[-]DD taking ERB next week. Anyone know where the Manhattan testing site is? lost address
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[-]Have you ever met some parents, and thought hope my dc never becomes friends with their kids? I've met quite a few and think it's sad that I came to the conclusion within minutes of meeting them ... some people are just plain WEIRD
17 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]this year ds and I have been on the same page. all the kids he has mentioned liking seem to have parents that I like. I guess the apples are not falling far from the trees.
[ Reply | Options ]There is so far only one mom who I do not care for in my dc's class. Our children play together often at school. My thought is to kill her with kindness. I don't want to be her friend, but she does not have to know that, especially if our children get along well.
[ Reply | Options ]So we're new to the school this year, and one mom asked me who I was - I told her I was ds' mom. She said Girl or boy? I said Boy - she said "Oh - my daughter only knows girls". Sheesh. Who says that? I mean it doesn't matter what sex your dc is, he/she should be able to recognize that there is an addition to their class.
[ Reply | Options ]That could have been me. I think she's just apologizing for not knowing who you are because her dd doesn't ever talk about kids of the opposite sex, and maybe you just didn't register at that moment. I've done that and then felt REALLY badly afterwards because it was at dropoff and I wasn't caffeinated....
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[-]This process is killing me. I am so unbelievably stressed out that dc will not have a good kindergarten to attend in the fall. and we have 4 more months of worrying before we know. Every time we talk aobu the process, I feel like throwing up.
26 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]You need to step back and take a breather. YOu are suffering some serious anxiety about something that is (a) out of your control and (b) in the scope of life, not that important. You might want to consider some anti-anxiety medication. This level of tension will be transmitted to your dc and is not good.
[ Reply | Options ]I was you last year. But I swear to you, things worked out for virtually every family that I know. I can think of only one case where a child had to attend an unacceptable local school--and that was because his mother failed to return the paperwork at a great school where he was accepted. Things will be OK :)
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I *really* don't mean this is a snarky way: try to find some perspective. You're talking about kindergarten. I know that you've been fed the line that if you don't get into a good kindergarten, you'll get into a crappy grade school, and then a crappy HS, only to end up in a bad college, ultimately with no career worth mentioning. Now look at reality. Look at people around you, even those you consider to be successful. Do you really see people whose success was dictated by their kindergarden? Ask yourself if you really believe that the mold is that strict and unyielding?
[ Reply | Options ]ITA. I went to public school all the way and still ended up with a career many envy. Relax and enjoy life with your dc.
[ Reply | Options ]np. This is actually not about the kid getting into a good school. This is about the parent who wants to be associated with a good school from the parent's point of view. You re correct that K does not matter at all in the big picture but it matters in regards to stats, bragging rates, pride, etc. Btw, I don't subscribe to that thinking.
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I absolutely agree. It's KINDERGARTEN. You're stressed? What about the mom who just got laid off and is panicking about how to feed her kids. The guy who needs a lung transplant but whose insurance won't get it? You need to get a grip and some perspective.
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Some very level heads prevailing here... thanks for the good advice all. I think I am on the opposite end of the scale - not that I have a cavalier attitude exactly but I know that we've done everything that we can to our best ability and now we're just going to wait until Feb. The only time I get a hint of stress is when I read posts like this and wonder "man - SHOULD I be more anxiety-stricken? do these people know something I don't?" Like the poster above, I don't equate DC getting into our FC as her one and only chance at happiness. Worst case scenario, we will send her to public and if it's a totally heinous experience, we'll apply again next year. Not ideal, but not such a horrible scenario either.
[ Reply | Options ]NP: I also feel fairly relaxed about process, though it's a lot to manage. But I have to say the responses that "it's only kindergarten" are idiotic. Of course she's not worrying just about the kindergarten, it's that it's a chance to find a K-12 school for your dc and your family. I agree it's not parallel to getting laid off or feeding one's children, but nor is it finding a school for one yr. Perspective means seeing the thing for what it is, not exaggerating it, but not diminishing it either. To OP, I hope you feel some more calmness, GL!
[ Reply | Options ]My feeling exactly. I was told by mom in my school "you will be so anxiety-ridden every time you see the mailman in February." What a crock! I figure that we did all we can do and that's that. Public school will be the default and if that turns out to be terrible, we will fix it. No point in worrying about this at all!!
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OP here--I know that kindergraten will not determine the future of my dc. i am a public school alum who went to ivy(hyp--since this board seems to care ), so know it can be done, and that ivy is not be all, end all. however, given some challenges my dc faces (gifted in some areas, needs help in others), I know both that we'll have a hard time getting into a school, and also that public will not work for us. dc needs a small class with caring teachers, or will have an unhappy experience. this is not about putting dc on a path to Harvard, but about finding a place where dc will strive. and, so, I am worried.
[ Reply | Options ]It's really stressful, but I would try to avoid getting fixated on one school. Last year things did not go well for us, we ended up at a school we didn't even look at initially and amazingly, it is fantastic. I feel like we got really lucky in the end, through no skills or strategies of our own. It seems to work out for most people in the end, and even when it doesn't (like in our case) sometimes in the end it does.
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[-]are most of the crazy college admissions moms strivers who didn't go to those "top" schools? despite the fact that i went to "hyp" and had a good experience there, i am so totally not worried about this for dc's. they will be who they will be! and given how young they are, i have no idea whether they will have the academic horsepower or desire to succeed at one of those "desired" colleges. rant over
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[-]How was open school week? Our school had was open to the parents yesterday and today. I always thought those days were about observing your children in the classroom but some parents just can't help themselves and need to constantly interfere. Why is that?
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[-]Any Brooklyn Friends moms on? How do you like it? Saw it last week and it seemed really nice, but looking for btdts about experience there and how it compares to other schools in Brooklyn or downtown (like, LREI, or Friends, etc). TY!
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]tell us more about your child, age, gender, interests, and I will try to provide helpful info about BFS (btw you don't need to give exact age, I am interested in whether you are looking at lower school, middle, or high, for example). I would not recommend the high school (or perhaps even the middle) to a very high scoring dc. In my experience BFS is not the best place for such students. I have known high scoring kids who were underachievers there, and had to go elsewhere to have their talents or abilities recognized or nurtured.
[ Reply | Options ]IMO the lower school is better for girls than for boys, for example, there is a lot of time sitting and in recent years very young boys were given no recess (but lunch) until after 1 PM, and guess what, there were behavior issues with large numbers of the boys! Surprise, surprise! Last year in one lower school classroom about half the boys in that class left the school for other schools (public as well as private though, so some might have been financially motivated)
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[-]We have visited several schools and VCS is our fc, followed by Fieldston. Any views on VCS from btdt? thanks a lot
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[-]Dh and I recently toured a school adn when we talked about later, it was as if we'd been to two different places! One of us loved the place adn the other didn't as well.
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[-]Did i miss the Hunter deadline? too late to sign up for test?
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[-]what time do your school age children go to bed? I have found that some of the children in my dd and ds respective classes who have problems tend to go to bed on the later side. I am big believer it should be between 7 and 8 (closer to 7). Thoughts?
74 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]6 y/o dc goes to bed between 8 and 8:30. the dc in his class i would vote most likely to become a sociopath goes to bed whenever he wants or whenever mom can deal. usually at least 10, sometimes later.
[ Reply | Options ]np: wow, 10 is late for a 6 yo. i think different kids probably need different amounts of sleep, but not having a bedtime at all or a really late bedtime that's convenient for the parents is probably an indicator of a family situation that may not be the most conducive to good behavior. my 5 yo goes to bed at 8.
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What age are you talking about? I think sleep deprivation is a big issue for my 13 year old. I try to get her to bed by 9 and often settle for 9:30 or 10PM (up at 6:40AM). It's not enough sleep for her.
[ Reply | Options ]to bed 7yo 9:30pm; 9yo 10:00pm and sleep about a half hour later. My dc have never needed much sleep unfortunately. They do not have behavioral or academic issues, just low sleep requirement like their dad.
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no, both slender and I usually have to buy slim pants for both. dd is 50% weight, ds is 75%. their sleep is meeting their needs. they need 9-9.5 hrs regardless of season, day of the week, bedtime. even this past summer when they could sleep in every day if they wanted, they were always up consistently after 9-9.5hrs. It stands to reason that an average sleep will have dc on both sides of the spectrum with higher/lower sleep needs. Mine have lower needs. DH is the same and never needs more than 5hrs a night. I need 8-9hrs so it sucks for me, but they are all perfectly happy.
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5 yr old used to go to be at 8 but since starting K, it's 7, and she falls right asleep.
[ Reply | Options ]Falling asleep is one thing, but how on earth do you get a school age child to bed at 7? I come from a country where kids stay up late and never had a bedtime--certainly didn't hurt me any at academically! I think 7 or 7:30 past babyhood or young toddlerhood is ridiculous, but if it works for your kids and you can do it, great.
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i never had a strict bedtime, used to play outside until 6, eat, then play until 8, and go to sleep around 9 or 10. Even if I would've slept 10 hours, I would still be up at 7, which is plenty of time to get ready for school at 8:30. same with all my siblings and all the other immigrant parent kids i know.
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my dcs go to bed about 9:30. They are definitely tired in the morning. ON weekends, though, they wakes up ridiculously early on their own! Between one thing and another it is almost impossible to get them to sleep earlier. I know people say that makes us terrible parents, so be it. They are sweet as can be and absolutely no behavior problems and incredibly energetic when I see them at home in the afternoons--play nonstop--but they are definitely hard to get up so I assume more sleep would be good.
[ Reply | Options ]My four year old goes to bed between 8-9pm and takes a two hour nap. No behavior problems.
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because napping in kindergarten isn't an option. and then you'll be stuck trying to get a cranky, sleep-deprived dc adjusting to school on a new sleep schedule. translation: nightmare.
[ Reply | Options ]I don't think so. First of all, its still 10 months away so he might outgrow the nap by then. Even if he doesn't he can make it until 3:00 when schools out and then nap at home. He sometimes has to be on this schedule now and its fine.
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Why are you so negative? Some dcs outgrown naps at 2.5 or 3 or 4 or 5. OR's might outgrown it this year.
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np. i have to say that every mom i ever knew who let their dcs go to bed whenever and nap at age four were slammed when they had to suddenly deal with school. i'm not saying dcs can't grow out of naps and suddenly start going to bed at a consistent and reasonable hour at age 5. but it's not usually the case when it's been that long of go with the flow. just posting an observation
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My DH is from an immigrant family, he is Indian. He never had a bedtime and thinks it was really bad for him as a kid, he thinks it stunted his emotional and physical growth. He wants to make sure that our DD (she is a baby right now) has an early bedtime.
[ Reply | Options ]3.7 year old, preschool ds goe to bed at 6:15, up at 6-6:30. just dropped his nap, and making it til 6pm is hard! he needs his sleep!
[ Reply | Options ]my 6 year old is in bed between 8-8:30, up anywhere between 6:45 and 7:30. if i put her to bed earlier,she most likely would not sleep and i would hardly see her at all m-f. schedule works for us.
[ Reply | Options ]This is me. I work full time so I don't want to get home and immediately have to put her to sleep so I put my 3.9 year old to bed between 8:30 and 9 and she wakes up around 7:15. She's well behaved and her teachers say she's a joy in preschool so I see no problems. On the weekends we generally let her stay up as late as she wants so we can all hang out so it's closer to 11 with her waking up around 9is. It works for us as well.
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Thoughts? I think you are an extremely judgmental sanctimommy. I love that you are evaluating kids in your children's classes for "problems" and collecting data on their bedtimes. Forget that cause and effect might not be operating in exactly the way you seem to be concluding, as in "parents who are not as effective as I am in getting my children to sleep at an extremely early hour are making us ALL pay the price". No? Am I reading this wrong?
[ Reply | Options ]I get home at 7, so wouldn't work for us. Can't imagine getting them in that early even if I had better hours. If early works for you, great.
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no. in the case of sleep, which is crucial for a growing dc, you don't skimp on it for the convenience of the parents.
[ Reply | Options ]Huh? Parents have to make a living, if they don't walk into the door until 7 it is obviously not possible for dc to be in bed then. Half hour to talk to mom about your day is very important for a 5-7 yo, too.
[ Reply | Options ]they can talk to mom and dad in the morning then. if you are propping dcs' eyes open up so you can actually see them conscious for two minutes a night you need to re-think your priorities. move closer to work, figure out a way to juggle your schedules (mom goes in at 8 and is home by 6, dad goes in at 9 and is home by 7). make some sacrifices that don't involve your dcs' health and well-being.
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Me too, but our nanny puts the kids to bed and I sneak in. Unfortunately, if the kids know I'm home, they won't go to bed until 9.
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[-]Another NEST question. Does anyone understand the recent email about kids having to start wearing plastic ID cards all day? I don't want to ask on the NEST forums because they're a little...high intensity, esp. when discussing admin. decisions. Anyone know what this is about?
33 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]Are you referring to this memo. "it has come to my attention that many of the children no longer have the IDs that were made for them when they first started at NEST+m. As it would help the School Nurse, the new Aides and the Dining Hall staff to have the children wear their IDs during certain parts of the day, I've asked the teachers to help identify all the students who need new IDs so that we can make sure every student has one. Thanks for your support on this endeavour."
[ Reply | Options ]... seems to me completely reasonable you portray "wearing plastic ID cards All Day" is a bit skewed.
[ Reply | Options ]np: they are being asked to wear them all day, no? If not how will the new Aides and Dining Hall staff see them? BTW, is the capitalization in the memo or did OR add it?
[ Reply | Options ]nope not all day, just to have them: I for one would want the school Nurse to be absolutely positive of the ID of my child before say giving nasal mist for H1N1 (which could hurt my child)
[ Reply | Options ]You can't trust your child to tell the nurse his/her name? I always thought NEST was getting an unjustified bad rap here but kids in school having nametags is an insane rule.
[ Reply | Options ]Sure the child is in Kindergarten can speak and write name address and telephone number; still two children in Brooklyn were injected with H1N1 vaccine without parental consent - the school nurse said they called the name and another child was sent to the office - nurse should have reverified - an ID would have helped - no real damage was done - but if child had an egg allergy or if given the mist and has asthma you never know what could have happened.
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can I ask politely that since we have asked for more communication that it would not be a great idea to criticize the communication we get - I'm sure the author knows all the grammar rules- there are different standards when typing at places such as this rather than formal letters at least in my book
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Do you understand the new policy, then? Sounds to me that they'll be wearing plastic IDs every day.
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not a nest parent, but is this really necessary? presumably a genius who tested into nest can identify himself unless comatose. it just makes the school seem like a factory. glad our (very crowded) school doesn't do this.
[ Reply | Options ]nest students use the id to check out library books & classroom books and to charge lunch - not to id themselves.
[ Reply | Options ]gosh, we use the old-fashioned way. i guess we don't have enough reverentia pro sciencia at our school.
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it really is very helpful, (e.g. at my local gen ed free school lunch children are identified on a list which is supposed to be confidential but it becomes apparent who is getting free lunch - with a bar code parents pay website on the back end, or not, and there is no stigma - at least that is the way it is supposed to work.
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[ Reply | Options ]OP here, and I didn't think so, and I really don't want to be hypercritical at all - I give the new AP the full benefit of the doubt and she seems great so far - but I've never heard of an elementary school requiring kids to wear ids and I thought the email was cryptic enough so that maybe I just didn't understand. If it means that they grab them when they're off to the library, that makes sense. If it means they are wearing them clipped to their shirts all day or at recess, that seems very institutional and sort of creepy
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perhaps you should come to school at least once a month to understand what is going on.
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[-]BTDT moms or Admissions personnel: tips on writing the "what will your child offer our school" essay for K admissions? anything you think set your application for dc apart from others in this area? insider knowledge about what they're looking for and what big turn offs are? TIA
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[-]erb question: if a school does not require the erb (example PK Fieldston) but says it would welcome any materials, would you send a copy of your report, or have the ERB send it directly? Also, which is the minimum score would you send (if not mandatory)? thanks
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[-]Claremont, 3's program. Would love thoughts from parents. TIA!
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[-]Claremont nursery. I know nothing about this. Looks like parents love it, good exmissions on saavysource. But some people bash it on UB. Why? Are they bashing the whole school? Just the upper grades? New to all of this, trying to get my bearings. tx
2 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]op: Never mind. I just figured out the Claremont Prep (Wall St) vs. Claremont Children's School (UWS) confusion. Claremont Prep is not the pre-K with amazing exmissions, it's a separate (though possibly related?) entity that is K-12. If anyone has further clarifications, I'll be watching.
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[-]DS got 99/95/97 on ERBs -- will that be good enough for TT, comments were good.
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There are enough posted 99x3 scores on this board alone to fill most of the TT spots for kids who are not connected, so I really don't see this as some sort of foregone conclusion.
[ Reply | Options ]np: mine just got 98/95/96 and PSD said the score was fantastic. I dunno, maybe she is just trying to make us feel good, but I'm sure she's seen plenty of scores. and either way, you're one up on us.
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I agree, but there are those who love to respond that the TT schools don't discriminate against low scoring kids, which they don''t, provided the applicants can play the violin like Isaac Stern or or sing like Maria Callas.
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we're applying to dalton, trinity, collegiate, - others not considered tt on this board, SA, Speyer and Ethical
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I'm not sure it makes a diff either way, but wanted to see which was P and which V. It's a good score. That said, everything else has to be in place like above posters have said, primarily play date and then school report. (Do you have a top choice yet? Our list is not far different.)
[ Reply | Options ]We were actually unexpectedly blown away by Speyer. DS can read pretty well and is very motivated and creative. TT is security, but it also starts out pretty slow and not all that jazzy, so we're underwhelmed. If we had lots of choice, which I know we won't Collegiate, SA and Speyer are the top 3.
[ Reply | Options ]What do you mean TT is security? Great you liked Speyer, we haven't looked. Let's talk SA - I expected to love it and really didn't, felt chaotic to me. Pls tell me why you liked it? Don't have a top 3 yet, still seeing a couple more.
[ Reply | Options ]I think TT schools are vastly better at HS and really pretty lame at elementary for a kid that is at all advanced. I know others disagree and I'm not trying to pick a fight. Have close friends at SA and I like their artsy, creative and literary focus for ds. Math and science worry me, but it otherwise seems like a good fit. Perhaps because Speyer is new they give lots of detail about fab curriculum and a very individualized approach to the kids. Also, loved that they do chess and fencing and Singapore Math.
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np: come on, let's not have this fight - erbs don't really measure a kid at this age.
[ Reply | Options ]not all kids test well. My neice who is doing math, building elaborate structures,huge vocabulary got a 119 on the SB. Clearly not reflective of her abilities. Some kids don't take a test seriously. Not saying she's gifted but most likely has a higher iq than reflected by the test given at 4 yo
[ Reply | Options ]But part of giftedness is the skill to sit with an adult for one hr and stay focused and enjoy it and not want to rush. All those things are part of the test, not ancillary to it. Why don't people get that. Doesn't matter that she's doing math, can she answer the questions and take it seriously.
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