[-]Dc still hasn't taken ERB (taking them at school). The suspense is killing me. Wish it was over already and I'm also worried that schools won't care by the time we get the damn scores as they will have already picked!
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]Please relax. last year dc took it in mid-nov and did not even have the score at our parent interviews. it all worked out just fine.
[ Reply | Options ]Thank you both. I know I need to just chill. Whole thing is making me nuts and I just need to get back to work and stop the madness. About how long does it take to receive scores once child has taken ERB? Online, if it matters. Thank you.
[ Reply | Options ]Sort of depends when dc takes it. I think it took us 2 weeks but my friend's dc didn't get scores for 4 weeks. Honestly, there is so much more important in life and in this process to cause anxiety, I hop you can try to let this go. You will get them when you get them and it won't matter at all for the interview process.
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[-]Looking for cute/stylish toddler clothes in *neutral* colors, preferably online (too much purple right now). Not over the top $$$. 2 yo dd in Manhattan. Thanks.
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what about American Apparel - not sure what their kids stuff looks like these days. If you have some time to kill, check out Daffys and Century 21 which carry high end stuff (I guess past seasons) at way discounted prices. Some of the Euro clothes are more subdued (though others super crazy).
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[-]Anyone have thoughts on Jack and Jill? We have our interview soon. Hear the director is a character
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]we are there and really like it. ms leshaw is def old school and can come across a bit brusque, but she has been around for a long time and truly loves the kids. she tells it like it is ... if you're not into that, j&j will not be the school for you. any other q's?
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np: We liked her at the tour. Seemed very committed. When you say brusque, is she brusque with the kids? Also, is she brusque in a "good" way? Anything else you can say about the school would be great.
[ Reply | Options ]or: brusque in the a good way, perhaps a better word would be "direct." she doesn't sugar coat the truth. def NOT unkind, in fact, she is really loving, esp with the kids. agree with everything the poster below wrote. LOVE all the head teachers ... they have been around for a long long time and really get to know each child and family very well. they really TEACH at j&j ... i'm often astounded by what they are doing at school (did you know internal organs at age 4)? but the teaching is def not pushy ... the kids have a lot of fun. the community is great. money doesn't get you anywhere at the school. no ues-style fundraisers (j&j has 2 -- halloween party and spring fair that are incredibly low key) but they really want both parents...
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J&J parent here - we love it. Jean is very direct, great sense of humor, very caring, hands-on, accessible for both parents and kids. I really like her honesty and high-level of involvement. She takes the time to know each one of the kids well, which is great for outplacement. The school has a strong sense of community. I've made some great mom friends at J&J - even though there are some very wealthy/celeb families, it isn't an UES social scene. Jean really has a bullshit-dectector and there aren't any high-maintenance crazies among the parents. It's been the perfect first learning experience for our dc.
[ Reply | Options ]Have a friend with a dc at J&J and I think she likes it overall but says that it can be a little cold.
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Sure what do you want to talk about? Educational approach -- very good, in my opinion.
[ Reply | Options ]One of the most important components of the approach is to take cues from dcs - follow up on THEIR interests rather than imposing own. This sort of deep exploration of any topic is v good prep for K, which requires continued focus. And I think there is a balance btwn group and individual play. DC in Reggio-influenced preschool and extremely happy.
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I could never articulate it, you shoudl go to a professional source, but it is an amazing approach. The things that are done, being driven by the kids' own imaginations, at true Reggio schools, are very interesting - and beyond what happens in traditional pre-schools. But it's more about the whole child's creativity and confidence, -- don't worry about the first grade thing, first grade comes when first grade comes
[ Reply | Options ]From what I have read and their website a child is allowed to read about, be read to, draw pictures of, create models of and write essays on a particular subject. Instead of the child just reading out of a text, the child can do projects on any of the subjects the teacher or they come up with. It reinforces what they learn in a variety of ways; reading, hearing, writting, modleing, talking about, etc.
[ Reply | Options ]It is the best kept secret in the Western Hemisphere. Their approach is hot in parts of the world like Australia and Germany (and Italy, of course). In ten years new parents will be clamoring to get their kids enrolled in RE schools. These days it's more of an eyebrow raiser.
[ Reply | Options ]It's not an eyebrow raiser at all anymore. Every top preschool in Manhattan incorporates at least some Reggio. 92Y, Brick, All Souls, First Pres, and Beginnings are entirely Reggio (so is MAP, fwiw). Episcopal and, I've heard, PAC also incorporate a lot of Reggio ideas. It is the norm now (except among the stodgy UES "traditional" schools with the uniforms and workbooks).
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CDS is NOT Reggio. They, like many NYC schools "incorporate" RE into their philosophy, but they are a typical developmental preschool (we are there).
[ Reply | Options ]NP: We're in our third happy year at CDS. 2007 auction raised $$$ to send teachers to Italy for a Reggio Emilia conference. Auction 2008 raised $$$ for Reggio play materials. Teachers talk about RE all the time, the "Thousand Voices of Children"? Come on, it's an RE school (like Beginnings) and proud of it. THey just don't advertise it on their website is all.
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sorry, just figuring out how to use this thing. i did some research on this, and here's what i found:
[ Reply | Options ][disclaimer: i'm not an expert on this, just did some reading, which i'll include in the post] (1) the 'sum of scaled scores' that hunter uses is in fact called the 'full scale iq' score (2) this score has a mean of 100 and standard deviation of 15 (3) if you want to map your kid's score to a percentile, look it up on this table --> http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQtable.aspx (4) for example a 149 is a 99.93%
[ Reply | Options ]This is totally wrong Sum of scaled scores is not IQ. There is a conversion factor. Db scored 143 last year and the tester informed us it was 97%. The table you are looking at may not be the SB5, there are earlier versions.
[ Reply | Options ]according to the book, the conversion factor comes into play when converting the raw scores for each of the 10 areas (five verbal, five non-verbal) to a scaled score. each area's scales score has a mean of 10 and a standard deviation of 3. the "sum of scaled scores" has a mean of 100 and a standard deviation of 15. the chart i linked to has nothing to do with the stanford binet -- it simply tells you what the percentiles are for a scale with a mean of 100 and standard deviation of 15. btw, only the latest edition of the stanford binet (the 5th edition) has a standard deviation of 15; prior versions had standard deviations of 16.
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i got this information from a book called "Essentials of Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales (SB5) Assessment" by Gale H. Roid and R. Andrew Barram: "The most complete composite score, the Full Scale IQ (FSIQ), is derived from the sum of all 10 subtest scaled scores." They go on to explain that each subtest score is "scaled" from 1 to 19. This corresponds to the "maximium 190 score" that is described on the sheet that you get back from the tester.
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i understand. hunter is actually using the "sum of scaled scores" which is otherwise known as "the full scale iq". they go out of their way to say that it is not the an iq number, but evidence suggests that it actually is one of the scores (and according to the book a pretty good one) that is typically considered an "iq score". i just wanted to post the conversion to percentiles so people can get an idea of what their score means relative to the general population. for hunter admission, it's all about score vs cutoff, where cutoff is designed to make their second round interview load tractable.
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np: "is derived from" does not mean "is equal or the same to" it just means that they have a formula which they are not disclosing that takes the sum of scaled scores and converts them to Full Scale IQ. People really want it to be an IQ score and they really want to know the corresponding percentile and unless you meet with the psych, you're not going to get that info.
[ Reply | Options ]According to "Essentials of Stanford-Binet Intelligence Scales (SB5) Assessment" the Full Scale IQ is the simple sum of the subtest scaled scores. The "secret sauce" that you refer to comes into play as follows: "The final step in calculating the functional-level subtests is to sum each column downward, placing the total raw score across levels (including the base points from low levels before the starting level) and placing the total in the row labeled 'Raw Score Total.' Scaled scores are obtained for each subtest raw score total by using the norm tables in the appendix of the Examiner's Manual" --> my sense is that the Examiner's Manual is the thing that psychologists guard closely that contains the magic mapping of raw scores to scale...
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isn't hunter sb5 test an abbreviated version? thought they only gave 8 (of the 10) subtests. so even if you look at various sb5 technical manuals, don't see how you can translate hunter's sss to exact iq score. besides if the full sb5 test were given, could be the case that some kids with a hunter-sss of say 142 might have outscored and ended up with a higher iq than a kid with hunter-sss of say 145.
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We are zoned for PS 151 and DD will be starting there in the fall. Has anyone heard anything about the school? We are scheduled for a tour in a few months, but hearing all of the chatter on the playground about tours, applications, waitlists, etc and nerves are beginning to kick in.
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[-]Almost every preschool boy I know has been diagnosed with some sort of sensory disorder. Please comment.
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]My preschool boy surely would: at dinner tonight he complained his cake was too sticky, many tags irritate him, the sound of the air conditioner bothers him.... definitely sensory integration issues. OT? OT? Where are you?
[ Reply | Options ]NP: LOL, my son definitely has the tag issues. Once my DH set up a tent in the backyard so they could "camp" out there. DS went inside, at 3, got one look at the huge tent, and booked it out of there. Even after I removed the tag, he didn't want to go in. No tags on anything, ever!
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[-]Have we discussed the new government recommendations for mammograms? Step one to healthcare rationing IMHO.
12 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]Healthcare is already rationed. Those who can afford to pay for it have it, those who can't afford to pay for it do not. Changing best practices in order to reflect current research is not rationing.
[ Reply | Options ]Oh my gosh, I don't think you understand the pros/cons. In the US we screen very early and often. We tend to catch many pre-cancerous tumors, and then we tend to intervene. Intervention (chemo, surgery) is associated with its own risks, and studies have been demonstrating that the costs of screening early (due to interventions) aren't justified by the benefits. Our outcomes are similar to those of other places that screen later. Healthcare is already rationed in this country, but in this instance we are actually seeing evidence based medicine that will result in better health for you, the patient! More treatment often means worse outcomes!
[ Reply | Options ]"Rationing" is the only way to keep costs reasonable. If your insurance company (or medicare) was willing to pay for any treatment at all (including the ones shown to be ineffective, like mammograms in the 40s) the costs would be astronomical. On top of that, the studies show that not screening in the 40s results in better health for you. So what, exactly, is the problem? Unless you are performing mammograms and are disappointed about the drop in revenue?
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They are not saying you should not do regular self-exams, manual exams at well woman visits, or follow up on problems. They are not saying cancer does not occur earlier. They are saying that studies focusing on the value of mammograms before 50 have shown that, at the population level, outcomes are no better (and probably worse) than if they are delayed until after 50. The recommendations deal with mammograms and the best age to begin them--not with treating breast cancer!
[ Reply | Options ]And because my family has a history of breast cancer I had them and would never have found the tumor without the test at 27. Something which will not be available if healthcare is nationalized. You should live in a country for a few years where is it and you will see how standardization has victims too
[ Reply | Options ]this is not true. For people with a family history earlier screening, if recommended by a doctor, will get approved. Why are you assuming the gov't will be more hard ass than the ridiculous insurance companies?? have you ever had to get something pre-approved, or tried to get reimbursed for something you had to pay out of pocket? Why does everyone act like the insurance companies are a dream??
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die hard republican here. and MD mom. you are WRONG in this case. the rec arent about rationing. they are about the realization that the outcomes in screened pts are similar (or worse) than those with later screening. evidence based medicine is great when it works, but every treatment comes with risks. mammo catching something --> chemo/radiation/surgery (1 and or 2 and or 3). all involve huge risks. why incur that if not necessary. if you can afford a mammogram at 22, hell, get one. get a full body scan too. but that doesnt guarantee good health, far from it.
[ Reply | Options ]So interesting, and glad to hear bi-partisan weighing in! Wondering what else can help, what differences general education, self-exams, etc., have made. To OP--do you seriously think that the gov't somehow has a more vested interest in cutting costs than Blue Cross Blue Shield or Kaiser? I do not understand this POV that for-profit insurance co's do NOT ration and are going to be kinder and gentler and say "sure! get one every year--it's on us!"
[ Reply | Options ]lol. it sure is easy for me as a doc to "blame" every "cost cutting" measure on "obamacare" (and,as a republican who listens to fox every morning during my long drive from the city up to valhalla, would be convenient lol), but you have to really look at the issues.I do think htere is alot of data out there pointing to self examdoing alot of good in hte past ~10 yrs in terms of detction (sory abt the typos, this computer is uberslow). I agree with u - BCBS et al arent in it for " the good of the people" and a/o who thinks that is sriously demented. but then OTOH, our govt that was creatd "by the people, for hte people" isnt exactly that altruistic either.
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I'm not in favor of socialized healthcare, but on this particular issue, there have been some very interesting longitudinal studies done comparing cancer rates in places w/routine mammograms and places without routine mammograms that have suggested that not only do mammograms prior to age 50 or so not improve health, but that they actually result in extreme treatments for minor issues that would normally resolve themselves without treatment in younger women.
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[-]How much do you give your f/t nanny for bonus (NYC)? A week's pay? Two weeks? TIA!
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]thanks for asking this. I asked the other day and only got 1 or 2 productive responses. I think I am going to give her a little something extra, maybe a few hundred bucks on thanksgiving to say thanks for being part of our family (a suggestion from someone else) and a weeks pay plus a present on christmas/end of year.
[ Reply | Options ]We started at one week's pay and have been giving a bit more each year. We're now at about 1 1/2 weeks.
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[-]So frustrated right now. Yesterday, DH was upset that he couldn't find any socks. Funny, since I washed a TON the day before. I go find him socks while he sulks on the couch. For this I have a masters and a doctorate? Today, I'm pissed because he didn't beleive me when I said our son had a fever. Well, guess who just woke up? Guess who's really hot and wont take his medication, let me take his temperature, or even put on Vapor rub? Guess who's the only one up and worried about how to deal with it? My son is five, sick, and wants mommy. Baby is 3 months old, really really needs to stay healthy, but needs mommy. NOT HAVING A GOOD DAY!
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i had 2 dc's sick with flu and was nursing 7 week old. dh told me "grow up-- kids get sick, deal with it". does your day seem better?
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What is it about the socks? Remember that old Jack Nicholson/Meryl Streep movie where the socks were the dealbreaker for the marriage?
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[-]new government recommendations for mammograms now to start at 50-welcome to Obama Care get used to it
7 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]my private GP in the UK also believes in starting mamograms at 50 and it is not a cost issue. My insurance would pay
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maybe it is trolly--but younger woman die from breast cancer and that is a fact--and I know quite a few forty yo's and younger who have had breast cancer and two that have died from it--this is a government run task force and insurance companies will take up this recommendsation to save money.
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