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  • [-]My second grader received in school suspension today for telling another student he was going to shoot him......I am mortified and scared out of my mind....help me please

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    01.29.10, 03:25 PM [ Flag ]
    • You and the school are overreacting.

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      01.29.10, 03:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Your kid's school sucks. He's 7/8 years old! That's what they say. I mean, unless your kid actually has a gun and intends to shoot this kid, it's ridiculous.

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      01.29.10, 03:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • He said the words "gun" and "shoot".....I agree in school suspension is harsh but it's their policy....but I'm scared about what he is going through that is making him think this way and say these things...

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        01.29.10, 03:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • all little boys think this way. Geeze.

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          01.29.10, 03:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • agree, can't find the link, but OP if you are a good internet searcher, Newsweek did a good article on this. Little boys and gun play. Try to find it, it will help you.

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            01.29.10, 03:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • the link has been posted here too (where I found it), so maybe a search with Newsweek on ub would be easier.

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              01.29.10, 04:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think it's an appropriate response to teach him what is and what is not acceptable behavior. On your part, I'd be mortified but not scared out of my mind. It's TALK. He's an 8 year old boy. Teach him, but don't expect that he's really going to need to be institutionalized at this point.

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      01.29.10, 03:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Thank you ....I am overreacting and am glad for the feedback-that's why I posted-but he's such a sweet boy (I know-Charlie Manson's mother said the same thing) that I'm wondering what is going on at school to make him have such violent outbursts....he jumps in our bed most nights....sometimes interrupting "things" ;)

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        01.29.10, 04:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA. We have had this talk many times with our 7 yo ds. Somethings that are appropriate to say when playing with light sabers in the back yard, are not appropriate at school. I'm really surprised the school reacted this way.

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        01.30.10, 06:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • The school is overreacting, the right way to handle would be taking the boy aside and having a conversation with him, then speaking with the parents assuming it's the first time.

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      01.29.10, 04:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • in this situation, tone and context are everything. do you have more details?

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      01.29.10, 04:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Cut back on the TV and the video games. This is obviously the parent's fault. But the school did over-react. Still, such are the times. Deal with it at home. I doubt it's a serious problem, it hardly ever is.

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      01.29.10, 04:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • NP: I don't think it's true that it is obviously the parent's fault. I used to know a kid who was obsessed with guns and warplay etc. He knew entire plots of violent movies and would go over them, blow by blow. It turned out that he had no tv in his home at all--had never seen these movies--and would just grill his friends for details and commit them to memory. Little boys pick up on our society's obsession with violence simply by leaving the house.

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        01.29.10, 04:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think that is an insane overreaction, personally. The teachers should have used it as a learning opportunity for him and the other boy.

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      01.29.10, 05:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 4th grader brought a knife to school & threatened to use it. was finally kicked out after parents complained to administration (private school). there is a big differnce - little kids talk about cops & robbers etc - doesnt mean they are a threat. you r administration overreacted. public or private? (just curious)

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      01.30.10, 06:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I don't think you are over-reacting if you are worried about him being suspended. That is what would freak me out. Cancel your cable tv, and get rid of any movies/games with violence in them. Really. If you can't live without television..

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      01.30.10, 06:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Bernadette? Is that you? Guess the hugs and "time in" isn't working anymore. Montessori isn't all its cracked up to be.

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      02.02.10, 11:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • With apologiues for the delayed response: I understand being mortified about the suspension, but I would not assume there is violent intent behind his language. It is alarming to hear a child speak this way, but after all, sometimes they are just repeating what they hear, or trying to gain control of their environment, or engaging in their little battles between good and evil. It is often metaphorical and not literal. All the same, you should talk to him about what shooting really means, the repercussions, the finality of a shooting death, etc. My 3-year-old told my 5-year-old recently that he was going to kill him when disputing ownership of a balloon. It was shocking, but moments later they were having a tea party with Curious Georg...

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      03.14.10, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]My 4 yo son has said on a number of occasions that he wants to be a girl. While his favorite thing to play with is his train set, his favorite color is pink, he likes to play mommy and baby and be the mommy, and he clearly is fascinated by "girl" things--he always wants to know if the conductor, the waiter, the fill in the blank is a girl. On a few occasions I've asked him if he wishes he were a girl and he has shyly said yes. I'm a single mom and I can't tell if his stated preference has to do with what that means for him in some way or if he truly fees deep inside more like a girl. I don't want to shame him but I also want to be sure that I'm meeting his need for masculine role identification if that is part of the issue. Would love to he...

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    03.13.10, 05:45 PM [ Flag ]
    • Does he have any male role models?

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      03.13.10, 05:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm not a single mom, and this didn't happen to me, but I have heard this story a countless number of times. So, fwiw, I do know other boys who have gone through this and outgrown it.

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      03.13.10, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Leave it alone for now and don't make an issue of it. Just let him be and be open and loving. If there is a gender identity issue, you will know in a few years. I for one do not believe that being raised by a single mom would cause a son to have gender confusion issues. With the exception of horrid abuse perhaps, it's nature, not nurture.

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      03.13.10, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My son does this too. He's four. I try not to get worked up about it: in some moments, much easier said than done! He has a few but not many male role models. I let my son wear pink and a dress for dress-up when he wants. I have not asked if he wants to be a girl because I don't want him to equate his choices with equaling that he wants to be a girl. I also don't know if your son saying he wants to be a girl holds more weight than him saying that he wants to be a firefighter or a tiger. Kids want to be everything at some point or another.

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      03.13.10, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: I actually hired a very terrific 14 yo boy to come around a couple of times a week who my son seems to really like. He tells me not to come in his room when this boy comes by and of course I comply with his wishes. I think the mom who suggested that she didn't ask if her son wants to be a girl because she didn't want to equate his preferences with wanting to be a girl is spot on. I really have to better manage my anxiety. The issue for me is whether I should be doing something if it isn't hard-wired. If if is it is. But if it's not and it has something to do with what I'm doing or not doing, I'd feel I failed in some way. Of course there is no way to know. My son says he wants to be a train conductor but he spends lots of time mimicking...

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        03.13.10, 06:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • continued.. mimicking the female recording of the station stops is a very elongated feminine voice. He has told me that he wants to be like me (of course very understandable) but I can safely say that, as a female, I don't speak in that way.

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          03.13.10, 06:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Um - not to be an alarmist but I truly hope you have the good sense not to allow the door to be closed when your four year old is with that 14 year old in his bedroom. Protect your little boy...

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          03.13.10, 06:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np - I was thinking the same thing! I thought - "Man, am I paranoid?" but actually you hear horrible things all the time.

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            03.13.10, 06:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OP: Reasonable thing to say but unless I'm completely and totally off the mark, this is a kid that wouldn't go there. Most of the time they run around the house. But thanks....

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            03.13.10, 06:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Hasn't the news proven time and time again that ANYONE can go there? Family, friend, stranger. How much proof do you need?

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              03.13.10, 06:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • OP: Well, but you can't be saying that never trust a boy to babysit can you? Anyway, I'll take what you're saying under advisement. What about my immediate concern?

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                03.13.10, 06:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • okay - but please just don't allow the bedroom door to be closed at least. i already answered about the gender confusion situation - don't make a big deal about it and just let him be. being a single mom is not going to cause him to have a longterm identity issue. don't blame yourself.

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                  03.13.10, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • FWIW, my son closes the door and it stays closed for a few minutes, then because my son is such a pinball, he opens it and they run through the house. If they were in his room for 2 hours, believe me I would want to see what they were doing too. Really, this is not the issue here. It's how to respond to the statements he is making.

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                    03.13.10, 07:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Not saying never trust a boy to babysit. I'm saying no doors closed with babysitter. Gender is irrelevant.

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                  03.13.10, 07:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Ita

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            03.13.10, 06:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • OP: Sorry, what does ITA mean?

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              03.13.10, 06:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • OP: Also should say that the boy is known to me through my son's school, comes highly recommended through people who know him and who I know, etc

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                03.13.10, 06:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Just letting you know that I totally agree (ITA) with the alarmist mom.

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                  03.13.10, 06:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • What does ITA mean? So are you saying no boy babysitter under any circumstances?

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                    03.13.10, 07:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • Yes. Sorry if that sounds sexist but I don't trust random men (or older boys) around my kids unsupervised.

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                      03.13.10, 07:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • OP: The boy babysitter is not at all random. The temple rabbi recommended him, he is totally known in the community for years, and a wonderful kid. Do you think that I'd just get a guy off of craigslist?

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                        03.13.10, 07:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ita, I would be weirded out if my 20 year old female babysitters went into my son's room and closed the door behind them. But fwiw my ds (6 now) enjoys bright colors and for a while wanted to wear a lavender girls' coat. Now he's all man, wants to wear camo all the time and have a toy gun (sigh.)

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            03.13.10, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • OP: My son closes the door and asks me to stay out, not the male babysitter. I frankly think my son is starved for the male attention. He also closes the door when his friends come over and he wants to jump on the bed. FWIW.

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              03.13.10, 07:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • My thought too. The fact that your ds says not to come in the room seems a little odd. I'd definitely keep the door open. You never, ever know.

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            03.13.10, 07:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Is it just me or is something really off about OP? (np)

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          03.13.10, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OP: Because I have a 14 yo boy babysitting him since I don't have other male relatives that are available or appropriate or because I have expressed the concern I have?

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            03.13.10, 07:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm a single mom and my ds' fav color is pink too, because it's mine. He looks up to me. I would try to get him to spend more time with a guy. An uncle, a grandpa, your friends, his classmate's fathers...whatever you can do.

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      03.13.10, 07:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Thanks...problem is, no uncle to speak of--estranged from the family, no grandpa (has passed)-- and my one male friend who does spend time with him is not a kid person. That's why I have turned to a really good kid from our Temple to spend time with him. The favorite color thing wouldn't mean much to me if he wasn't saying he wanted to be a girl and other similar preferences. I appreciate the suggestion.

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        03.13.10, 07:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • What about Big Brothers/Big Sisters? It's a fantastic org and their volunteers have all had criminal background checks. It would be great for him to have a adult male in his life. I don't have a problem with you using a 14 year old boy to babysit. In fact I think it's a great idea, but I do share concerns that you keep an eye on them. I would not let them hang out together behind closed doors. Why tempt fate?

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          03.13.10, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • But you encouraged him saying that he wanted to be a girl by asking him. Just drop it. Follow up on his interests. Gently suggest other options when it makes you feel more comfortable and don't put too much stock in his pronouncements at 4. Btw, I am a single mom too and also estranged from family. So many boys have been raised by a woman or generations of women... Let your son be and try not to read too much into this. No adult is a carbon copy of who they were at four.

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          03.13.10, 07:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OP: I think you're absolutely right about me having coaxed him into saying he wanted to be a girl or at least maybe I did. Yes, I have to chill out. Thanks for your post. It helped.

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            03.13.10, 08:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Keep looking for a man and the boy from temple. My friends dh's are sooooo good with ds because they know he's fatherless. Especially the South American men I know. They are fabulous with him. I have a single friend, 27 yo that comes to play with ds a few times a week. It's really sweet.

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          03.13.10, 08:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OP: Thanks, again. Yes, I wish my friend's DH's would step up but so far they haven't. Several single/divorced moms. Need to work it out.

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            03.13.10, 08:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Are you a single mom by choice or is there a dead beat dad around somewhere?

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              03.13.10, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • SMC - he really doesn't have a father figure internalized in his mind so the issue is complicated and it leaves me wondering if I should be doing anything special as a result.

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                03.13.10, 08:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Hes 4, can you get him in a sport where he has a male coach he might look up to? Even a dance class if that's what he wants? Im a single mom by choice too, and my ds is 2. I am signing him up for dance and gymnastics starting this week.

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                  03.13.10, 08:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • Thanks. He has done lots of soccer with the same coach. It's different than some guy taking him on. I can see the bonding with the 14 yo boy--he seems to want his own special guy and my worry is that because there is not someone around, he is giving up on being a boy. I realize that this is just a sense I have. I think the thing is to find that special relationship for him (and for me). Many thanks.

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                    03.13.10, 08:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np - sorry to hear about your predicament but i think it's GREAT that you found a nice kid from the temple. i'm sure your son is quite happy and frankly, i'm sure that 14 y/o boy's mom is really happy too that he's getting some good babysitting experience.

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          03.14.10, 12:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • oh, the influence of CNN on a Friday night. Get a life!

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      03.13.10, 08:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Please don't tell me there is a special about this subject and someone made this up...

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        03.13.10, 08:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OP: I'm not sure about the last reference. Truly, really, my post is for real. If there is such a special, please let me know as I'd want to view it.

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          03.13.10, 08:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Not saying this is true in your case, but 14 yo boys are just exploring their sexuality. You don't want the babysitter experimenting with your ds. Just be careful and watch. Whoever recommended him wouldn't know about that part of him.

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      03.13.10, 08:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Ok, fair enough but I'm a pretty good read of things and this isn't that. This said, fine, no harm in keeping my eyes or the door open.

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        03.13.10, 08:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]will be in Las vegas in late april, suggestions for things to do there with children?

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    02.26.10, 04:39 PM [ Flag ]
    • Bellagio has a cool fountain show set to music. The kids will enjoy that. If you walk down the strip you will see a ton of families. I was shocked by how many kids now frequent Vegas, the last time I was there.

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      02.26.10, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My DCs just like to play in the pool and the desert at the buffets...they are in heaven.

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      02.27.10, 04:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • if time permits, a side trip to Hoover Dam - it is only about an hour away or so each way, and the tour itself takes a few hours. also, depending on their ages, you could try one of the cirque du soleil- my favorite is the original (Mystere) at Treasure Island (now called TI). depending on their ages, the M&M store and Coca-Cola Stores (next to each other) are cute and can each take about 30 minutes to an hour, and the time it takes to walk between, etc. the Blue Man Group is also fun- and that is one of the few shows where I enjoyed the Vegas version more than the NYC version. obviously, your hotel also likely has a pool

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      03.10.10, 11:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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