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  • [-]When do sibling applicants hear about kindergarten? Not sure that my ds will get in and very nervous.

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    11.20.09, 05:20 PM [ Flag ]
    • If you applied through Early Notification then you hear sometime in December or January. If you're so nervous, what's the matter? Why can't you talk candidly with the AD. If you're nervous, maybe the school isn't the right fit for the next child. I have three dc in three different schools. Sure it's a lot of work, but I care that they have the right place for themselves. I get so annoyed with selfish parents who just want expedience and don't look at other schools for second, third and fourth kids. Did you even bother to apply to another school or two? Take the tour?

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      11.20.09, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I hear that schools are trying to admit more only children from older parents so they won't have so many difficult sibling cases.

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        11.20.09, 05:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • The dumbest kids in my ds class are siblings. Schools should take kids who merit the spots and not stupid siblings. Would help for development too.

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          11.20.09, 05:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Dinging sibs is surely *not* good for development! It just makes families angry.

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            11.20.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Yes, it does not do much for community spirit...

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              11.20.09, 05:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Better to be dinged at the start than counseled out after a few years.

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                11.20.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I highly doubt many of the dinged sibs at most of these schools would end up counseled out. Maybe they'd be average or below average students, but they'd probably do just as well as many of the kids there. I really think it's more about making room for new kids they really want.

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                  11.20.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Our #3 was dinged, with 99erbs, 2nd round hunter scores, and with what our psd was such a good school report, she did not think it was worth applying elsewhere. So we didn't, and ended up having to scramble. Sometimes there is just not enough space, we were not big donors, just kind of unimportant people.

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                  11.20.09, 05:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • OMG I can't even imagine how upset you must have been, assuming this post is real (and I really want to believe it isn't).

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                    11.20.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • Sadly, it is real, and while dc is very happy now at another school, I feel unwelcome at the school now, and I used to be very involved. I feel like they do not like us, and it is hurtful for younger one to now come along to school functions etc. Raises questions I do not want him to deal with at such a young age.

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                      11.20.09, 05:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • wow... that is a really awful position that the school put your family in!! I just hope it works out better for your 3rd in the long run. I can totally see how it now colours the experience for you/your elder two DCs too. We are applying out this year with our 1st but your post makes me very nervous for #2/3 in a couple of years!

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                        11.20.09, 08:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Sounds like crap. Perhaps you are young with many offspring.

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          11.20.09, 05:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • only children from older parents often come with all kind of other issues.

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          11.20.09, 05:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Did you even....why so aggressive?

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        11.20.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • There are so many sibs in my ds class that there is barely room for any new families in the school. Agree that sibs tend to be the weakest in the class and the parents get really clannish.

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        11.20.09, 05:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]help me out -- I had a discussion with someone (who doesn't have dcs) who said she can foresee a time when women would choose voluntary surrogacy (paying someone else to have their db) instead of carrying a db themselves. That it's another change to how technology becomes a part of our lives and how we try to control/preserve our bodies in different ways. I just don't think efficiency would ever outweigh wanting to be pregnant, if you can do it (for most people -- of course, there are exceptions). What do you think?

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    11.20.09, 03:39 PM [ Flag ]
    • I can foresee it, far not the road and for a handful of women, but once it starts the practice could grow. And I say this, even though the thought appalls me.

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      11.20.09, 03:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • see, logically, I understood why she would see it that way. but after having been pregnant, i can't imagine anyone suggesting that efficiency/preserving your body could possibly be considered a parallel choice.

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        11.20.09, 03:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • as someone who had a difficult time getting PG, it was very important for me to feel the pregnancy myself and to go through that experience at least once in my life. Maybe it will become more common for some but it may still remain a natural desire for many.

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      11.20.09, 03:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I do not think it would ever become routine. Yes, a very small group of women would choose this out of need or desire. But most women take pleasure in pregnancy on some level and it is a biological urge similar to sex.

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      11.20.09, 03:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • that's what I feel, too -- there is a sense of pleasure, and almost a primal desire. But she suggested, couldn't the idea of what's pleasurable change? How do we know it's pleasurable before having gone through it?

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        11.20.09, 03:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I truly think it's similar to sex rather than plastic surgery - an innate desire, rather than a superficial/convenient act.

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          11.20.09, 03:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • That's what I was telling her -- that it's hard to understand until you are on the threshold of being able to be pregnant. Why do we want it? Because of what others are telling you? Because of how we've been raised? Because it's primal/innate? I don't know, but it's powerful, and ITA with you -- I can't imagine efficiency/beauty/convenience is what would dominate.

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            11.20.09, 03:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • eros

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        11.20.09, 06:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Well I really hated being pregnant the first time. I am pregnant again now, and it is much easier. I can't see ever paying somebody else to carry my child, but that first pregnancy did give me some insight into why women might choose that option!

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      11.20.09, 03:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I've been pregnant twice and hated both pregnancies. There was no part of it that I enjoyed. I would definitely be one of those women who would pay someone to be my surrogate. Pregnancy is an amazing experience for some and torture to others. I don't think this would be mainstream, but could be a good alternative for some people.

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      11.20.09, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • But would you have done it BEFORE getting pregnant? In other words, you know now that you had a horrible experience (after having gone through it). How would you make the decision before knowing you personally had it bad?

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        11.20.09, 04:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Honestly, I would have gone the surro route even before I got pregnant. Always wanted kids but hated having no control over my body for 12 months (pregnancy + recovery). I would have to know that the surro method would ensure a healthy environment for my baby.

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          11.20.09, 04:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • interesting! And you would feel like you could trust a surrogate to be a healthier environment than your own body?

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            11.20.09, 04:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I always dreamed that there would be a machine that would simulate a womb and I would pay to rent it and come visit to "see" the baby. I know it sounds silly.

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              11.20.09, 04:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np- but you are the anomaly, most women love pregnancy first time. Only the ones with body problems would not want to get pregnant. Second time is a different matter

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            11.20.09, 04:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I wonder if there is a constituency of professional women who would want to do it this way too--less downtime.

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              11.20.09, 04:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • np: I also don't like being pregnant and I've had no complications with both of my pregnancies. I just don't like it and don't even get me started on giving birth. Having said that I can't imagine using a surrogate.

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              11.20.09, 06:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • i'm with you OR. two awful pregnancies. i suppose I would have tried it the first time, but definitely not the second (even though that one was slightly more bearable). if i could do this i may consider a third, but never want to be pregnant again. if the surrogate could be my husband than i'm first to sign up!

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            11.20.09, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I agree and feel the same way about woman who chose c-sections instead of regular birth when their is no medical need for one. Some woman said that they wanted it because they wanted their baby born on a certain day or b/c they didn't want to stretch out 'down there.' There is too much stock in vanity today despite the fact that woman have been having babies naturally since the world began. I don't like woman who seem proud of c-sections b/c of artificial reasons or concerns about themselves. Of course if there is a REAL medical reason than okay but 75% of the people I know that have ever had one had either vanity or a scheduling conflict that resulted in them wanting a c-section.

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      11.20.09, 04:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I disagree that elective c-sections are along the slippery slope to on-demand surrogacy. C-sections, even when elected for what you consider trivial reasons, do not involve using another woman, who often has much less money and many fewer options, to gestate your baby. I hated hated hated being pregnant, but would never choose the emotional complications surrogacy evolves. A scheduled c-section, on the other hand, was absolutely what was best for my baby and me. And stretching out 'down there' had nothing to do with my decision.

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        11.20.09, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: I'm glad to read that other women don't like being pregnant. I always hear such glowing stories of pregnancy. I not a fan, but I kind of felt alone in that opinion.

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          11.20.09, 06:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • how old are you? All my friends and I were 35+ when pregnant; children dearly wanted. Very few -- even the yoga divas-- pretended that pregnancy wasn't ten months of nausea, swelling, and flatulence. I thought uncomfortable pregnancies might be a symptom of 'advanced maternal age', but my mother told me all her pregnancies, starting at age 24, were similar. So maybe my circle of friends are more honest/complaining than many . . . .

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            11.20.09, 06:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I'm 35 and pregnant. Was 30 with 1st pregnancy. I know women my same age and they seem to like it. Honestly I didn't have difficult pregnancies, but still don't seem to like or love it like some people I know. I like knowing I'm going to have a baby and I'm very thankful for my kids. But that glowing wonderful I love every moment of this look that some people have I just can't relate to.

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              11.20.09, 07:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I had two C-sections for medical reasons. The first was after waiting 20 days past due date, being induced, 48 hours of labor then haveing a c-section and giving birth to a 10 lb baby. I'm 5;3" and 110 lbs. Damage was irreversible of carrying such a large child so late. My story is not that uncommon, and I wish could have opted for an elective C-section the week before due date because I knew it would go like that. I'm guessing you had relatively easy births so

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        11.20.09, 06:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Wow -- I'm surprised your OB didn't suggest a c-section, given your size and the baby's size. . .

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          11.20.09, 07:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Actually I did not. My birth was not easy. I did have a small baby but was 3 days late and after 9 hours of labor had only gotten to 2 cm. Not only that but my baby was only 6 pounds and I had a 4th degree tear that required 4 sets of stitches inside and out. I was in pain for days and unable to walk or get in and out of bed by myself. However, I would do it all over again and plan to have the next one vaginally too. Don't you read the responses carefully b/c I stated "of course if there is a REAL medical reason that is okay" I am not taking about people who actually have reasons I am talking specifically about people who do it for vanity or selfish reasons, this does not apply to every person who has ever had one.

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          11.20.09, 08:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think there is a lot of research yet to be done on the impact of the mother (or surrogate) on the fetus' development. I don't think a baby's personality is solely genetics, i think it must be affected to some extent by maternal behaviors as well. Since I am a control freak, I would want the baby in me so I would have full assurance that the baby was in a good environment at all times. But i have thought a LOT about surrogacy...i want 2 kids close in age, and it would be much nicer if i had 10 months to recuperate with my hubby and child, rather than getting immediately preg again. the only other thing stopping me is trying to explain to my MIL why she couldn't come to the hospital...i know...but if she didn't know, and i completely truste...

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      11.20.09, 09:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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