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  • [-]Which private schools in nyc are for profit besides claremont? anyone think it is weird for a school to be for profit?

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    10.25.09, 05:04 PM [ Flag ]
    • I think British International is also "for profit."

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      10.25.09, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • aren't they all for profit? i mean if not, where does 35K go?

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      10.25.09, 05:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: Most are non-profit, I'm pretty sure.

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        10.25.09, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Most private schools are "not-for-profit corporations" and 501(c)(3) charities. There are no owners/shareholders expecting to make money by running the business. Contributions (above what is paid for the services provided) are tax deductible. There is a Board of Directors responsible for running the corporation and making sure it stays within its budget. As for where your $35K is going - look at the 990 (NFP tax return and publicly available).

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        10.25.09, 06:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • To pay for all the teachers so they can have a low teacher:student ratio. Not that difficult to understand. Doesn't it cost the doe something like $17k to educate a child in public with large classes, few specials and a shared admin. overhead??

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        10.26.09, 06:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ECNS is a for profit school.

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        10.26.09, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Ecns charades as a nfp, when actually it is the owner/director's (Wendy Levy's ) piggy bank. Her board oversees nothing, she tells them what to do.

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          10.26.09, 09:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • As a natural "do gooder", got hooked into Epiphany's fund raising. After two years, disappointed to learn we have all been working to keep up Wendy Levy's lifestyle. Disgusting use of parents. My husband and I together make less than she makes. And I'm making cookies for her bake sales? And asking strangers for donations that basically go directly into her pocket? I am sick that I gave my talents to such an unworthy woman. Read about her behavior elsewhere, I've seen it and concur.

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          11.11.09, 09:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Most schools actually spend MORE on each kid than tuition brings in.

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        10.27.09, 08:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Dwight and I don't think it's weird. I'd rather think someone was being careful minding the store as long as the right amount is being spent on education. Look at what Spence did to their endowment last year. It's not a like the NFP model is so fantastic.

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      10.25.09, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Mandell

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      10.26.09, 06:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think York Prep, no?

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      10.27.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP or anyone else who ios knowledgeable, can you please explain the difference btwn a for profit and a NFP school to the rest of us parents? My kids go to a run of the mill private that is of course a 501c3. Ive never even heard of a for-profit elementary school! can someone please explain the concept? are there "investors" and "shareholders"? genuinely curious here. TIA.

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      10.27.09, 08:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: I thought it was strange to hear about these schools -- like an online university or something. My belief is there are investors who want to see a return. To me, a school should not be for profit -- 501(c)3 all the way. claremont is a great school -- great facilities, I'm sure a good education. But when I went to tour I felt as if I was getting a sales pitch. It was a bit weird. No dis to the school itself though.

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        10.27.09, 08:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NP: It's still a new school and they don't have the luxury of people falling all over themselvs to get a spot. They still have to market the school and I appreciate the fact that the shoe is on the other foot, somewhat. Other places make you feel like they're doing you a favor by talking to you.

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          10.28.09, 05:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • NFP will ask you for donations which will be tax deductible. For profit will not ask for donations. Beyond that, it all depends. Some FP will seem like they are all about marketing, but some NFP seem that way.

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        10.28.09, 05:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I agree. Also, it should be noted that there is a movement to take away the non-profit status of certain private schools because the public taxpayer is basically subsidizing luxury choices. Think about those schools with huge endowments and spending rates of 3%. So for-profit and not-for-profit is not so clear cut IMO.

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          10.28.09, 05:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • NFP is run by a (usually) non-paid board of directors. People volunteer their time, talent and money usually in exchange for the title. The board is financially responsible for the school to some extent, each member is liable and must be accountable. Their records are public information and many records are listed on the internet.

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        11.04.09, 08:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Claremont is for profit and they have an official not for profit org. to accept donations from the parents fundraising activities. Epiphany Community Nursery School is officially designated a not for profit, however, the director, Wendy Levy, owns and runs it as her own company and profits from it. Parents at Epiphany fund raise like crazy to make Wendy's $250,000 salary-one of, if not the highest paid nsd in NYC.

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          11.11.09, 08:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]TEAM Get Your Kid Out Of The Stroller Already He Is Dating

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    11.15.09, 03:25 PM [ Flag ]
    • heh

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      11.15.09, 03:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • you know, I generally agree with this but I have a 5 yo and we live almost 2 miles from school so sometimes I let him switch with his sister to rest if he is tired after school. I am just saying that sometimes there is a reason for it.

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      11.15.09, 04:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Stop just saying and start just walking. If he walked more, he might be less tired after school.

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        11.15.09, 04:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • unless dc is sick that is ridiculous. take the bus - ditch the stroller

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        11.15.09, 04:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • take the bus instead of walking so he doesn't rest in the stroller for a block or two? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? What is wrong w you people?

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          11.15.09, 05:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • He walks a lot - I am sure more than about 90% of kids out there and he is in excellent shape, extremely muscular and athletic. Sometimes he needs a little rest on our 2 mile walk home and if he does, he can have it - lighten up.

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          11.15.09, 05:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • this was meant for above

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            11.15.09, 05:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • he can have it if you want it is just ridiculous. 5 year old old in a stroller??

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            11.15.09, 05:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I will compare my 5yo's physique to that of your child any day of the week and isn't what it comes down to here - health? Or is it just a way to judge someone you have never met.

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              11.15.09, 05:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • hold up there - get defensive much? Who the heck is talking about the "physique" of a 5 year old. Do what you want but don't get defensive on urbanbaby. You must be kidding me. GL with the stroller

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                11.15.09, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I may get defensive when some idiot calls me ridiculous. Seriously, does your 5 yeor old walk 40 blocks after 6 hours of school? I think we are talking about health and physique is indicative of health.

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                  11.15.09, 05:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • whatever gets you through the day. I'm just an idiot so why let it bug you? I am not talking about health and physique. You have your reasons so whatever. I think a stroller at that age is odd (is that word choice more sensitive for you?) you have your reasons. Sure you can continue to call me names by why do you care? We are talking about what looks odd to us as INDIVIDUALS. To each his own. The post was a joke to start with - but you take it personally?

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                    11.15.09, 05:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • Why is it bad for a 5 yo to use a stroller? I always thought it was to promote walking and health. If that is not what it is about, what is it?

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                      11.15.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • hey, I am not in anyway qualified to say why it is bad. Personally, I think that it is infantilizing a child at that age. When you say to "promote walking and health" I assume you mean that of the mother?

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                        11.15.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I mean that it is better for a kid to walk 35 blocks and be in the stroller for 5 rather than take the bus for 40 blocks. Also, I do think that when kids see their mother walk, it is promoting a healthly lifestyle.

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                          11.15.09, 05:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • personally, I would have dc walk for as many as he/she could and then bus the rest of the way rather then use a stroller. That is my outlook but to each his own. I would have to agree with you that modeling health behavior like walk as much as possible is the best thing. I just feel strollers at a certain age are infantilizing but that is just me. I would rather have dc scooter and then walk or bus or taxi when there is no more energy left.

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                          11.15.09, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • well, I do have another kid (2yo) I am bringing around also, so it isn't really as easy to hop on and off the bus and have the older one on a scooter. These are just the parcticalities of taking 2 kids around the city which it sounds like you don't have to deal w. If I only had 1 for that walk home I would probably be judgemental about what others do too.

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                          11.15.09, 06:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • you're not qualified to say why it is bad, just that it is. Real helpful. I didn't know my MIL came on here.

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                          11.15.09, 06:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I had #2 just before #1 turned 4. Put away the stroller as soon as I saw the positive pregnancy test. It was fine. #1 is 8 and is still a fast walker. Sort of a requirement to live in the city, imo.

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                          11.15.09, 06:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • Mine walked 30, did a dance class, then walked 30 home at 5. It's not that far if a kid walks a lot and is fit.

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                    11.15.09, 05:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • a 5 yo in a stroller? seriously? don't you get looks on the street?

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        11.15.09, 04:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • honestly, I really don't care about looks on the street bc it works for us. My kid is one of if not the most active kids at his school for 6 hours. He is 75% height and 50% weight - I can understand if he is a little tired and does not want to walk 2 miles after running around all day.

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          11.15.09, 05:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • get me a t-shirt already. the offspring with facial hair and a nose ring splayed in the mac techno creeps me the eff out.

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      11.15.09, 04:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • my 5 y/o is occasionally in the stroller. but I admit its for my convenience when i want to get someplace fast.

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      11.15.09, 04:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • you're raising a lazy dc.

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        11.15.09, 04:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • should be fun touring college campuses with 18 y/o dc scrunched into the quinny zapp.

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        11.15.09, 04:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP here at least you admit it I guess.

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        11.15.09, 04:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • oh my gosh, i cannot imagine stuffing my 5 yo into a stroller! even if i need to get someplace fast! they actually banned strollers at my son's preschool, because they said so many parents were using them on kids who were much too old, and i found it hard to believe. but i guess it's true!

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        11.15.09, 04:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • same here for my 4yo- sometimes there just isnt enought time to let him walk 20 blocks! i really do not see what the rush is for all of our kids to move onto "next stages" and outgrow kiddie things. they will all be ok

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        11.15.09, 05:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Aw mommy wants baby to be baby forever

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          11.15.09, 05:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Actually, she sounds like she's paying attention to her kid's needs. OP was spoiling for some judgy insult hurling;Somebody lied to her and told her she was funny.Either she's responding in agreement to herself, or that person is on here too.

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            11.16.09, 05:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • LMAO!! My 3.6 yo hasn't used a stroller in months. Couldn't imagine jackknifing a 4, 5 or even 6 yo into one.

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      11.15.09, 04:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • well my 3.5 yo does and will definitely still at 4. No qualms about it. I need to walk fast so I want her in there. She gets tons of exercise.

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        11.15.09, 04:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Do you take her to the toddler run in Carl Schurz?

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          11.15.09, 04:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Sorry I don't live on the UES.

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            11.15.09, 04:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • btw = Everyone I know still uses a stroller with their 3 yo - so just because you rallied a group of UBers around you for your stroller hating cause doesn't mean you are in the majority.

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            11.15.09, 04:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • ITA! I live on UWS- have been here for years with all 3 dc and tons of 3-5 year olds are still in strollers mostly for convenience and to get around nyc!

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              11.15.09, 05:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • you don't need to walk fast. you can wake up earlier. you're just a crazed ny'er who has to speed-walk for no reason other than your neuroses.

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          11.15.09, 04:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • actually you don't have to tell me what to do - I will use the stroller as long as I wish. Walking is my exercise. Not slow mo with dd. Love it and it holds everything.

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            11.15.09, 04:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • so you're too lazy/cheap to go to the gym. in which case, walk at dc's pace. i'm sure you'll maintain your skeletor frame nonetheless.

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              11.15.09, 04:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • I don't need the gym - hate them anyway - why do you need to call me names? I'm skinny and fit and I'll continue to use a stroller. You think you'll sway any of us with your snarky nasty comments? Get to the gym and burn off that nastiness

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                11.15.09, 04:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • the only thing worse than a crazed, anorexic ny mom mowing you down at 30 mph with her stroller is one mowing you down with a 75-pound dc.

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                  11.15.09, 05:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • My kid is plenty fast; so was #1. So far, #2 has only walked a mile and a half or so at a time, but #1 could easily walk 5.5 miles in a day before 4 1/2. We pass adults on the sidewalk. The more kids do something, the better (and faster) they're able to do it. Walking is no different.

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          11.15.09, 04:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I can only hope you'll be laughing still,when that liberated 3.6yo gets a little older -and starts wishing they were in the stroller that little sis or bro is in.Or the one their friend's siblings have. Don't do a dance around the issue just yet.

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        11.16.09, 07:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • why do you care? live and let live.

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      11.15.09, 04:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • just think our 3.5 year old ds look a bit big and dumb in the stroller. but we take it on weekends so we can actually walk around the city at a regular clip, AND he still naps in it.

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      11.15.09, 04:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We bring a stroller for our 2.5 yo, and when she decides to walk, our 5 yo always plops in, especially when he's exhausted and wants to nap. This is 1% of the time. But glad to know that people care and judge us for it.

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      11.15.09, 04:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • you're welcome!

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        11.15.09, 05:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Go worry about your own kid. I'm happy to let my 5 yo take a nap while his sister walks if it's what he needs. Better for his health, his happiness and all involved.

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          11.15.09, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • 5 y/os don't need naps. this is simply your rationalization.

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            11.15.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • YOUR 5-yo doesn't need a nap. Mine naps for 2 hrs most days on the weekends. But thanks for the tip.

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              11.15.09, 05:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • np You have a bedtime issue if your 5 yo needs a nap. Talk to your ped; he/she will agree.

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                11.15.09, 05:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • agree. two-hour naps at that age indicate bad sleep schedule or a physical problem.

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                  11.15.09, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • Wow, thanks ladies. He sleeps from 8-7 every day, eats 3 great meals, my ped thinks he's in fantastic health (just had check-up), is smart, normal height/weight, etc, and simply needs more sleep than some...just like me. So while I appreciate the medical evaluation from strangers, I'll stick to what works best for my family. And sometimes that's letting my kid nap in a stroller.

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                    11.15.09, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • you mean what works best for you who would rather skip the gym.

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                      11.15.09, 06:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • What on earth are you even talking about anymore? This is on the weekends when my family and I are out enjoying our day together, and if we're in the park or wherever and the kid wants to rest and his sister is walking, then WHO CARES? WHY DO YOU? If you're intimating that I'm a lazy ass, then you have no idea: I'm a devoted runner. And if you're intimating that I'm obsessed with power-walking, then you've never walked w/a 2.5 yo who is choosing to walk alongside me and certainly isn't moving faster than 3 mph. Go get your own life and examine why this is bothering you so much.

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                        11.15.09, 06:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • devoted runner. bwahahaha!

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                          11.15.09, 06:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • ??? Lady, you're nuts.

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                          11.15.09, 07:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • This happens to some people when Monday comes and they don't have a vocation/career or strong path overall.

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                          11.16.09, 05:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Who/what are you referring to?

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                          11.16.09, 06:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • ^^ The Monday post. If you're referring to me (the OR who occasionally lets her kid sleep in the stroller), you couldn't be more off re: my career.

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                          11.16.09, 06:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Oh wait, I think you're referring to the OP who turned nuts in this thread. Yes, she probably has nothing else to focus on. Sorry for the confusion!

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                          11.16.09, 06:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • The poster(may be OP)talking about how fit,skinny,dancing,distance-walking child.

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                          11.16.09, 06:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Yeah, gotcha. :) I know - she needs to log off UB and do something else w/herself.

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                          11.16.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • #sorry, talking about her...Seriously, I would be more concerned with parents confusing the developmental needs of children with measures of adult fitness. What will become of our kids?I had stress fractures,tendon wear,ligament damage and some arthritis by 20 yo. Pounding the pavement can be devastating, regardless of your footwear.

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                          11.16.09, 07:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • this will be us in a year. cant wait for the stink eye!

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        11.15.09, 05:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Same with us. If the older child is tired, she can sit for a minute! I say it is better than me thinking I brought the stroller along for nothing and no one is going to sit in it. As soon as the young one sees the older one in it, the 3 year old wants back in. Which is good for me, keeps us moving along.

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        11.16.09, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i really don't understand why this is an issue. who cares if a 5 year old is in a stroller. doesn't mean he is lazy or parents are giving in. this city is so judgmental

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      11.15.09, 05:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • What does it mean? A normal 5 yo shouldn't be riding in a stroller--ask your ped.

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        11.15.09, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ha-ha. i'm picturing a disease known as quinniatitis. permanently curved back. knees fused to earlobes. head flattened in the shape of a bugaboo bee sunshade.

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          11.15.09, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ask my ped!? what a weak argument.

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          11.15.09, 05:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • LOL. OK, then, look at the weight limit of your stroller. Or the fact your kid 's chin is on his knees as he rides.

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            11.15.09, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • What is wrong with you that you care so much about what works for other people?

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              11.15.09, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • it will work until the seat rips out of your phil and ted's dumping dc to the pavement and you don't notice it for 20 blocks because you're running hell for leather to your bloomie nail appointment.

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                11.15.09, 06:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • So, what am I going to do when my 2.5 dd refuses the stroller. As it is now she walks next to it half the time. I really only want to use it once a week on the way home from the supermarket so I can throw all the cartons of milk and the jars of applesauce in the bottom basket! And trust me, there's no way I am pushing 75 mph when the groceries weigh more than 25pound dd! Maybe she could push it faster? Or maybe I can borrow the 5yo in the mac techno?

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      11.15.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • this has to be one of the best threads UB has ever seen.

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      11.15.09, 06:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • everyone who is posting that it's okay for 5 yo dc to ride a stroller because s/he is fit and healthy just doesn't get it. it's not about being fit. it's about age appropriate behavior. would you let 5 yo ds suck his thumb because he

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      11.15.09, 06:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ^^^emotionally well adjusted and doesn't have buck teeth?

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        11.15.09, 06:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np Dangerous Q--because many of these stroller lovers would say "yes". In my observation, kids in strollers late are also in the crowd sporting pullups when they're pushing 4 (or older!) and/or sucking a paci at 3.

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          11.15.09, 06:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • sorry to crush your theory but my dd who will still be using a stroller on occasion at 4 - she's 3.5 now was trained at 2 y 1 mo and gave up her paci at 10 months much to my dismay - but I'm sure that's just anacdata to you

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            11.15.09, 06:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ita

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        11.15.09, 06:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I've just logged on and am so amused by this post and the replies. What you don't get is that in most places outside of nyc, children are chauffered everywhere in a car. In NYC, we don't drive our children around; we walk very long distances! If a 5yo wants to take a load off for a few minutes and sit in a stroller, what is the problem? IN many cases, this is much easier than having to fold stroller, and get it, baby/ies and bigger child onto the bus or subway.

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        11.16.09, 03:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Thank you! In many cases the kid napping in the stroller is the same one who just walked on his/her own for 45 minutes.

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          11.16.09, 04:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Exactly! This whole thread is unbelievable. I can't believe how shocked people are by 4 or even 5 year old riding in a stroller. My 4 year old rode in a stroller fairly frequently--he is 5 now and never rides in by his own choice but who really cares?! Are people really concerned about looks they'll get? Do you care that much about strangers' opinions? And I am not mowing people down, btw. Don't assume just b/c someone has a stroller they're being aggressive with it!

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            11.16.09, 05:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I think it's those double strollers that take up the entire sidewalk - no the single strollers. THose are really intrusive

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              11.16.09, 06:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: In the suburbs, children are only in cars to the same extent as adults - they are not say, being pushed in strollers around the mall at age 5! Parents don;t want to give up the convenience of their fast walking everywhere to either slow down or take the bus and THAT is why they continue to put too old kids in strollers. IMO, having kids is inconvenient. That's part of the deal.

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          11.16.09, 06:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • That may be true, but children are in cars on the way to school (when NYC kids are walking), doing errands (when NYC kids are walking), on their way to classes/play dates/etc, all of which are when NYC kids are WALKING. So if some kid wants to take a break, what is the big deal???

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            11.16.09, 06:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Unless the 5 yo is in the mall for the majority of the day, every day, you can't compare it to city kids and their pedestrian way of life.

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            11.16.09, 06:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • so you think we choudl allhave fat gas asses like you suburbanits because we know that walking is better for ua sn our kids. You logic is astounding.

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            11.16.09, 11:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Can't believe I'm even giving credence to this post by debating it, but while kids are necessarily an inconvenience, and it is nice to take time and to walk everywhere w/them at their snail's pace, it's a luxury most of us cannot afford -- especially when there are other siblings involved.

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            11.16.09, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • bus, subway, taxi - there are other options. we often walk half way and take a bus the other half if the entire distance is too long. but kids will never get better at walking long distances quickly, if you don't start encouraging it at a young age and take away the option for the stroller. i mean, a 3yo will run around the playground, never taking a break for 5 or 6 hours, yet 15 blocks is too much?

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              11.16.09, 12:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • why do you think it is better to hop in a taxi or a bus or a subway halfway versus a stroller? no logic to your post. and certainly a better example for our children and better ecologically for a parent to walk.

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                11.16.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • IMO it IS preferable to walk, but if it's too much for dc (which I don't believe is the case for a typical 4yo) then I go with public transporation bc I think that dc need to learn to be independent and being pushed in a stroller for mom or dad's convenience is NOT about independence. Admittedly, no one really seems to care about that these days...A generation ago, strollers were gone by 3yo, now you see 5yo in them. What, suddenly walking got harder?

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                  11.16.09, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • certainly teaching our children to walk, to use gas sparingling and to move quickly from place to place are values just like independence. And a child does not learn independence by holding mama's hand on the bus.

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                    11.16.09, 02:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Above might work great in Manhattan, not so possible a strategy in outer boroughs.

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                11.16.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • that's insane - why pay when you can walk. Such a stupid comment - better for one to walk at least. You go pay taxi fare or sit waiting for a bus.

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                11.16.09, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • lol- yeah a 3 yo won't ever be able to walk far if they don't train for it now. You sound so stupid now

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                11.16.09, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i'm sorry but why do you care? seriously, find something real to worry about... signed, mom of a 3yo who's not in a stroller anymore...

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      11.16.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • To all the people who think that they need to bring a stroller everywhere in case their 5 y.o. needs to "rest", I say this: Find a bench.

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      11.16.09, 11:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I totally agree. I grew up in Manhattan & we walked everywhere at a young age (under 5). I see this more in suburban areas. You see these kids w/ their feet dangling from the stroller.

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      11.16.09, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I bet Team Get...He is Dating would get it's ass kicked by Team Mind Your Own Damn Business

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      11.16.09, 12:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I've heard this comment from a lot of out of town and foreign people who visit Manhattan. They are surprised to see so many big kids in strollers. Is this just a Manhattan thing? I once saw a child reading a Harry Potter novel while being pushed in a stroller!

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      11.16.09, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • now THAT cracked me up!!!!!

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        11.16.09, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: it IS a NYC thing. not only is it a walking city (good thing) but it's also a city that values speed, efficiency and convenience and using a stroller adds to that. making kids walk detracts from that. keep in mind, it's also a city full of affluent UMC parents that coddle their children and strollers are just the beginning...

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        11.16.09, 01:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I push DC home from K in a stroller so that he falls asleep so that (1) he can better consolidate the learning from his very full day; and, (2) he's well rested for DW's return from work. I don't think its infantalizing; when he was an infant, he was horizontal. With his current stroller, is more like he's travelling in business class.

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      11.16.09, 03:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • omg, i think this is actually the best crazy ub mommy rationalization i've ever heard here (and i've been here a looooooong time): i push my pubescent dc in a stroller so he, and i quote "can better consolidate the learning from his very full day." tina fey? are you out there somewhere? because this material rocks.

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        11.16.09, 03:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • obviously the sarcasm was wasted. but I got it ;)

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          11.16.09, 03:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Thank you. It took me a while to come up with that bit. But the anti-stroller crowd is correct about DC being too large for the stroller. Maybe there's a market for strollers for bigger kids. Riff on that while I explore my options.

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          11.16.09, 03:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • strollers for bigger dcs are called wheelchairs. actually i think the "jazzy" self-propelled one is for the fat, lazy types these dcs whose sneaker toes are worn through from scuffing the ground grow up to be.

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            11.16.09, 04:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • ok sorry to interupt but cracking up at this post and can't figure out what TEAM is??

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      11.16.09, 03:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Ok, I just read this thread. DD is 3.5 and I still take her out in a stroller for errands, grocery shopping that kind of thing. Most of her friends same age also are still in the stroller. I kind of thought that 5 was the cut off -- so I'm wrong then? Am I supposed to get her out of it now??

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      11.16.09, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Are you seriously asking ub women when to take your kid out of the stroller? Make your own decision - you do what is good for you. I'm not taking my 3.5 yo out of the stroller to please a bunch of anonymous loons.

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        11.17.09, 09:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • There's a cutoff and people will come take your stroller away if you're spotted with a child older than 4 in it. Then when you try to buy a new one you'll have to prove it's going to be used for a child under 4.

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          11.17.09, 10:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Is 2.5 too young for to go to the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade? Better to watch it on tv or is it worth going?

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    11.16.09, 06:15 PM [ Flag ]
    • god no.

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      11.16.09, 06:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If I lived in NY near the parade route, I might consider strolling out there for a brief time. However, to sit there on a cold blustery day for several hours with a 2.5 yr old whineing and crying....frankly, I'd rather have a tooth filled. 2.5 yr olds don't care about things like that; it's the parents that do. signed mom of 3

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      11.16.09, 06:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Definitely too young. The crowds are intense, and if the weather is cold, it just isn't that much fun. I did it when one of my kids was around 2, and he spent most of the time sullenly sitting in the stroller. For all the jostling, shoulder hoisting and hoarse shouting "Look, look", they don't even remember going.

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      11.16.09, 07:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • A contrary view: we took our kids every year when they were that age and they sat on our shoulders and really enjoyed it.

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      11.16.09, 07:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Depends how much of a journey it would be to get there. Around the corner, yeah, go for a bit. Anything involving subways, strollers and cranky toddlers, no way.

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      11.16.09, 07:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I took mine when he was 3 or 4. We got a decent spot in the park, kid on my shoulders, me leaning against a tree. Parade begins, clowns go by, then a band, a float, maybe some more clowns or something else, the first balloon and then ds says, ok lets go, I want to climb some rocks. he had seen enough; we spent the next hour climbing rocks.

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      11.16.09, 07:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We did it when DD was about 2 and it was great. We carried her in the Ergo and on our shoulders. Also it was a warm day for November -- wait and see what the weather is like.

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      11.16.09, 07:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • And what do you do if you stand there for one hour at a good spot and the kid cries about needing to go potty?

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      11.16.09, 07:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Visited Hoboken yesterday(good friends moved there) and I have to say I was very pleasantly surprised. DH and I are talking about it as an option (due in 5 mos) for more space but we had never considered it befroe. Any Hobokeners on?

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    11.08.09, 08:13 AM [ Flag ]
    • we moved to hoboken last year and love it

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      11.08.09, 08:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • yup, live here and love it. glad you enjoyed your time here!

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      11.08.09, 08:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I have a couple of friends there with small kids and they love it. I don't think the school options are great, but you have time to worry about that.

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      11.08.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Moved here 7 years ago, now have 2 kids (1yo and 3yo). I love it, but it isn't the same as living in Manhattan. Not in a bad way, but anyone who tries to sell you on "oh, it's just like being in the city..." isn't being honest. Some things are better: more for your money, housing-wise, slightly slower pace), some things aren't (fewer school options, can't take a cab home from the city, if your friends are in the city, it takes a lot of planning and cajoling to get them to visit). I have times that I really miss living on the UWS, but moving here was a great choice for us and our family.

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      11.08.09, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Love it love it love it. Have 2 kids ages 1 and 4. Sending older kid to public preschool here (free and good). For elementary not sure yet but charter schools are excellent and hearing good things about the public elementary esp. Wallace. Great sense of community. New mayor and board of ed members + increasingly active parents = things are looking up for education. There's a yahoo group -- google HobokenMoms -- and you can get a lot more information there.

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      11.16.09, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I didn't think there was a supermarket in Hoboken, is that accurate?

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      11.16.09, 09:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • and isn't the town bankrupt? property taxes are insane.

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        11.16.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • No -- there's a very large shoprite and an A&P, plus a Target and a larger A&P less than a mile away

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        11.16.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • but you need a car to get to those. you can't walk over to a supermarket, right? it's all bodegas or cvs

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          11.16.09, 09:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Yes, you can walk to the A&P at 7th and Clinton or the Shoprite at 9th and Madison -- the whole city is only a mile square. And I have walked to the Target in Jersey City many times. We also have a Garden of Eden and several health food stores.

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            11.16.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I don't get it. Is moving to an apartment in Hoboken like a stopover before you move to a house in another burb? With 2 young dcs we will either stick it out in the city or buy a house in the burbs, not an apartment in the burbs. it doesn't make sense to me.

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      11.16.09, 09:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ditto. particularly in a burb with barely any good schools and property taxes as high as places where you actually get a yard. no thanks. i'd move to brooklyn before i'd move to hoboken.

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        11.16.09, 09:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Or looking at it another way -- it's the best of both worlds. More space and quieter than the city, but still really close to manhattan and very walkable, lively, great street life and sense of community.

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          11.16.09, 06:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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