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  • [-]DS bombed coding but the rest of ERB was great (and overall 95). Will the coding prob prevent us from TT?

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    11.19.09, 06:43 PM [ Flag ]
    • My DD bombed coding too and overall got a 98 and PSD said to write off TT girl's schools. We ended up not applying anywhere anyway, but would have taken her advice.

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      11.19.09, 06:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • wow, i guess there's no hope for my dd although i find it hard to believe that so much rides on coding. what score do you consider bombing?

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        11.19.09, 06:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I think she got like a 99/something crazy like 70 or 80 something/98, which I thought was statistically impossible, but because they weigh the verbal and she apparently got all of her verbal answers in the correct range, she managed to pull off a 98 overall. Her write up was great too. It could be that the PSD was trying to save us from real disappointment, since this was pre-application. It wasn't enough of a gap to make us think about evaluation, but a few points more and we would have...

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          11.19.09, 06:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • 98 is good enough.

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        11.19.09, 06:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np How badly could she have done if she still managed a 98 overall?

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        11.19.09, 06:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • really? our PSD said to write off coding and schools don't care, at least for boys, as long as all of the other categories of performance are good.

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        11.19.09, 06:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • That's what she told us. The performance scores shocked us. The verbal scores seemed to reflect who she was pretty well and the narrative was spot on. I was pretty amazed that the tester got her so well. It may be that the PSD didn't want to have to work on our exmissions since we seemed so ambivalent about the whole thing. This made it easier for her too...

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          11.19.09, 06:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np; well, at girls schools, most girls who score 99 and 98 also do well in coding, and they expect girls to have advanced fine motor skills to be able to pull off coding part. They ask girls to hop on one foot and walk up the stairs, etc. So they do care. But what were the other perfomance section scores? I can't believe you'd get 70/80 from one bombed coding.

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            11.19.09, 06:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • ITA. Coding was my dd's lowest score by far, but she still got a decent (low 90s) score.

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              11.19.09, 07:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Honestly can't remember - some were high and one was a 63. I wish I could remember which one - clearly not one that was weighed particularly heavily.

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              11.19.09, 07:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Then coding was not the only subtest she got below 90. I think TTs were out also because of the spread. 20 pt spread would trigger a red flag for possible LD.

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                11.19.09, 07:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • LD?

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                  11.19.09, 07:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I don't think this is right -- I think a lot of kids who do great on everything else bomb coding. More boys than girls, but still isn't uncommon at all. Not an LD sign.

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                  11.19.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • I'm talking about the SPREAD (20+)... it doesn't have to mean LD but TTs don't want to bother finding out.

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                    11.19.09, 07:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • what's LD? late developer?

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                      11.19.09, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • learning disability.

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                        11.19.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • are you kidding me? getting 75-80 on any of the performance categories indicates learning disabilities? that's nuts!

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                          11.19.09, 07:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • No, the SPREAD raises a flag. The spread between verbal and perf.

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                          11.19.09, 07:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • so with my dc's 99 v and 81 perf, i can kiss tt goodbye even with good playdates and school report?

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                          11.19.09, 08:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Not say good bye but just realize it might trigger a red flag and they may be looking more carefully at your dc for any signs of LD or whatever.

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                          11.19.09, 08:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • very discouraging to hear that my dc may have LD although here on UB would be the first place i've heard of it. dc's preschool teachers have not said anything of sort and report cards show age appropriate or strength.

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                          11.19.09, 08:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Again, does NOT mean your dc has LD or even might have any LD. I'm only talking about these schools who can pick and choose whoever...

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                          11.19.09, 08:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Right -- some are weighted more heavily. DS got mid-60s in the coding but still got low 90s on performance b/c high 90s in every other subtest.

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                11.19.09, 07:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • all are weighted the same. all the scaled scores are added together for a total score and then assigned a percentile.

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                  11.19.09, 07:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Wow, I would apply anyways with that score. My DC got 95 with low verbal but lots of schools seem to like him (keeping my fingers crossed).

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        11.19.09, 07:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • your psd gave you this advice, not because your dd bombed one subtest but because she had a low overall performance score. my dc completely bombed a performance subtest but the overall performance score was still pretty high. didn't make any difference to the schools and no one asked about it.

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        11.20.09, 08:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Yes it may

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      11.19.09, 07:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Anyone kind enough to explain what happens during the "coding" part of the test? What are they asked to code?

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      11.19.09, 07:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think you should do a search on "coding." Last year everyone thought coding was the least important subset and lots of boys get low scores because of their fine motor skills.

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      11.19.09, 07:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • DS goes to a "TT" school. He got a 98 overall and coding looked like 30th percentile or so so no, it didn't hurt him.

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        11.19.09, 08:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • wow... this is the first time I've heard that a low score on coding could be an issue?? DD scored well on almost everything (99x3 overall) except coding (got 75). Would TT really ding her for having one low subset? jeezus - who *DOES* get into TTs??

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      11.19.09, 08:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • No, she will do fine if the birthday is before May

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        11.20.09, 05:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • This same set of scores was not an issue for DS at TTs. 2 accepts. I do think girls tend to score better than the boys on coding though.

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        11.20.09, 06:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • not at all. don't worry about it. your dd has a stellar score. whether she gets into a tt or not will depend on how she does on the playdates and a lot of luck.

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        11.20.09, 08:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Am I the only one here who went to HM as a kid and loved it? I was really hurt they did not take my DC for nursery. I thought HM was a terrific school. I met plenty of snotty kids, but also some very nice ones.

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    11.19.09, 07:52 AM [ Flag ]
    • I loved the education and my friends, but not the general social scene. We have a toddler -- interesting to hear about a legacy getting dinged. Ouch. I guess it's because over the past few years they've had no room for anyone but sibs and legacies, so they changed the policy.

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      11.19.09, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • When DH and I went, it cost $7500 a year in tuition. I think they are really interested in $$$ and trying to bring in people with the big bucks.

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        11.19.09, 07:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • wait, you're a legacy and they didnt take your kid?

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      11.19.09, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Yes. Posted here many times. DH and I both went, so did my brother and sister, and FIL and DH's uncle, and still dinged.

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        11.19.09, 07:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • that sucks. did they at least handle it in a positive way? (i.e. call you and give you a heads up that it wouldnt work out and say why?)

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          11.19.09, 08:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I really have no nice things to say about the interview process and playdate. That said - my Mom told me I was IMPOSSIBLE at my HM interview (I was 5 years old) and they let me come back and repeat it. Ah, 1978.

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            11.19.09, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • They did call and say they were not taking him. Did not say why. I found interviewer very cold.

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              11.19.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • i am sorry that now you have these disappointing feelings about your alma mater. i hope that your child ended up someplace where you are happy.

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              11.19.09, 08:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Happy with it in some ways, not others. Not sure in the end if HM would be right for him though either.

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                11.19.09, 08:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I think the reason my fam got in at all in the first place was - in those days - my dad had a muckety muck job. Now we have nothing to offer - not particularly rich, no connections - etc. - not the most attractive candidates I guess.

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                  11.19.09, 08:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • i have a good friend who had this happen at dalton. they let her know early that her son wasnt a good fit and i think ultimately, she agreed. fwiw, though, i would say that they handled it in a way that she felt was appropriate both for an alum AND for the institution.

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                  11.19.09, 08:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • the few adults I know well that went there all have no interest in sending their dcs there. When I was considering applying for dc they let me know they would think twice about it

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      11.19.09, 07:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Thanks so much for your post! Am a bit surprised that they wouldn't take a multiple legacy. Did your child have a bad playdate? Did they give you any feedback? We're currently applying and it's our FC. Our DC did not have a terrific playdate but I think was within the confines of normal behavior for a 2 year old. Just have no idea what they are looking for at these playdates. Where did your child ultimately end up? Once again, many thanks for your input.

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      11.19.09, 08:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I think he was ok at the playdate but not stellar. He didn't follow some directions and he tried a little too hard to get attention (put his face in the director's face and made a silly face). Our interview we felt like she was probing to find out if we had a trust fund or something - it was weird. He ended up at Heschel, which is a nice school.

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        11.19.09, 08:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: I think for HM to try to maintain its "toughest most competetive academic environment in nyc" reputation, they can't afford to simply accept sibs and legacies that they believe aren't going to cut it. i think though that they should handle it better, maybe encourage you to reconsider an application at K when they might have a slightly better feel for your dc.

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        11.19.09, 10:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • HEy, you know what? I think you (and more importantly, your son) are far better off! I wasn't overly impressed with HM....

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      11.19.09, 04:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I went to HM as a kid (started in 7th though) and I wouldn't say that I loved it although my best friends in the world are still from there. A ton of my friends came through from nursery and they did love it. I find that when you start a school from nursery - 12 that you become much more indoctrinated by the school then when you come later. But it was a GREAT education and unbelievable network to this day. All my friends who went there send their kids there. My one friend who's kids didn't get in were also a 4x legacy. Shocked us all.

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      11.20.09, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We are in same boat: my DH and sibs went to HM, plus we were/are well-connected (with family members spending time on the financial board many years ago). Didn't get in last year. However, to be fair, we haven't really be active alums. We just lost track. If we really really want it, we would have to become more involved.

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      11.20.09, 06:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: Meaning what? I'm an alum, totally uninvolved, wondering what (if anything) to do in the year before applying. Won't they chuckle with annoyance given the obvious timing?

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        11.20.09, 06:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]HELP...after coming in late for the second time in a week my nanny just said "I'm so sorry, my medication has been making me oversleep -- I told you I have bipolar disorder right?" Honestly what would you do? I have visions of Britney Spears in my head

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    11.19.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag ]
    • How long has she been your nanny?

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      11.19.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • 4 months, she has been great with my son but I feel so stupid but I had no idea and I guess I never considered an interview question remotely involving something like that.

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        11.19.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • She's been late twice. Make that the reason to terminate. Your baby's health is most important. She is not right for your needs. Goodbye.

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        11.19.09, 12:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • This would probably be a deal-breaker for me. If she is on enough meds that she is oversleeping, she either had recent med increase or is simply on a high dose. Not a good sign.

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      11.19.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Bipolar disorder can be really scary. I would let go of her ASAP.

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      11.19.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP - I have to say I don't know a lot about bipolar but it comepletely freaked me out when she said that as though it was in passing conversation. All I care about is my kids safety

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      11.19.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • at least she is on meds. they can work wonders!

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        11.19.09, 09:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: but you'll be wondering every day if she's taking them. I'd get rid of her. If you don't and, God forbid, she stopped taking her meds and anything happened to your db you wouldn't be able to live with the guilt.

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          11.19.09, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OP - I work from home so I'm hear listening nearly all of the time but you're right it will always be in the back of my head and I would NEVER forgive myself if anything happened

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            11.19.09, 09:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: do you know what bipolar is? IAsk her what happens to her when she stops taking her meds and see what she says. If she goes manic, I would fire. If she becomes depressed, I could keep her.

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            11.19.09, 11:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • it's not regular depressed. It's very agitated depressed, lashing out, crazy-like. I would let her go.

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              11.19.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • If it is Bipolar 1 she could have psychotic episodes. It really depends on how severe it is.

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        11.19.09, 09:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Oh geez, a great way to start the day, eh? I would be worried as well. I don't know if she should have told you in the interview, but now you know and have to make a call.

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      11.19.09, 09:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If you think she's been great, maybe discuss your concerns with her (it's obviously been affecting her work) and request a note from her doctor commenting on whether he/she feels she is safe to work with children?

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      11.19.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP - She is actually moving home in a month so I am looking for someone but I'm worried about the next month - trying to decide if I just get rid of her and try to wing it and figure something out for now fortunately I'm already looking

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        11.19.09, 09:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Well, this actually makes it much easier! You could just say you figured out an alternative plan a little earlier than expected. If you want to.

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          11.19.09, 09:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Well that's good at least. Since you are home with them it is not as pressing a situation. I still would be worried though. I would find someone to replace her quickly though. You can always pay her for the month if that is going to be an issue.

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          11.19.09, 09:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • pay her a month severance and let her go. peace of mind is worth a lot.

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          11.19.09, 09:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ita. There are degrees of this disorder in terms of the functionality of the person. The fact that she is responsibly taking her medications is a good sign. They can produce lethargy, and that's not her fault, though she may need to compensate for that by taking them at a different time of day (or night, depending). I would talk to her honestly and then ask her for a note from her doctor addressing your concerns.

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        11.19.09, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • The bipolar wouldn't bother me as much as her being late twice in one week just four months after she started.

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      11.19.09, 09:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Scary....You first concern is your child. Start looking for a new nanny.

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      11.19.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I would let her go. I have dealt with people like this and they can be very unpredictable.

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      11.19.09, 09:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • "people like this" c'mon, lady. this illness can be severe; it can be relatively mild; and it can be controlled with proper medication. You should not stigmatize and generalize in this manner unless you know the details. And no, I do not suffer from this condition but I do work in the mental health field and know what I am talking about. Please don't perpetuate these stereotypes.

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        11.19.09, 10:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I know more than you think. I have been on medication for some psychological problems and at one time they thought I did have it. I think your post refers more to you then to me b/c I actually know what I am talking about. I also know a couple of people who have this so I am not saying it just to say it. Also unless you have ever had a problem like this and have been on medication (which it doesn't sound like you have) maybe you shouldn't judge people you don't know either. It worries me when you respond so nasty and then say you work in mental health, want to lie some more?

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          11.19.09, 11:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: i think you sound pretty nasty. The OR tried to defend "people like this"- and I know what I am talking about. I do work in the mental health field AND have my own mental problems. The Or is right you should not stigmatize and generalize, it does a disservice to "people like this" - that is me and you...

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            11.19.09, 06:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP thank you all so much for your help I really appreciate it!!

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      11.19.09, 09:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Let her go. Cite lateness as the reason. Do not mention the bipolar illness. She might decide that you are discriminating against her based on a disability. Give her some severance. Wish her good luck.

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      11.19.09, 09:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I know that mental illness is a protected class. Not sure what that means for this type of situation, but I would be sure to document other reasons for letting her go

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      11.19.09, 09:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Virtually all employment laws only apply to employers of a certain size - always greater than 1 employee.

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        11.19.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Oh boy, I hate to say this since I have known some people with bipolar who were very functional, but...if it were me? I'd let her go.

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      11.19.09, 10:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • scary. a close relative suffered from bipolar--along with a slew of other issues that often accompany it-- and i would never, never, never have considered leaving dc with her.

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      11.19.09, 11:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • BFF is biploar, and depresion runs in my family. I am surprised at the ignorance and prejudice expressed by (almost) all on this thread. And the "fact" that you are "protecting" your kids doesn't excuse it (any more than saying you are all for racial equality so long as a slave descendant doesn't touch your kid). You'd also race to fire alcoholics? gays? and you'd never hire a male nanny? You should be ashamed of yourselves.

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      11.19.09, 11:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA.

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        11.19.09, 11:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I cannot believe that you are comparing bipolar disorder with dismissing someone for their gender, race, or sexuality - or really even depression. Are you kidding me??? No of those things affects someone's ability to care for a child. Bipolar disorder is a mental illness that is extremely unpredictable (even when the person is taking their meds) and is an entirely different story. My mother was bipolar and totally unfit! There were days when she couldn't get around to feeding us when we were too little to feed ourselves, she was also extremely moody, verbally abusive, and neglectful. I could go on, but instead just want to urge OP to protect her children. This is a very serious, very unpredictable disease.

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        11.19.09, 12:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Your examples on gender, race, or sexual orientation make sense. And yes, I would fire an alcoholic.

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        11.19.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • ex-husband is bi-polar. I can't stand when dd is with him. She tells me of his road rage incidents, how he gives people the finger and screams/swears at them. He flies off the handle with me all the time for no reason(divorced more than 10 yrs, so why so much anger anymore??). It is incredibly sad. He doesnt like being on the meds because they "dull" him down. Needless to say, from my personal experience, I would not want someone with that disease (yes it is a disease)in charge of my child, especially toddler/baby. I also know of others with the disorder who have alcohol/drug problems because they are not able to control the disorder. It is incredibly sad...

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      11.19.09, 11:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ...wow I reallize I came off a little preachy. I will add that if she is taking her meds and you feel comfortable with her, you should talk about it with her. There are certainly differnt degrees.

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        11.19.09, 11:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP - I am really trying to take it in and not be prejudice but I think what bothers me most is that this is how I'm finding out about it. I've trusted this person to take care of my child who is without a doubt the most important person in the world to me and I think I've also been nothing but kind to our nanny so while I'm attempting to be openminded although I know little about her condition it doesn't seem right to me that it was never worth mentioning to me. I can understand if you have an office job that there is no need to share information like this with your co-workers, but when you come into someone's home and life and are involved with their children its a bit unsettling.

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      11.19.09, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • what kind of referencs did she come with? what was her prior job history? I agree that you have to be concerned for your child first. You obviously really like her and care about her, but you do need to get an idea of the what -ifs.

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        11.19.09, 01:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Well at least you know now what to ask when you hire your new nanny!!

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        11.19.09, 01:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • what if she were diabetic? its possible that if she didn't control her blood sugar levels adequately, she would get woozy or at worst pass out. This can happen even when the diabetic person is very careful. would that be cause to fire her? would you expect her to tell you in an interview that she was diabetic?

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        11.19.09, 01:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I think when you are working with someone's children or in someone's home, it is responsible to be up front about these things in the hiring process. I have 2 family members who are bipolar and DH is a psychiatrist and while there is a wide range of functionality, I would have trouble with someone as the primary care giver to a young child, especially if it involved taking them places, etc. If it were a teacher in a school where a principal knew about it and kept tabs on it, etc., I would be fine with it. Most bipolar people I know have someone int he work place who monitors them and is able to tell them when their medication seems to stop working (ad you enter different cycles, meds stop working and need to be adjusted by psychiatrist)....

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        11.19.09, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I would not allow a person with a diagnosed mental illness to have unsupervised care of my children. Other jobs, sure. This is not discrimination, IMO, just good risk management.

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      11.19.09, 01:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I can pretty much guarantee you that some day you will be leaving your children with a friend, relative, teacher, or whatever who is taking anti-depressants or anti-anxiety meds or whatever. there are DEGREES of all mental illness. B/c this woman has been diagnosed as bipolar does not, on the face of it, make her any more or less responsible for child care than someone who is just "depressed" according to their Upper East Side shrink. OP seems reasonable and cares for the caregiver. She should have an open discussion, express her concerns, and ask for a doctor's assessment if that is warranted.

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        11.19.09, 02:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Better the diagnosed (and treated) mental illness than the undiagnosed.

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        11.19.09, 03:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]IT FINALLY HAPPENED. I brought cupcakes to my daughter's 6th birthday at school, and a little boy asked, is that your mom or your grandma. It wouldn't even have been quite as bad (though still awful) if my dd had not been there. She said defensively, that's my mommy! He said, oh because she looks kindof like a grandma. I am 45 but stress had made me look older for sure. And I have a 4 year old! Being a granny mom is HORRIBLE. How do I put it behind me, since this will only continue and no turning back now?

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    11.19.09, 03:27 PM [ Flag ]
    • Do you color your hair? Hair color and cut can make a big difference.

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      11.19.09, 03:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Have you let yourself go? Maybe a haircut and some Olay Regenerist or something would help.

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      11.19.09, 03:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • No, I have not let myself go, I get my hair cut and colored every 4 weeks, dress "youthful", etc. But I have had a pretty hard life in many ways and have various enormous stressors, it shows, I have aged about 20 years in looks in the last 8 years. I

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        11.19.09, 03:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I'm really not sure what I can do about it, those injections are so expensive and require upkeep, I look REALLY old, no wrinkles but much worse than that, skin that sags so you'd never guess my age (which isn't young anyway). I just don't want my kids always being asked why their mom is so old, I could deal with it better if it were just my thing, but don't want them to be humiliated.

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          11.19.09, 03:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: every kid is embarrassed of their parents for some reason. i really, really would not worry so much about your kids being humiliated--this would happen even if you were twenty years younger. moms will always be too old, too young, too fat, too thin, obnoxious, too shy... you can't win. how old you look is the least important part of being a good mom!

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            11.19.09, 03:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • thanks. My dh's parents were 21 and 23 when he was born. He said his mom was always talking about how much younger they were than other parents, and he never thought of them that way--they were just his parents. The reality is this is my issue--I really really wanted to have kids younger but it did not happen. IT is definitely something I am extremely sensitive and quite unhappy about, though I try not to let it suck all the joy out of my fabulous dcs. For someone who feels differently, the comment might bite less.

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              11.19.09, 04:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • i'm like your dh's parents--i'm really self-conscious about how young i am! i had my son at 23, and i always feel like people see me as a teenage mom. i also try to tell myself that it's just my issue. for a while i tried to "look" older, but then i decided that i was being silly, and i am who i am. we really can't win :)

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                11.19.09, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Definitely know how you feel! I agree with previous about gray hair -- definitely makes a huge difference. Also, try not to be so upset by a six year old. Though my son asked me on Tuesday why my butt is so big, and I signed up for Weight Watchers,

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      11.19.09, 03:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • well, the point is, others think it, just not everyone says it. I've been getting for years, in amazement, "Are those your kids?" but no one actually ever implied it was at grandma level.

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        11.19.09, 03:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • kids do get more polite as they get older.

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      11.19.09, 03:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • And guess what. It will never stop. You'll only get older. So, relish your age! You are what you are. Just laugh a lot. Wear bright colors. Tell the kids jokes. They'll be so enraptured no-one will think of your age, just how great you are! Good luck. (FYI: DC is 5, I am 51).

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        11.19.09, 03:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm really sorry that happened to you. FWIW, when my MIL comes to visit and takes my 5 YO son out, everyone thinks she is his mom! She is fifty-five. There are tons of granny moms in this city, and you should not feel alone. Just think about all the great things that come with age and that you can give to your dd. There are tons of advantages to being a little older, wiser, and more settled!

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      11.19.09, 03:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I know how you feel. 41 y/o, DD is 5 y/o, hair is still naturally brown. Was knitting and another 5 y/o asked if I was a grandma, because it seems that only grandmas can knit.

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      11.19.09, 03:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np LOL. I suspect the child would have asked a 25 yo she saw knitting the same question.

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        11.19.09, 03:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • totally agree. THis has nothing to do with how you look (and you are not even an old mom by pretty much anyone's standards).

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          11.19.09, 03:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Granny mom here. No one has been so horrible to comment on it yet (sorry about that!). Keep up with your hair color, keep your weight in line and wear at least a bit of makeup. I don't think the mid-30s moms have a clue that I am 43.

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      11.19.09, 03:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • thanks. I am literally considering plastic surgery because of the sagging, but can't afford it, and am afraid of looking totally different and just weird, not younger.

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        11.19.09, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OR - Oops. I actually totally I forgot. I did have my eyelids done a few years ago. That helps a lot. I had one of the top surgeons on the West Coast and I just look the same only 10 years younger. You have to be very very careful about who does the work. I think it was only about $3000. I wouldn't be able to do it in this economy so I'm glad I did it when we were feeling flush. Still, I really do recommend it.

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          11.19.09, 03:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • and i was upset my dd's ballet teach thought i was the sitter....at 39

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      11.19.09, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I've been getting the sitter thing since my first was born. But grandma is a whole other category. It means looking at least 10 years older. Older moms often talk about getting mistaken for the grandma, but I wonder if that is really true. I know quite a few MUCH older fathers who get mistaken, but they are way way older (like 60s) and it is different anyway, I think--not as socially "egregious".

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        11.19.09, 03:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • what exactly is sagging?

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      11.19.09, 04:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • don't fret.. .i had a v. poochy, out of shape, graying, deli counter guy (did i mention that he was gross) ask me if i was grandma. my retort was well, if i am grandma, you must be great grandpa! it really stopped him in his tracks.

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      11.19.09, 04:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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