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  • [-]When do sibling applicants hear about kindergarten? Not sure that my ds will get in and very nervous.

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    11.20.09, 05:20 PM [ Flag ]
    • If you applied through Early Notification then you hear sometime in December or January. If you're so nervous, what's the matter? Why can't you talk candidly with the AD. If you're nervous, maybe the school isn't the right fit for the next child. I have three dc in three different schools. Sure it's a lot of work, but I care that they have the right place for themselves. I get so annoyed with selfish parents who just want expedience and don't look at other schools for second, third and fourth kids. Did you even bother to apply to another school or two? Take the tour?

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      11.20.09, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I hear that schools are trying to admit more only children from older parents so they won't have so many difficult sibling cases.

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        11.20.09, 05:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • The dumbest kids in my ds class are siblings. Schools should take kids who merit the spots and not stupid siblings. Would help for development too.

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          11.20.09, 05:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Dinging sibs is surely *not* good for development! It just makes families angry.

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            11.20.09, 05:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Yes, it does not do much for community spirit...

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              11.20.09, 05:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Better to be dinged at the start than counseled out after a few years.

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                11.20.09, 05:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I highly doubt many of the dinged sibs at most of these schools would end up counseled out. Maybe they'd be average or below average students, but they'd probably do just as well as many of the kids there. I really think it's more about making room for new kids they really want.

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                  11.20.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Our #3 was dinged, with 99erbs, 2nd round hunter scores, and with what our psd was such a good school report, she did not think it was worth applying elsewhere. So we didn't, and ended up having to scramble. Sometimes there is just not enough space, we were not big donors, just kind of unimportant people.

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                  11.20.09, 05:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • OMG I can't even imagine how upset you must have been, assuming this post is real (and I really want to believe it isn't).

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                    11.20.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • Sadly, it is real, and while dc is very happy now at another school, I feel unwelcome at the school now, and I used to be very involved. I feel like they do not like us, and it is hurtful for younger one to now come along to school functions etc. Raises questions I do not want him to deal with at such a young age.

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                      11.20.09, 05:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • wow... that is a really awful position that the school put your family in!! I just hope it works out better for your 3rd in the long run. I can totally see how it now colours the experience for you/your elder two DCs too. We are applying out this year with our 1st but your post makes me very nervous for #2/3 in a couple of years!

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                        11.20.09, 08:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Sounds like crap. Perhaps you are young with many offspring.

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          11.20.09, 05:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • only children from older parents often come with all kind of other issues.

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          11.20.09, 05:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Did you even....why so aggressive?

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        11.20.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • There are so many sibs in my ds class that there is barely room for any new families in the school. Agree that sibs tend to be the weakest in the class and the parents get really clannish.

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        11.20.09, 05:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Regardless of her spunk, ambition and dogged determination, how can a thinking, logical person think Sarah Palin is qualified to be president..? Baffling.

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    11.18.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag ]
    • like any other politician, Palin is entitled and misses the spotlight. This is her chance to get back in it.

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      11.18.09, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • ITA. This woman considered a question about 'which magazines and newspapers she reads' to be manipulative.

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      11.18.09, 09:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • What amazes me is that is an ok answer for some. "Ewww, the tricky Katie Couric asked me a surprise question I had no way of answering without preparing for it." In the middle of an interview to be the #2 political person in the country a heartbeat away from the red phone, "What is the cube root of twenty seven?" is a trick question. Not what do you read?

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        11.18.09, 09:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: people that think its acceptabel think that katie couric is part of the evil liberal media and that reading/ kniowledge/reality is overrated.

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          11.18.09, 09:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I'm surprised they don't go, "Wait, you were tricked by who?" I mean if it was Barbara Walters or Gwen Eifel (sp?) that would be one thing but Katie? c'mon. How are you going to negotiate with King Abdullah?

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            11.18.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • or: well exactly. And isn't that telling? That she needs to "prepare" a response about what she reads? Because perhaps she doesn't read anything of real substance? Which speaks to how much she KNOWS about the world around her? Surreal all of it, really. I'm not running for president but could come up "the right" answer in a heartbeat.

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        11.18.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I thought is was hilarious that she referred to Couric as "perky"--that woman could out-perky anybody...

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        11.18.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • IF you agree with her, you mgith think she is qualified. there is a really strong anti-elite current in US political thought, and she is seen as a great example of that

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      11.18.09, 09:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA. I wouldn't hire Sarah Palin to be a showroom assistant, hanging up clothing that customers try on (I don't think she's smart enough to put everything back where it actually belongs), but I know that there are people out there that think well-educated, articulate people are scary and shouldn't be making decisions that impact "real people". I am not the smartest person out there, I don't have the best education, but I want people who are a lot smarter than I am making the decisions that I know I'm not capable of sorting through.

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        11.18.09, 09:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • op: I get anti elite - I really do. But I do not get anti, plain old qualified. Without an ounce of sarcasm, based on competence alone - I am more qualified. And I'm no Einstein.

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        11.18.09, 10:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: i think any one of us could do as good a job as that crazy eskimo.

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          11.18.09, 10:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ITA. In America, anti-elite appears to mean anti-qualified or pro-moron. I hate politicians who wear their ignorance and incompetence as a badge of honor. Other than politics, where else in life do we take pride selecting the most unqualified person for the job?

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          11.18.09, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Her resume is quite similar to what Barrack Obama's was before he was elected, with the minor difference that Sarah Palin had some executive experience, and he did not. I personally detest Sarah Palin, but the level of Orwellian doublethink that surrounds the issue of her qualifications vis-a-vis those of our sitting president astounds me.

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      11.18.09, 09:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Has she ever read the US Constitution? He taught law school classes on Constitutional Law. I think there is a substantial difference in their resumes, he actually a respectable one. Her's is a bad joke.

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        11.18.09, 09:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • A bad joke? You can't possibly even mean that. She was a mayor and a governor.

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          11.18.09, 10:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • you can't possibly compare her education to Obama's. She went to 4 different colleges to end up with a degree in journalism and a goal to be a sports commentator on tv. She is a total lightweight.

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            11.18.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • She's done pretty well for being such a dumb lightweight. Of course, Obama has vastly superior academic credentials, but I don't understand why you think Palin's executive experience is irrelevant, even so.

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              11.18.09, 10:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • The "executive experience" you claim she has is laughable. She was the mayor of a small town, with no real authority (all major departments/infrastructure were handled at the county or state level - she had no authority over police or fire dep'ts). She couldn't handle the responsibility of being Governor of Alaska, so she quit.

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                11.18.09, 10:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Still better than zero. Also, I'm not sure where you get the idea that she could not handle the responsibility of being Governor of Alaska. Looks to me like she (correctly, if somewhat cynically) saw that she had the opportunity to become a national figure, and like many politicians have and would, left her state position when it no longer suited her ambitions.

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                  11.18.09, 10:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • I think you are the one drinking some serious KoolAid. She's not a "national figure", she's a laughingstock, getting into a public shouting match with a teenager. If she wants to be taken seriously, she needs to start acting like it. Finishing the job that she was elected to do would have been a place to start, since she quit that job, she has to make up some ground - let her start publicly speaking on real policy issues to serious groups - Heritage, AIE. Until then, she's just a bad joke who couldn't handle the job she had.

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                    11.18.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • NP. Hold on. You seem to think SP's experience counts even if she wasn't very good and showed no interest in trying to improve. If she's a lousy mayor/governor, then her experience counts against her, not for her.

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                    11.18.09, 12:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Mayor of a town smaller than most NYC suburbs and used it as her personal feifdom (zoning violations ignored so she could sell her house?). She was elected governor as a reaction to widespread corruption accusations against the incumbent and didn't last half her term. It took her 6+ years and at least 4 colleges to get a bachelor's degree from a 5th rate institution. Wow, she's impressive. If she really wants to build a resume, let her start speaking, on the record, to groups like the Council on Foreign Relations, even the Heritage Foundation would be a good place for her to start, and get out of the gutter war with her grandson's teenaged father. Right now, she looks like a publicity whore with no common sense, not a serious president...

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            11.18.09, 10:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • A dean at a small college has more people they are responsible for than the mayor of Wasilla. And apparently the part time job of governor of Alaska was too much for her.

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            11.18.09, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • And this is (1) more or (2) less executive responsibility/experience than Obama had before the Presidency? As I said, doublethink.

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              11.18.09, 10:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Your post exists in a vacuum. There are many people I loathe as ppoliticians, but they are qualified, regardless of my opinion of their views. Stop parcing a poor analogy.

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                11.18.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • No one ever claimed that he had "executive experience" that you seem to think is all that is the only qualifying factor. His supporters understood that he was/is smart enough to understand his job and it's responsibilities. She, for all her "executive experience", is simply not smart or engaged or capable of understanding the ramifications of her decisions (hence, she quit the only serious job she's ever had because she didn't understand what she had signed on for and couldn't actually do the job).

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                11.18.09, 10:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • But what Obama brought to the table was not Executive experience. I mean John McCain has none either. He never had a command position in the Navy. This is like arguing she should get it because she was the best baton twirler.

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                11.18.09, 10:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Right, suggesting that being a state governor is relevant preparation for the presidency is like suggesting a baton twirler is.

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                  11.18.09, 10:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • So the job she quit because it was too much is what shows she is qualified?

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                    11.18.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • Umm, what makes you think the job was too much for her? It seems pretty clear to me she dumped it to further her national aspirations. I'm no fan of hers, but that says "smart move" to me, not "dummy who couldn't handle being Governor."

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                      11.18.09, 10:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • How did quitting further her national aspirations?

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                        11.18.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • You are almost unique in holding that position. Everyone I've heard, GOPer's included, think it was an idiotic and perplexing move.

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                        11.18.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • If she had "national aspirations" beyond her 15 minutes of fame she wouldn't be whining about not liking the photo on the cover of Newsweek or getting in the mud with her grandson's idiot of a father.

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                        11.18.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Is she not the most visible and discussed Republican political figure right now? Don't get me wrong, as a moderate conservative the Sarah Palinization of the GOP makes me weep and gnash my teeth -- you have no idea what it is like lol -- but to characterize her as anything other than a shrewd and capable self-promoter strikes me as inconsistent with the facts.

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                          11.18.09, 10:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • But she's not being discussed in a good way. The focus has been on the soap opera of her life, not where the focus should be. If she has serious ideas, she needs to get them out - until then, she's just another media whore.

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                          11.18.09, 10:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • do you think the majority of Americans view her favorably now? 2/3 Americans say "No." to her running for WH in 2012. 7/10 say she is unqualified. And those numbers are dropping.

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                          11.18.09, 11:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I don't think anyone willing to publicly trade insults with Levi Johnson has much in the way of common sense. Media savvy, sure, but that should not be enough to be a viable candidate for president.

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                          11.18.09, 11:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Again with the public insult comment. Do you only watch Olbermann, Maddow, and read the Times?

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                          11.18.09, 04:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Where is she making serious policy statements? Is she talking to AEI? No, she's on Oprah and Twitter, trying to sell a book and inviting that kid to Thanksgiving dinner. She needs to climb out of the gutter and start talking policy before she can or should be taken seriously.

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                          11.18.09, 05:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • If Obama ever held a class officer position in high school or college, then Palin's experience in Alaska does represent LESS executive experience than he has. It doesn't sound like you have ever been there or lived there or know anyone in Alaska?

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                11.18.09, 11:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Mayor of Walissa (sp?) is basically a popularity contest. Governor was that spunk and determination.

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            11.18.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I can't stand her but I don't think her resume is the problem, being a governor is good enough (worked for reagan)

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            11.18.09, 10:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Different states have different types of governments and make very different demands on their governors. California has a very active, demanding, executive office. Alaska (like Texas) does not. This was as true when Ann Richards was governor as it was when GWB was.

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              11.18.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Could answer. You managed to insult Palin and Bush at the same time.

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                11.18.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Like how I did that?

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                  11.18.09, 11:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • I hate liberals - you can't get past Bush. Let it go, already - sheesh.

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                    11.18.09, 04:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • Hey dopey, I gave California credit for having a demanding executive -- aka Reagan. GHWBush had no experience as governor. Texas for GWBush. See, I went back for all the R presidents over my life time. (And I'm not a liberal. If I was I wouldn't have bad mouthed Ann Richards. They love her -- although God knows why.)

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                      11.18.09, 08:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • If Obama had ever read the Constitution he would know there is nothing in the Constitution that permits him to do most of what he has done (and wants to do) as President. Obama has more contempt for the constitution than any President in my lifetime.

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          11.18.09, 08:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • If you want people to flame you for being an idiot why not post that breast feeding sucks or being a SAHM is for suckers like all the other masochists?

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            11.19.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • executive experience, in this case, is a red herring. McCain ddn't have any. and obama had more private sector experience thatn either mccain or palin. but if you want to make obama look unqualified, you drag this argument out.

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        11.18.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • So black and White. Obama had lots of experience and the Republicans had none. What did Obama do exactly? I know he wrote a couple of books? Sounds like that is about it. But, all that shows is that he has a huge ego.

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          11.18.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • You're really saying that executive experience is a red herring? Bizarre. BTW, I'm not attempting to make Obama look bad: I think Obama won the election because he was both a better candidate and a better campaigner than John McCain. The point is that, viewed objectively, Obama's and Palin's experience are sufficiently equivalent that it is irrational to view her as grossly unqualified while treating Obama as qualified. FWIW, I voted for Obama, but the endless and unfair Palin-bashing is most unreasonable.

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          11.18.09, 10:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: Only if you think the only experience which counts is experience as the executive in the public sector. Why is this so hard a point to get?

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            11.18.09, 10:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • i'm saying in thsi context it is. republicans decided aht "executive experience" was the standard after they picked Palin. McCain had no executive experince

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            11.18.09, 01:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • "private sector" ??? You must be joking. Obama never did anything in the private sector. Every job he ever had was a government or government funded job of some sort. Nothing "private" about any of them.

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          11.18.09, 08:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Same for Nixon, Ford, McCain, Bob Dole, Clinton, Carter (for the most part)... By this logic we should elect whom? I have it Bloomberg-Corzine 2012!

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            11.19.09, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • PP: Right. I didn't say "private sector" experience is a qualification for the Presidency or any other office, because if it were the list of "qualified" people would be very small. I was just objecting to anyone saying Obama had private sector experience when he has not.

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              11.19.09, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • And I would vote for them

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              11.19.09, 08:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • um, he and Michelle met while working for the same private law firm. When has John McCain ever worked in the private sector? Gov't salary from birth to earth.

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            11.20.09, 07:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: I see it like this - sometimes you interview someone inexperienced in the actual job and hire them anyway because their education/degrees, life experience, other job experience, other credentials and intelligence lead you to believe that they will be very good at that job. Then you meet other people, whose resume seems to suggest that they have relevant experience at the job and yet based on their education/degrees and your dealings with them, you truly wonder how they ever got the job. Oftentimes you find out that the job was not really what it appeared to be, or that there was nepotism involved or that there were company "politics" at play and somehow this person ended up in a place far beyond their abilities.

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        11.18.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • their experience was about the same level. his education is superior, but there are lots of qualified intelligent people who don't have access to that level of academia. palin is probably not one of them, but i am completely offended as a woman by the sexist jabs at her by her detractors. between how the dems treated hillary and palin, they have lost my respect.

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        11.18.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Intelligent people, of either gender, don't consider "what newspapers do you read" to be a trick question or one that needs prep. My grandmother, who never graduated from high school, could have answered that question without stumbling over it (and had a real answer - the Miami Herald). Palin couldn't answer it and didn't (and still hasn't). I don't think that showing Palin as she really is, inarticulate and willfully ignorant, is unfair or sexist.

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          11.18.09, 11:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I think her point was the mainstream media was just looking to find something wrong with her. She was trying to guard her words. Honestly, you should get passed the fact that you don't like Republicans and look at it in a fair light. She knew she was walking into a lion's den and her handlers were keeping a muzzle on her. I think she deserves a pass. Both parties have candidates that say stupid things all the time. Biden for one, Gore with the internet, Bush, etc...

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            11.18.09, 04:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • No, that was her explanation after the fact for why she flubbed the question. It's not that I don't like Republicans, I've voted for Republicans, I just don't like her. There were at least 3 other Republican women who should have been on that ticket before her - Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Olympia Snow and Susan Collins would all have been much better choices. If Palin couldn't handle a real softball from Katie Couric without being caught off guard, how would she be with Vladimir Putin?

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              11.18.09, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • But see this is what kills me, Gore never said he invented the internet. "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." A. Gore But you repeat a lie enough and the dopes out in the hinterland who won't bother to read and figure things out for themselves will buy it hook line and sinker.

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              11.19.09, 07:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • what words could she have possibly been trying to guard in reply to that question? "oooh Katie, I read the Star every time I'm at the supermarket buying moose chops!" It's not like a complex policy question.

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              11.20.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • What I don't get is that she keeps getting a pass on being so poorly qualified. Bobby Jindal is smarter than she is, and usually better prepared/more articulate but when he did so poorly on the Republican response to an Obama address to Congress he faded into the woodwork. She keeps inserting her foot into her mouth, gets called on it, responds "you're being sexist", and keeps going. Pointing out her absolute lack of education and non-existant intellectual curiosity isn't sexist.

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          11.18.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Written like someone who has never set foot in Alaska, much less Wasilla! A top high school student with one government class under their belt could have run circles around her in being a mayor of her tiny hamlet, or governor of Alaska.

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        11.18.09, 11:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITTTTTA

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        11.19.09, 07:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • What makes a community activist qualified to be President? What about an actor or a peanut farmer?

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      11.18.09, 10:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • The others were intelligent people, with grasp and critical thinking skills.

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        11.18.09, 10:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Yeah, because I'm sure he made Pres. of Harvard Law Review or taught constitutional law at UChi for twelve years without either intelligence OR critical thinking skills. Do you know what a total asshat you sound like when you write stuff like this?

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          11.18.09, 04:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • no. one of them has good PEOPLE skills and is a wonderful prolific speaker. the peanut farmer, I am still scratching my head about that one... I guess other than party affiliation they can both pride themselves in the fact that they are both nobel laureates?

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          11.19.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer in the Navy. He was no hayseed. He also was a non-Washington person in the post Nixon era.

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            11.19.09, 07:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • and he lasted only 4 years. people were disenchanted with nixon, fine. Sorry, I was half kidding with my comments. I am (obviously) no huge carter fan, but the truth is he is a very intelligent guy. not much street smarts though IMVHO which I think is a large part of why he was a 1 term president. my point was more that you dont have to be a senior senator with 30 years of experience in politics to be elected president.

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              11.20.09, 04:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • gotcha. I think there was some really dirty shit that hurt him (Iran/Contra type stuff between RR and the mullahs) and of course the gas thing. But his ultimate demise was that he was too much executive type and not enough legislator/politician.

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                11.20.09, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • More qualified that Obama, easily. She actually ran a state while he was just 1 of 100 senators (and he rarely voted, instead voting "present" on hard issues). I don't want her to be president, for my own reasons, but she is definitely "qualified".

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      11.18.09, 10:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • The basic issue is that the people decided in 2008 that they did not want "qualified". McCain was far and away the most qualified of the 4, with Biden clearly in second place. McCain realized his qualifications were a liability and chose her in an attempt to dilute his qualifications. But in the end, and unqualified President trumped an unqualified Vice President in the eyes of the people. Now, a year later we are just starting to see the result of that choice, and just starting to realize it might have been a mistake.

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        11.18.09, 09:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • thank you. 100% on target. but hard to say things like this on the liberal dominated UB.

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          11.19.09, 07:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • um yeah--his "qualifications" were a liability? How about that he had foolishly sold out his "maverick" positions to kowtow to GWB, turned his back on his own bipartisan immigration bill, and suddenly seemed--in contrast to 2000--older, weaker, less decisive? In an attempt to reassure the right he lurched and stumbled--couldn't decide how to handle the financial crisis, and then yes--picked the MILF from Alaska instead of Pawlenty or some other serious contender. Foolish, foolish, foolish. And seriously--I'd just love to hear what you think he'd have done differently to solve the financial crisis since he certainly couldn't articulate it thirteen months ago.

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          11.20.09, 07:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Baffles me too. Why oh why did McCain have to choose her as a running mate. Death sentence.

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      11.18.09, 11:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I hate spunk.

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      11.18.09, 11:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'm not sure how relevant "executive experience" is. It seems very important to American voters, but I wonder about it. I'm not American, but it appears that the most important aspect of being President is being able to get Congress to pass the bills you want, as painlessly as you can. Doesn't someone with experience in Congress have a higher chance of getting that right? I mean, even if you've run a city, or a state, the issues you'll be dealing with as a head of a country are entirely different.

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      11.18.09, 01:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • The problem is that as a governor, for the most part, you don't have to take stands which piss off half the people. As a Senator, you have to vote on gun control/immigration/funding bills/stimulus packages/etc. so there is all this history behind you. (I'm not saying this is ACTUALLY bad, just that this is one of the reasons political scientists/talking heads often give for why so many more modern presidents have been governors than legislators.)

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        11.18.09, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • The U.S. President is in charge of the federal executive branch -- probably the largest organization in the country, not even counting active duty military as employees -- and most of the day-to-day is managing the demands of that. It is an overwhelmingly huge responsibility. I would imagine that much of the actual work is quite similar -- although more complex and stressful due to the higher stakes, larger scale, and lower degree of control over the organization -- to being the CEO of a big multinational corporation like GE or IBM. Obviously legislative affairs is a larger proportion of the President's work than it would be in a private organization, and Obama's health care priorities throw that into more focus, but managing the executiv...

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        11.18.09, 01:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • branch is a gigantic task.

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          11.18.09, 01:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: Is it your POV that the POTUS spends some significant percentage of his time "managing" the Federal Government? If so, what do you mean by "managing"?

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          11.18.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • obviously he has to order all the notepads adn schedule everyone's vacation.

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            11.18.09, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Right, and fill out the TPS reports, don't forget that. Are you seriously saying that there are not enough important policy decisions that are elevated to the President for consideration that it does not fill up a bunch of his time?

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              11.18.09, 02:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • and keeping track of paid time off for 1,800,000 employees. (Thank God for the postmaster general! Throw in the USPS and even Obama would be in over his head.)

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              11.18.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • She winks a lot and tries to be witty. But after that I really don't think she is very qualified. President Obama is a very intelligent person who can think on his feet. I can not say the same about Palin.

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      11.18.09, 04:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Really? I notice without a teleprompter he kinda sucks. "Uh, uh, uh,...."

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        11.18.09, 04:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NP: that is just dumb. Have you never seen him in a debate/press conference? Did you see him on O'Reilly Factor? Granted, O'Reilly is a left wing liberal douche so they probably reviewed all the questions ahead of time...

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          11.19.09, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Because some people vote with their "guts" and not with their head. It's about who they would share a beer with and pall around with. Voting for the smarter more capable candidate is an admission that the voter is not all that bright and no one wants to feel bad about themselves right? Palin makes peoe feel tough and cool because she can shoot a moose. It's the whole cowboy mystique. Plus, having a degree or an office job does not necessarily make one intelligent.

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      11.18.09, 05:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I like Palin's values and I know other people who do as well. I don't think she is qualified so it would be hard to vote for her in 2012. It's interesting to me how one's intelligence is measured on how well they can deliver a speech and how cleverly they might come up with an answer, oh and being attractive doesn't hurt (ie. Clinton, Obama) One thing to keep in mind though is people are willing to look past this. The jokes about Bush being dumb were relentless and he was elected twice. My vote included.

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      11.18.09, 05:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • oh, and Palin isn't attractive? Snort. All of those GOP nerdlings were acting like eighth grade boys. As to intelligence--does that really not matter to you? And no, not just "cleverly" answering a question, but intellectual depth, understanding, curiosity...that's not important to you? Just the "values" of someone who seems to be fundamentally dishonest, ruthless, disloyal...? And btw, you still feel good about voting for Bush--really?

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        11.18.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I guess Palin is attractive, that hair just bothers me. Unfortunately voting for me has come down to choosing the lesser of 2 evils, which is what I did when Bush was running. In the last election I wasn't happy with either candidate so I didn't vote for either. Of course intelligence matters, my point was how is seems to be determined by the masses. As for dishonest, ruthless and disloyal I'm not sure what your referring too.

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          11.18.09, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Maybe you should ask anyone in the McCain camp what I'm referring to. I think the woman is pathological.

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            11.18.09, 08:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • people think she is qualified because she is, sadly, still smarter than about 75% of the US population

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      11.18.09, 06:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Isn't it amazing what 40 years of "dumbing down" of the public education system in the US has done? We used to rank near the top world-wide, and where are we now?

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        11.18.09, 09:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Sadly, with people like you.

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          11.19.09, 04:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Yes, this is really disturbing. Take a look at any top college, and a large fraction of the students are of Asian decent. I worry where we will be in another 40 years.

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          11.19.09, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I said the same thing about one junior senator from chicago. still saying it.

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      11.19.09, 03:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • People believed Obama was qualified...baffling.

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      11.19.09, 07:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Why is this thread still alive? We all know that Sarah Palin in nowhere near qualified to be pres.

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      11.19.09, 08:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • No, but she made a darn good cheerleader.

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      11.19.09, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]DIVORCE: Just read a post that said that divorced women are threats to other women AND that divorced women are pitied by their female friends. Wanted to take a poll, I have two divorced friends and I don't feel either way. Do you divorced friends? Do you pity or feel threatened by them?

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    11.20.09, 12:56 PM [ Flag ]
    • this is absurd. i was a divorcee and i am sure the answer to both were no.

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      11.20.09, 12:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • divorced women are single and therefore as much a threat as a never married woman. maybe more if the divorcee really wants to be a married woman. and if its assumed or known that she had an affair while married that would be seen as a threat. pity is a strong word but don't you feel a little bad for any friends who don't have what you have and would like to?

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      11.20.09, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Why is any woman a threat to you and your marriage if it is so wonderful that you pity people who don't have it?

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        11.20.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • no woman is a threat to me. I simply stated that they are as much of a threat as single women. For married women who view singles as a threat they'd also view divorcees as a threat.

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          11.20.09, 01:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ^^ I also don't pity unmarried people. I was just trying to find reasons why OP's stats could be true.

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            11.20.09, 01:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • no one has everything, so while you can feel bad for someone that his/her marriage didn't work out (which is a sad thing) it's very paternalistic to think that you are being envied

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        11.20.09, 01:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • what if you have a friend who has said "I would like to have a husband and a family like yours someday". I don't think she envies me, I do feel a bit sad that she hasn't gotten what she says she wants.

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          11.20.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I have said that to friends of mine who envy me for being single, when actually I don't want their lives at all but just to make them feel better. I think everyone does this. Friends tell me they envy me when I feel low that day, it is what friends do. I like to think we are all choosing lives that improve the past whatever that was.

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            11.20.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • of course, you want your friend to be happy...but pitying her would be different...probably, the only people i'd pity would be people stuck in a terrible marriage...being single certainly isn't pathetic

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            11.20.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • wouldn't it be nice if women stopped viewing other women as "threats" to anything? it's so pathetic and useless.

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      11.20.09, 01:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I really can't consider anyone a threat because they are divorced that seems ridiculous to me. I will admit to feeling something, not pity, but something for divorced women with children. Not pity but just .... a wonder why they didn't keep it together. I am sure people might like to flame away for that but that is how I feel.

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      11.20.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ... I should say I feel the same for those divorced men -not just the ladies!

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        11.20.09, 01:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Well people are different and their situations are different. I am divorced and decided to leave because of things that you might be able to look beyond. Or maybe what I dealt with was far more insidious than you could ever imagine having to deal with.

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        11.20.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I totally hear you. I am sure everyone has their good reasons that are right for them and their family. I guess it just makes me think about my relationship and my family?

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          11.20.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • if a friend of mine divorced because she was dealing with something far more insidious that I could ever imagine, I would have sympathy for her. Not because she got divorced but for having to go through the pain to get there. I realize people can be better because of overcoming the hardship but getting there can be hard.

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          11.20.09, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It depends on the friend. I do worry about one of my friends who recently divorced. She is desperately unhappy, really wanted kids, and divorced her husband because she didn't feel fulfilled (no counseling attempts). Now she is more lonely than ever! But for other friends, it was the right choice and they feel better. I don't pity or feel threatened for people who are divorced. I guess I feel sympathetic for single moms (divorced or not) because I feel like they have the hardest job in the world! Props to them.

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      11.20.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I feel sorry for them (regardless of whether they are male or female). Divorce is never simple and 'over' when you have kids.

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      11.20.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I have 3 dear friends (2 "divorcing", 1 "divorved) with a DC. I feel sympathy for them because it's tough. But also very proud of them for making the tough choice and doing what they feel is right for them and dc for their future.

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      11.20.09, 06:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Hollingworth Science camp parents - read your post. Fascinating. If you don't mind - what is he cost of the camp? Thanks

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    11.15.09, 08:33 PM [ Flag ]
    • Are you seriously interested after you read that post?

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      11.16.09, 03:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA, it is insane that people do that for 4 weeks of summer camp. And insane that the camp administration allows that to happen. Only in NY, folks, only in NY.

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        11.16.09, 06:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NP: Not only do they allow it to happen, they get a strange kick out of it. Keep in mind that the science camp is not run by the preschool.

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          11.16.09, 06:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It is 2200 for the month of July. It is a great camp. Yes, it is tough to get into, but for a few hours of pain, your dc can go there for the next 4 or 5 summers. And it is completely untrue and unfair to say they get a kick out of it. We've done the waiting overnight thing twice now for 2 dc and we've found them to be extremely nice and respectful.

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      11.16.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I agree w/you. The admin. does not get a kick out of it. There are just more dc than the camp can accommodate, and this being NYC, the line waiting becomes another endurance trial. That said, the camp is a wonderful learning experience for dc and worth some hours of parental discomfort.

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        11.16.09, 07:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NP: Former Hollingworth Preschool parent here. There are much better ways they could handle the science camp sign-up that would avoid having people line up at 3am and they know it. Lisa likes it.

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          11.16.09, 07:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ITA, a lottery would be much more sane.

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            11.16.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • but then it would be entirely chance whether your kid gets in or not. At least this way, the parent has some control over the process.

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              11.16.09, 08:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • NNP: The process is basically only fair now to people who read UB. Normal people would show up shortly before the stated time, not at 4am. Therefore, they have no chance. It's BS.

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                11.16.09, 08:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • actually, the Hollingworth people were the ones who first warned me that I would have to show up early. They wouldn't tell me how early, but I took it upon myself to figure it out via a UB search. I feel bad for the parents who didn't know, but there's always next year. I noticed that the two parents who arrived at 8 pm the night before were parents who showed up too late the previous year.

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                  11.16.09, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Sorry, this is summer camp, anyone who is interested and able to apply within a reasonable time frame should have a shot at getting a spot for their child. It isn't a question of who is the absolutely freakiest parent who can get there 2 days before and sleep out.

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                11.16.09, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • ITTTTTTTA

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                  11.16.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I agree with that. I am not sure what the Hollingworth folks get out of this lining up but they should have switched to a lottery.

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                  11.16.09, 09:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I think you should be able to apply for summer camp in March frankly. It's New York, there are a lot of people. As a parent of kids who go there I liked knowing that I had some control about them getting in. It is an amazing camp for kids who enjoy science and I'm determined to find the money for it as long as my kids want to go there. At least you don't have to wait in line every year and they do try to make it nicer with food etc.

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                  11.16.09, 09:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • You idea of getting in is being able to line up in the middle of the night?

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                    11.16.09, 10:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • np: either the lottery will suck or lining up will suck. I think it's better to let parents who really want their kids to attend to be able to do what it takes to get them in, i.e. stand in line for hours. There's a large degree of self-selection here -- kids who come from families where the parents are extremely motivated and involved and want the best for their kids. Not saying that parents who don't line up aren't like that, but the ones who do are definitely like that.

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                      11.16.09, 11:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • NNP: In other words, uber-competitive, PITA parents?

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                        11.16.09, 11:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • it's your judgment that these are PITA parents. I was there and I can tell you that all of the parents I met were very nice and civil and were only there because they wanted to do this for their kids. Nothing wrong with that, imo.

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                          11.16.09, 11:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I never thought civil behavior was noteworthy.

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                          11.16.09, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • You are one of those parents who would have to stand there 36 hours in advance if necessary, right? A lottery would put a stop to your competitiveness. How about the folks that don't have the time to stand in line like that? They are not supposed to have a shot for their children?

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                        11.16.09, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • it's not competitiveness, but you're entitled to view it in the most negative light possible. It's a bunch of parents who are willing to stand in line for their kids. What's wrong with that? And we weren't in line for 36 hrs. More like 5 hrs and it was in the early morning hrs, so it's not as though most of us has other things to do (other than sleep).

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                          11.16.09, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • NP: I guess you just remove all single parent families from the equation unless they want to line up at 4am with their children.

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                          11.16.09, 11:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • ^meant as a reply to the "it's not competitiveness" poster.

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                          11.16.09, 11:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • ask a friend to watch your kid while you stand in line, or hire someone to stand in line. But you're right, it eliminates all the poor, friendless, single moms out there.

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                          11.16.09, 11:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • and there you have it.

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                          11.16.09, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • right, any system going to suck for someone, nothing will be perfect. Oh well.

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                          11.16.09, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • My DD's dance studio has a scene like this when recital tickets go on sale (parents line up hours beforehand to get the "best" seats) and it is so totally about the director's need for drama combined with the parents competitiveness.

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            11.16.09, 11:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: I don't know how else they could do it, other than by lottery. This way seems fairer. And they're not asking parents to line up at 2 am -- it's the parents who do it to make sure their kid gets in.

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        11.16.09, 07:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Agreed. It's like waiting for Shakespeare in the Park tickets or U2 tickets. I'd prefer to wait in line than do a lottery where it's really a pig in a poke.

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          11.16.09, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • All I can say is WOW! I remember sending dcs there about 10 years ago and it certainly was not the scene.

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      11.16.09, 09:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think it's great that the parents are willing to do this, once, for their kids. It's more fair, IMO, than a lottery, which is dumb luck. Can't phone this one in. Parents aren't freaky, or not more than any other place in NYC, for sure - but it does select for families for whom this will be a longtime, valuable experience and they know it.

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      11.16.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • How about poor families with gifted children? The parents will not have the time to line up hours and hours in advance.

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        11.16.09, 11:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np - There are far cheaper camps to go to in NYC - or kids don't even go to summer camp at all.

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          11.16.09, 12:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I live in NYC and think this is ridiculous. A lot of the popular summer camps fill up early (Oct-Nov-Dec). I know when I called Riverdale in Feb to get a spot for my dc that year, I was told they had been filled up in November for his age group. So the next year, I knew better and signed him up in October. Point is, why does H-worth have this line up thing? Why can't they just accept apps (in the mail) starting on X date (with an earlier date for returning campers) and then when an age group fills up, it fills up. But the middle of the night thing is just plain idiotic.

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      11.16.09, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Hollingworth camp only has 30 spots or so for kindergarteners and they fill up in a matter of minutes, not days or weeks. And there are very few spots (1-2) for older grades. So it would be really difficult to accept apps via mail. Admission would then be left up to the efficiency, or lack thereof, of the mail service. You would have people wanting to hand delivery their apps to make sure they get in early enough, and then you'd end up with the same problem. The main issue here is the high demand for very few openings.

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        11.16.09, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ITA about the mail. My dh got in line for dd and if she gets in we're good thru 4th gr. Returning campers get to enroll early. BTW, dh was told 38 spots for K and about 40 spots for older grades.

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          11.16.09, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • but most of the 40 spots are taken by kids already attending (they get priority). SO it ends up being 1-2 spots per gender per grade. I was talking to one guy who said his child was #3 on the list for 1st grade last year and didn't get in.

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            11.16.09, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • This year 38 spaces for K and 40 spots for new campers older than K. 78 spots for new campers. Other than K not sure about number for each grade.

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              11.16.09, 01:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • from what i understand, a lot of the other camps (ramapo, etc) are filled the same way...first come, first seve, so people line up for hours.

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        11.16.09, 02:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • the manhattan edge group still has spots for their summer science camp for next year (summer).

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      11.20.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Claremont Prep - please give me your feedback on the school. What do you know about it? Would you send your DB there??? TIA

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    10.26.09, 10:08 AM [ Flag ]
    • No established rep yet since so new. I heard the DOA is former DOA from HM. Friend's kid got in - AA and brilliant - and was offered pitiful amount of financial aid.

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      10.26.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Toured it last year and really liked it. Fabulous facilities. Got into our first choice though

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      10.26.09, 10:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We started recently and have been very happy and feel secure there. It's a little big for us (5 kindergarten classes of 16 kids), but maybe just because we are coming from a different preschool. It has the benefits of a large school through (great afterschool program, great facilities, great extras (DC is doing half year of French twice a week, music program has them singing hard stuff (DC demonstrated warm up vocal scales they do and last week told me the song they are singing is hard and my DC has taken private music lessons for almost 2 years)), etc. Most importantly, I feel that if there were ever any issues (behavior, academic, etc), they would be there in a second to do what it takes to solve this problem. All the heads of the sch...

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      10.26.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • you were cut off! please tell me more!

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        10.26.09, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • what about academics?

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        10.26.09, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • only in K but seems like they have it in hand. Heard from a mom with a 1st and 3rd grader that they have weekly spelling tests. In K math they are learning place value (up to 100), coin values and equivalencies, skip counting, measuring with unifix cubes, general stuff that they prob do at all other privates I would think. They are learning about various parts of a narrative (I can't remember details too well...think it was something about how to give details in different ways, POV, things like that). Also do journals (standard I assume everywhere), handwriting without tears, etc. Also go library (a kind of big one) once a week and do swimming once a week and PE twice a week. I'm sure I'm not doing justice to teachers' efforts, but th...

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          10.26.09, 11:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • also, science class once a week (forgot to mention above but remembered because DC especially likes this class)...also, woodworking once a week for half a year, then art second half (I think).

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            10.26.09, 11:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I don't get it. Dc is in kindergarten and has been taking private music lessons for almost 2 years? What does that mean?

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        10.26.09, 11:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • what's the big deal? DC is 6 and started when 4. Has always had affinity for non vocal music.

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          10.26.09, 11:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I think she literary did not understand what you meant. no big deal; its great your DC is taking music lessons

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          10.26.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • thank you so much for this!

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        10.26.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • My dc also just started in K and so far I am so impressed with the school. I really have a hard time imagining what more he might be getting at a "TT." His teachers are amazing-- better even than at his fancy preschool-- and the parents seem really nice. I like the headmaster very much and agree about the overall professionalism. I think the school has managed to hire very good people who really know what they're doing. It's well organized. The kids in ds' class seem nice, bright. Haven't seen any behavior issues so far. Ds loves it and we're really pleased. I would suggest checking it out if you're interested and don't give too much weight to what you read here. I haven't come across any unhappy parents there yet.

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        10.26.09, 03:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • thank you all for your replies. very helpful

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      10.26.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 2.5 years there. Pulled our son out. There is a culture of Bullying at that school that can no longer be ignored. 80+ families left last year. Parents were promised 2 teachers in each classroom, now it's a shared assistant without telling the families ahead of time. It's a mess, and the headmaster is professional schmoozer who is only interested in getting families to donate. He is not a problem solver, and clearly leans in the favor of the wealthiest families.

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      10.29.09, 10:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ignore this disgruntled vengeful parent. We are v happy w Claremont started in middle school academics are strong, teachers and families and administration all working together to make this school a success.

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        11.20.09, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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