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  • [-]I understand why women who had natural births feel that it's an accomplishment. I had an epidural with my 1st and had a great experience. Completely planned on doing that again with #2. Unfortunately, he came very quickly and I went drug-free. The pain is ridiculous, but it's all mental. It could have been a very zen experience where I was learning to control mind over matter, which is what I think those who know they'll do it drug-free try to accomplish. Instead, I was screaming my face off. I give kudos to anyone who would do that willingly.

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    11.18.09, 04:04 PM [ Flag ]
    • I had a similar experience, my first I went natural because of how quick it was and I was definitly in pain, and letting everyone around me know. The second time I knew going in that I would more than likely not be able to get any drugs and tried to focus on how to prepare myself to stay calm and though it was still incredibly painfull it was a million times better!! Now due with number 3 and trying to prepare myself again.

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      11.18.09, 04:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i still think most people who do that willingly feel like they have something to prove. maybe not all of them, but alot of the women i know do it for that reason for sure.

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      11.18.09, 04:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • agree

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        11.18.09, 04:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • People who go to certain schools have something to prove, so do athletes, musicians and rock climbers. With childbirth, there is a satisfaction in achieving that and many women have natural births because they feel its better for them and their dc.

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        11.18.09, 05:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • An OB/GYN once told me that "natural childbirth" is v birth -- with or without drugs. She got annoyed with people discounting v birth (with drugs) as NOT being natural. So let's say natural childbirth with or without drugs, and not knock women who decide to use the drugs. Why in the world would you not choose to use this medical advance if you could? Of course, some situations don't allow for it, and I feel for women who have to go without. God bless you.

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          11.18.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • why would we choose it? Because it's better for the baby and better for the mother.

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            11.18.09, 06:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • nope. try again. or is this what makes you feel superior to everyone else on the planet?

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              11.18.09, 06:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Sorry the facts make you feel inferior.

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                11.18.09, 06:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • sorry your "facts" have no basis.

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                  11.18.09, 07:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • Drugs make their way to the baby, which cause a sedative effect. This has been proven. Why are you so intent on ignoring facts?

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                    11.19.09, 11:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • actually, that hasn't been proven at all, and i defy you to post a link to a study that shows otherwise.

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                      11.19.09, 04:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • The website of the American Pregnancy Association, the natl org. or OBGYNs, enumerates multiple risks of epidurals on the following website, including the following summary of available research, which acknowledges that research is "somewhat" ambiguous, it also notes that babies of epidural mothers have respiratory distress, bf'ing difficulty, and fetal heart rate variability. " Though research is somewhat ambiguous, most studies suggest some babies will have trouble "latching on" which can lead to breastfeeding difficulties. Other studies suggest that the baby may experience respiratory depression, fetal malpositioning; and an increase in fetal heart rate variability, which may increase the need for forceps, vacuum, cesarean deliveries and...

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                        11.19.09, 05:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • http://www.americanpregnancy.org/labornbirth/epidural.html

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                        11.19.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Why do you have to talk down to women who choose it? I have had 3 natural childbirths because I had an epidural with the first (I have 4 kids) and I *really* didn't like how it felt. I also feel my recoveries were faster with the natural chidlbirths. Have I proven something? Am I smug? NO. But it worked for me and I don't like your attitude of 'why in the world...' as if anyone who chooses med-free birth is dysfunctional.

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            11.19.09, 04:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA - i had an epi with #1 and it was a really nice, peaceful experience, no epi with #2 and i felt totally out of control and delirious with pain and as a result don't have a single pleasant memory of my sons birth

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        11.18.09, 05:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Eh, some do, but some don't. I would seriously consider it only bc I have a terrible reaction to drugs & my mother got permanent nerve damage from her last epi, so I'm scared shitless of that. I am not an earth-mother or anything like that, I just like the idea of quicker recovery time & no needle in my spine.

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        11.19.09, 07:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i don't think it's an accomplishment because you don't gain anything from it. you can get a perfectly healthy baby with an epidural. it's like holding your hand over an open flame without flinching. is that an accomplishment? not in my book.

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      11.18.09, 04:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I feel like once you get an epidural it invites many more interventions by the MDs, most of which I feel are unnecessary and benefit the Drs more than the mother or the baby (does anyone really know effects of all these procedures on babies? I don't think they've been well studied, personally - and I'm not sure that a decent study is even possible). And result in the 30%+ c-section rate, which is definitely NOT in the mother's best interest.

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        11.18.09, 05:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Epidurals can lead to many other complications. Our bodies were made to give birth and we undergo a multitude of chemical changes when we give birth naturally which are beneficial for the mom and the baby. Its not an ego thing, but yes an accomplishment none the less.

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        11.18.09, 05:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Cancer is a natural process also. Does that mean we should endure it without chemo or pain control since that's what nature intended?

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          11.18.09, 05:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • NP: if it made it more likely that you would survive cancer w/o complications, then maybe yes. However, that's really not the case, is it? Chemo will cure cancer that would otherwise be fatal. Pain Mngmt will not make it worse/affect outcome. Can you really not see the difference between birth and cancer?

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            11.18.09, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • are you saying you have evidence to support the idea that NOT getting an epidural increases neonatal survival? the "it's natual" argument is really one of the silliest and weakest around. you want no epi, go for it. but don't try to imply it's somehow inherently better because "it's natual."

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              11.18.09, 05:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • YES, of course! It's a medical intervention, and as ALL medical interventions, it has risks. One of them is increase in c-section rates, which is a serious surgical procedure, that has its own death rate, etc. Others include other side effects. Not saying that it's never worth it to have an epi (or a c-section for that matter), just that it has risks and I am not convinced that for a non-high-risk delivery these risks are justified.

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                11.18.09, 05:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • It is an accomplishment - huge one. But it's totally an ego thing.

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          11.18.09, 05:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Periods are natural, too, doesn't mean I'll give up BCP.

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          11.18.09, 05:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • this is just propaganda perpetuated by the pro-natural birth types. it's simply not true.

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          11.18.09, 05:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • And your unsubstantiated opinion on an anonymous board will change my mind?

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            11.18.09, 05:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: that epidurals lead to many other complications? that is true! i had an epidural. but in doing so, i recognized that there are trade-offs. for me, the pain was so bad that i chose the epidural. but epidurals do up the chances that you will have to get a c-section, which is major surgery after all.

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            11.18.09, 05:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • ^^the reason why they HAVE to do fetal monitoring after the epidural is because of the heightened risk of problems for the infant. it is serious medicine and some infants do have bad reactions!

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              11.18.09, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • no, they don't. the only increased risk is an instrumental delivery, and even this doesn't control for the possibility that the women who opted for epidural pain control did so because their labor was more painful related to a predisposing likelihood of instrumental delivery.

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              11.18.09, 05:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • this study properly controlled for whether or not studies randomized epidurals and found a 2 fold risk of c-sections for those given epidurals: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1481670/

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                11.18.09, 05:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • single studies are relatively meaningless. even the repeat cochrane (gold standard) in 2005 showed no increased rate of cs.

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                  11.18.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Ugh. This is NOT a study. It's a statistical data rehash. If you don't understand what you are posting, please don't post. There should be a license required to access pubmed.

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                  11.18.09, 05:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • a statistical reanalysis is indeed a study. if you don't understand what a study is, please don't post.

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                    11.18.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • Obtuse

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                      11.18.09, 05:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • np: actually, you sound kind of arrogant and obtuse. if you have a point to make, please make it. but it sounds like you have no real rebuttal to whatever study that poster put up a link to right now.

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                        11.18.09, 05:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Do your own research - assuming you actually know how. I have neither the time nor energy to do a lit search, then explain stats and study design to you. If you can't do this yourself and want to engage in discussions about evidence-based medicine, perhaps go back to school to learn how.

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                          11.18.09, 06:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • NNP: Oh my gosh, i think i remember this poster from a breastfeeding discussion a couple weeks back. Somebody posted all these links about how breastfeeding hasn't been shown to have any benefits, and she kept telling telling everyone to "do their own research" when they asked her to support her view (that it has lots of benefits). Ask her to post a link! She will keep saying it over and over, no matter how many people confront her. It's kind of fun.

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                          11.18.09, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • oooh you're nasty! that poster just asked you to provide a real response... which you have yet to do. insults don't really count!

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                          11.18.09, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • nope, that poster was me and this is the first I'm posting on this thread. PS - Breastfeeding does have lots of benefits...look it up! :-)

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                          11.18.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • it probably does, but it is hard to demonstrate statistically!

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                          11.18.09, 06:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • LOL, everyone has joined the discussion.

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                          11.18.09, 06:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • yeah, I guess us crazy breasfeeding, natural childbirth having moms just sound the same...

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                          11.18.09, 06:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • When you have nothing to say, best to call names huh? Very mature!

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                        11.18.09, 06:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • NP: I don't understand why you think that is not a study. There are plenty of other, newer studies whose findings contradict theirs. But it is indeed a study! Why so rude? It makes you look ignorant.

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                    11.18.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • and what are effects of instrumental delivery on a child? does anyone know? also, there are many many other side effects of epidurals (including as severe as potential paralysis for the mom)

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                11.18.09, 05:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • the risk of instrumental deliveries are significant. however, it is nearly impossible to control for pain/epidural usage and any preexisting L&D issues which would impact a laboring woman's decision to have the epidural *independent* of the increased risk of an instrumental delivery.

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                  11.18.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • any intervention carries risks (including instrumental delivery).

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                  11.18.09, 05:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • NP: please, prove me wrong if you can, but I believe that we currently don't have any sort of real handle on the risks associated with epidurals. can you link to a study that has randomized them? all of the studies that i am familiar with randomize timing of the epidural (early vs late) but not epidural itself. so we don't know what the risks are. i think it is silly to assume that there are none, however. any kind of intervention is associated with some sort of risks--the are just poorly understood in this case, so it is hard to balance pros/cons.

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                11.18.09, 06:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I agree, and thanks for stating this so clearly. I thoroughly believe that women need to do their own reading/assessment and make their own decision. Its not clearcut, and obviously there are circumstances that absolutely necessitate epis and c-secs, but go into your labor having formed some of your own opinions.(Posted above and below but not to the "study" debate.)

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                  11.18.09, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • there are studies comparing epidural to opiate pain relief that show no difference in cs. but my point was essentially the same as yours - that the risks are not conclusively proven. it's ethically difficult to randomly assign people to pain control vs no pain control regardless of their preference so i doubt we will ever have a conclusive answer.

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                  11.18.09, 06:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • yes our bodies are made to give birth but they were made to give birth to babies that were significantly smaller than the babies being born today, so if we can all have 6lb babies we should be fine but our bodies were not made to give birth to 8lb+ babies

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          11.18.09, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • huh? where are you getting this natural weight cut-off info? the birth weight that people can handle is usually related to their size. taller women can usually handle larger babies. as heights have increased, it makes sense that birthweights have also increased. there is nothing unnatural about 8 lb babies (except for in the cases of gestational diabetes, etc.)

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            11.18.09, 05:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • NP: And honestly anatomy varies even across the size of the mom. I gave birth naturally to an 8 lb, 4 oz baby. Non-pregant size is/was 5'4" and 125-ish lbs.

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              11.18.09, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • agreed. i gave birth to an almost 9 lber and i am 5'2"!

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                11.18.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • 10.2 lbs, im 5 foot 1 and 125 lbs. No one thought I could do it, pregnant with number 2 now, he is going to be at least 8 according to the doctors now! I dont think height/size have anything to do with whether you can do it naturally or not, lets call it what it is, if you dont want to feel pain, get an epi, no big deal but jsut because we want natural childbirth because its what every woman on earth did before an epi was available, doesnt make me some kind of martyr.

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                  11.18.09, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • but every woman died at age 40. is that what you want? oh, and i'm assuming women with lots of junk in the trunk and hips the width of an airplane hangar can deliver any size baby with no issues.

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                    11.18.09, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • how quick is quick -- curious

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      11.18.09, 04:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Quick for me was standing at the mall and having my water break, no contractions, and holding my baby less than 2 hours later. I only had about a half hour of contractions that I could feel. I am the OR

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        11.18.09, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: Quick for me was thinking that I might be in labor - contractions were very, very mild. Decided to drive to the hospital and was in L&D for less than 40 minutes before DB was born. Whole labor was about 90 minutes.

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        11.18.09, 06:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: quick for me was 1 hour between water breaking and delivery.

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        11.19.09, 10:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Having seen women who have given birth naturally and those who have planned natural but gone for epis, I think their experience of labor is completely different. People have different pain threshholds, physically and psychologically. I have seen women literally pass out from pain during labor and women who were not in excruciating pain. It is the women who are lucky enough to not have an unbearable labor experience who were generally willing and able to go natural.

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      11.18.09, 05:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Oh really?! We did it because it did not really hurt that much. Riiiight..got it.

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        11.18.09, 06:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: The OR here is nuts. Spoken like someone who has never had natural childbirth. PS - how on earth does someone know they are "lucky" enough to have a "bearable" experience if it's their first and decide to go natural, like I did?

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          11.18.09, 06:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: i get or's point. not sure if i agree, but i get it. i'm not really sure what point you are trying to make beyond proving the cliche that you DID in fact have something to prove and DO want that medal for not having the epidural.

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          11.18.09, 06:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • That was pretty funny wasn't it??? lol. Because let me just say that having my 9 pound 10 ounce baby without any meds hurt like all holy hell!!! (but I'd still do it again).

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          11.18.09, 06:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: uh yeah. Having my baby drug free hurt like nothing I've ever thought possible. But I can't wait to do it again. And I'm one of the people who posted on accomplishments post that it was one of my top 2 accomplishments in life. I worked hard, mentally and physically, to prepare and to achieve that goal.

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            11.18.09, 06:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OR: It was not meant as a personal insult to state that people have diffent experiences of pain during labor. I'm curious why this offends you and makes you feel like you need to defend the idea that you were in pain? Does the fact that you suffered have anything to do with why you chose a natural childbirth? You don't need to prove that you endured pain to be confident of your decision. None of the women who made the choice with me to have a natural birth ever cited a desire to suffer as a reason why, but of course you are entitled to your own motivations. Anyway, I have been at hundreds of births and have 3 dc, one natural (not by choice). There is no doubt in my mind that labor can be completely different in terms of pain for me personal...

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          11.18.09, 06:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ^completely different in terms of pain for me personally amongst my births, and for all the women I've seen go thru it. There is no right or better choice and suffering more doesn't validate your choice. You don't need validation for a perfectly reasonable decision. My point was that there are factors at play beyond just desire when it comes to natural/epidural. Some women truly have an unbearable pain experience: unbearable as in they could not withstand the pain and needed pain relief available regardless of their ideal birth plan (similar to an extreme example of anyone will eventually reach a pain limit if subject to torture long enough). I just believe that a lot of labor and delivery is beyond our control and no women should feel defe...

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            11.18.09, 06:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • ^and no women should feel defensive, guilty, or too proud of any choice. As with all of life, it's part choice and part fate/God's will/luck (whatever your spiritual belief).

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              11.18.09, 06:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • oh give it up...if you're a nurse or a doula, you don't sound very empathetic.

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            11.18.09, 06:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • OR: Neither. Supporting a woman's choice to have a natural birth or epidural is the easy part. The challenge is assuaging the guilt of a laboring woman who was certain she would do natural, but simply cannot endure the pain any longer and needs pain relief. Unfortunately, women, their spouse, and their families often put unhealthy and unfair pressures on women to "succeed" at a natural birth. The biggest challenge is helping a woman realize that a healthy birth is a successful one, regardless of how they get there.

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              11.18.09, 07:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • clap, clap, clap!

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                11.18.09, 07:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • who's family or dh pushed natural childbirth? God my family thought I'd need a C bc the baby was getting big and I'm tiny = they were right. They also didn't care whether I bf or not. Just happy I'm I had a healthy baby who was getting fed

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                11.19.09, 09:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • WTH does this have to do with those of us who are proud of having a natural childbirth though? Simply because some can't/don't, we can't feel proud?

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                11.19.09, 08:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Sometimes interventions with epi etc can actually benefit the baby greatly - quicker birth etc

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      11.18.09, 05:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I understand too. I had an epidural because it hurt so bad! I can't imagine having the strength to go through that without drugs, and for normal births the outcomes are better. So hats off to the moms who can do it!

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      11.18.09, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I had two natural births and one (my third) with an epidural. The epidural felt surreal and freaky - how little pain there was during hard labor - but I felt physically better so much faster after the natural births. I have a high pain threshhold though and had reasonablt quick and uncomplicated labors. If I were doing it again I would definitely do natural.

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      11.18.09, 06:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: I did like how much better I felt after the natural birth. I could have walked out of the hospital right after delivery. With the epidural, I was knocked out and in incredible pain once it wore off.

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        11.18.09, 06:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I don't think that some women have higher pain thresholds. I think that SOME births are easier than others. I had 2 relatively quick, non-medicated births. One was manageable, the other was not (I was a wreck, like the OP described her experience).

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      11.18.09, 06:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • both pain threshold and pain tolerance are variable between individuals. it is absolutely true that some women have higher and some lower pain thresholds. this is not debatable. this combines with different labors to create a subjectively different birth experience between women and even within one woman's mulitple birth experiences.

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        11.18.09, 06:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Okay. You sound like you know what you're talking about. My own experiences were very different, surprisingly so.

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          11.18.09, 06:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I had three deliveries, and three very different pain experiences. It is not all subjective. During one delivery I sustained a very severe tear (4th degree I believe is what they called it), tore through to rectum, THAT was excruciating. The baby presented as posterior AND brow, and should have been delivered by C. He has significant disabilities BTW. We will never know for sure what role the delivery might have played in that too. I bled daily from the wound site for a year. I was in a lousy HMO (midwife delivered) and they kept telling me I was just taking a long time to heal from a very difficult delivery. FInally consulted an MD (at my own expense) outside the HMO a year later, and apparently it looked like I had a no-intervention deliv...

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          11.18.09, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • btw in that delivery I was in so much pain at one point I lost the ability to talk, all I could do was moan, it was so horrible if I had been given a loaded gun I would have put myself out of my misery.

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            11.18.09, 07:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • i am sorry for your experience. but pain threshold is, by definition, subjective. i agree that more severe medically complicated deliveries are, on average, perceived as more painful than uncomplicated ones. if you took 100 volunteers and gave them a superficial laceration or a full-thickness laceration, i agree that all would report a greater degree of pain with the latter. but that has nothing to do with my point, which I stand by, that pain threshold and pain tolerance are subjective experiences, measurable, but subjectively reported differently by different individuals.

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            11.18.09, 07:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • okayyyyy, and for anyone who wants the real facts, I urge you to read "pregnancy, childbirth and the newborn" by Penny Simkin. She not only explains everything that could potentially happen with every single intervention you could have, she does it in a way that makes no one feel inferior for their choices

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      11.18.09, 07:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • what's sad to me-- and i have done a lot of professional research in this area-- is that the entire debate so often centers around the epidural. get one, don't, whatever. the word "natural" should be banned. but what's really lame is UNNECESSARY inductions, episiotomies and c-sections. All of those are really unpleasant things (unlike pain medication). And yet us women are all bitching about who was tough enough for the pain. I had births both ways, the pain is ATROCIOUS. I loved my non medicated and medicated birth. What I hated about the medicated birth was the entire experience ASIDE from the epidural. What I loved about my non-pain medicated birth was the entire experience except for the pain (though I will say the post labor pain eupho...

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      11.18.09, 07:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I agree with a good 90% of what you're saying, but I don't think most of the women who delivered naturally and are posting about it tonight are priding ourselves on being tough: many of us made a decision that we thought would give us the best chance of avoiding other interventions because we don't have control over a medical system that tends to encourage interventions.

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        11.18.09, 07:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Until you've delivered a child naturally, you have no idea how incredibly painful, yet wonderful, the birthing of a human being can be.

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      11.19.09, 05:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • my #2 came very quickly and although i remember it being painful, it wasnt at all as painful as i thought i might be...

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        11.19.09, 09:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • and those poor, deprived women who have to have c section, they just have no idea how wonderful the birthing of a human being is.

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        11.19.09, 09:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Thanks for the kudos! My OB said the same thing. It was brutal but worth it -- I'm planning to go through it again in a few weeks with #2.

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      11.19.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i'm not sure it's all mental, but i must say that it wasn't as bad as i thought.

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      11.19.09, 07:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • There is an inbetween. I had an epidural but had them turn it off when getting closer to pushing.

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      11.19.09, 08:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • The only thing that mattered to me about my pregnancy was the baby it was going to produce. I understand that some women choose to refuse pain meds and why, but that does not make them better people or better mothers. I really don't get why someone would develop some superiority complex over going without an epi, and judge those who do to boot..

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      11.19.09, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I heard of a woman who delivered an 11lb baby without an epi. Her pelvis broke. Try that without pain meds.

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      11.19.09, 08:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • how horrible. I think it is ridiculous to go without needed pain meds, and I would not do without pain relief at the dentist's either, it is all so ridiculous, what an idiotic contest.

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        11.19.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I heard of a woman who didn't realize she was in labor until the baby was practically out.

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        11.19.09, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • maybe they'll make a new category for it at the Olympics. Then you all can display your evident superiority to the whole world on television.

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      11.19.09, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • for me, pain is not a character-building experience. It's just something to get through.

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      11.19.09, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Hey before epidurals and other modes of pain suppression everyone went through natural childbirth. I see no need to go back to the olden days but it's everyone's individual choice of course

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      11.19.09, 09:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • One interesting thing is not the superiority SOME mothers may have about natural childbirth, but the defensiveness of those who did not. Why are women chastising each other for making different choices? It's so pointless.

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      11.19.09, 11:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA. I have had 3 drug-free births and one epidural and I am not smug about either choice. I chose to have drug-free births after the epidural b/c I really did not like the way the epi (and other pain meds) made me feel. I also felt I recovered faster without drugs. I don't understand why EITHER side has to talk down to the other, or why there even have to be 'sides.' We all gave birth. We all have children. The End.

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        11.19.09, 04:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Anyone do a walk-in clinic for the H1N1 vacc for their kid in Manhattan? Trying to determine if it's going to be too crazy to go right now or if this is actually a good time.

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    11.19.09, 06:46 AM [ Flag ]
    • I did a weekend clinic for myself and then took my mother to walk in at 3rd and 122nd. Both were fine. Weekend clinic had long lines, but best organized thing I've ever seen. Plenty of monitors, intake people and nurses/doctors. Line was down the block, but took 40 minutes start to finish. Walk in took longer, but really not a problem. Weekend clinics won't vaccinate children under 4.

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      11.19.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I went to teh clinic at 122nd and 3rd also bc they were taking 3 yr olds. I was a little annoyed that they ran out of the one for pregnant women so I couldn't even get it and after 2 hours of waiting the child in front of us got the last regular vaccination but luckily the y had the mist. I'm glad she was able to get something after that wait but we'll now have to go back in a month to get the booster.

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        11.19.09, 07:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i did it at 82nd and 2nd last weekend. think it is in different spot this weekend. very well organized but do not take kids under 4. took me about 45 min. at 3:30.

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      11.19.09, 10:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • that's great timing. it's in a different place? meaning it wasn't at an actual clinic?

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        11.19.09, 10:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OR: The weekend clinics are at different sites each weekend. They are free. The other clinics are usually existing clinics and will charge an administration fee. Unless you have a child under 4, I think the weekend clinics are the way to go. I also was at the one at 82nd and 2nd, so don't know if others were as well run, tho.

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          11.19.09, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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