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  • [-]What do you think of this situation? After dinner I was helping my middle school ds study for a test when my mom called on the phone. I told my ds to look over his notes while I talk to my mom. I was on the phone for about 20 minutes and when I came back to my ds he had put away all his work and was playing cards with my dh. I said let's get back to studying and my dh said I should've told my mom that I'd call her back instead. He said that ds seems to know his material and they continued playing. Now, when I was helping my ds I could tell he was not well prepared for the test and in the 20 minutes while I was on the phone I doubt ds could've memorized all the material. I didn't say anything and let it go. I guess I'm just pissed th...

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    11.18.09, 08:55 PM [ Flag ]
    • well, if you are right, don't say "I told you so." those are the things that kill a marriage, and by the time your ds is in college, you will need your dh. they were having a bonding moment. let it go.

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      11.18.09, 08:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You should have told your mother that you would call her back. You put her needs before your childs.

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      11.19.09, 05:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ita. did you expect your son to keep the momentum going for 20 minutes while you had a chat with your mom. no one is really wrong here. consider it a learning experience.

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        11.19.09, 05:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • NP: Why NOT expect that a middle schooler could study on his own for a few minutes? Seems pretty reasonable to me.

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          11.19.09, 06:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • NP. If a middle schooler needs mom to help (make?) him study, then mom shouldn't have spent 20 minutes on the phone. With other kids, the call might have been OK.

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            11.19.09, 07:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np wow, you don't expect a middle schooler to be able to study by himself for 20 minutes? I am just shocked. Do your children have no self-direction or self-management abilites at all?

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          11.19.09, 07:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • But the point here is that the DH sabotaged the study session by coming along and engaging the son in cards! And then he blamed his wife for not getting off the phone. Where is the DH's responsibility in co-parenting this child and helping him prepare for school? OP, please do not listen to these people who blame you.

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        11.19.09, 07:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Wait until the test comes back. It could be a good teaching moment. However, I'd let it go unless it happens again. And, only you know whether your Mom really needed to talk at that moment or not. Oh and remember, not matter what happens, it's always the mom's ( your) fault.

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      11.19.09, 05:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • WHY ARE YOU HELPING A MIDDLE SCHOOLER?

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      11.19.09, 06:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • THANK YOU!! If you *are* helping, stepping away for a while shouldn't mean study is over for the night, just that he's on his own for a few minutes.

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        11.19.09, 06:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • you're nuts lady. np here, but my mom helped me study through middle school and sometimes, i even asked my dad for help with my science in high school (he's an engineer). honestly, the world is a collaborative place. for goodness sake, let's help them learn how ASKING for help is a GOOD thing.

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        11.19.09, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • NP ITA. This is beyond helicopter parenting. These people are depriving their children of the chance to develop necessary life skills. Like being able to study without Mommy's help.

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        11.19.09, 07:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Good gracious--do you HAVE a middle schooler?! Helping someone to study, ie, testing them, drilling them, etc is normal. This is not helicopter parenting. This is responsible parenting.

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          11.19.09, 04:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Hey, yelling poster - do you actually have a middle schooler?

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        11.19.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • no. 2 in high, one in college, and one elementary. none in middle currently.

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          11.19.09, 07:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OR: I have one in HS and one in MS. We strongly believed that our kids should be able to handle their homework independently and that they'd develop those skills if we left them alone. It worked for one, but not for the other and the school asked that we become involved to make sure things were getting done and into the backpack. All kids are different and some need help developing organizational strategies.

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            11.19.09, 07:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You need to have a discussion w/your spouse about responsibility - ds is his child also. Why is it only your responsibility to supervise homework or help your child study for a test? I do not get involved in my ds day to day homework butif he has a big test I do quiz him and help him review. Your dh could have picked up the ball and continued helping your son when you had to step out.

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      11.19.09, 06:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Is this really how it goes these days? (i don't have hw aged kids) Boy, I can count on my fingers the number of times my parents helped me w/hw. But maybe if they had, i wouldn't be counting on my fingers.

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      11.19.09, 06:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Unless your middle schooler asked you to help him with his homework, you should be staying out of it. And if he did say that he needed your help, you should have told your mom that you would call her back. But really, any teacher would tell you that middle schoolers should be fully responsible for their learning.

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        11.19.09, 06:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • LOL

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        11.19.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Why can't DS study on his own??

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      11.19.09, 06:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • because they are 10. Did you know everything about staying on topic and managing your time by the time you were a preteen? They are still learning study skills and obviously the fact that it is way more fun to play cards with dad than study for a test shows that sometimes they need prodding and direction. Wait till your dc is older.

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        11.19.09, 06:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Yes, I studied hard and by myself in middle school (I was not 10, BTW - where did you go to middle school?). My parents were HS educated and didn't speak English. Shockingly, I was able to study by myself and get into Ivy.

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          11.19.09, 06:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • my ds is 10 & in 6th grade - thats when middle school starts in NYC. I also went to Yale both undergrad and grad but I don't pretend that in 6th grade I voluntarily turned off the TV and started studying spelling words on my own. Maybe by the time I got to college I had that kind of discipline but I thank my mother for working with me and thus teaching me the skills.

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            11.19.09, 07:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • That's universally true. My MS started in 7th grade (in NYC). I most certainly turned off the TV in 6th grade and studied. Also: there's a difference between mom saying "Turn off the TV and do your homework," and sitting down and helping DS study. Teaching good study habits is different than helping DS do his homework.

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              11.19.09, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I still rather play cards than work - doesn't mean I need direction. Geez.

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          11.19.09, 06:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np here, although i shouted above. for me, elementary help from parents was all about teaching me how to study. by 5th grade, we were on our own, and rightly so. i don't want my child to think their work is collaborative, sorry.

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          11.19.09, 06:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • hope your child never had to do a team project at work...

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            11.19.09, 07:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • your logic is faulty, and i'm not supposed to be a part of the "team" with her schoolwork. (and, i have to work as a team, and nothing in my scholastic upbringing has precluded that)

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              11.19.09, 07:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • That's not the point. Team work is meant to be collarborative . Doing your homework is not, and most certainly is not meant to be collarborative with your mom.

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              11.19.09, 07:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • NP: He was studying for a test, not doing his homework. There's nothing wrong with getting help with studying, even if you don't "need" it. My DH helped me study for the bar, for example.

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                11.19.09, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • nnp: There are plenty of concepts that an educated parent can help their kid learn well past MS. If my kid needs wants help I'm there. (Well, until calculus. Then s/he is on their own.)

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            11.19.09, 07:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • NP: ITA. Why does everyone on UB have to take such an extreme position on everything? IMO, a 10 y/o should be able to study on his/her own if the parents are busy, but there's also nothing wrong with sitting down and helping them a bit.

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              11.19.09, 07:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Of course not, but obviously the kid should be able to manage for 20 minutes on his own. Also, obviously the father should not be hindering the kid's attempt to study, which he clearly was.

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                11.19.09, 07:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • they should be able to study on their own period.

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                11.19.09, 07:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • they should but there is nothing wrong with mom sitting down and going over it with him...have you ever heard of study groups? what about tutors?...

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                  11.19.09, 09:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • It all depends on the child, and the school. Some kids need more help and direction. I'm sure we would all agree that the goal is for kids to be able to be independent in their work.

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            11.19.09, 07:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • My dc is in high school and I help her study for her history and science tests often, using her study notes. We don't help with homework otherwise and we don't help with math or French tests. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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        11.19.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP here. Wow, I see there are some really strong opinions about a 6th grade kid being able to study on his/her own. Yes, my child does homework on his own all the time unless he runs into something really tough, and that happens maybe once or twice a month. I tell him to try to solve it in all the ways he knows, then if he's still stuck then I'd help him along. Last night was about STUDYING for a big test. I saw nothing wrong with having him look over his notes while I was on the phone. He IS capable of doing that quietly on his own. My beef is with DH who not only did not pick up the "slack", which I didn't ask or expect him to, but flipped it around and told me I should've gotten off the phone, meanwhile he is engaging DS into play...

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      11.19.09, 09:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • there is nothing wrong with you helping your child study, i applaude you for being so involved..thats what children need!.....on the other note you should not have taken the call from mom just told her you'd call her back

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        11.19.09, 09:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Yes, looking back maybe I should've told mom that I'd call her back, but what killed me was the fact that Dh was playing cards with DS within that 20 minutes span, and totally gotten DS off the studying mode. If he didn't want to help him study he could've just said wait till mom is done, not start playing with him. Then the kicker is that he blames me because I stopped to take my mom's call.

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          11.19.09, 09:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • i totally get your frustration, dh will never do homework duty with ds even when im late coming home from work and it's such a drag because im the evil monster to ruin everyones "play time".... the dh thing, i guess you can find out after the test results who was right or wrong

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            11.19.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Thanks for understanding. It's not even so much about how DS will do on the test. It's more about the "blame game" that DH pulled.

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              11.19.09, 09:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I have no idea why you're mad at your DH. Your son is in middle school; he's obviously mature enough to say "hey dad i need to study" if he really needs to. If he didn't want to study, then the presence or absence of your DH wouldn't have mattered. Writing "i guess we'll see" sounds sort of mean..it's like you're wishing your son does poorly so you can tell DH "i told you so". I hope your son does well, and gives DH a high five. And I hope you can become less uptight..gosh..

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      11.19.09, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]K-12: What do people mean when they say "it's all about the high school?" I've heard it said of at least Trinity and Collegiate here. What does that mean? TIA.

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    11.19.09, 02:09 PM [ Flag ]
    • Elementary school is the same all across the board, whether TT private or 3rd tier private or good public. It's the HS where the TTs stand out.

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      11.19.09, 02:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Oh, I thought people meant that more resources are put to the high school rather than lower or middle schools.

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        11.19.09, 02:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Is this true? I thought there was a lot variability at the lower school level and after all it's where you're setting the foundation of your dc's learning.

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        11.19.09, 02:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Well it is a bit different at Trinity. T has a very very very strong sib/leg policy which means they let in every connected kid except for few clear red flags. They double in size in HS and recruit proven smart kids who boost their exmission. Collegiate has a pretty good policy as well and in the past, they recruited heavily HYP legacies and old money who get their kids into these schools.

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        11.19.09, 02:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • This is not true at all. There is a lot of variability in the schools from k-8, and some are far better than others. But some k-12s put all their talent and resources into the high school. This is why some people prefer a k-8 to a k-12.

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        11.19.09, 02:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • it means that they put all their resources, focus and energy into the high school as opposed to middle or lower. it's the reason people are against the grace highschool btw.

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      11.19.09, 02:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • And the reason that St. Bernard's explored and rejected the idea of a high school. The culture of the school, it's best teachers and all resources are geared to elementary/middle school. In k-12s, they go to the high schools.

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        11.19.09, 02:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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