and made many, many sacrifices for someone else and in the end had to move on, a little older, a lot more bitter.

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      11.04.09, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Look, my husband did this to his old girlfriend- asked her to move internationally with him, with no ring. The girl moved away with him, and after a year of living together on foreign turf, he dumps her. Oh yeah. They had been together for like 3 years, 1 year abroad and here she is in a foreign country, dumped. By the way, we were only together for 10 months before he proposed. Same guy, only like a year afterward. I'm sure she expected they would get married, or something. Just sayin'...if they aren't sure, they aren't sure.

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      11.04.09, 12:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Move to NYC!! Do not stick around for his sake.

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      11.04.09, 12:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • would you move before getting a job here?...if so, then do it & see each other on weekends...otherwise, look for jobs in both places & then deal w/ the issue if the better job is here...it's a very easy weekend trip--it's not like he's in seattle

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      11.04.09, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I agree with the consensus that you should look in NYC as well as DC, and do the long-distance dating thing if necessary. If you've just graduated it's not the best time to compromise on the career front. While I think it's selfish of him to ask you to sacrifice, though, I don't necessarily think he's being selfish by not proposing. Two years isn't that long...I don't think it's unreasonable if he wants to date a little more before committing. In any case, a NYC - DC relationship is completely doable. Obviously, you should continue to look in DC as well as NY in case something comes up...

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      11.04.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm just curious - why are you on this board? You obviously don't have children.

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      11.04.09, 02:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • lots of smart women here who have managed to have careers and families...and I can't find my way to either. thought I would get some good advice (and I did).

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        11.04.09, 04:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • plus, overall (IMHO) NYC >>>>>>>>>>> DC on so many fronts...

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      11.04.09, 04:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Every single poster gave great advice! these type of threads make me love UB! And i don't even have kids.

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      11.04.09, 04:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]I have newborn twins and have been trying the BornFree #1 Nipple which is slow flow. All the sucking seems to be exhausting them. Any recomendations on alternate nipples that might be easier. Thx.

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    10.25.09, 08:13 PM [ Flag ]
    • Born Free is terrible. Try the Playtex Dropins or Dr. Browns. Good luck!

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      10.25.09, 08:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • db uses dr. brown's natural flow. seems good.

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      10.25.09, 08:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Thanks. Even with all those parts? They, like Born Free, seem cumbersome. Hard to assemble a bottle and juggle the two of them.

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        10.25.09, 08:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I'm saying this with a smile as someone who was afraid to put down the baby-you can put down the babies and let them cry while you put together the bottle. ;)

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          10.25.09, 08:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • have the bottles ready,filled with water already,so you only have to add formula.

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          10.25.09, 09:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I also hate BF for leaking and too many parts. I loved Avent. But in terms of slow flow, you can just go up to the next nipple flow and solve the problem if you want to stick with BF. The slowest newborn flow was only really good for the baby I breastfed, not my bottle bed only baby.

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      10.25.09, 09:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • The best bottles are the Playtex Drop-Ins. Always clean, no air bubbles swallowed, and the nipple is designed to mimic breastfeeding. I am a mom of twins too - still breastfeeding at 12 months old. They used the bottle a bit but I had to return to work after my oldest (singleton) was born and I pumped for him. So he was on the Playtex Drop-ins during the day from 4 months on.

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      10.25.09, 10:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ita.....you can start with the lowest flow and anad then try the nextone ups etc. No need to buy designer bottles and the drop-ins are fabulously easy to use.

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        10.26.09, 04:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I used Dr. Browns for my firstborn and even though cleaning all the extra parts was cumbersome, I felt they did help prevent gassiness. When I had the twins a couple of years later, the thought of having to clean two x the bottles plus all the extra parts was a non-starter. Also, the alert level about BPA levels in plastic was really ramping so we switched to Born Free. Not as good bottles overall IMHO but worked fine. I breastfed all three kids in the early going so not familiar with the #1 nipples but like other responders, I have always experimented with more "advanced" nipples when it seemed too laborious for the babies. Good luck... the first year with twins is a challenge!

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  • [-]What do you guys think about the culture of women in Denmark in that they don't feel pressured to marry and many have children without being married?

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    10.22.09, 04:09 AM [ Flag ]
    • It'a very common in Scandinavian countries. I heard once that it is also rooted in their ancient tribal history, going back over 1000 years. It wasn't practical for men and women to marry unless they knew for sure they'd produce children, so pre-marital sex and pregnancy were a guarantee of a fertile marriage.

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      10.22.09, 04:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think it's fine, if the kids grow up healthy and happy. I think there are all kinds of ways to structure a society that work well. I think it is worse for kids to have a strong expectation for marriage in the culture but a high rate of single mothers, in which case they are starting life in a family that is frowned upon and lacks social legitimacy and support. In the U.S., most single moms will say marriage is the ideal situation but it just didn't work out for them. That I don't think is healthy.

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      10.22.09, 04:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • That's completely hypocritical. So what you're saying is that somehow in our culture and country single mothers and their children for whom their marriages (and the father is no longer involved) or relationships that didn't work out are devalued and live an unhealthy existence. As opposed to staying with pathological, lying, cheating or uninspired useless husbands to satisfy your "ideals".

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        10.22.09, 04:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • No, that's now what I'm saying at all. I'm saying it makes it much harder for single moms in our culture, because the expectation for marriage is still prominent in most people's minds, even though the rates of single parenthood are very high. And it is unhealthy for people to believe that they are living in a second-rate family structure. I'm not sure where you got all that stuff about my "ideals" when I said that I think that there are all kinds of societies that work well. Reading comprehension!

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          10.22.09, 04:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Reread it and did misunderstand the broad view to be your view. And you're right. Even down to the closest friendships in the highest socio-economic levels. And there are purealy tangential issues as well; no one wants an extra woman around but most people would welcome an extra man.

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            10.22.09, 05:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • sounds smart

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      10.22.09, 05:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP, what do *you* think about it? I say, great for them. One thing is, they have a social safety net that we don't have. Denmark has the smallest gap between rich and poor, and very high taxes, which contribute to a. a high quality of life, and b. good social services.

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      10.22.09, 05:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It is called independence! I am a single mom and I find these types of posts offensive… As if we are incapable of raising a child or doing anything without a man… I hardly think you live in NYC… more like a flyover state…

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      10.22.09, 07:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • My mate and I are both Americans of Swedish decent (both of us are 2nd generation). We have been together 10 years and haven't gotten married yet, but consider ourselves together for life - we have our retirement plans, etc. It really seems like we are closer, happier, and have a stronger bond than most married couples we know. Marriage isn't out of the question and someday we might do it - but no real plans, it doesn't seem that important.

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        10.23.09, 06:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think those countries have very strong social welfare programs, for example, nursery/preschool is underwritten by the government. Public housing is generous, and mixed income of all levels, not the last resort Section 8 stuff here. Shoot, in the Netherlands they send a nurse to your house for a few weeks after you've had a baby. So a single woman with child/children there is not so vulnerable as she might be here in the sink or swim U.S. of A.

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  • [-]For SAHM: It is not my intention to start a flame war...really. I don't have any SAHM friends that I feel would answer me without being offended by my asking: As a SAHM do you ever worry what would happen to your lifestyle if you and your DH divorced? Also, what do you plan on doing once your DCs are in school full-time?

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    07.14.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag ]
    • My lifestyle would not change if divorced because I take care of the kids and they would still need someone to take care of them even if dh and I were not together! Once all are in school I may look for a PT job.

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      07.14.09, 10:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • SAHM here. I have no idea what would happen if dh and I divorced although I know he would support the kids. I would have to return to work to support myself. Once dcs are full time in school I think I will return to work but I do love not working! My dh is very supportive of me SAH.

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      07.14.09, 10:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I am a SAHM. I don't really foresee a divorce in my future but I would do whatever I had to do. That's what being a mom is all about. Chances are I would get enough child support from him to at least only have to work part-time. Plus, he adores her so I know he would continue to do everything he could to take care of her. Once she is in school I will already be close to having #2 so when they are both at school I will just be home, probably have a p/t on-line business so I can be here when they get home.

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      07.14.09, 10:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If dh and I were to divorce I would be going back to work, not much would change as for my lifestyle because I do not over spend right now. When DC starts school full-time I will be back at work (family buisness). I am lucky enough to have a career waiting for me that will be flexible to my family.

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      07.14.09, 10:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • No divorce in sight here, but as someone who lost her dad when he was 48 and saw what happened to my own young mom who stayed at home - I have a solid education that I could easily fall back on and always worked very hard- I would definitely downsize my life - and moved to a less pricey nabe (say brooklyn instead of prime UWS) - for extra security- life happens. You need be prepared no matter what.

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      07.14.09, 10:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i don't worry about divorce, and once my youngest is in school (K) i am going back to school to get my master's degree and then work. i could go back to my field (i currently freelance) but i've always wanted to do something else...it'll depend on how much i can make in my existing field at that time.

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      07.14.09, 11:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If DH and I divorced, I couldn't care less about my lifestyle, but I would worry more about how it would effect my kids emotionally. I am also spending the last few years of my time at home (before #4 goes to school) looking into new careers- took a journalism class at night, pursued web design, etc. This time, I would like to find a career I really like.

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      07.14.09, 11:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If we divorced I would move to a smaller place but should have enough cushion from half of our assets to have some time to get back into the workforce. I did not quit my job until my oldest one was in school actually, not sure what I'll do once they all are. Ideally some part-time job.

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      07.14.09, 11:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Yes, I worry about this all the time actually. The fear of downgrading our lifestyle significantly is a big incentive for staying together. Mainly I worry about dc's emotional well-being of course.

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      07.14.09, 11:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • divorce would mean a big lifestyle change and a move closer to family to help with the kids. that would probably trigger a custody battle, but hopefully not. after dcs are full time in school i will work.

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      07.14.09, 11:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • One of us is going out in a bodybag first...no divorce allowed.

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      10.23.09, 06:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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