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  • [-]32 year old single woman - I hear 2 different things about SF, intersted in Sillicon valley 1) its a great place to meet single men 2) forget about meeting single men there are 5 hot young women for every man - which is it? thanks

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    02.09.12, 01:47 PM Flag ]
    • I grew up in Silicon Valley. First, it is not SF. It's a totally different place and vibe. Second, I don't know about it being a great place to meet single men. I met my husband in London. Just sayin'.

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      02.09.12, 01:50 PM Flag
    • I found a lot of the men in the Bay Area were either gay or workaholics/not dating. I moved back to NYC for work and met my husband when I was 38

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      02.09.12, 01:51 PM Flag
    • The tech industry is male dominated and the heart of Silicon Valley. Thus, there are likely more men to date but not so sure they are the marrying type. A lot is going to depend on you.

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      02.09.12, 01:55 PM Flag
      • why would you say they aren't the marrying type? Just curious!

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        02.09.12, 02:17 PM Flag
        • not OP, but I'm *assuming* she means that they're not the type a woman on UB would want to marry.

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          02.09.12, 02:24 PM Flag
          • any idea why? I think they're nerds with good jobs. So, not the collectively worse group a single woman could ask for....

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            02.09.12, 02:26 PM Flag
            • On the East Coast, people are really into weddings and men tend to marry earlier. Men on the West Coast do not. That said, since OP is 32, the men about 40-45 should be ready to get married.

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              02.09.12, 02:31 PM Flag
              • ahhh... yeah I can see that. I'm from the East Coast, moved here to WC and that totally makes sense. So depressing about the 40-45 y/o thing! ugh!

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                02.09.12, 02:33 PM Flag
    • I think it is the same prob as NYC straight women outnumber straight men and men in NYC tend to be materialistic and shallow and aren't willing to make the sacrifices that make for a good husband and father. There are exceptions though. Good luck!

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      02.09.12, 01:57 PM Flag
    • Silicon Valley mom here- I am 5 minutes from the Googleplex. There are tons and tons of single men here and there are no women. The women all live up in San Francisco. San Jose is 50 miles from SF and there is no higher ratio of men to women than in SJ.

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      02.09.12, 02:05 PM Flag
      • ^^ so what I mean to tell you is that if you really want to meet an eligible man- don't fall for some cute apartment in Noe Valley. Suck it up and go down the 101 at least to Palo Alto.

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        02.09.12, 02:07 PM Flag
        • I know several single men who work in SV and live in cute apartments in Noe Valley. But your overall strategy may be right.

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          02.09.12, 02:11 PM Flag
          • And those guys have a ton of desperate women to choose from - and they spend three hours a day commuting. Down here it's the guys who are desperate for women. I see them posting on Quora daily asking "How does one find a date in Palo Alto?"

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            02.09.12, 02:17 PM Flag
        • op: so where is sillicon valley proper? thanks! (also are they around my age?)

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          02.09.12, 02:28 PM Flag
          • not op: its a large area but generally covers the county of Santa Clara and the city of San Jose. You have many to companies in the area - Apple, Cisco, Oracle, Ebay, Facebook, Google, Intel, etc. You also have a lot of biotech companies - Genentech, Elan and venture capital firms.

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            02.09.12, 02:36 PM Flag
          • if you can swing it, get an apartment in Palo Alto. It's a happy medium between SF and SJC and it has great weather -- you'll actually have a summer, which you won't find in SF.

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            02.09.12, 02:55 PM Flag
            • ITA..Palo Alto or Menlo Park. Join a running club, or the most expensive gym you can find (think spinning class..bking is big in SV).

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              02.09.12, 03:04 PM Flag
              • Join a ski club too. Lots of fit guys spend their weekend in Tahoe.

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                02.09.12, 03:15 PM Flag
        • op: I thank you all for the help! ok what is noe valley and 101? different from palo alto?

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          02.09.12, 07:05 PM Flag
          • Noe Valley is a SF neighborhood popular with young professionals. 101 is the highway that runs from SF to San Jose. Palo Alto is a bit closer to SJ than SF and is the location of Stanford Univ. Maybe you need to print up a map.

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            02.09.12, 08:01 PM Flag
      • Single 38yo DF moved to SF two years ago (sick of the single life and all friends married and she needed a change). She met her DH a year later (FWIW he works at Google).

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        02.09.12, 02:17 PM Flag
        • Same thing just happened to my cousin. She moved here and met an engineer in Livermore. They met at a running club. People do more goofy organized activities out here (road biking, geo-caching, sushi-making, etc. etc.), so I think it is easier to meet (especially if you're over age 30).

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          02.09.12, 02:19 PM Flag
        • Google Bus leaves from Noe and Marina I believe. Now, you really want to find someone..work at one of these big companies where you sit on the bus for 45 min a day with eligible coworkers. There are many other companies. Better do you research :)

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          02.09.12, 02:20 PM Flag
          • lol, or just ride the bus and look hot!! you could do this on the UCSF shuttles- they don't check for ID. Just get all gussied up and land yourself a hot MD or PhD research fellow going from Parnassus to Mission Bay.

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            02.09.12, 02:28 PM Flag
      • I agree with this..Mountain View, Los Gatos, Menlo Park is where you want to be. But, honestly, move to Alaska if all you care about is numbers.

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        02.09.12, 02:18 PM Flag
        • I read San Jose actually has a better ratio than Alaska.... but most of those single guys are H1Bs who come with some serious MIL issues!

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          02.09.12, 02:21 PM Flag
          • haaaaaaa!!!!! this is sooooo funny because my friend married a H1B and HATES HATES HATES (seriously, she dreads and fears) her MIL.

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            02.09.12, 02:29 PM Flag
            • Let me guess, MIL comes to visit for 4 months at a time.

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              02.09.12, 02:31 PM Flag
              • Moreso that she is a very particular German who is never, EVER satisfied.

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                02.09.12, 02:35 PM Flag
      • op: googleplex mom - you're a wonderful person - thank you so much!

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        02.09.12, 07:19 PM Flag
    • hot women....san francisco.............hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa

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      02.09.12, 02:09 PM Flag
      • you need to get out more if you believe your own BS

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        02.09.12, 02:16 PM Flag
    • San Francisco, where the men are men, and so are the women.

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      02.09.12, 02:13 PM Flag
    • Are you the same woman who was thinking of Boston earlier today or yesterday?

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      02.09.12, 02:16 PM Flag
    • I think this city is filled with cute nerds. A lot of them are single and looking to settled down. The PROBLEM is once you do "settle down" you can't afford to live here anymore, and don't want to anyway because the school system is so wack (seriously, it's worse than NYC with the lottery and busing around town). I'd say somewhere like Belmont, Mountain View or Woodside would be a great bet for you. Or San Jose. Los Gatos is kinda gold-digger-y.

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      02.09.12, 02:20 PM Flag
      • I don't think there is a house unde $2 million in Woodside.

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        02.09.12, 02:21 PM Flag
        • there are cute apartments in Woodside though, which are cheaper than SF prices

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          02.09.12, 02:34 PM Flag
      • Los Gatos is pretty though. Maybe she should go to Santa Cruz and meet a surfer... or a winemaker up in the Monterey hills?

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        02.09.12, 02:22 PM Flag
        • Saratoga is nice. Los Altos as well.

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          02.09.12, 02:29 PM Flag
        • she'll be looking for a *long* time to find the Monterrey hills.

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          02.09.12, 02:32 PM Flag
          • ha- I'm picturing OP treking around in hiking boots and a walking stick :P

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            02.09.12, 02:34 PM Flag
            • Yeah...cuz its Carmel Valley where the wineries are but also mostly retired folks.

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              02.09.12, 03:03 PM Flag
    • How big of a loser are you that you would move to a place for the sole purpose of landing a man? You posted earlier about moving to Boston. Ugh.

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      02.09.12, 02:45 PM Flag
      • she's smart to get out of this city. It's clearly full of bitches.

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        02.09.12, 02:57 PM Flag
      • I don't think it's that weird to want to have a family. It's kind of a normal human urge that people have had for centuries now.

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        02.09.12, 03:16 PM Flag
      • G*d what a bitchy thing to say. Everyone normal has goals. I think she should go for it.

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        02.09.12, 03:39 PM Flag
    • Just to warn you, it's next to impossible to find a rental in SF or Silicon Valley these days. Thanks to a complicated work situation we recently went through an apartment search in NYC and then now in SF, and it is far, far, far tougher to find a place in San Francisco than in Manhattan. We're moving back because of work (and do like SF, although not the Silicon Valley), but if you don't have any reason to be there I'd just pick another, easier city. Or find a roommate somewhere like Mountain View who already has a place.

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      02.09.12, 03:55 PM Flag
    • thank you all for your responses - if you knew how many lonely nights I've spent in NY - you would know I really need this...=)

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      02.09.12, 07:21 PM Flag
      • ^op

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        02.09.12, 07:21 PM Flag
      • As someone with three daughters in their twenties, they tell me that their friends in NYC have much harder times meeting suitable guys than do those in either SF/Silicon Valley or Boston.

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        02.09.12, 08:04 PM Flag
      • Visit before you decide. I can understand wanting a change, but I would not move to Silicon Valley just because you want to find a man. Then again, maybe you'll discover that you love it there or land a great job, but you'll be spending a fortune to live in what is essentially one big suburb, and where many of the single men are (at least the ones I know) pouring all of their energy into their work, not into developing relationships. Sure, you can find someone, but you can do that right where you are now, too. Or in some other city with a lower price tag and a much easier, more relaxed, affordable lifestyle.

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        02.09.12, 09:23 PM Flag
  • [-]ok I'm in NYC have no idea about San Jose (I posted earlier)...what is 101, noe valley, and is it different from palo alto? advice for getting an apt in San Jose/palo alto? (do they have public transportation?) which one is better for driving? thanks all!

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    • 101 is a congested highway that runs inland between SF and SJC. Noe Valley is a cute but foggy neighborhood in SF popular with young families because it is relatively inexpensive and has a lot of bungalows suitable for families. There is the VTA in San Jose that connects to Mountain View, but it's largely useless unless you live and work right near stop. Palo Alto has terrible traffic. Better for driving will depend on where you live and where you're driving to. Generally speaking, driving from north to south is considered the reverse commute in the morning.

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      02.09.12, 07:10 PM Flag
      • Noe Valley is a lot more dense than Palo Alto, but Palo Alto does have a cute downtown. Plus it has a warm summer. Downside: college kids.

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        02.09.12, 07:11 PM Flag
      • Noe Valley is very expensive right now- blame google, facebook shuttles. Think 3k for a 1br. A bad 1br, with no parking! Plus 20 people will all show up at the open house, wanting it.

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        02.09.12, 07:41 PM Flag
        • or more than 20. We've been to open houses with 50+ people lined up outside just to take a look. A lot of them fill out applications, and you have to pay an application fee, which is probably money down the drain because 200 other people have also all applied and there's no way they're reviewing them all. I've also heard from SF agents that they're getting tech people offering to pay for a year's rent up-front. It's crazy out there these days, and doesn't seem to be slowing.

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          02.09.12, 08:42 PM Flag
      • Noe Valley is NOT inexpensive! It's very popular (and expensive) with the bugaboo set. Sort of the Park Slope of San Francisco.

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        02.09.12, 08:34 PM Flag
    • Sprawl/suburban hell. Good luck.

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      02.09.12, 07:10 PM Flag
      • np Shit. Now I've got that old Pet Shop Boys song in my head. Thanks.

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        02.09.12, 07:13 PM Flag
    • Are you for real? What do you do for a living that you would uproot your life and just move to a place sight unseen in order to try to land a man?

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      02.09.12, 07:29 PM Flag
      • Like she would say after such a snarky comment!

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        02.09.12, 07:34 PM Flag
      • I don't blame her for trying to leave NYC. She's a smart cookie. When she gets there she will likely wonder what took her so long.

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        02.09.12, 07:41 PM Flag
      • Seriously! I am originally from Los Altos Hills and I have a lot of friends who still live in the area (I left for greener pastures--NOT NYC!--long ago) and they're all still single in their late 40s. The stories of the dorks and nerds they've met over the years are quite amusing. Good luck to you. It's a very expensive place to live and you had better be pulling down some serious cash to make it worthwhile.

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        02.09.12, 07:55 PM Flag
        • what do you consider serious cash?

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          02.09.12, 08:55 PM Flag
    • San Jose is gross. It truly is suburban hell.

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      02.09.12, 07:33 PM Flag
    • Okay here is the 411 for you! 101 is the "main artery" between silicon valley and SF. Think of it as I-95 throughout New England or the Garden State Parkway in NJ. Taking 280 is better, it's wider, made of cement not asphalt so has a smoother ride, less traffic, prettier views. Noe Valley is where uppity moms who mow you down with their stroller live. It's like the suburbs, but in a city. But it feels like being in a suburb. To get an apartment in Palo Alto, search on craigslist, on a FRIDAY. People post Friday afternoons for their open houses on Saturdays and Sundays.

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      02.09.12, 07:45 PM Flag
    • You must have a car unless you live in SF. Even then, you'll much prefer to have one, unlike Manhattan.

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      02.09.12, 08:33 PM Flag
  • [-]WWYD? Our neighbors who became our good friends are going through a divorce. Now, the wife is constantly critiquing my marriage, my kids, how my husband is, etc and it is driving me crazy. What would you do?

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    • Create boundaries.

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      04.19.10, 11:36 AM Flag
    • Create some distance! Does she think you are favoring her ex-husband? Our neighbors also went through a divorce. We were friends with both of them. The woman was cheating on the man and then refused to go to counseling... husband was heartbroken. They had just finished building a home together in the country! Woman moved out of the apartment, so we would have the husband over for dinner. He was so lonely, we weren't trying to take sides or anything. Made the wife furious though.

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      04.19.10, 11:58 AM Flag
      • I have no idea-they are lovely people but frankly DH and I could never figure out what they had in common. She's kind of attacking everything-said my DS trashed her DD's room (he didn't), my DH has trouble saying "NO" and she said that is bad, crap like that-no one has moved out yet. This is awful.

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        04.19.10, 12:04 PM Flag
      • Living through it, I just don't think it is as clear cut as one is cheating and won't go to counseling. There are two sides, always.

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        04.19.10, 12:14 PM Flag
        • Oh I don't doubt it. They got married young (mid-20s), got thrown into the hell of building a home from the ground up, and the wife still liked to go out and party. I think she just felt tied down to early--and her dh wanted to start having kids. I don't think she is "bad" or anything. The DH was just kind of stunned when he found out about the cheating and that she was leaving.

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          04.19.10, 12:59 PM Flag
    • Be direct. Tell ehr to stop. Tell her you love being friends with her, but you feel under a microscope, and you dont like it.

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      04.19.10, 12:03 PM Flag
    • Why would she critique YOUR kids or YOUR husband..I can see talking down her own, but yours? You need to stop talking with her about anything but weather until she gets her head back together. If she wants to discuss her broken life, fine, you are all ears, if she needs to shit down on your parade, tell he, sorry but I am all out of time today!

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      04.19.10, 12:07 PM Flag
    • Sounds like she is going through a tough time and lashing out - but this behavior is not fair to you and your family. Distance yourself. If she asks why - be honest.

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      04.19.10, 12:24 PM Flag
    • Let her know that you value her friendship and want to support her but any discussion of your marriage and home life is off limits.

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  • [-]We live in London right now. We're considering a move to San Francisco but are unlikely to be in a position to move before DS would be starting first grade. Will this likely make it impossible to get him into a good public school or easier because of movement in/out of the city?

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    • Why are you moving? Are you from London originally?

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      12.30.11, 03:49 PM Flag
      • No, DH from SF and contemplating moving back in part to be near the grandparents, because it's a nice place, and a good place careerwise. London's ok but am ready to move on.

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        01.01.12, 06:32 AM Flag
    • You will be at a disadvantage. Would a nearby suburb with good schools work for you instead?

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      12.30.11, 04:07 PM Flag
    • I read that you get over 7 choices of pub school on the application. They do not use a random lotto for seats. They weight it based on Race, ethnicity, and language spoken. This is how they purposely make sure the classes are diversified and not reflective of a particular neighborhood. Many of the "good" less crime schools are usually wait listed. You will receive a school no matter what but it could be across town. Google. There is a good radio recording of an interview of the director and a active parent.

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      12.30.11, 04:56 PM Flag
      • NP: neighborhood counts for something now, although there's still no guarantee you'll get a neighborhood school (neighborhood school is one of the "tie-breakers," or whatever they call them now). To the OP: there's always movement in and out of the city, so while I think you'd be at a disadvantage, there's still hope.

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        12.30.11, 09:05 PM Flag
        • I guess I was hoping that spots free up b/c people in a city like SF would move a lot. Sounds like maybe not? Hmm... I'm a bit confused about how the whole system works. If it's a popular school and you like in the school district are you very/reasonably/no to likely to get a place? Also are there areas you can live where you'd be able to select from more than one very good school?

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          01.01.12, 06:31 AM Flag
          • Meant to say 'live in the school district' not like.

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  • [-]Heading to Sonoma/Napa in February. Any recommendations for restaurants/winery visits??

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    • Can I come? I looooooooove Napa!

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      12.30.10, 06:47 PM Flag
    • spend more time in Sonoma imo, Napa more cookie-cutter

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      12.30.10, 06:50 PM Flag
      • What are the main differences between the two?

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        12.30.10, 06:58 PM Flag
    • go to Healdsburg - Cyrus was a great dining experience

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      12.30.10, 07:00 PM Flag
    • Frog's Leap - cute and like the wineries used to be (small, family run, intimate)

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      12.30.10, 10:55 PM Flag
    • Read Sunset mag online. They have tons of great itineraries for daytrips.

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      01.26.11, 10:30 AM Flag
    • We had a wonderful meal at Harvest Moon, on Sonoma Plaza, a few months ago. Try to make appts ahead of time at some of the smaller wineries--they do better, more personal tours. And be prepared for rain/mud.

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      11.11.11, 10:57 PM Flag
    • You really need restaurant recommendations for napa? It's not like you're going to f**king Pittsburg.

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      11.11.11, 11:06 PM Flag
  • [-]My husband wants to move us from NYC to Palo Alto. What is that area like? People? Vibe? Schools? Stereotypes? Thanks!

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    • Palo Alto is super cute and nice. It's a college town (Stanford obviously) with a cute downtown. You can't beat the weather. Obviously nothing is quite as exciting as NYC but for raising a family it would be nice. If you are bothered by rich liberal yuppies, you probably won't like it. Being near the heart of silicon valley means a lot of cool stuff goes on. You're also 45 minutes from San Francisco which has a laid back NYC vibe to it.

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      10.07.11, 03:11 PM Flag
      • ^^^and just to put it out there, my husband (born and raised in NYC) hated southern california with a passion but liked SF and Palo Alto a great deal.

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        10.07.11, 03:12 PM Flag
      • Thank you! We pretty much fit that stereotype (though maybe not rich). Are you familiar with the NY-area suburbs? Want to avoid that vibe if possible...

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        10.07.11, 03:14 PM Flag
        • Only Westchester and not really that familiar? Why what are they like?

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          10.07.11, 03:16 PM Flag
          • Well, to generalize: Very materialistic. All my friends' basements and backyards look like amusement parks. Lexus SUV for Mom, BMW for Dad. Wouldn't mind a little more racial and economic diversity. I know PA is a wealthy area too. Thanks so much for your input.

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            10.07.11, 03:23 PM Flag
            • np: I think Palo Alto is pretty affluent but also has a student vibe to counter-act. What NYC burb are you in?

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              10.07.11, 03:25 PM Flag
              • We're in NYC but have friends in Westchester, LI, and northern NJ.

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                10.07.11, 03:35 PM Flag
            • I think the bay area and south bay have some materialistic people but mostly it's people with money trying to pretend like they don't have any. Lots of silicon valley nerds that don't know what flashy is. It's expensive but no where near as much as NYC.

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              10.07.11, 03:56 PM Flag
    • public school are amazing there.

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      10.07.11, 03:15 PM Flag
    • I grew up in the area. It's basically typical suburbia. One suburb after another after another. For city living, you need to travel to SF.

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      10.07.11, 03:17 PM Flag
    • Lived there for a while. Very expensive. One weekend, just for fun, we went to the cheapest open house. It was a million dollar cottage being sold as a teardown! The weather is great. San Francisco is driveable. The schools are very good. Great place for kids. It's a college town, but lacks that funky artsy college town feel we're used to on the east coast. It is just too affluent. I prefer San Francisco and Santa Cruz (each about 45 minutes away). But with kids, Palo Alto is a good choice.

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      10.07.11, 03:32 PM Flag
    • I lived in the Bay Area for 14 yrs, started in PA as a grad student and then SF and East Bay. Of all those places, I liked PA the least by far. I never lived there with kids, so take my opinion with a grain of salt I guess, but it felt like serious wealth and conspicuous consumption to me. The Lexus SUV for every mom is probably the norm, much like certain Westchester areas. There are other towns on the peninsula that are a little less intensely wealthy but still have good schools, San Carlos comes to mind and I'm sure there are others.

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      10.07.11, 04:53 PM Flag
    • I've been in the Bay Area for almost 16 years. It's the best and the worst place in the world.

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      10.07.11, 05:00 PM Flag
    • Palo Alto = posh suburbia. I couldn't do it. If you like cities, you will not like Palo Alto. Weather is nice, though.

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      10.07.11, 06:40 PM Flag
  • [-]Any San Francisco moms on or moms who have lived there? We're very seriously considering a move from NYC for DH's job, but I'm worried after living here for so long, that I'll feel a little isolated. We'd likely end up in Marin. Are some towns there better for getting out and about, ie, less reliant on a car? Tiburon? Mill Valley? Maybe I just have to deal with the fact that it will be different, albeit not all different bad. Has anyone sent their kids to public in Marin? From what I've read, they seem like good options, or is private a better choice? TIA! (Sorry for double post - tagged for SF now.)

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    • Marin county is the whitest, no diversity, nothing to do but hike.

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      07.14.10, 08:34 AM Flag
      • Oops.

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        07.14.10, 08:34 AM Flag
        • My iphone is acting up. Let me try it again. Marin county is like Iowa in the middle of California. Boring. Nothing to do. White; in fact, all white. It is for wealthy white bored moms who are fine doing nothing but driving kids to soccer games and such. You have to drive everywhere. But it is pretty and great to visit. Move to San Francisco!

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          07.14.10, 08:38 AM Flag
          • I'm with you. Shoot me if I end up living there. Ugh

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            08.09.11, 09:28 PM Flag
    • I live in NYC and used to live in SF and the peninsula. Marin is lovely. Gorgeous. But you are 100% reliant on a car. It is like that in most the Bay Area. Only place you can possibly get away with no car is SF. But that's a stretch.

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      07.14.10, 08:36 AM Flag
      • OP: thanks! This is what I suspected. It may just be that I have to adjust accordingly. I'm so ready to leave NYC but really do appreciate the walking culture here.

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        07.14.10, 08:39 AM Flag
      • Seriously, if you love visiting freezing, albeit beautiful beaches and parks--it is freezing there every season, and enjoying the trees, it is a great place to live. My dh and I love going there for day trips, but would not live there.

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        07.14.10, 08:42 AM Flag
        • Marin is freezing? It's a lot warmer than SF.

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          07.14.10, 08:44 AM Flag
          • I always have a coat on wgen

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            07.14.10, 08:46 AM Flag
          • Southern Marin can even be colder than SF. Starting, maybe, in Corte Madera is where it can be nicer than SF, especially during the summer. Weather wise, it doesn't matter where you live during the winter.

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            08.09.11, 09:30 PM Flag
        • Check out the Marina- as in a neighborhood of San Francisco or Pacific Heights. We had lived in Pac Heights for years- the most amazing place for families! I love Upper Fillmore area! That would be a much better fit for your family!

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          07.14.10, 08:45 AM Flag
          • OP: Thank you! This is really helpful.

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            07.14.10, 08:52 AM Flag
    • SF Mom, lived NY for 6 years. I agree about moving to SF rather than Marin with the caveat that in SF you will likely need to send your kids to private school whereas in Marin (Tiburon, Mill Valley and Ross) you can send them to public school. We live in SF and walk everywhere, shop at the local deli, farmer's market, parks and restaurants. I agree with looking in the Marina and Pac Heights but would also add Cow Hollow (btwn the two neighborhoods) to the list. Happy to answer any specific questions.

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      07.15.10, 04:34 PM Flag
      • Thank you! This is really helpful. I guess my hesitation of living in SF proper is part of the reason we're moving is for space: a yard, a real house - can we do that in these neighborhoods? Also, I'm wary of the cooler weather in the city. Does it get to you? THANK YOU so much for the help...been kind of discouraged thinking about the big change in lifestyle.

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        07.17.10, 07:11 AM Flag
        • You can get a much bigger apt or house in SF along with a yard (not huge like the burbs but enough for the kids to play around). These areas are not the foggy areas and thus are a bit more pricey. The weather is the worst in the summer in terms of cooler, Sept and Oct can be in the mid-70s and there is no cold winters. I do not miss the hot sticky NY summers at all. You can always join a swim club in Marin (20 min drive) if you want warmth in the summer. If you really want a stand alone house, look in Cole Valley (tons of kids and less pricey than Pac Heights) and also look in the Lake District (it is right past Presidio Heights). What price range do you want? For 2mm you could buy a house in Cow Hollow, the Marina but not likely Paci...

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          07.18.10, 02:37 PM Flag
          • Thanks! Again, this is so useful. Thank you, thank you. We could spend more than that on a house (housing there is less than what we're paying in NYC), so I'll go explore those neighborhoods. I'd planned to do public in Marin, but I suppose I'd have to apply them to private from SF? Haven't read great things about the public schools in the city.

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            07.19.10, 12:17 PM Flag
            • The schools in SF face the same problem as those in Marin, the Calif budget crisis and increasing class sizes. After this year, the publics are moving toward a more neighborhood assignment. The top public schools are Claire Lillenthal (K-8) and Clarendon.

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              07.19.10, 12:27 PM Flag
            • The good news about SF is that the private schools are still for the most part in the under $25K range per year. What age/sex are your kids?

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              07.19.10, 12:29 PM Flag
              • B/G, ages 6/4 - we're doing private here in NYC but figured we could do public if we landed in Marin. But maybe not if we're in SF proper? I'll explore more of that via google - thanks for your help! Seriously, so helpful!

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                07.19.10, 01:23 PM Flag
                • The 4 year old is still in preschool so that is easy. You can likely land a spot mid-year with families moving or send to drop off classes. For coed privates, look at SF Day, Presidio Hill, Kittredge, Friends (quaker) and Brandeis (Jewish). For Boys Schools..Town is the only non-religious school and then there is Stuart Hall and Cathedral. If your 6 year old is heading into 1st grade, you might be able to find an opening. The Girl's schools are Hamlin, Burkes and Convent (affiliated with Stuart Hall).

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                  07.19.10, 01:36 PM Flag
                  • Thank you! I wish I knew you so I could send you wine when we head out there. :) But seriously, THANK YOU! We went through the process here in NYC for privates, and I've heard that SF is tough but not as bad as NYC, so I'm hoping that I can stomach it again if need be. Yes, 6-yo would be going into 1st when we move, so I'd have to find an off-year spot.

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                    07.19.10, 02:44 PM Flag
                    • 1st grade will be way easier than K. If you are willing to look at Catholic Schools look at Notre Dame Des Victories and St. Vincent De Paul.

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                      07.19.10, 03:06 PM Flag
                      • That's so interesting: here, in NYC, while the K process is tough, 1st is very difficult as there are so few spots due to low attrition rates. Glad to hear this.

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                        07.19.10, 04:46 PM Flag
                  • Preschools...p/t programs to look at are Little School, Russian Hill, One Parker and Cow Hollow. Might also try Lone Mountain for a 4 year old.

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                    07.19.10, 08:14 PM Flag
                    • Wonderful - thank you!

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                      07.20.10, 11:53 AM Flag
          • Here is an idea of what you can get in Cole Valley for under $3mm http://www.trulia.com/property/3016863655-1130-Cole-St-San-Francisco-CA-94117 or the Marina http://www.trulia.com/property/1025813453-3235-Webster-St-San-Francisco-CA

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            07.19.10, 12:54 PM Flag
            • Thanks! I'd just seen those online in my own search too! :)

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              07.19.10, 01:23 PM Flag
              • If you don't have a real estate agent, Deborah Odier is good and very matter of fact.

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                07.19.10, 01:41 PM Flag
    • It sounds like you may want to move out of city life (house, yard, etc.) and the SF move will be your excuse to do so. With suburb life you will be more reliant on a car and have less of a walkable life, no matter if you are in Marin or Westchester. Though in SF proper, you can have more space and a yard, which is virtually impossible in NYC.

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      07.19.10, 10:13 AM Flag
      • OP: yes, I think, ideally, I'd like to have the combination of city/suburbs and SF may be our excuse exactly. I'm going to explore some real estate online from the above neighborhoods. Thanks for weighing in!

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        07.19.10, 12:19 PM Flag
        • Add Laurel Heights, specifically Jordan Park, to your search

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          07.19.10, 12:32 PM Flag
    • I left NYC kicking and screaming for Santa Clara county and I love it. We looked into living in SF, but the commute was a major obstacle. I have to say that suburban living in the Bay Area is very different from the NYC. There's a lot more community here and tons of diversity- though that probably has to do with Silicon Valley and the fact that not everyone goes to work in SF as they do in NYC.

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      07.19.10, 02:48 PM Flag
      • Oh, this is good to hear. Husband is really pushing Marin, but I'm wary of the burbs, probably because I'm wary of life in NYC-burbs (taking nothing away from them, I just worry they're not for me). Glad to hear that you're loving it!

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        07.19.10, 04:48 PM Flag
        • Be wary of Sausalito, nice place but the school district is awful

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          07.19.10, 06:53 PM Flag
        • First time chiming in here, just curious, why would DH want you to live in Marin? It is extremely white-washed. What line of business..finance? If so, everyone I know lives in SF proper with the exception of a DH, who's wife is a CEO.

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          07.19.10, 08:12 PM Flag
          • ^^^also, would add, that there is tons of moms that are former NYers in SF. There is a great community here in the city.

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            07.19.10, 08:16 PM Flag
            • OP: he's ready for a more suburban lifestyle: yard, pool, etc, and with the better weather than in SF. Which I understand and kind of agree with, but I work from home, so will be much more isolated than he will be...and thus trying to find a middle ground.

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              07.20.10, 11:52 AM Flag
    • I really like my SF realtor - Eileen Bermingham http://www.ebsfhomes.com/. We wound up buying in the suburbs, but she was a very good person and gave me the lay of the land.

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      07.19.10, 03:08 PM Flag
      • Thx! Will check out the link.

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        07.19.10, 04:49 PM Flag
  • [-]Am looking to move to Marin (from NYC) and am interested in homes In sunny areas with good public schools, lively downtown area and walkable (as much as possible) with a short commute to SF. I have $2-3M to spend and would like some advice on the pros and cons of the neighborhoods ( s

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    • schools in marin are mostly very strong. mill valley is the best combo of close to SF, good schools, nice downtown, and sunny, but not the sunniest. san rafael is nice, bigger too. San anselmo has a nice downtown, much sunnier than MV but longer commute. Fairfax has a great small town feel, very sunny, but longer commute. why are you moving?

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      08.10.10, 02:26 PM Flag
      • that said, all of marin is sunnier than SF

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        08.10.10, 02:27 PM Flag
      • Moving bc family and friends live in the bay area (although mostly the east bay and peninsula, but i prefer Marin for the easier commute to the city). Husband and i are isolated from both our families and lifelong friends living in NYC...but that's where the job is, for now (looking to see if transferring is an option)

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        08.10.10, 02:31 PM Flag
        • i did the same thing- for family, left friends, etc. it's good, but hard transition too, life in marin is VERY different from life in ny

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          08.10.10, 02:38 PM Flag
    • Mill Valley, for sure, though if you want to commute to SF during rush hour, there's rarely such a thing as a short commute.

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      08.10.10, 02:27 PM Flag
      • Oh, and not a whole lot in Marin is terribly walkable. You will need a car.

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        08.10.10, 02:28 PM Flag
        • agreed, there are some neighborhoods close to the downtowns, but not like nyc where there's always a business of some kind pretty nearby. once you leave the business district, you've left

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          08.10.10, 02:30 PM Flag
      • mill valley commute is about 35 mins to downtown sf by car. about 45 mins by bus, and the busses are good.

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        08.10.10, 02:30 PM Flag
    • OP:t

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      08.10.10, 02:35 PM Flag
      • Oops. I am a SAHM and my husband will probably commute during market hours. We were considering the city, but really prefer 80 degrees and sunny rather than 60 and foggy...thx for your input and advice

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        08.10.10, 02:38 PM Flag
        • join southern marin mothers club

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          08.10.10, 02:39 PM Flag
    • OP, you are under a mispercepton if you think the commute to the city is easier from Marin to the City (particularly downtown) than many parts ofthe East Bay or the Peninsula. You are also getting bad advice. The commute from San Rafael is hedious. In the East Bay, look at Piedmont and Orinda - both have better school districts than Marin and will be sunnier than the city. Piedmont may have that more urban walkable feel you are looking for. On the Peninsula, look at Hillsborough/Atherton. If you are stuck on Marin (Milly Valley can be equally as foggy as SF on many days) then I would choose Ross, Kentwood or Larkspur.

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      08.10.10, 03:07 PM Flag
      • ^^oops meant Kentfield. Ross, however, may be out of your price range.

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        08.10.10, 03:11 PM Flag
      • Schools are decent in Ross/Kentfield, you may also want to look into Tiburon/Belvedere

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        08.10.10, 03:16 PM Flag
      • I live in the city and would LOVE to live in Hillsborough. In my opinion, it's the best option of them all with one of the easiest commutes/best school districts/beautiful homes. And yes, the commute from Marin is awful. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. FYI, Marin is also the "whitest" and least diverse option (if you care).

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        08.10.10, 03:46 PM Flag
      • I think op means Wall Street market hours, which in SF are from 6:30 am to 2:30 pm. So commuting from almost anywhere Marin would be ok, if waking up at 5 am is your thing. Personally, I'd consider Sausalito for the short commute despite it being a tourist trap on the weekends.

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        06.14.11, 08:16 AM Flag
        • I lived in Sausalito and it's a great town. NOT great for kids though. Schools are some of the worst in the state. Would be okay if you are doing private. I never used to even see a child in the grocery store there though.

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          08.09.11, 08:55 PM Flag
    • I lived in the bay area and have family/friends there still. For easy commute, walkability, good schools I would suggest Piedmont. Weather better than SF and I think quite comparable to Marin. It's within Oakland but it's own school district. Nice homes. Great schools, nice homes, most of it is walkable to cute streets, commute to downtown is easy b/c down is near the east bay (not Marin) - drive, BART, casual carpool, bus all options. Also probably more interesting crowd b/c it's close to Berkeley.

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      08.10.10, 04:10 PM Flag
      • Oops - meanto say Piedmont which is in the east bay. I also loved Palo Alto, which has great schools, but the commute is longer and the commuter train from south bay puts you nowhere near downtown.

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        08.10.10, 04:12 PM Flag
    • SF Mom (former NYC) - I would loathe being a SAHM in Marin. I would prefer the fog (by the way if you live in Noe Valley, you miss most of it). It is so Westchester County but worse. Of the choices mentioned above, Piedmont is your best bet but please reconsider, and move to SF proper.

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      08.10.10, 10:26 PM Flag
      • ita. Potrero Hill is sunny and very family friendly.

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        08.19.10, 03:34 PM Flag
    • I live in SF, used to work in the city and Novato, and my husband's family lives in Mill Valley so I know a little bit about the area. I personally can't stand that area, and southern Marin gets foggy or sunny and cold at the same time too, don't let them fool you. People are feel like they are entitled to everything, kids are spoiled for my taste and you don't feel welcome. I know people living there who spent years finally getting to know people, or my in-laws, who have been living there for 30 years and still say that they don't feel like they can really get to know people there. The commute during market hours is fine, around 30 minutes. No walking anywhere there though unless you live in downtown of whatever town, and even then, downto...

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      08.09.11, 08:48 PM Flag
      • I agree. I lived in Marin (worked in SF) for 8 years and HATED it. The people are really obnoxious. We're in the East Bay now and I love it. I think Orinda or Lafayette would be great for you. If you're set on Marin, Mill Valley, Ross, Kentfield, Larkspur. Good luck!

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  • [-]3 months pregnant 36 year old (1st preg).... I have no idea what to do about maternity clothes. Tips? I was thinking of getting one good pair of 7 maternity jeans and maybe trying to just wear tunics and smock style tops and dresses, which I have a lot of already. Does that work? Suggestions? What did you guys do?

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    • don't wear the smock type tops or dresses - just get nice maternity t shirts and sweaters. jeans are fine if you are usually dressed casual.

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      07.13.09, 03:24 PM Flag
      • Where did you buy? Most stuff looks kind of cheesy to me. Do you have favorite brands/designers? I'm casual. I'm a freelance graphic artist, so I don't need suits or anything extravagant.

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        07.13.09, 03:26 PM Flag
        • just go to target for starters. then maybe some consignment shops (i got my best things there). you could also check craigslist if you have the time.

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          07.13.09, 03:39 PM Flag
          • ITA -- esp for a first preg when you ab muscles may not result in a huge need for clothes, depending on how you carry. I will say, though, that a lot of my old clothes that I wore when pg stretched & didn't fit right afterwards.

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            07.13.09, 06:45 PM Flag
    • I went to Destination Maternity and got a lot of stuff there for not much $ at all. Your maternity jeans and smock top etc idea should work too initially any way. Congrats!

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      07.13.09, 03:27 PM Flag
      • wow that's a great resource. thank you. this helps me.

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        07.13.09, 03:29 PM Flag
        • I did spend more on a special outfit for nights out with dh. It is worth it to get a couple of outfits that you feel great in.

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          07.13.09, 03:37 PM Flag
    • I loved Gap... easy to shop online... loved their jeans, basic ts, a few print tops. personally, I had the same idea in the beginning, I would just wear smock type tops that I already own, but oddly, I felt thinner when I wore tighter clothes. The bigger the top, the bigger I felt. congrats!

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      07.13.09, 04:24 PM Flag
      • I just put on a super tight tank and my yoga pants, studied myself and kept in mind what you said about tighter made you feel thinner... and I totally get it. I think I might actually wear a slim fitting top tomorrow. It does look better. I actually look pregnant and not just like a fat ass- hah.

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        07.13.09, 04:56 PM Flag
    • destination maternity - the motherhood maternity line for cheap casual stuff and the mimi maternity for somewhat nicer things (not a fan of pea in the pod); target maternity; gap/old navy maternity; H&M maternity. in the first 5 months you can get away with empire waist regular clothing, but after that your belly generally starts to protrude enough that regular clothes do not fit prportionately. good jeans are a must IMO as are good black pants. in the summer a bunch of little dresses go a long way.

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      07.13.09, 04:29 PM Flag
    • Top shop makes REALLY cute maternity jeans. There's one in SoHo or you can order online. About $80 each. Also got some cute tops and linen pants there...

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      07.13.09, 04:31 PM Flag
      • i didn't know TS did maternity. Good to know. Thanks ladies for your input!

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        07.13.09, 04:36 PM Flag
        • i love TS for maternity too! if you can get to an outlet store, a lot of times gap baby will have loads of maternity clothes for cheap... and there is usually bound to be something cute on the racks!

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          07.13.09, 04:45 PM Flag
      • When buying the maternity jeans are they sized like normal jeans? I am so clueless.

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        07.13.09, 04:59 PM Flag
        • Yes, but ask for help. I liked Pea in the Pod and Destination Maternity because they have these fake bellies that you can put on (secured with velcro straps). It gives you a better idea of how the clothes will fit. I spent $189 on a pair of 7 maternity jeans. At the time it KILLED me to spend that much, but now I don't regret it at all. They look really good and are helping me keep up my morale.

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          07.13.09, 06:20 PM Flag
    • I used hair elastics as button extenders for the first 5 months and then I went to Marshals and stores like it that had Maternity stuff for cheap. The only problem was that when you buy cheap you get cheap and a lot of the stuff shrunk or the hems rolled or some other such thing that made the item ugly/unwearable. I think ebay and craigslist can be usefull and also just trolling for sales. Spending retail on mat clothes is a giant waste of $$ that could be better spent on cool baby clothes. Good luck.

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      07.13.09, 06:31 PM Flag
      • I used the hair elastic trick too!

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        04.20.11, 08:52 AM Flag
    • In addition to the maternity jeans get t-shirts and open wrap cardigans-you can wear them after...Eileen Fisher, DKNY...

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      07.13.09, 06:34 PM Flag
    • Personally I felt much better in tighter clothes. The smock tops worked well in the beginning but once I started getting bigger I really didn't like the look (big rather than pregnant)...dresses are fabulous and I plan on wearing them to work ALL summer this year (17 weeks right now).

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      04.20.11, 07:26 AM Flag
      • did you notice that this post is from july 09?

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  • [-]How bad would it be to get a trampoline with side netting for my 3 & 6 yo?

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    • i think it would be great, just make sure there is ALWAYS an adult supervising and keeping them from getting too rough in their play. trampoline is my kids FAVORITE activity and the people who shriek not to get them should not let anyone have a swimming pool, either. they key is proper supervision at all times.

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      07.08.09, 03:17 PM Flag
      • np. Only one kid on at a time too. Watch out if friends etc use it because of insurance.

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        07.08.09, 03:27 PM Flag
    • insurance is a big deal - most homeowners' policies won't cover it. for a reason.

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      07.08.09, 03:31 PM Flag
    • American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that trampolines never be used. Friend who is a pediatric orthopedist knows why....

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      07.08.09, 04:58 PM Flag
      • np. Despite this, I've been tempted to get one. Both my kids have had broken limbs from other activities not shunned by the AAP.

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        07.28.09, 05:07 PM Flag
        • np: no disrespect, but children do hurt themselves as they grow up. does this mean you'll place them in greater risk than the norm?

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          07.28.09, 05:12 PM Flag
          • Well, exactly. I guess I could not take them skiing, but I'm going to, although that may not be the "norm" for many children. I'm tempted to get a trampoline too, but so far I've resisted...

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            07.28.09, 05:24 PM Flag
            • lol...skiing is definitely not something your pediatrician will tell you not to do. there's a reason they aren't covered by insurance...and skiing is. if you don't get this, good luck to you.

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              07.28.09, 05:45 PM Flag
    • Have you considered an inground trampoline? My sister used to have one and it was awesome! If you were really safety concious you could do an inground trampoline plus a safety net.

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