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  • [-]IT FINALLY HAPPENED. I brought cupcakes to my daughter's 6th birthday at school, and a little boy asked, is that your mom or your grandma. It wouldn't even have been quite as bad (though still awful) if my dd had not been there. She said defensively, that's my mommy! He said, oh because she looks kindof like a grandma. I am 45 but stress had made me look older for sure. And I have a 4 year old! Being a granny mom is HORRIBLE. How do I put it behind me, since this will only continue and no turning back now?

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    11.19.09, 03:27 PM [ Flag ]
    • Do you color your hair? Hair color and cut can make a big difference.

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      11.19.09, 03:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Have you let yourself go? Maybe a haircut and some Olay Regenerist or something would help.

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      11.19.09, 03:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • No, I have not let myself go, I get my hair cut and colored every 4 weeks, dress "youthful", etc. But I have had a pretty hard life in many ways and have various enormous stressors, it shows, I have aged about 20 years in looks in the last 8 years. I

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        11.19.09, 03:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I'm really not sure what I can do about it, those injections are so expensive and require upkeep, I look REALLY old, no wrinkles but much worse than that, skin that sags so you'd never guess my age (which isn't young anyway). I just don't want my kids always being asked why their mom is so old, I could deal with it better if it were just my thing, but don't want them to be humiliated.

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          11.19.09, 03:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: every kid is embarrassed of their parents for some reason. i really, really would not worry so much about your kids being humiliated--this would happen even if you were twenty years younger. moms will always be too old, too young, too fat, too thin, obnoxious, too shy... you can't win. how old you look is the least important part of being a good mom!

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            11.19.09, 03:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • thanks. My dh's parents were 21 and 23 when he was born. He said his mom was always talking about how much younger they were than other parents, and he never thought of them that way--they were just his parents. The reality is this is my issue--I really really wanted to have kids younger but it did not happen. IT is definitely something I am extremely sensitive and quite unhappy about, though I try not to let it suck all the joy out of my fabulous dcs. For someone who feels differently, the comment might bite less.

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              11.19.09, 04:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • i'm like your dh's parents--i'm really self-conscious about how young i am! i had my son at 23, and i always feel like people see me as a teenage mom. i also try to tell myself that it's just my issue. for a while i tried to "look" older, but then i decided that i was being silly, and i am who i am. we really can't win :)

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                11.19.09, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Definitely know how you feel! I agree with previous about gray hair -- definitely makes a huge difference. Also, try not to be so upset by a six year old. Though my son asked me on Tuesday why my butt is so big, and I signed up for Weight Watchers,

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      11.19.09, 03:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • well, the point is, others think it, just not everyone says it. I've been getting for years, in amazement, "Are those your kids?" but no one actually ever implied it was at grandma level.

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        11.19.09, 03:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • kids do get more polite as they get older.

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      11.19.09, 03:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • And guess what. It will never stop. You'll only get older. So, relish your age! You are what you are. Just laugh a lot. Wear bright colors. Tell the kids jokes. They'll be so enraptured no-one will think of your age, just how great you are! Good luck. (FYI: DC is 5, I am 51).

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        11.19.09, 03:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm really sorry that happened to you. FWIW, when my MIL comes to visit and takes my 5 YO son out, everyone thinks she is his mom! She is fifty-five. There are tons of granny moms in this city, and you should not feel alone. Just think about all the great things that come with age and that you can give to your dd. There are tons of advantages to being a little older, wiser, and more settled!

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      11.19.09, 03:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I know how you feel. 41 y/o, DD is 5 y/o, hair is still naturally brown. Was knitting and another 5 y/o asked if I was a grandma, because it seems that only grandmas can knit.

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      11.19.09, 03:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np LOL. I suspect the child would have asked a 25 yo she saw knitting the same question.

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        11.19.09, 03:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • totally agree. THis has nothing to do with how you look (and you are not even an old mom by pretty much anyone's standards).

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          11.19.09, 03:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Granny mom here. No one has been so horrible to comment on it yet (sorry about that!). Keep up with your hair color, keep your weight in line and wear at least a bit of makeup. I don't think the mid-30s moms have a clue that I am 43.

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      11.19.09, 03:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • thanks. I am literally considering plastic surgery because of the sagging, but can't afford it, and am afraid of looking totally different and just weird, not younger.

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        11.19.09, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OR - Oops. I actually totally I forgot. I did have my eyelids done a few years ago. That helps a lot. I had one of the top surgeons on the West Coast and I just look the same only 10 years younger. You have to be very very careful about who does the work. I think it was only about $3000. I wouldn't be able to do it in this economy so I'm glad I did it when we were feeling flush. Still, I really do recommend it.

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          11.19.09, 03:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • and i was upset my dd's ballet teach thought i was the sitter....at 39

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      11.19.09, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I've been getting the sitter thing since my first was born. But grandma is a whole other category. It means looking at least 10 years older. Older moms often talk about getting mistaken for the grandma, but I wonder if that is really true. I know quite a few MUCH older fathers who get mistaken, but they are way way older (like 60s) and it is different anyway, I think--not as socially "egregious".

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        11.19.09, 03:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • what exactly is sagging?

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      11.19.09, 04:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • don't fret.. .i had a v. poochy, out of shape, graying, deli counter guy (did i mention that he was gross) ask me if i was grandma. my retort was well, if i am grandma, you must be great grandpa! it really stopped him in his tracks.

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      11.19.09, 04:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Do you think having kids later on (late 30s/early 40s) keeps you young or ages you more quickly? Why?

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    11.19.09, 11:43 AM [ Flag ]
    • hmm...idk...a older mom will probably make more of an effort to stay in shape and healthy for 2 reasons: i. she is more aware of the age difference so wants to take every measure to prolong her life ii. she wants to minimize the contrast between her and the younger moms. However, i have 2 aunts who are 50 yo grandmas and they really make me want to be a young mom. Their kids are out of college, so they are really able to enjoy stuff with their kids as friends almost, rather than the old parents who slow them down. So..I guess my answer is, it depends.

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      11.19.09, 01:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • keeps me young. Had dc at 40.

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      11.19.09, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Younger... had first at 39, twins at 41. Chasing after toddlers/preschoolers is great physically. Being reminded by their young innocent perspective constantly confounds the tendency to get stuck in one's ways. And FWIW, in Manhattan, I seem to be very average aged vs the other mom's in my DCs class.

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      11.19.09, 02:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • honestly, it aged me. i always looked ten years younger than my age through my 30s. once i had dc at age 40 it all caught up to me and then some!

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      11.19.09, 02:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i think what aged me was being a mom and a wohm at age 40. no time to go to the gym or take care of myself. now that i sahm i've finally lost the baby weight and feel like i look pretty good for my age. that said, i'm still a lot more pooped than i was when i was younger.

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      11.19.09, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]in such a bind. married a wonderful man i respect greatly but had zero sexual attraction for. been together 10 years. i was screwed up at the time (eating disorders, family trauma, etc) and didnt realize it but NOW i see i made a bargain - emotional security for sex. i have never been happy sexually in our marriage or before. recently met a man thru work that i am madly wildly passionate for and started an affair (flamers field day!) and i have asked my husand for a sep. he is fighting tooth and nail. wants our marriage to work. i feel i am in love with another man and soooooo torn. we have 2 kids. some will say i am selfish. others will say no one wants a martyr for a mother. any experience ub-ers?

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    11.13.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag ]
    • get some counseling - personal and marital - you owe it to yourself, your dh and your kids!!!

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      11.13.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • omg, we are in couples, both in individual and both have 12 step programs as support groups

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        11.13.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Your sex drive will fade for this other man and you will be left with no "wonderful man" because a wonderful man will not hook up and break up a marriage, you will have given up time with your children and broken your family for orgasms. Please stay with your husband.

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          11.19.09, 11:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • why would you think good sex = love and conversely, bad sex = a bad marriage?

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      11.13.09, 07:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ita

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        11.13.09, 07:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • hmm, i dont think of it that simply but have passion, sexual desire, sensual experiences with my partner are important to me. these are things i have forsaken in my life til now. i am 37 and just realizing that sexuality is extremely important."sex" isnt just a tiny compartment of life.

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        11.13.09, 07:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • you do realize that even if you end up with the new guy and end up marrying him (a big if) - the passion eventually fades anyway. I'm not saying that it disappears, but there's no way it will sustain at its current, we're doing something illicit and wild and carefree, level.

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          11.13.09, 07:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Catholics have to go to pre-marriage counseling before we get married, it's called pre-cana. And I still remember the Priest talking to us. He said, " I always tell couples, you will meet the person you should have married after you are already married. Marriage is a choice you make each day when you wake up." If you are done making the choice to be married, I don't think its really fair that you stay with your lover. You owe it to yourself, kids, and husband actually, to separate, and get your act together, before diving in with the new guy. Sex does not last.

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      11.13.09, 07:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • hmm, so interesting what your priest says. do you meet the man you should have married as a test to your commitment to marriage? i feel like i committed to my marriage because i didnt know what else to do.

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        11.13.09, 07:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I thought it was really great advice. I took it that marriage is hard work. You have to do the work every day. And of course, anyone who has dated someone for 3 years knows it gets old, and boring, and its tempting to look around. Do you do the work, or throw in the towel. To OP, I would say, I find your husband attractive that he was a loyal, loving husband and father for 10 years, much more attractive to me than your lover who would break up a family. I really do. I have a number of single girlfriends I would like to set your soon to be ex-husband up with after you have left him. He soudns like an honrable guy.

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          11.13.09, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • what great advice

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        11.13.09, 10:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I find it amazing that you found a man whom you respect, who was willing to go through all your screwed up stuff, and be the father to your children and is willing to fight for you tooth and nail that you don't value him and your family enough to find a way to improve your sex life with him. HOnestly, Ithink he is the martyr in this situation - I think you would be foolish to throw all this away and will probably really regret it. It sounds like you have a long pattern of self-destructive behavior and this affair is part of it. Affairs are self-destructive - and destructive of others. Is the affair all about sex or is there more to it?

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      11.13.09, 07:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • much more to it. he is emotionally present, we get along very well, "get" each other, both have walked through really difficult stuff. by martyr, i meant being in a sexless, safe marriage because i "owe" it to him, rather than having the courage to creatie the life & love i want? also - i have taken my husband to sex therpay several times. he wasnt willing to look at himself. it;s always ME that is the problem.

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        11.13.09, 07:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • more from OP, i value my family and kids tremendously but i am not so attached to the hallmark picture of a nuclear family to suppress all of my desires to maintain that picture. sounds like a recipe for divorce once the kids go to college. my therapist says i have re-created the incest of my childhood by having 10 years of sex that i d idnt want to have. literally, REPULSED by my husband's body. but always made it MY FAULT for thinking that. maybe we dont have "chemistry". can you conjure chemistry?

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          11.13.09, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Well, to be completely honest, my DH has packed on the pounds over the years, and objectively, probably isn't THE sexiest man alive. But he loves our family, our kids, and me. So yes, you can conjure chemistry.

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            11.13.09, 07:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • more from OP - trust me, i am terrified of making a decision i will regret. i couldnt live with that... so i am doing tons and tons of work on myself and the marriage to see what can be improved. including 86'ing the affair.

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            11.13.09, 07:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • it really doesn't matter how physically unattracted you are to your husband, that's no excuse for hurting him in this way. and it doesn't matter how dysfunctional your family/childhood was, you are a grown woman responsible for your own actions and your actions are inexcusable. if you were terminally unhappy with your marriage, you should have ended it before you moved onto another intimate relationship. can you imagine your two children someday trying to blame their adult problems on the fact that their mother was a damaged, selfish, addictive personality who broke up their family and destroyed their father all because she cared more about her sex life with a boyfriend than her marriage and family? doesn't sound like a pattern you should b...

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              11.13.09, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np-can you read in your post that you are blaming someone and assuming THEY must have something wrong with them ("can you conjure chemistry"?) This is a pattern. it's NOT everyone else's fault. You need to take a step back and stop acting like an 18 yr old school girl.

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            11.13.09, 07:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • this is after 10 years of thinking it was ALL me. and taking full responsibility for the fact that our sex life wasnt working.

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              11.13.09, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np-your frame is all wrong. you dont stay in a marriage because you owe it to them. you stay in because of all of hte blessings that you have and because you YOURSELF made a commitment to be married. you need to stop thinking about what you dont have and start thinking about what you value. do you value truthfulness? honesty? doing what you said you would do? therapy isnt about the other person's problems. it's about our OWN. what is it inside of you that thinks you should be so callous with these tremendous blessings?

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          11.13.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • i havent been callous. i have been completely devoted and focused ENTIRELY on what a wonderful man he is for 10 years. i have only looked at my own deficiencies and blocks. (see my postings above). i do feel incredibly blessed. i think because of my sexual trauma and abuse though, i chose a man based on that framework. not from a healthy confident place. so, do you believe in the "you've made your bed now lie in it" way of approaching life? do you believe people who stay in sexless repressed marriages benefit their children? i grew up in a sexless home and that is why i had NO IDEA about sexuality in life and married someone who repulsed me physically.

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            11.13.09, 07:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • look. i'm sure that you and your therapist have discussed this a good deal. but the tone of your email is "i" this and "i" that. it's all about you. which is a framework for life you get to have before YOU choose the responsibility of creating a family. then it doesnt get to be "i" "i". once YOU make that choice, whoever you were when you made it, then your frame needs to shift. otherwise, yes, you are callous and self absorbed. period.

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              11.13.09, 07:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • i have put my husband's feeling before mine for the last 10 years. he was so afraid of losing me he didnt want me to go to rehab because he was afraid i would "get well" and leave him, was afraid if me going on a retreat because it sounds risque to him and thereatened him, my post sounds all I I I because YES it finally is about me. most of my life has been about people pleasing for survival, my family, now my husband. it sounds like YOUR framework for life is VERY punitive. no one can change their mind. no one can make mistakes.

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                11.13.09, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Oh OP, best of luck to you, Sex isn't everything but it is a very important,vital energy. It sounds like you need to have a realized sexual existence. If it isn't with your husband, you'll need to suffer that loss. I'm truly sorry.

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                  11.13.09, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • i am praying it's with my husband. and leaving no stone unturned.

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                    11.13.09, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • it sounds to me like you've had way too much therapy if you ask me. i have experience with your type in my own dysfunctional family. you've had so much therapy that you know all the lingo (so you, therefore, "know it all" and are pretty much beyond help at this point). and, because you are so well-versed in all this psycho-babble, you have gotten to the point where you see everyone's deficiencies but your own. if you had only stayed faithful, this whole story would read much differently. but your infidelity, in my opinion, is unconscionable.

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                      11.13.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • NP: You are clearly very mad at your husband. I am not shrink, bt I would guess you are deflecting, or trying t make yourself mad at him so he's easier to leave?? Also, you talk so much about hte importance of sexuality in life.. it's odd to me. I just don't see it as important. Maybe 5% of our marriage is sexuality, 25% humor, etc..

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                  11.13.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: How can such a wise person like you be on UB?

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            11.13.09, 07:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • is that to OP or the woman saying i made my bed now lie in it?

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              11.13.09, 07:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • It was a sincere compliment for the second.

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                11.13.09, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • why ? because she is saying that you just have to stick out your commitments even though it is a daily inner torture? because he is a good man? because sex "isnt everything"? never said it was "everything" but ANY marraige counselor will say that physical attraction and chemistry is a MUST. unless BOTH partners do not value sexual vitality.

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                  11.13.09, 08:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • The point at which you were most selfish is when you married him - not now (yes, yes, I know you had issues). Does he know that you actually find him repulsive and he's OK with that? If he is, what about an open marriage?

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      11.13.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • trust me - i know that is when i was most selfish and it is a testament to how little i trusted myself and my instincts. i had a teeny tiny voice saying he wasnt the one but i didnt trust myself as i had made so many bad decisions. i have told him t hat i never truly chose to have a SEXUAL relationship with him. that i have always done it to please him, never myself. he knows this now.. and is accepting it. and now that we are FINALLY being honest with each other we are looking at how we can COMPLETELY re-boot our sex life. reading books... looking at more spiritual appraoches to sex

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        11.13.09, 08:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Oh my goodness. How could you say this to him? I'm siging off this post, because it is so upsetting. I feel for your DH. If my DH told me he only had sex w me to please me, not himself, I would be heartbroken. If you hate him so much, please do leave him. Let him find a loving wife who will be there through thick and thin. There are many more single women out there.

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          11.13.09, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • just because i am a wofe and mother doesnt mean i am NOT allowed to WAKE UP and find my god amd find my truth. wives and mothers have rights too.

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            11.13.09, 08:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • it sounds as if you've made up your mind. But don't ask for approval. You won't get it and don't deserve it. If all this is worth it to you to leave your dh, you must understand what it will cost you.

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              11.13.09, 10:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You did your husband a great disservice by marrying him when you felt no attraction at all towards him. It was selfish and you basically used him for security. You did a greater disservice by having two children with this husband that you felt repulsed by. And now you want to dump them all because you want a better life? You do not sound worthy of your husband or children and I hope he gets them in a custody battle, because he is better suited to be a responsible parent. I'm sorry you had an early trauma, but does that give you license to do what you will do to three people? I say NO. You've made your decisions, now honor up to them.

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      11.13.09, 08:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i am worthy. i am.

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        11.13.09, 08:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • also - read Mira Kirshenbaum's 'why good people have affairs" and get off your high horse. the fall is long and hard for people like you.

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          11.13.09, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • more psycho-babble. just so you know, there's a self-help book out there that can justify any and everything. still doesn't make it ok.

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            11.13.09, 08:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I feel like this could have been written by a man, and he would be ripped to shreds on this board.

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      11.13.09, 09:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • You've missed the point; most here do not approve or respect what she has done and the kids and dh are the innocent victims. OP needs to own up to responsibility and not cause pain to family. OP is an adolescent mentality with a fantasy life when she has dc who need her to be an adult.

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        11.13.09, 09:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • That wasn't the point of the OP, to which I responded to. It was the point of the other posters.

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          11.13.09, 09:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • sexual attraction is NOT a good thing to base a relationship on. Respect and trust come in MUCH more handy. Don't know about you, but any man I was ever really attracted to and had great sex with was not someone whom I trusted or respected very much. I would advise you to work on your sex life with your dh. Take it as a challenge, you never know!! Think of all the pain and suffering you will cause the way you're going

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      11.13.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • my mother broke up a stable (though there were problems) family for a man she was into sexually (though that of course didn't last, it never does). I have sympathy for her, but after years of analysis therapy and bad behavior on my part, but only after that and a lot of grief, I have trained myself to make better choices than her. But it was very very hard, and I wish I had had better models.

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      11.13.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • exact same thing happened in our family, when i was in my mid-20s. ditto the bad behavior, ditto the grief, ditto therapy. children get emotionally and psychologically clobbered in these situations. i feel for OP's dh and dcs.

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        11.13.09, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • The sexual fire with this guy will die eventually. Try and think what is underneath that in this new man, because that is what you will be stuck with if you go with him, and all that destruction behind you.

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      11.13.09, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Lone dissenter here. You get one life. If you and your husband are not happy together, you don't need to stay out of some type of obligation. Separate.

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      11.13.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • not alone - the most selfish part was marrying him in the first place (though from some of OPs posts, if looks like dh was looking for someone who was easy to control) - that's done and shouldn't necessarily be perpetuated. If they can't ignite the fire or agree to let the fire be ignited elsewhere, then enough.

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        11.13.09, 09:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I just don't think divorce is the worst thing ever. Even if we disagree with every choice she made in the past, she is here now, and basically can get a divorce and pursue happiness. JMO.

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          11.13.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • NP: Do you seriously think she'll find happiness with this other guy? (And let's be honest, the other guy is the reason she's contemplating leaving, not some great personal epiphany like she's trying to paint it above.) I feel like we'll just see another thread from her a few years down the road with lots of ALL CAPS talking about everything that's wrong with guy #2 and it's not really her fault because it was her first bad marriage that made her make this mistake in her second marriage and . . .

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            11.13.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Dh is willing to fight tooth and nail but is not willing to work on making himself more attractive? That doesn't seem to jibe.

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      11.13.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • If nothing else, you would think he would shed a few pounds from all the tooth and nail fighting!

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        11.13.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • is your lover going to weave into what would be your new life as a single mother with two dc, or are you going to give custody to ex-dh? it's not like you're single w/o kids and can flop in bed whenever you want. is lover going to fit into any kind of life with whatever custody arrangments would be made? think about that.

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      11.13.09, 09:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: I'll join in with the lone dissenter above and say that if you feel the marriage is beyond repair, then leave. Divorce isn't the end of everything, and if you can find a way to build a happier life, then I say go for it. Yes, you took vows but every once in a while, life goes askew, and as the poster wrote above, you only have one life to live. Go out and live it.

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        11.13.09, 09:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • tritto regarding having one life to lead. But remember, things in our head don't always translate so neatly into real life, i.e. the sexy boyfriend and happily ever after. Also, let's be fair: any guy that is fighting tooth and nail to stay in a miserable situation has some serious co-dependency issues of his own.

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          11.13.09, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OR from above: yes, there is no doubt that the boyfriend in the wings has been idealized, but objectively, it does seem like she feels that her marriage is beyond repair. And like it or not, sometimes marriage is. (And nope, I'm not divorced - married 8 yrs...and I know you're agreeing w/me, so I'm directing this at other posters, not you :) I think what someone suggested above is probably best: leave husband AND boyfriend. Figure herself out first.

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            11.13.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My heart goes out to your husband, and that the reward for his loyalty and care for you will be such suffering.

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      11.13.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think you should think about your kids first. What effect will your split have on them? They are going to learn that you cheated on their dad. They will probably learn that their dad desperately tried to save your marriage. The other man is going to be gone in a matter of time, and if you think you feel unhappy and unfulfilled now, just think about how you're going to feel as a single mom. You're enjoying the passion and excitement now, but it's just temporary. I have seen this happen so many times. Odds are so stacked against you--this thing with the other guy is not going to work out, and you are going to be alone, and your kids' lives are going to suffer for your bad judgment. Try to look at this like a grownup and make things work wit...

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      11.13.09, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • eventually you'll lose the passion for new guy, it will become a intense friendship with the same 'emotional security' (or maybe not even that)...and then you'll miss the old father of your kids. just screw around with new guy a few times to get it out of your system during the separation, realize he has a ugly dick, and then go back to old guy with a new appreciation for him.

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      11.15.09, 11:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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