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  • [-]WOHMs, how much of your net salary goes towards childcare? This is not a bash WOHMS in disguise; we are new to NYC and trying to figure out a reasonable budget.

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    11.17.09, 05:16 AM [ Flag ]
    • 45%

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      11.17.09, 05:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 30% of my personal take-home pay but DH currently making a lot more cabbage than I so a much smaller % of our HHI.

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      11.17.09, 06:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • To figure out your budget you need to find out what childcare will cost and use that number. Your salary has nothing to do with it, that only comes into play if you're deciding if its worthwhile to WOH or SAH.

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      11.17.09, 06:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I agree with this. Daycare in manhattan is about $2K per month per child, but then you don't have to pay for preschool. As for the cost of a nanny -- there are gazillion posts about this.

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        11.17.09, 06:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Right. The point I was trying to make is if she gets a bunch of 10% answers because everyone on today makes 500K that doesn't mean that OP can budget 10% of her pay to daycare. As you said it will be $2k or higher per month.

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          11.17.09, 09:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 40-50% of net depending on the year.

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      11.17.09, 06:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 35% of base, 5% of base+bonus for past 5 years.

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      11.17.09, 06:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 15%- if you combine with my dh's then 10%-

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      11.17.09, 07:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Well, I work at home when my baby is sleeping, and I'm just debating whether it is worthwhile to pay for childcare, which is why I asked.

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      11.17.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • its an evolving thing. when your baby is more mobile and naps less, this plan may not work as well as now. also if you get more work or have more time pressure it might not work.

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        11.17.09, 09:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • That's exactly the position I'm in now... I'm a writer operating under deadlines and I'm now working at night till 11 or 12 to get a job done--but childcare would obviously take a huge chunk of my income. I have other children in school too, and so I can't work at night until they're settled, which isn't usually till around 9. I guess I just need to suck it up and pay for childcare.

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          11.17.09, 09:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • do you have SAH friends who'd be willing to swap childcare?

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            11.17.09, 09:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Possibly... although most of my friends have school-aged kids... this is my 4th child and she is a lot younger than the others, so I'm kind of out of the baby loop.

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              11.17.09, 10:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i did this estimate based on my child going to a private school, and me paying nanny for afternoons etc (I'm single parent and wohm), it's a whopiing $60,000 net! Or about $25,000 for childcare. It depends on the age of your child and whether they are in preschool. You need to sit down and work out how many hours a week you need the nanny for. Most people don't take into account how many days the schools are closed for, they actually only oeprate for about 35 weeks a year, which leaves about 15 weeks of fulltime childcare for you to cover as well as school costs and afternoon care. Also, you need to cover nanny's holidays and bonus.

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      11.17.09, 09:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]I grew up in Manhattan but this is part of the reason that I am scared of staying: my niece is in private school and having her Bat Mitzvah and she is bummed that she is not having it at the Plaza, Piere or a night club like all of her friends. Ugh.

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    11.16.09, 09:12 AM [ Flag ]
    • i'm sure i'll be flamed, but isn't that a rich jew thing and not an nyc thing? i know plenty of dcs in the burbs who spend a fortune on their bar/bat mitzvahs.

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      11.16.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • yes, totally audy and over the top in the not necessarily wealthy burb where i grew up. OTOH, i just went to a bat mitzvah of a public school girl and it was low key and wonderful, the kids were polite and sweet.

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        11.16.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I am a jew and I must agree. Certainly it's more prevalent in the city, due to the higher number of jews and all the potential places for an expensive bash.

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        11.16.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • not so much anymore-- i have seen most cut back and are more meaningful and appropriate

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        11.16.09, 10:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I went to 2 bar/bat mitzvahs in the last few years in NYC and both were extremely low key lunches afterward with some music (not live) for kids to dance. But, both were public school kids -- that's why I am wary of private school for my dcs.

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      11.16.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I was at a Bat Mitzvah for a girl living in Westchester burb and she was wearing a designer gown and was carried into the reception by men dressed as gladiators! get over it

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      11.16.09, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • ugh. i am not jewish but i totally sympathize with all that "stuff" and nyc. ds is just starting school and while we can totally afford the "stuff" we are making a conscious decision to avoid as much of it as we can.

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      11.16.09, 09:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It is a matter of class. My dc is at private and we just did a luncheon after the service. No smoke machines, etc...

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      11.16.09, 09:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • not everyone has them there. My dh does bar/bat mitzvah's at his nightclub at a fraction of the cost

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      11.16.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Bad taste in bar/bat mitzvahs exists everywhere. Not just in NYC private schools. Do you think it's any better in Scarsdale or Short Hills? Worse, probably. If you choose a private school that's not overly Jewish you'll find the parties are much lower key.

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      11.16.09, 09:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Tackiest over priced Bar I ever attended was in Tampa, Fl

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      11.16.09, 09:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Two words - "private school." And two other words "crappy parents."

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      11.16.09, 10:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I have a story for that. Grew up near Jappy suburb and a boy in my hebrew school class was wealthy - his parents through an outrageous (for those days) fancy Bar Mitzvah. He sat there and sulked the whole time and told us, "This is all for my parents. They are just showing off. I didn't want any of this." I was actually very impressed that he said that! Before that I thought he was a spoiled brat. He was embarassed by the opulence of his parents.

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      11.16.09, 10:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Aren't Sweet Sixteen parties like this too? And Quinceaneras (sp?)? Basically, any party thrown for a child whose parents want to indulge/buckle under the pressure... I find it sadder though in Bat/Bar Mitzvot because of the religious symbolism (becoming responsible under Jewish law, an adult, so to speak)... To each their own.

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      11.16.09, 10:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • So don't send your kid to private school. Problem solved.

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      11.16.09, 10:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm in scarsdale and not at that age yet, but I hear things like that go on here too, as well as low-key bar mitzvahs.....as I'm sure there are in Manhattan as well. It really has NOTHING at all to do with WHERE you live. It's all about the parents and there are overindulgent parents everywhere.

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      11.16.09, 11:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • All kids/families are different. We went to one at Central years ago and there were 2 girls being bat mitzvahed. The one we were there for was in a tea length Laura Ashley dress, and the other was in a glittery mini-dress of some sort. I'm sure this 2nd girl's party was very different from the one we attended.

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      11.16.09, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We threw a luncheon with live jazz music on the roof of our old building and DD attends a SS school. DD was pleased and so were her friends. They thought it was "classy" and not overdone, it's all a matter of taste.

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      11.16.09, 04:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • WASP here. have attended many Jewish wedding. All pretty tasteful, no matter how much/little they cost. The Bat/Bar Mitzvahs I've attended are another story. All vulgar as hell. And yes, WASPs do tacky too.

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      11.16.09, 05:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Lol. My nieces were exactly the same only one lives on Long Island and one in Tenafly.

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      11.16.09, 05:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • WASP with Jewish DH here: Flame away, but the Bar/Bat Mitzvah party thing was a pretty significant factor in my not wanting to raise DCs Jewish. Some great lower key suggestions here that I'd go for, but the norm in the city still seems to be tacky beyond belief and I can't get past being appalled by it. Knew my ILs would push for a huge party so figured, why even go there?

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      11.16.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • that's sick. Anyway your kids aren't jewish because you aren't. What an awful thing to say and a ridiculous reason not to raise kids jewish. Absurd actually

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        11.16.09, 06:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • you have no clue about being jewish. taking the bar/bat mitzvah is studying the history, the culture, the striving, the things that have been overcome and the inspiration. perhaps if you had decided to study judaism yourself, you might have an understanding of the beauty of the faith. and guess what - it's the parents that pay for and decide the festivities and that's where the bar/bat mitzvah child learns about compromise and values and meaning.

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        11.17.09, 01:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • This is not Manhattan's fault. This is her parents fault. There are kids like that all over the world.

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      11.17.09, 04:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA- I moved here from northern FL (essentially the south) and even though people there didn't have the money of Manhattanites, they sure had the snobbery. In fact, I think that people in Manhattan are generally more accepting of "income diversity" than the crowd I ran with in northern FL.

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        11.17.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I am not happy about crazy over the top BM but I'm more worried about all the sexual things that go on. Not sure if I'd send my dd to her friends' BMs when the time comes. I don't think I would let her go unless moms are also invited to chaperone (myself, not other permissive parents). But worried dd will be ostracized if I don't let her go.

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      11.17.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Did anyone put their kindergartener on a bus to go to/from school instead of doing a personal drop off/pick up? I'm afraid of having no contact at all with the teachers if we end up at a totally unconvenient school. Did it matter in terms playdates? Both my dh and I work so our nanny was doing drop off / pick up for nursery school but she won't be able to do it for kindergarden unless we und up at a school that's close to us b/c of child #2. Thanks.

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    11.16.09, 07:44 AM [ Flag ]
    • We do. To be honest, we don't do playdates with school friends except the occasional weekend, and I do feel fairly disconnected from the school, but I don't see either of these as negatives. If we need to contact the teacher, we do it through email and get a quick response, but we barely do that.

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      11.16.09, 07:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We do (we go to Nest). It's unfortunate that we don't have that contact with the school, but in all honesty, K is a lot different from preschool -- you drop off outside and are not allowed in the bldg. So, yes, if we took DC to school we'd see other parents, but we wouldn't see the classroom anyway. As for playdates, the kids come from all over the city, so it's not as easy to make playdates, but we still manage to see friends on weekends (whether in Brooklyn, Queens or Manhattan). During the week, there's so much activity that I don't feel DC needs constant playdates. So, I think it works just fine, but if this is a priority for you, then you don't have to apply to schools that are further away. There are probably lots of great opti...

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      11.16.09, 07:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • k isn't like preschool. the schools don't really let the parents hang around and bug the teachers at pick up and drop off.

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      11.16.09, 08:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I did. I drove for the first few weeks and after that she went on the bus. The school has lots of opportunities for parent involvement and visitation. Also, they're great with emails and calls. BUT, her preschool--where I did daily drop off and pick up was worse with communication and even though I was there daily, I have more insight now. So bottom line, mode of transportation doesn't matter. School communication style does.

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      11.16.09, 08:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • we did, very far from school - you have to be well regimented and resign yourself that the child will have two sets of friends - those the child goes to school with and those the child does activities/sports with - just the way it is for us and couldn't be better situation for us.

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      11.16.09, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • yes, both kids. parent visiting in many schools in K plus lots of time to do stuff in classroom, go on field trips, etc. Feel like it made no difference--perhaps a little more effort on my part to go to things and make those calls/emails to parents but seriously, made no difference.

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      11.16.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Yes. It is not ideal, to be honest. But it was the best school option available to us, and we have no regrets. You get used to it.

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      11.16.09, 05:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i would never put my k dc on a bus unless i had no other options. this is the reason we turned down lower lab. luckily, we have a great gen ed.

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      11.16.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Yes, my kindergartener goes on a bus. I e-mail teachers (the school is private) and see them at evening functions, etc. There is also an interactive website to monitor homework, etc. I started doing the pickup but it was so fraught with taking care of my other kids too that it wasn't worth it--and I didn't interact with anyone (kids, teachers, etc) anyway--it was more of a grab 'em and go situation.

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      11.16.09, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Our son takes the bus to and from school. We communicate with the teachers a lot--she will call or send home a note if there is anything to say, and we get a newsletter at least once a week. There are a lot of kids from our neighborhood that attend the school, so playdates have not been a problem. The bus makes our lives so much easier!

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      11.16.09, 07:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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