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  • [-]Have anyone here been to Paris?

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    11.21.09, 10:11 AM [ Flag ]
    • Yes, do you have a question?

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      11.21.09, 10:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • yes.I'm in doubt if I should stay in the right bank (intercontinental le grand hotel, where cafe de la paix is) or close to luxembourg garden in the place de la Sorbonne....what you think? never been..no clue...

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        11.21.09, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • stay in the marais

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      11.21.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I was there a month ago. We stayed at an expensive hotel and I would definitely recommend that you forgo any luxury hotel and find a nice boutique hotel. There are TONS of them, and it's not worth spending your money on a marble lobby when you can be spending it on good food.

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      11.21.09, 10:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: ita. there are tons of boutique hotels in marais district. see if les argonauts is still open. you will have plenty left for good steak frites and wine.

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        11.21.09, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • that's my point also...but for some reason I've got a good deal for the Intercontinental Le Grand (just $100 difference from the boutique one in place de Sorbonne...) so don't know what to do...is the location of the intercontinental (right by the opera) kind of far to walk everywhere else or place the Sorbonne would be closer?

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        11.21.09, 10:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • opera too far from stuff imo.

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          11.21.09, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • it's cross the street to 2nd ar, but because my main focus is not shopping, is EATING I'm worried it will be far..

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            11.21.09, 11:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • metro is super easy there. get a 3 or 4 day pass. i would go boutique but intercont would be chi chi and fun. start worrying about what to wear and eat!!

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              11.21.09, 11:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • I have done my research on that already...LOL! i just can't decide on the hotel..the point would be to take advantage of the chi chi but paying price range of boutique anyway...(the intercontinental $1272 for 3 nights/4 days and the boutique one in sorbonne is$1161 includes breakfast (but not sure if would be good to take advantage to eat everyday in a different cafe...) HELP! lol

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                11.21.09, 11:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • so price diference is a rounding error. flip a coin and move on to planning the fun stuff!

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                  11.21.09, 11:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Go with the boutique. What time do they stop serving breakfast? Because of the time change, we missed breakfast hours at cafes on many days.

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                  11.21.09, 11:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • TIME CHANGE?? it is paris - set your alarm and get going. no time to waste! you can sleep when you get home or on the plane. If you take night flight, try to sleep on plane. then stay up the whole day on arrival - until 9 or so. you will be fine.

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                    11.21.09, 11:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • You do have to get some sleep at some point, but we got a good tip from a guy in the elevator when we got there, just take a 2-3 hour nap that first day, even if you didn't sleep on the plane, and that will re-charge you enough so you don't lose that first day.

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                      11.21.09, 11:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • well, i go to london 2 times a month for work. i sleep on plane (3-4 hours) and stay up all next day. am fit as a fiddle second day - wake up at normal time as in US. a 2-3 hour nap won't hurt too much i guess, just don't sleep the day away! another good trick is to change your watch while waiting at airport. your brain will start thinking in CET.

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                        11.21.09, 11:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I would pick near Place de la Sorbonne personally. It's a much more interesting area. We stayed across in the Tulleries area and spent absolutely no time in that particular area at all, except to hit the Louvre.

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          11.21.09, 11:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]SO if G&T was created just to bring local kids back to public it sounds to me like a marketing ploy without any substance behind it.

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    11.21.09, 09:47 AM [ Flag ]
    • It was at the time. It was created to make UMC white parents feel comfortable sending their dcs to schools that were not performing well and were predominantly filled with kids out of district and catchment. And as more and more kids have gone to the G&Ts and the population of the UWS has changed those schools have changed. 9 and 166 could easily phase out G&T at this point and be fine.

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      11.21.09, 09:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I don't think that is fair even though I'm not UMC white. I think it's great for smart kids in poor nabes with zoned schools that cannot accommodate these kids. Giving them an opportunity to district G&T is great and often the only option these kids have. The only sad thing is G&T cutoff should be higher and curriculum should be accelerated. With 90% cutoff is ridiculous.

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        11.21.09, 10:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • seems so silly to me, like an entire program created to feed off of the competitive nature of adults with regard to their children but based in nothing real.

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        11.21.09, 10:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • after thinking long and hard about it ita (and we tested and qualified for g&t, so no sour grapes). a school is only as good is its peer group, so the kool-aid drinkers say. nothing else matters. the teachers can suck, the parents can be minimally involved, the fundraising can be below where it chould be, the commute can be 1.5 hours each way but as long as the "peer group" is great, the school is great. the funny thing is that with a 90% cutoff at districtwides the peer group may be virtually the same as that at a top gen ed anyway.

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          11.21.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • sounds like you have a good local school and you are only thinking about your particular situation. there are many families who either get a G&T spot or have to move to a decent school district. In our school G&T families are mostly doing all the fund raising an the after school program management. If not for the G&T this school would be another terrible school. Now since the G&T has been there a while it is becoming a decent option for the non G&T classes as well. I believe that the DOE is trying to open G&T programs in new schools to try to get the parents more involved and get these schools to improve.

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            11.21.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • my dc is in K in a local g&t on UWS. most parents are very down to earth and the children are more "interested in learning/focused" then most of the children we had in our expensive and popular nursery school.

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          11.21.09, 10:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • While that may be partially true, it doesn't mean that there isn't a need for real G&T programs (though maybe not with a 90th percentile threshold, sibling policy and lame-ass version of OLSAT as the entry requirement).

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      11.21.09, 10:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Seems like most credible public G&T programs have higher cut-offs, use different assessment tools, usually SB-V, often include on-site visit, and start in later elementary school, therefore can use school performance over time as another criteria.

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      11.21.09, 10:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I don't think it was a clever marketing scheme, I think it was legislation. Most U.S. states have mandated that school districts MUST provide a G&T program for a certain fixed percentage of kids.

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      11.21.09, 11:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]A modest proposal: Since the MS44 building seems to have a bit of room, Anderson should take non-"gifted" students in one or two additional classrooms on a lottery basis or as 87 overflow. It would become a school with a heralded gifted program, but not an exclusively "gifted" school. That would relieve some of D3 overcrowding, but still allow the programs geared to its students to continue, while also creating opportunities for other students in the region. Doesn't it make sense to use the space for D3 kids? What harm could there be to the school or to present students to have a few classes each grade that are not in the gifted program? (signed, an unaffected parent with child in another school - not 87 or Anderson)

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    11.21.09, 08:14 AM [ Flag ]
    • Why would you want tiers in a school which currently doesn't have any? Does that even make sense?

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      11.21.09, 08:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Not a public mom I think the whole premise of the g&t is for the parents to feel their dcs are special or smarter and to gear their entire learning experience to that premise. To put them in normal classes or put normal kids in their classes would create a lot of hullaballoo from those competitive parents.

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      11.21.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Do you think the same way about parents who have their children in private schools, esp the ones in "TT" schools?

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        11.21.09, 08:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Think what, that they are all overly competitive? Yes. All parents are about whatever they can find that they feel is better or best for their children.

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          11.21.09, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Think that they need to feel their dcs are special or smarter and to gear their entire learning experience to that premise.

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            11.21.09, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Yes,I do. If you took parents from Spence and told them Hewitt would be joining three days a week they would demand a refund from the school

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              11.21.09, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • So then what exactly are you saying? Only parents who send their child to zoned schools all their educational lives (only suburban parents, I guess) are normal?

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                11.21.09, 08:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • It was obvious from the moment I posted, perhaps because I send my dc to private I don't know, that you have been trying to start a fight which I don't understand because I am not making a judgment about public or private I am commenting on the social behavior of parents when it comes to their children.

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                  11.21.09, 08:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • Right and my question is - how far does that judgment go? If it extends to every parent in NYC, what's the point?

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                    11.21.09, 08:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • Question to me or in general, because I have already stated I am not making a judgment about schools but about social behavior of every parents across the globe. if it isn't school its dance class or piano lessons or baseball teams. Ever parents wants to believe their dc is getting the best or is in a group that is labeled 'best' whether that is a school, a county's best baseball team, lessons with the best dance coach etc.

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                      11.21.09, 08:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • So you are saying this about every parent "across the globe" but just framing it within a statement re G&T parents. OK.

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                        11.21.09, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • lol. You really want a fight ps mom don't you? I said nothing of the kind. Don't you have a dh around to torture?

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                          11.21.09, 08:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Actually, no, I don't want a fight. Just trying to clarify whether you were specifically commenting on just NYC G&T parents or modern-day parents across the board. So why am I wrong with my post above?

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                          11.21.09, 08:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • No offense but how many times do I have to say I am commenting on parents in general? I think its been three times!

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                          11.21.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Out of curiosity, why did you say above that "I said nothing of the kind" then? I think it's comments like that which are confusing.

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                          11.21.09, 10:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • WHAT is wrong with you lady she is not saying that!

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                  11.21.09, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • LOL. But the Hewitt moms, who would have LOVED for their dds to have been accepted to Spence, would be thrilled and would pay extra.

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                11.21.09, 09:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • But then the Hewitt moms would be MORTIFIED if Hewitt made one class for, say, outer borough public school children.

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                  11.21.09, 10:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • How would you know if your dcs don't go to G&Ts? It's like public school parents on UB saying that private school A is full of snobby, entitled kids - how would they know?

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        11.21.09, 08:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I am making a comment on parents and their capacity to compete when it comes to their children and always wanting their child to be in the group that is positively singled out. Not the school or the program. If you think parents who send their dcs to public want that any less than parents who send dcs to B, S, and C you are kidding yourself.

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          11.21.09, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • They need to put another MS in there. D3 overcrowding is reaching MS very very soon and there aren't enough spaces by a long shot to place all the kids that won't make it to Delta. Or maybe they can expand Computer School.

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      11.21.09, 08:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • There is: West Prep MS started this year. It's going to grow as MS 44 is being phased out. Not sure about it's target enrollment though once all the grades are in place.

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        11.21.09, 08:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • West Prep is very small school, and I don't think they are planning to grow it other than adding higher grades, so there is still net loss of MS seats as IS44 is being phased out. Where are the kids that were to go there going to go for MS?

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          11.21.09, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • MS 44 itself is pretty small at this point in terms of number of children per grade. There have been several newer D3 MS options created in the past few years. The problem is that aside from Center (yes, I know it starts in 5th), Computer, Delta, Mott Hall and the Columbia Secondary School, few feel that the other options offer an acceptable education. Also, relatively few of the options are in the southern end of the District.

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            11.21.09, 08:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I think that that's interesting re D3. The better elementary schools are in the southern end but the better MSs are more uptown.

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              11.21.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Conservatively, over half of the kids at Anderson are from D3 anyway (so maybe they could just all leave and add to the crowding at their home schools). This meme you people are floating, that Anderson is not a D3 school and should just keep moving like some hobo circus train is going to come back and bite you in the ass. And why does 87 need to bleed across the street? maybe because half the kids in that building are not zoned for it? How about this? no more out-of-catchment kids at PS87 and the Trump buildings go to PS191, like they were supposed to in the first place.

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      11.21.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • This is absolutely not true. Used to be true and may still be in upper grades but not in the lower ones.

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        11.21.09, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • No, true for the lower grades also. Are you looking at a directory? Why would you try to dispute this?

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          11.21.09, 09:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • While I understand your premise on a local level, once you look at it on a citywide or even borough-wide level it doesn't make sense, given that many, many more children qualify for G&T than there are seats available. The bottom line is that there needs to be more elementary school seats across the board than there are at present.

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      11.21.09, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I think the premise is to add seats where possible as priority, with g & t (which was created initially to bring local families back to public schools) as less of a priority. Look at the hysteria created unnecessarily (NY Times today on test prep). If Anderson were not a citywide school on 77th street, there would be that many more K spots for D3 kids available. The proposal retains the integrity of what Anderson has created for its kids over the decades, but allows the process of allocating school space for local kids.

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        11.21.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I find it amusing but not surprising that no one was looking at OShea last year before Anderson was forced to move. And, again with the "local kids"--if you're talking catchment, half of 87 shouldn't be there either.

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          11.21.09, 09:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I am so sick of the out of catchement 87 BS. they have so many out of catchment kids because the DOE handed them to 87 without a choice. The current 2nd grade had 65 OOC spots via D3 lottery. The current 1st grade had 36. The current K had none but the principal decided to let in OOC siblings because she believed it was the right thing to do that late in the year. It made one K class. They could've done 8 K classes with 25-26 kids in a class but instead have 9 with 21 kids per class. Some kids get in OOC through the CTT classes or no child left behind and the school has no say in that.

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            11.21.09, 09:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • They happily accepted OOC kids for years, in order to "build" the school. I understand, and sympathize. It's a bit misleading to say the DOE forced them in through the lottery the last couple of years. The lottery was simply to replace the "apply to individual schools and get in because the admin gets to decide which families they are going to give a spot to" method that was in place all over D3 for many many years.

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              11.21.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • True. But actually in 2007 the K classes expanded to 7 because the DOE gave PS 87 65 lottery seats rather than the 40 the school thought they could fit. The DOE has grossly underestimated the in catchment surge across lower D3. They also have done no accurate population prediction because they lump the district as a whole. PS 145 is half empty but no one from the W. 80s, 70s or 60s wants to go up there. What they should do is zone the trump buildings for 191 and then see what happens.

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                11.21.09, 10:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • ITA. There was a lawsuit by some parents (of infants!) in one of those buildings to stop that last year--I guess they felt the insult of going to 191 was too much to bear on top of the injury of having paid top dollar to live in Donald Trump's dorm rooms.

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                  11.21.09, 10:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If I may - to redirect conversation to subject-at-hand - True, MS44 space, if it exists, should be considered toward the imminent danger of middleschool chaos once the 2007 K kids reach 6th grade. But also -- the growing hysteria about gifted is just so out-of-whack with reality. And prevents other schools like 191, 84, 9, from really blossoming into the kind of sought-after institution like 199 and 87 (where they don't believe in the idea of "gifted")

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      11.21.09, 10:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Anderson is a great program for the G&T. What is the point in expending it as a non G&T? There are a lot of families in D3 with 99% dc who do not get space there. It makes sense to keep it as G&T perhaps giving the extra class D3 preference is a good idea for overcrowding.

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      11.21.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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