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  • [-]Feeling crummy. DC plays a high school sport & told me not to come watch as it would be embarrassing & no parents come. Just found out every parent goes but me. Ouch. I'm older(50) but trim & dress reasonably. DC at tt private & we don't have the $ most do but I didn't think I was someone to be ashamed of. This hurts.

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    10.08.09, 10:31 AM [ Flag ]
    • I am sorry OP. Maybe DC is embarassed by how he plays and not by you and maybe he just doesn't want you to see him not do great. Maybe? I hope it is this way and not the other, because I would behurt by that too.

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      10.08.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • you need to confront him about it. Maybe the reason is that he feels he's not as good as his peers at the sport and feel embarassed. If he really is ashamed of you you need to tell him off big time

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      10.08.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • All teenagers "hate" their parents...Please don't take it personally and it may have nothing to do with how you look. He is just embarrassed to have his "mom" there. Go anyway... You know that deep down, he wants you to be proud of him:)

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      10.08.09, 10:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP: thanks posters above for trying. It's a team where you're ranked and DC is #1 so it's not that DC is ashamed of how plays.

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      10.08.09, 10:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • In that case I would attend every game. Do not let your ds call the shots.

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        10.08.09, 10:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • When he graduates with honors from Harvard, he will tell you how much you attending his games ment to him--promise!

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        10.08.09, 10:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Totally disagree. My best friends were made playing sports, and still to this day, and my very vest friend ahd one of those moms that atteneded every game, puched and pushed. She quit the sport once she got in to Princeton, and her relationship with her mom is crappy. I played in college, and am very close with my mom - who rarely attended.

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          10.08.09, 10:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • My father never attended one of my sports (or other) events. I was always sorry he didn't attend a few. I felt like he wasn't interested in what I was doing. I didn't want my parents there yelling and being loud, just sitting quietly in the back.

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            10.08.09, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • But did you ask him to come or not? This guy asked her not to come! You sound like YOU needed the support. He doesn't!

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              10.08.09, 12:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • THIS IS RIDICULOUS---think about what you are advocating.. OP: please go, if your relationship turns bad it will not be from this..much better chance DC will learn to appreciate it, if you skip it you can NEVER go back in time--hang in there

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            10.08.09, 11:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • You are ridiculous. Parents cheering on the sidelines is a very small fraction of parenting - and it's not even one on one time. No matter how "cool" your parents are, it is embarassing to have them cheering you on. Only adult persceptive makes you think this is supportive..

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              10.08.09, 12:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • i think it's diff. for everyone. dad was captain of a national football team and his mother never once saw him play the game; when in high school as a cheerleader, parents never came to stuy football or basketball games. i don't think it's necessary to go to all these things at an older age (even at a younger one, truth be told)

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            10.08.09, 12:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • ITA. I would imagine that the really, really great players do no thave these moms on the playing field. They are out, forgetting about parents and responsiblities and enjoying the game. That was my point. And he is REALLY GOOD according to OP. So let him be.

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              10.08.09, 12:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • i also think you society does more harm "pitying" the kids who don't have their parents' "support" enough already. some people can make it and some can't.

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                10.08.09, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • go and don't tell him until many games later that you've already been going. and don't take it personally. kids can be unbelievably mean to their parents without even realizing the impact (see, e.g., df's elementary-aged son who said to her, why can't you be skinny like all the other moms? big ouch.)

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      10.08.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Wish I could give you a hug--I am absolutely you, on all counts. When my oldest dc did this to me, I was crushed. What saved me was younger dc, who insists that I attend all games (and won't go if I don't). Younger one convinced me the problem was not me but standard teenage self-consciousness and cluelessness when it comes to others' feelings. Some kids claim to be embarrassed no matter who their parents are (watch out, Brad and Angelina). If you would enjoy the games, go and have fun. The other parents will be glad to have you and the kids ignore the parents anyway. Other poster also has a point--my older dc is no great athlete and I'm sure that was part of the problem!

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      10.08.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • There comes a time when every DC is embarassed by their parents. It's part of growing up and forging an identity separate from your family. Respect his wishes, but make it clear to him that you really do want to watch him and that you are proud of him - he might change his mind.

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      10.08.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • tell him, not us, and do't go. (parents don't have to go to every thing - certainly not at hs.)

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      10.08.09, 10:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Teenagers go through a period when they don't want to be seen with their parents, so don't take this personally. But I would go watch his games. Tell him he can ignore you if that's what he needs to do, but it's important to keep being supportive of the things he does.

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      10.08.09, 10:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • this is just such psychobabble, it's not funny.

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        10.08.09, 10:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: sorry, but I agree with her. How many teenagers do you have? Mine are definitely at the age when they don't want to be seen with their parents.

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          10.08.09, 11:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ITA. mine isn't a teenager, but my brother's are and they want nothing to do with their parents. their DD would rather hang out with me and my 5 y/o than be seen in public with her own parents.

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            10.08.09, 11:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • sigh. doesn't this seem anecdotal to you.

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            10.08.09, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You know what? If he is really #1, and you never go, and he asked that you not come, I would just go OCCASIONALLY, maybe to play-offs. I was a total athlete in High school, varsity as a freshman in field hockey, ice hockey and lacrosse. I played bc I loved it, and my parents never encouraged/pushed sports, or attended every game like other kids' parents. I was much better off bc I played bc I loved it, not my parents. I nnever worried about dissappointing them. I remember my dad actually commenting about my hockey performance once and I felt really really bad.. And actually, when my parents did come, it made me much more nervous. Its very different to have your parents watching you..and if your child does so well without you, you may be he...

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      10.08.09, 10:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I can see it would be embarrassing if my parents came to HS game. Not even a big homecoming game.

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      10.08.09, 10:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • are you going for yourself or for him?

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      10.08.09, 10:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: I've never gone to a game as was told parents didn't come & I believed it. Apparently, all the other parents come to support their kids. It hurts to think that DC would rather be the only kid without a parent present than have me there. BTW, this isn't football or some sport with a big crowd. It stands out that DC is the only one without a parent.

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        10.08.09, 11:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Not exactly the same situation, but similar: when I was in high school my father broke his leg and was in a cast/crutches for 6 months. I hated going anywhere in public with him b/c I felt everyone was looking at us-- in the grocery store, etc., I would walk a distance away from him. To this day I feel bad about it-- I mean what a loser I was! Here he as, divorced dad, couldn't work for 6 months in a bleak New England winter; must have been awful and depressing. OP, I think this is just another case of an insensitive teen. Or maybe other kids have made comments to him (not directly about you) about not having as much $$ and he feels he needs to hide his family? Hard to know. Take heart. In the end he will come to realize what's important.

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      10.08.09, 11:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ^^^I would suggest going to the games. He's a great player and you shouldn't be denied the enjoyment of watching him succeed. He will get over it. Family is more important than sports or friends.

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        10.08.09, 11:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP: thanks all for your understanding. It was just what I needed because I wouldn't tell anyone IRL.

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      10.08.09, 11:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP: thanks for your thoughtful answers. One funny thing tho'...you all assumed DC was a boy but it's a DD. We've always been close & so it came as such a surprise.

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      10.08.09, 11:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • so, are you going to go to the next game???

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        10.08.09, 12:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I don't know but I don't think so. DD has been clear she doesn't want me there & it's a small enough crowd that she'll see me & feel like I came despite her wishes. My purpose is to support her & I don't think I'd be doing that if she doesn't want me.

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          10.08.09, 01:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OK. So I was on the son bandwagon, and am the varsity poster above, and a female. My mom never came to much relative to other moms..she cam just enough that I know she knew I was good, and that was it..and I was no 1. If she is a great kid, and she knows you are there for her, dont feel insulted. Be proud of her.

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        10.08.09, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I would go OP. I'm sorry your DC hurt you this way. I have teens too and they have said and done things which hurt my feelings immensely. But live the commercial tag line...never let em' see you sweat. Teens will say the most hurtful things on the planet, because all that hormone coursing through their veins makes them psychotic and somewhere in the back of their minds they know you can take it and you know what. We can. Also, don't fret about your age. I'm a "young mom" and my children were embarrassed of me once they became teenagers. I had them young and I look really young. They didn't like that their friends would say I looked like J. Lo or Beyonce (no I do not dress like them. I'm actually pretty dowdy/hippiesh). My oldest son even sa...

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      10.08.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ...said I didn't look smart. This really hurt as I busted my ass putting myself through 2 ivies so I could build a better life for them.

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        10.08.09, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP, don't worry - she's just going through a teenage thing. Are you good friends with any of the other moms of girls on the team? If, so I would just tell her "well, Judy and I wanted to go see the first half," and go and hang out with other mom friend. At end, don't hang around -- just get out of there and congratulate her at home.

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      10.08.09, 12:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • eg, don't be doting, don't be isolated and out of place, don't lurk around and bother her... probably all things she's worried about. once you go once and she sees it's clearly not a big deal and you fit in just fine, she'll be fine, and probably really glad you came.

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        10.08.09, 12:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I'm the poster above you, and this is good advice.

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        10.08.09, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: I don't know the other moms because we just started at the school o/w I would do this.

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        10.08.09, 01:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I think you should talk to you dd, let her know that you know that everyone else's parents come, tell her you will of course respect her wishes, but you need to know why she feels it would be embarrassing for you to be there.

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          10.08.09, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • This is really common. Bring food. I'm the mom who brings cookies after a game. My DC is a little annoyed, but the other kids LOVE it and now expect it, and REALLY appreciate it. Also, even if you don't know the other moms - they all have teenagers, they all get it. I bet every single one would say, sure let's go together.

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          10.09.09, 06:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Thanks. It's a good idea. If DD ever says it's okay to come, I'll just have some cookies with me (in a low key kinda way).

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            10.09.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Don't feel bad - I for the most part liked my parents and was a good 3-sport athlete. I HATED for my parents to come to my games. Not sure why, but I did.

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      10.08.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Would you be mad if your Jewish son was "dating" a Black or Hispanic girl?

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    10.07.09, 08:46 AM [ Flag ]
    • no

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      10.07.09, 08:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It's about class to me, not about race. Is she UMC with educated parents?

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      10.07.09, 08:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • That didn't sound right. I don't care about her parents background as long as SHE'S on the right track. Is she college bound?

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        10.07.09, 08:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • no. and why the quotation marks?

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      10.07.09, 08:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i'm not ok with my black girl dating a white guy

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      10.07.09, 08:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I wrote this post (I am the girl) and his parents are pissed. They are very conservative and my race is an issue.

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      10.07.09, 08:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • is it because of your race or because you aren't Jewish + your race?

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        10.07.09, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • dont be put off by their ignorance. rise above it.

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        10.07.09, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • this is no justificaition -- because they sound racist -- but some jewish parents really do not wahnt their children dating non-jews because they want jewish grandchildren.

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        10.07.09, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Likely even if you were white, your "race"/religion would be an issue for Jewish parents. My Jewish friend was told by her mother that it would be like another victory for Hitler if she married her Christian boyfriend. It is not personal. Sorry you are going through this.

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        10.07.09, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • This is so true. But eventually many come around. MIL threatened to cut-off BIL if he married white catholic girlfriend. Said she would not go the wedding. She did and she is now very close to SIL.

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          10.07.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Agreed but if I were a young woman dating a Jewish guy and facing these issues with his family, I would probably cut my losses (unless we were both ready to be married and making steps towards that) because there is also a good chance the guy will return to the fold / bow to the pressure.

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            10.07.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • That stinks. Just FYI though... I am white, Catholic and dated a white, Jewish boy in high school. His parents didn't approve of me AT ALL. It had nothing to do with race, it was religion. I know for a fact that they liked me, thought I was smart, motivated, talented and a good influence on their son socially... they approved of our friendship 100% but I wasn't Jewish and once we started dating, that was a deal breaker.

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        10.07.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • what's wrong with people wanting to preserve their culture?

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          10.07.09, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • If my non-jewish parents were to say that they didn't want me dating a jewish guy to preserve their gentile culture, they would be considered anti-semitic, but jewish people think it's totally ok to object to their kids dating non-jews to protect their jewish culture. It's equally racist, not to mention hypocritical. For a group of people who have been persecuted throughout history, you would think jewish people would be more inclusive and accepting of differences.

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            10.08.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Hear hear! Judaism is a religion first and foremost. Love should be the only factor in choosing a life partner. I know plenty of mixed race/ethnicity/background marriages that are successful (mine included) and plenty that felt compelled due to religion/family relationships, etc. that failed. Do what is right for you! My in-laws were sceptics of our relationship at first and now adore me.

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              10.08.09, 08:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • What about Asian, many Jewish boys are obsessed with Asian women.

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      10.07.09, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I think it is a submissive thing since their Jewish mothers are so bossy and controlling, they want to rebel against it.

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        10.07.09, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np; Asian women are submissive in the US? Please. How insulting.

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          10.07.09, 09:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ITA!

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            10.07.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • maybe not generally, but the ones who marry jewish men seems very meek and quiet. and the jewish men that marry asian are the most nebbishy of all. so maybe it's just a natural fit.

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            10.07.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • at the risk of overgeneralizing, in my onservation this has often boiled down to a height issue, not anything about wanting a submissive gf! Jewish guys tend to be shorter, so do Asian women--it's a nice fit. And even on a cultural level--again at the risk of sounding sterotype-y--there are often certain similarities in personality and inclination--academically driven, sometimes nerdy. A lot of the Jewish guys and Asian women I knew growing up were similar in these ways, so again, a natural fit.

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              10.07.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • oops--sorry for many typos!

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                10.07.09, 09:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • ok, but where are all the jewish women and asian men?

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                10.07.09, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I don't know! These things are mysterious.

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                  10.07.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • np: empirically, asian women are the group most likely to date outside their race. don't know why.

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                    10.07.09, 09:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • what about jewish men? more likely to date/marry out than jewish women?

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                      10.07.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • i don' t beleive there is a lot of data on that probably because jews are a very small percentage of the US population. studies I have seen look only at black, white, latino and asian as relevant categories.

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                        10.07.09, 09:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • outside their race or date white men?

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                      10.07.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • i believe it wasoutside their race hi, latino and black men. (I haven't seen studies lookig at gay relationships this way).

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                        10.07.09, 09:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • oops, that got really garbled. It woulddl include white, latino and black men dating asian women.

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                          10.07.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • i know this is crazy, but i just hope that Annie Le's MIL-to be did not give the couple a hard time, because even if she did eventually come around--she'd probably feel really guilty about it now. i know that i would.

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                10.07.09, 09:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Maybe to you, someone is meek and quiet if she is not loud and quarrelsome?

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              10.07.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • no, someone is meek and quiet if they do not utter more than a single word all year and stay huddled in the back of the elevator, for example.

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                10.07.09, 09:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Wow, I know plenty of Asian women who married white jewish men and they are not like your description at all. I think you have issues.

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                  10.07.09, 09:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I guess they must not be marrying Chinese women from Hong Kong? We are loud and aggressive bunch. And yet many did marry white and Jewish guys, too.

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              10.07.09, 09:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • the confident and assertive asian women i know married other asian men.

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                10.07.09, 09:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Just a few words about the loud and aggressive bunch. Many Asian women married white guys because they feel that their social status will be elevated and they be more acceptable by the mainstream society. It's just like wearing brand names all over you to tell the world that you are better. They see their husbands as the trophy/status symbol and often look down upon their fellow Asian men and women. I agreed that Asian women who married Asian men are confident and has a strong sense of who they are.

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                10.07.09, 06:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Actually, I thought many of the Asian wives are trophy also. Anyway, it's dangerous to think one marries outside her race bec she is insecure. I think it takes confidence as well to marry interracially. I don't know if people think about status when they fall in love.

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                  10.07.09, 07:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I'm sorry, but I find this discussion ridiculous. I'm an Asian woman married to a guy I really like, who grew up in the next town over but whom I didn't really get to know until we went to the same college. We shared a lot of mutual interests and friends, and fell in love. He happens to be white, like the majority of people in our state and school. This little trophy theory of yours is offensive.

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                  10.07.09, 07:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • btdt. very, very painful, and whether it can succeed depends on the type of guy you've got. at some point, he'll have to choose between you and them because they are highly unlikely to change. i will say that you deserve to join a family that will love you and not seek to undermine your relationship at every possible turn.

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      10.07.09, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • They are already making him choose. My area is filled with Jewish people and I saw him a lot. I never though I would date someone Jewish and it started as a fling...we were very curious. He is the most beautiful person in this world to me and I know how much he cares for his family especially his grandmother. Maybe the best thing is for us to go our separate ways. Maybe I should leave and never look back btw we're young. I also don't feel like I am getting honest responses because you don't want to offend me.

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        10.07.09, 09:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • no, that was my honest reponse. he will have to choose. if you want to make the choice first by breaking it off, you can do that, but eventually a choice will have to be made. my guess is that he's going to choose his family given your age and the fact that he is likely to buckle under the pressure given how close he is with his family. it's just an awful, awful experience, but i can tell you from the other side of it that better experiences are coming for you. if the ending isn't happy, then it's not yet the end.

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          10.07.09, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Is it that you are black or that you are not Jewish?

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      10.07.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Would your grandparents be mad if your waspy father were dating a Jewish girl?

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      10.07.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • agree with the other posters who are saying it's about religion instead of race. Going forward, you should expect multiple issues over religion, so be ready to deal with them

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      10.07.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i totally disagree. I have been in exactly op's position before, and it is NOT just about religion. it's both race and religion, because converting would not solve the problem. the reason why asian women are different, in my experience, is that the stereotypes work in their favor, whereas the stereotypes about black people generally, and black women specifically, work against them (or, rather, us).

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        10.07.09, 09:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It's both. He told me that they don't want people like me in their family. I was told that there are different branches of Judaism so could what kind his family is play a part in why they are so against us?

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      10.07.09, 09:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i don't think you're going to be able to find an answer to their behavior that is going to make sense to you given that there is some racism involved and racism just isn't rational. for that reason, i wouldn't spend a whole lot of time trying to find a branch of judaism that you think will be accepting. focus on finding someone who loves you for who you are and all that you can and will become.

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        10.07.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • definitely. I have personally found the Condervative Branch of Judaism to be the most sanctimonious and smug. The Reform are more open and the Orthodox have a solid sense of themselves and don't mingle too much socially with the secular world. The Conservtive ones are always looking their noses down on the Reform and everyone else.

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        10.07.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • maybe, but I do know pretty Reform Jews who are also very worried about jews dying out and therefore realy want their kids to date and marry other jews. However they are often more accepting of conversion thatn orthodox jews.

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        10.07.09, 09:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Yes because some branches really don't accept converts. "Your children will never be accepted as fully Jewish" was what a good, open-minded, Jewish family friend told my sister when she was seriously involved with a Jewish man. My sister was very open-minded to converting and would have taken it very seriously, led a much more Jewish life than her partner and his family. Not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but you know that the Jewish religion is considered to be passed down via the mother, NOT the father?

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        10.07.09, 10:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • There are very few branches that don't accept converts at all. It's just not a simple matter, you have to show you're committed to it. I know several people who converted Orthodox.

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          10.07.09, 10:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • absolutely not, race and religion don't come into it. I would like my Jewish son to date a kind,smart, college educated woman!

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      10.07.09, 09:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Interracial relationships are always hard, even with the most enlightened families. I am mixed myself and my husband's WASC [White Anglo Saxon Catholic] family was very nasty to me while we were dating. Now that we're married, it's better-- his mother in particular does seem to trying to make amends. But I still resent their behavior and I really miss having great in-laws (prior to my husband I dated a man from a lower-middle class Scandinavian family and they were incredibly warm and welcoming, if a little clueless). So, it can get better after they know that their nastiness isn't going to chase you off but it'll always be an issue.

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      10.07.09, 09:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • no problem as long as she's jewish too.

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      10.07.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • we can't read their minds on the race issue, but I'm sure the religious issue is a problem for them.

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      10.07.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • His parents mentioned sending him to live with another relative for a while. I love him too much to make him choose because I know he needs his family's financial support to pay for college. My friends think that he will be married off and forced to forget about me if I don't also encourage him to choose (I believe he will choose me). He is smart and he deserves to go to college (accepted to Ivy League). Thank you for your opinions (crying)...I have to let him go...he does not know I am pregnant and I will make it easier by not telling him. I could not love him the way I do and make him leave the path of a great life with an excellent education to worry about me and a baby...that's my problem. Thanks.

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      10.07.09, 09:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • married off? he will go off and forget you.

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        10.07.09, 09:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • oh, gosh. The two of you must be so young. And the fact that you're pregnant changes everything. You have to tell him right away since whatever decision are made have to be made together. You can't just try to do whatever you think is the best thing for him. You have to be fair to him, give him all the information about your situation and respect him enough to let him be involved in the choices.

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        10.07.09, 09:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Is this for real? If this is not a fake post, and you are really pregnant, then it doesn't matter what is good for him. From here on out, if you are having that baby, then everything depends on what is good for the baby. That baby will need his/her father for financial and emotional support. You've got to tell him, and he will have to break it to his parents. You are going to need all the help you can get, believe me, from both of your families. Even if you decide not to have the baby, this is a decision that he should be involved in also. You should not be dealing with this alone.

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        10.07.09, 09:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!

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        10.07.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • no, i would want my son to be happy. that said, i'm jewish and while it would not be an issue for me at all, i can understand that when it comes to marriage and raising a family, a parent might look at it from the perspective of wanting things to be "easier" for their child, regarding decisions about how to raise their children in terms of religion.

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      10.07.09, 09:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • it depends on who the girl was. just plain fact that black or hispanic, no

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      10.07.09, 09:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • the whole post sounds fake. No pregnant lady would put the "happiness" of a crappy future MIL ahead of the baby's. Anyway, if you're pregnant with his DC you have an OBLIGATION to tell him. It's his DC too!! f%^ck the in-laws. You're not the first or the last who would have a bad relationship with the inlaws

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      10.07.09, 09:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • not at all! as long as she seems like a good person, i will be happy.

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      10.07.09, 09:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'd want my son to date/marry a Jewish girl, because the religion and culture is important to me and it's really hard to maintain. Couldn't care less what race/ethnicity as long as she was Jewish.

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      10.07.09, 10:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ditto - i really believe that having a common culture is helpful to marriage - if the girl was jewish don't care so much about race

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        10.07.09, 10:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • not if she was jewish

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      10.07.09, 10:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Honestly, I know I will prefer it if my kids date and marry not only other white men/women ... but, in the end I know I could get over this provided the person is UMC and well educated. The class issue is definitely more important to me. Hope that helps and good luck. How old are you, anyway? The way you say "mad" in your question makes me wonder what you're doing on this board!

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      10.07.09, 11:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • How old is the son? I dated a Catholic guy when I was 16. It was not like I was going to marry him!

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      10.07.09, 11:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • My black aunt married a very successful Jewish man. His family was very accepting. She converted to Judaism and is very active in their temple.

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        10.07.09, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Just totally disappointed. Grandchildren will only be Jewish if the mother is Jewish. This post is fake, but the problem of marrying outside the Jewish religion is a real problem today.

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      10.07.09, 04:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Well, if the Jewish religion considered kids with non-Jewish mothers but with Jewish fathers to be Jewish, it may not be such a big problem today.

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        10.07.09, 06:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Yeah, like changing your religion is such an easy thing. There is nothing wrong with marrying your own kind. It doesn't mean you can't have a variety of friends or live in a mixed community.

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          10.07.09, 07:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Who said anything was wrong with marrying your own kind? No one. But, people are attracted to whoever they are attracted to and it usually starts young. My husband is white, though not Jewish. His mother said she's not surprised he married a Black woman because he always liked the Black girls in his class since he was a little boy. Also, many Black families are not so keen on their children "marrying outside the race" either. I'm always surprised when people assume the Black family would automatically be fine with a mixed race marriage.

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            10.08.09, 08:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Didn't read through all the posts but if this isn't serious, consider ending it unless he is 100% behind you and he is past 17. This isn't just about race. It is religion. Race is something they can learn to live with, religion isn't. I was in a similar situation so it was college. At the end, I did not have the energy to be between a mother and his son and I was not willing to convert if things got serious enough to plan marriage. She loved me. Wans't about my race actually. I believe that completely. Now that I have many Jewish friends who observe, I understand. I may not agree with it but I understand.

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      10.08.09, 11:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]How to get self worth? Feel like I'm feeling uncertain about my role as SAHM...feeling old a little too. Feeling bored with friendships and the balance of life somehow...who gets it right with mom time, family time, date night, girls night out....who has the answers? What do you gals do, to create self worth and harmony?

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    09.30.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag ]
    • Rule # 1: No one has it all. Chip away at the most "together" Mom you know, and you'll find some weaknesses.

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      09.30.09, 05:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • chip away with me and you'll get EXHAUSTED!

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        09.30.09, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Well that's just what I mean. Even the most "I'm so together" beautiful, monied, perfect looking Mom at drop off has issues. This "having it all" crap is just an illusion.

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          09.30.09, 05:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • that

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            09.30.09, 05:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • That's the first step. What I do is take the top three priorities in my life and focus on them. I am a WOHM so my three are; my family, my friends and myself not necessarily in that order. I take it week by week. this week was my family with school in swing I concentrated on homework, field trips, next week will be my friends; going to a wedding, the following week will hopefully be a me week. gym, haircut, winter shopping. It just goes round and round with adjustments. my career is basically in control so I try to focus on one interest per week and it's working, I've gotten into a routine, and I find that I always have something fun to look forward to.

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              09.30.09, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Good format! Its sounds doable...lol! Thanks! do you shop with friends? I find that I can't anymore...too social, it slows me down. I want to get in and out.

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                09.30.09, 06:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I never shop with friends but I will have lunch with them if time permits. When you have kids I just find the time alone a comfort. Also, I am not opposed to saying no, sorry I can't and then going to a bookstore or whatever by MYSELF, be it 15 minutes or an hour.

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                  09.30.09, 06:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • ^^my commas are out of place due to sticky keyboard

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                09.30.09, 06:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • having it all is crap. I appear to have it all, or so I'm told and I end up fried and cooked at the end of the day. Caffeine is no longer my friend, I feel like a hag.

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              09.30.09, 06:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • to all appearances my SIL has it all-- fun, fulfilling, prestigious career... a supportive husband with a lucrative job... beautiful son who is talented, studies well, and a really nice kid. Then one remembers she is in remission from cancer...

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                09.30.09, 06:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I feel the same way. 38 and what do I have to show for it? Looking at it one way I have a beautiful family. Looking at it another way, I once had a decent brain and top-rate education, but nothing to do with them but fold laundry and arrange play dates... and as for me time and time for dh, ha! I'll be watching this topic to see if there's an answer.

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      09.30.09, 06:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • 42 here and i've been known for sneaking off for an hour massage on lunch break. make that a two hour lunch break.

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        09.30.09, 06:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • harmony: yoga. self-worth: that's a bigger issue. i think therapy is the first place to start.

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      09.30.09, 06:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We're all flying by the seat of our pants, honey. Do the best with what you've got and work with dh to figure out the rest. . .

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      09.30.09, 06:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Ideally, self-worth is just something you have. Not something that you get from this or that thing you do. But, in the real world, people get a lot of their self-worth (or not) from their work. And, to a SAHM who is feeling low on self-worth, I would say that you are probably putting a tremendous amount of energy into an important, rather lonely, thankless job. And you deserve to feel good about that.

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      09.30.09, 07:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My mother did a good job and I'm trying to emulate her : WOHM in a job with some flexibility and allow WAH on days when being home is necessary. Live close to family, have maybe one get-together each weekend with all the kids

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      10.01.09, 06:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think that I finally have it right. I work fulltime, but I start very early and end early. Have the full afternoon with the kids. They're asleep by 7:45 and I make sure to go out with friends at least 2 nights a week after they are asleep. Lots of time with dh because he has very good and flexible hours. It took a long time to get to this point, but I finally feel that everything is in balance!

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      10.01.09, 07:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I feel like I'm very happy with my life. I'm a sahm (have an Ivy league degree/advanced degree) but gave my career a "break." I'm definitely going back after the last of our kids is in school. I have a lot of friends (mom friends, college friends, new friends) whom I see at lunch/nights out. I go out with dh twice a week every week. Most importantly, I know I can do anything I want career wise when I decide it's time. I'll always have my education. Finally, I really could care less about material stuff, clothes. That stuff doesn't impress me in the least. Would rather shop at Target and spend my money on going out with dh and friends and making sure my kids get a great education. Also, I'm really not jealous of anyone I know - b/c I know t...

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      10.01.09, 07:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • you don't realize it now but you're giving your dc the gift of security and well being because a parent is with them. don't underestimate the value of this for them. YOU need some new interests - think of some courses or personal interest activities that you can pursue and get child care to get away for just you. this worked for me, plus get togethers with friends and their kids (was connected with my friends). as your dc get older, the whole lifestyle will change and you'll have more and more time for you, but now make that time for something important for you. good luck to you.

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      10.01.09, 07:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I just got a great hair cut and that definately helped on the feeling frumpy/ old part. I have a 15 mo and am pregnant. I've basically come to the conclusion that my trade off for the next few years are things like not being able to do languid beachy vacations for the pure joy of seeing my kids develop. I have made working out a few times a week a priority and that definitely helps w seratonin levels. Motherhood is one big trade off. I'm still figuring out what can give and what are non nevotiable for me. I hear you on the friend front. I have many girlfriends and surprisingly it's the one with kids that I'm starting to feel less conected. I'm just rambling now and can't see what I have typed because I'm on my phone...so I hope I sa...

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      10.02.09, 08:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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