[-]Did you guys discuss the NYT article about Bright Kids and 4yo test prep schools? http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/nyregion/21testprep.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1258777767-aur+4oprs/X2rPfHGCOSgQ
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[-]Collegiate boys blow B girls out of the water for ivy. The non-ivy schools B moms picked out are not so popular among C boys. This is why you can't pick which non-ivy to compare school stats. Much easier with straight ivy comparison. Also, if you have to compare apples to apples, you need to divide by same category of common denominator.
10 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]Very helpful post - I am sure there are a lot of kids deciding between the two schools?!?
[ Reply | Options ]LOL. I can't figure out why this OP is so hot and bothered about comparisons between Collegiate and Brearley. She's posted this as a response to a few threads but rarely gets responses, so she finally started her own post. I have this vision of a woman pacing angrily around her apartment with steam coming out of her head!
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[-]Anyone know what medical condition the head of Friends Seminary has? Does she have Bell's Palsy? Was impressed with how well she handles it and carries herself if she does.
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[-]Who here truly feels that where DC goes to preschool/elementary/high school truly will affect his/her life that dramatically? Honestly I don't believe it matters as much as people think it does. I went to public schools, second-tier college, and ended up in fabulous job.
34 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]My major concern is that DC spends that time reasonably happy. School is a waste of time for many kids, and a miserable one at that. I am sure that he will do fine in the long run, but I don't want him to waste his time in a crappy school--I want all of these childhood years to be as nice as possible! I don't think there is anything wrong with public schools or second-tier colleges if they are a good match for a child.
[ Reply | Options ]I hear you, but where I went to high school demented as it sounds gets people's attention in away you should understand from reading this board alone plus it opens you up to a completely different level of networking (when you are older of course) my classmates are doing incredible things and the common tie between us allows us to call up the other for a career change, discussion or opp. Does that make sense?
[ Reply | Options ]op: yes, but most of my colleagues went to ivies, and there i am in the same place as they are. agree that networking makes a difference, but it's not the only difference.
[ Reply | Options ]But it is such a huge network that is dispersed, all going to Harvard for instance while wonderful I am sure is not the close and similar experience that being Spence '83 is for instance. Or Spence any year for that matter. I went to an ivy but I never use the alum directory for networking only my private it actually has a more impressive roster for my year!
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I don't know, I went to fancy-schmancy schools, and I don't think I have ever really used that network in my career. In fact, I'm always a little embarrassed to mention where I went to school. I still talk to my best friends from high school, but I don't think any of us feel we benefited much as far as networks. I do appreciate the great education, and I think it is natural that if you get a bunch of pampered, educated rich kids together they will go on to do some pretty incredible things relative to kids with less resources.
[ Reply | Options ]I think 'fancy-schmancy' is what gave away the fact that you didn't actually go to one but ok
[ Reply | Options ]LOL, nice try. I do think it gives away the fact that I don't take where I went for K-12 very seriously, and I definitely don't think it determined my life's path. I can't even think of a situation in which I have gone through an alum directory to "network"! I now teach at a fancy-schmancy University, and the students I most enjoy working with--and many of the brightest-- are usually from publics. Different strokes...
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To me, the education itself matters more than the job it leads to. It is possible to get a great education at second rate schools, but its easier to do so at first rate schools. My guess is that the first years of that education matter about as much as the other years. So, yes I do care.
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Wow; astute (if a bit cynical), but not quite on the mark. I'm DH who can't get or keep a job, but who manages to contribute in a variety of different ways... for which a well-rounded education is very useful (e.g. reading laws, navigating bureacracies, solving technical problems, coming across as a high-level person), as well as life-enhancing.
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I suspect that more moms without Ivy-level college are more private school obsessed than moms who have BTDT. That is always the sense I get, at least on this board. They ramble on and on about the import of education, yet their posts are full of spelling/logic/grammatical errors. I think moms who have it don't worry so much about it either way. They know there are many ways to get to HYP, or not, and have a great, rewarding life either way.
[ Reply | Options ]i ignore spell/gram issues -- i never proofread and i assume no one else does either. the ignorance and lack of curiosity is a bigger problem. suggests posters are rich folks living in a bubble.
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You are totally on the mark. I went Ivy and have a grad degree too. I know you can transfer into Ivy easily - although many here probably don't know this or believe this. Dd zoned for a good public so private is not a necessity. There are actually some very good schools that don't cost $35K a year and your child will still get a great education.
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It doesn't matter one bit for the majority of people. Then there are those rare few who rise above against insurmountable odds from the ghetto school and wind up at Harvard and those mediocre students born with a silver spoon in their mouth who know how to rub elbows and work connections.
[ Reply | Options ]I absolutely believe it's important at the university level--but as for elementary, junior high and high school--not important. The rest of the country could give two craps whether your kid went to a tt NYC school or not. Seriously, it's ONLY the NYC crowd who gets spun up over this and we want to believe it's globally important so we don't feel like schmucks for putting ourselves through this self-induced hysteria.
[ Reply | Options ]prestigious schools have nothing to do with accomplishing things in life. Life in general or in a Career. People talk about it so much on here and it seems like insecurity. Its probably the greatest thing they ever did that they can still hold on to. If a person has talent, focus and drive they can accomplish anything. I went to a million different no name schools in different states, never finished college and still have worked for 6 major NY companies making 6 figures by my mid twenties. Peoples obsession with who is who and who went where on this board is laughable.
[ Reply | Options ]I think it is important. I don't care about prestige, but I do care about the quality of education--probably because mine was mediocre until college (where it was above average) and grad school (were it was excellent). Did my not-so-great high school stand in my way careerwise--not at all. Do I feel inferior or lack confidence--absolutely not. But I am aware of a missed opportunity to be challenged in a meaningful way, to be exposed to subjects on a deeper level that might have made a difference in career choices I made.
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[-]who has the decision making power for Kindergarten at Trinity? the woman who runs the playdates? who is she anyway? DOA jennifer levine seems powerles.
12 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]it all seemed very odd. only school we went to where the DOA didn't observe the dcs.
[ Reply | Options ]who did observe your dc? we haven't yet gone on our apts there but everyone i talk to says they never met doa. weird.
[ Reply | Options ]our playdate/interview was with another couple. an older woman takes the two dcs into a small room for about a half hour. during that time the doa or assistant doa talks to the two sets of parents. in our case it was a bit of a monologue by the doa who was very nice and talked all about the school, but did not ask one question about our dc or family.
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I get the feeling it is b/c the school only cares about the connections anyway at that stage
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[-]The fact is that schools promote their biggest donors to the best schools. So even if your kid is brilliant and at a TT school, if you are not a big donor to the TT or to the college, they are not going to push for you. Happened to us at HM.
42 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]you are using this as an excuse. College admissions are more independent than this.
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No, they're not. The college counselor at the TT school will not even recommend the top colleges to your kid if you are not a major donor or alum there. Trust me on this.
[ Reply | Options ]guess what! you don't have to apply only to those colleges recommended by the high school. You are totally wrong with this whole premise.
[ Reply | Options ]Right but say your kid, who gives little $$ to the school or the college, is applying, vs. other kid, perhaps with lower grades but whose fam built the library. Comprende?
[ Reply | Options ]again, maybe it matters at some schools that really need the $$$ and don't have other big donors, but this is simply not true at hyp
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btw, admissions today are much much more competitive than back then, and legacies matter much less (though they still matter)
[ Reply | Options ]ITA. Bush probably wouldn't have been admitted today. Remember, even though he was in the WH, only one of his two DCs got in.
[ Reply | Options ]weren't his dds already in college in 2000? either way, did jenna want yale? we don't know if she even applied. she seems very UT to me (not necessarily a bad thing).
[ Reply | Options ]You're right, they both took a year off to help him campaign between HS and college. So he had been Gov of Texas and they were 4th generation Yale when applying. If I had to guess, the Yale Admissions Office told Jenna not to apply, it would have been too embarrassing when she got rejected (really poor grades/SATs).
[ Reply | Options ](a) those are the ones you hear about - they aren't talking when DC is going to Nassau Community College; (b) despite what you might think, many of these people are very smart themselves - they probably wouldn't have been as successful without some semblance of a brain (although I'm not talking Paris Hilton-types, I'm talking Meryl Streep-types), (c) they could afford the best educations for their DCs from the start and you are paying attention to it, most people don't notice or care until someone's Dad shows up to speak at graduation.
[ Reply | Options ]well, it does seem like celeb offspring either go to Ivy or become DJs. In any event, you won't convince me that the offspring of Jack Nicholson and Rebecca Broussard is smart. Meryl Streep, yes, she went to Vassar and Yale before she was famous. That's how you know if someone is truly smart, and Ivy isn't just taking them bc s/he starred in Transformers 3. I went Ivy, there were plenty of stupid kids there with rich & famous parents. Contrary to popular belief, the hardest thing is getting in. Almost no one flunks out.
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just so you know. jack nicholson's dd is at brown. her mom is rebecca broussard. so is denzel's dd. now tell me again last name doesn't matter.
[ Reply | Options ]Brown has been that way for ages - JFK Jr, Diana Ross's DD, Rory Kennedy, Emma Watson. . . That said, one or two a year (at most), out of a class with hundreds of DCs doesn't really show a trend. My brother went to Brown - our Dad was NYPD. The one consistent factor is that the DCs they admit are smart enough to succeed at the school, and so are many of the DCs they reject.
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if your family built the library at the college they don't need the HS to push for them. if they built the library at the HS the college doesn't care. the HS is more concerned with the % accepts at top schools than with which kids they are. those acceptance numbers are what keeps people flocking to them
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I doubt Harvard is concerned about keeping Trinity or any other private happy. They'll get plenty of qualified applicants even if nobody in NYC applies. Therefore they can take who they want.
[ Reply | Options ]A TT guidance counselor is not going to push a big donor kid who is not qualified over students who are qualified. They would lose all credibility with the top schools.
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Sorry but I think the real answer here is either your child is NOT brilliant or you and dh are a PITA or most likely both of these factors.
[ Reply | Options ]Ok. Check back with me when your kid at the TT school starts getting told to apply to some crappy school even though he has kick-ass SATs.
[ Reply | Options ]So you believe that being at a tt and having good SATs means a child is automatically an excellent candidate for HYP? I really do get the need for defense mechanisms for coping with life's unpleasantries, but I don't get the need to convince the world at large that your coping mechanisms are reality.
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This is the premise of "The Price of Admission"- that legacy status, connections and "development potential" or donation potential trump smarts as an admission criteria at almost all elite colleges.
[ Reply | Options ]true. but Princeton's decision to admit a legacy moron is its own choice. It didn't succumb to pressure from moron's HS college admission counselor. That's the diff. The HS has its own interests to protect.
[ Reply | Options ]^^ I meant to add that top schools takes lots of smart kids based on grades/scores alone. money, legacy status, and connections will never trump brains. But if 2 applicants have the same grades/scores, then yes, those other things matter.
[ Reply | Options ]ITA. The top schools have so many qualified applicants they can't possibly admit them all. Therefore, a qualified leg or child of someone with status will have a leg up over a qualified nobody. This child will also have even more of a leg up because they have been given priviledges and opportunities that help them to shine. They may have traveled extensively, had an expensive private school education and/or access to internships or volunteer opportunities that appeal to colleges and make them appear more interesting. This is the way of the world and continues after college through grad school and jobs. To deny this is silly.
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[-]Annual fund question: is it common for a school to send out different versions of the letter asking for donations? some got a letter asking for 500 dollars (not financial aid family) others 5000. how do they know how much money people have/want to give? does this seem right to you?
37 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]Good fundraising mentions a specific amount. A good fundraiser knows what to ask for.
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They know based on previous donations. It's common to have a targeted process and I don't really see a problem with it. I used to to fund raising for my college and it was the same in that we had people whom we called and asked for amounts based on what the giving history was.
[ Reply | Options ]Yep, fundraisers assess a lot of public info to draw conclusions about what a family might give (i.e. property values, what other orgs they give to, employer, etc.).
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I am sure we get googled if they are serious about a family. They do not want any embarrassing pasts.
[ Reply | Options ]Hijack: how much googling takes place? I mean, if my wonderful dh has major criminal conviction in his past (which you would find from some skillful Internet searching) then are we totally out of luck? Should I disclose to the school? (ps it's bad)
[ Reply | Options ]Maybe in the meantime he could become a major donor somewhere instead, to mitigate the bad stuff.
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np And if you're not getting FA, they'll call to see what you'll give. It's not complicated.
[ Reply | Options ]we got FA, and we still got the call. It was expected that everyone give something, and the amounts were not published, just whether you gave.
[ Reply | Options ]op: that's not what happened. they targeted different people for different amounts, without ever talking to us
[ Reply | Options ]the schools all have development offices and this is what they do for a living. they target people based on past giving history and if there is no history, they base it on whatever information they can find - addresses, jobs, publicly listed donations, etc. if you work at Goldman Sachs, they will target you for a different number than someone who is a lawyer at a non-profit.
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[-]wwyd: I haven't given much $ to my Alma Mater before, but now that my dd is applying to Kindergarten. Do I send a big check to the annual fund now? Too obvious?
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[-]Still waiting for SB Hunter score! Almost 8 weeks! I already called psychologist who said a week or two two weeks ago and that it was being verified!! Anyone else?
23 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]We were told that as well. We waited 7 weeks for score. I don't know if this is relevant but DCs score was very high - more than 160. So I'm presuming she is in Round II. I am hoping like hell she gets in!
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[-]I did the post asking what you are most proud of, thinking of a big accomplishment that you worked hard to achieve. Now the opposite question: what single thing did you do as an adult/parent that you most regret or are most ashamed of? Some one thing you could go back and get a "redo" on if it were possible?
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Said really hurtful things to my dh early on in our marriage that still affect us today. I wish I would have kept my mouth shut about past relationships. I think he still resents things I've said.
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i'm not a parent, but the two bad things i did were ruin my gpa by working too much. i didn't save any money like i should have, and it was not worth the drop in GPA. with my 2.7, I am having a really hard time applying to any grad school, even conditionally. I have a 1400 GRE score but everyone looks at my GPA. I'm unemployed, and I can't even get a job as a grocery store bagger...sometimes I wish I chose a more 'vocational' field. I don't really care about being 'well rounded' when I don't have money to pursue any interests at all
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[-]Was in a store near ps 186 (I think) and those DCs were more obnoxious and entitled than any of the girls I knew at SS tt.
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Right, a couple of obnoxious girls pretty much represent the entire public school student body. How do you know they were from public school, anyway?
[ Reply | Options ]No uniforms, upper east side about 5th grade flowing into cell phone store in Tory Burch shoes flipping their hair and speaking through their noses. And there were about three different groups of them. And you think that people on here who bash ss TT girls know EVERY girl in the entire class?
[ Reply | Options ]When you make a decision about a private school being filled with entitled celebs and money what are you going on for evidence?
[ Reply | Options ]um, the many celebs who have kids there? i think it's far less accurate to judge a public school based on a few students. privates are much smaller and much more homogeneous, socioeconomically and racially.
[ Reply | Options ]um, the few that do in each grade do not make up the whole school not even the whole grade and who is to say celeb kids are all awful?
[ Reply | Options ]i don't think celeb kids are awful. i would worry about my dc getting involved with kids who have a lot of money and not a lot of supervision. celeb/super wealthy kids seem more likely to fall into that category.
[ Reply | Options ]I don't think you understand there are plenty of wealthy dcs at public school in wealthy areas. You aren't required to have money to get to a great private in NYC you need to have intelligence, I know a lot of dumb wealthy people.
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Ummm, you'll have to give an example if you want people to agree with you. Also, you're probably talking about 10 year olds at the most who are not allowed out to lunch (school policy) so what the HECK are you talking about??? A little insecure at your SS tt???
[ Reply | Options ]I think OP was being a bit of a jerk but - she said nothing about lunch hour. I think she saw these kids after school. A weird thing is that it also sounds like the OP is comparing these current kids to the girls SHE went to school with - not the current 5th graders at SS schools (who I'm sure are the same as these 158ers). At any rate, these kids are growing up on the UES, for feck's sake. They ARE entitled children, whether they go to public or private school. A difference would be that 158 has 20% of their kids eligible for a free lunch, which is vastly different from being "poor" enough to get FA at a private school. But the richie riches at both kinds of school? The same.
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[-]Children's Aid Society preschool: How's the separation process for the 3's program? On our tour, it seemed a little short/brief. Other schools seemed more open to the idea that it can take a few weeks, maybe longer for some kids.
8 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]It is pretty efficient. The class is divided into two groups who attend two different shorter sessions during regular class time along with their parent/ caregiver. I think that this lasted about a week. Slowly the class entire class is integrated into their regular time - and parents start leaving their children. Some schools do this process slower, but it worked very well for most children we knew. My dc was quick to separate and we actually found that my being there was a hindrance to her. If anything, I was sad because I really wasn’t missed! In her 2's class there was a child who did have a difficult time, and the mom was able to stay after drop for a longer period of time.
[ Reply | Options ]IMO, a drawn out separation is actually worse (unless the kid is having a particularly hard time with separation). You'll be very surprised at how well it goes. the clingiest kid i know separated in a week without a single issue, and I thought separation was going to be a disaster of traumatic proportions for all involved.
[ Reply | Options ]the first week parents are encouraged to drop off but are allowed to stay in the classroom until dc is settled. by the second week, while parents are still allowed to stay, they should be trying to transition dc into being dropped off. by the third week, all parents are expected to drop off. (obviously they are allowed to enter the classroom to say brief good-byes, but that's it.) weeks of having parents lingering in the classroom is just too disruptive.
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[-]Ivies+Duke+Chicago+MIT+Stanford+Amherst+Williams+Caltech (20005-09): Brearley 53%, Horace MAnn 48%, Trinity 47%, Spence 45%, Chapin 41%, Dalton 39%
98 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]did you pick out the schools that B sent the most dcs to? please stop already. caltech? isn't that a (gasp) PUBLIC school?
[ Reply | Options ]np: FWIW I am the poster you slammed below for being some Crazy B mom, I did not post this.
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Caltech is probably one of the toughest ones to get in and it is sort of like MIT
[ Reply | Options ]of course. but it is not small, ss, private, elitist, or any of the many reasons B moms give for B's alleged superiority.
[ Reply | Options ]You people really have a bug up your a$$ about this school what it the problem here?
[ Reply | Options ]I would have added Cooper Union. Nobody from Brearly went there. It's extremely competitive bec it's free and their engineering is top notch. Probably smarter kids apply there than MIT or Caltech.
[ Reply | Options ]You don't know anything about Caltech, do you? It's private and smaller than almost all of the Ivies.
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Cal Tech is not only private, but back in the early 90s when I was applying to college, the average math SAT score there was a perfect 800. I joked that there was no way they were ever going to accept people w anything less, no matter how good their app, bc they were not going to give up that perfect number!
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The problem is that if you go to one of these private schools, or even some top notch public schools in 'burbs, you are often "brokered" much like preschools do. You may love Harvard, but if the school decides some other kids are going to be the kids they recommend for Harvard, your chances of getting in are much lower. It's fine if you are the chosen one for the school you love, but if not, you are better off being one of the top students at a no-name public school and applying to that school.
[ Reply | Options ]This is just not the case. You are never better off at a no name public school in the burbs. We are talking about a 50% 'rate of return' on excellent schools for only 50 dcs. That is 25 every year in the top schools. The other 25 also go to top schools with an exception of one or two, schools that would make any no name public drool. And that is not even beginning to discuss the comparison in the education itself
[ Reply | Options ]I would choose MIT, Stanford but the other schools are random. I could have chosen different schools to judge. Clearly, B mom put together a list that puts them first. And how she did not include Collegiate is telling. Trinity did not even publish 05-09 stat, so I don't know where she got that number from.
[ Reply | Options ]Sure it is the case. If all you care about is getting into "any" highly ranked college, and you need extra help to achieve that, then a private school is for you. However, unless you are one of Brearley's "chosen" Harvard applicants that year, you probably won't get in. If you are the top student at a no-name school, you have a far better chance of getting into Harvard, and frankly, can easily get into one of the other top schools you list if you are a top student.
[ Reply | Options ]If all you care about is college admissions and judge a school by that alone than I fear for your DC. The difference a top education makes is immeasurable. Beyond that, you would never convince anyone here that a no name public with 500 students has numbers like any of those listed above. They just don't. Why fight it.
[ Reply | Options ]but they might know how to use colloquialisms appropriately. like peace of mind.
[ Reply | Options ]LOL -- I think YOU are the one judging a school on college admissions! I'm just pointing out that I'd far prefer my extremely smart dc to apply and attend the school of her choice than to be "told" which school she can apply to because the private school decides which kids should go to which colleges. Of course a no name public with 500 students doesn't have those stats because 490 of them don't even apply! But if you are one of the 10 students who do aspire to those schools, you get a great chance to go to the school YOU want, not the one that helps the private school have good exmission stats! That's what I want for my dc -- don't you?
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In your anger you failed to address the first part of my post which was pointing out that education, rather than admissions stats, makes a school. That, rather than a perceived shot of HYP by their mother, is what I want for DC. So clearly you would prefer - in your belief that public allows you to go to better schools more easily - that your dc suffer from a poor education so that they can struggle at Harvard rather than a great education and excel at U of C.
[ Reply | Options ]LOL -- do you think if you call me "angry" enough I'll actually get angry? Because I won't! I just laugh! This post is about admissions stats. I've posted my own opinion on a "better education" elsewhere, but I'll say it again. My sibs and I went from a no-name public to those schools listed above and graduated summa and magna cum laude. Surprise! The top achievers at all those schools are as likely to be from public schools as privates.
[ Reply | Options ]^^^and the only conclusion I can make if you keep insisting that the education at a private school is far superior is that the kids from private schools are far more stupid to begin with! Because if education was indeed "superior", then smart kid + 13 years "tt" education should easily surpass smart kid + 13 years "poor" education when they get to college, right?
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i have posted this question before and i'll post it again. if nyc privates are so superior to publics and privates anywhere else, why oh why, pray tell, is there not ONE SINGLE NOBEL PRIZE WINNER from any of these schools for the last 100 years? please, someone, anyone, answer!
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Hey, you left out the B mom who was all upset that dd ended up at SUNY when neighbor's Stuy dc went to Dartmouth.
[ Reply | Options ]Where was that post? b mother here and I would say that sounds like someone posing as a b mother to get a reaction
[ Reply | Options ]no, no, it was a serious post from last spring. no one was snarky, people were really supportive, and saying that whatever school it was (i can't remember) is actually strong in the arts. i think she said she felt embarrassed to have spent so much $$$ when neighbor didn't. but people responded like, well, dd got a great education for K-12, and she'll always have that. but if you're at B (I am guessing you are at the lower school), you have to know that in addition to substantial turnover at MS/HS, many dcs just don't go to great colleges.
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Golly, you don't supposed the kids who attend these schools have a leg up in terms of wealth, privledge, education, vested parents, etc etc, do you?
[ Reply | Options ]They probably have a leg up over you in spelling. What's your point? This is not comparing
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You know the % of the Bushes that went to Yale? What a special family!! Must be all very smart.
[ Reply | Options ]Not a Republican, didn't vote for any of them, but last time I checked, they were Presidents and Senators. Who are you?
[ Reply | Options ]Not sure what your point is. Mine is that posting these stats are meaningless, because the Bushes didn't go to Yale or became Senators because of their own merits, but because they have had several legs up in their lives. The kids who attend these private schools have several legs up, too, so posting what their "exmissions" are does not mean the schools are magical places that churn out Ivy grads.
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of GHWBush's 4(?) kids, only Dubya went to Yale. Because after admiting him, Yale decided it could do better than take the bottom-quarter of an Andover graduating class. Bush's 3 other kids did not go Ivy. True story.
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I think schools with similar sized graduating classes should be compared with each other; i.e., Brearley with Spence, Chapin, NBS, Collegiate, etc and in another group, HM with Trinity, Dalton, etc. It doesn't seem fair if a school gets 5 kids into Harvard, say, and have it total to 10% of their class whereas another school needs to get 20 kids into Harvard for it to count as 10%.
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[-]When do sibling applicants hear about kindergarten? Not sure that my ds will get in and very nervous.
16 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]If you applied through Early Notification then you hear sometime in December or January. If you're so nervous, what's the matter? Why can't you talk candidly with the AD. If you're nervous, maybe the school isn't the right fit for the next child. I have three dc in three different schools. Sure it's a lot of work, but I care that they have the right place for themselves. I get so annoyed with selfish parents who just want expedience and don't look at other schools for second, third and fourth kids. Did you even bother to apply to another school or two? Take the tour?
[ Reply | Options ]I hear that schools are trying to admit more only children from older parents so they won't have so many difficult sibling cases.
[ Reply | Options ]The dumbest kids in my ds class are siblings. Schools should take kids who merit the spots and not stupid siblings. Would help for development too.
[ Reply | Options ]Dinging sibs is surely *not* good for development! It just makes families angry.
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Our #3 was dinged, with 99erbs, 2nd round hunter scores, and with what our psd was such a good school report, she did not think it was worth applying elsewhere. So we didn't, and ended up having to scramble. Sometimes there is just not enough space, we were not big donors, just kind of unimportant people.
[ Reply | Options ]OMG I can't even imagine how upset you must have been, assuming this post is real (and I really want to believe it isn't).
[ Reply | Options ]Sadly, it is real, and while dc is very happy now at another school, I feel unwelcome at the school now, and I used to be very involved. I feel like they do not like us, and it is hurtful for younger one to now come along to school functions etc. Raises questions I do not want him to deal with at such a young age.
[ Reply | Options ]wow... that is a really awful position that the school put your family in!! I just hope it works out better for your 3rd in the long run. I can totally see how it now colours the experience for you/your elder two DCs too. We are applying out this year with our 1st but your post makes me very nervous for #2/3 in a couple of years!
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There are so many sibs in my ds class that there is barely room for any new families in the school. Agree that sibs tend to be the weakest in the class and the parents get really clannish.
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[-]Btdt: Please list the schools you applied to, whether dc was accepted/wl/rj at each, and who interviewed you (doa, adoa or other):
12 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]I'll play: Brearley (ding/doa); Chapin (wl/adoa); Dalton (ding/other); Horace Mann (wl/Meredith someone--doa?); NBS (ding/adoa); Sacred Heart (wl/doa); Spence (accept/other).
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Not this year, but my dc was wl at Hunter and Dalton, and rejected by Spence, which we really loved when we visited. Accepted at Brearley, though, and she's there now. Probably the bet fit in retrospect, but you can't know at that age. We just had a great visit at Spence and met only great teachers and students. The same way the schools are just guessing at which kids "fit," with only scores and an interview to go on.
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[-]Yes, I'm obsessing but humor me: if an SB tester tells you your DB worked "very hard" it isn't good - right?
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[-]I'm really upset with the public MS application process in D3 this year. Every freaking school wants to be put as first choice. Delta has an "official" cutoff of 1385, but due to score inflation parents have no idea what score is going to be good enough (unlike other years). So if we go for Delta and don't FC semi-OK MS like Computer, and DC doesn't get into Delta, we'll end-up in some terrible MS
6 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]If the Delta cutoff is 1385 your dc will get to take the test. After that it's just a matter of how they do on the test and their school record. All the good schools have insisted on being first choice for years now.
[ Reply | Options ]I don't think any score is good enough for Delta if dc bombs the Delta test they are not going to get in. So if you want Delta get dc study for the test. Since they will have a lot more qualified dc applying this year than spots, their own test will be the dealbreaker. As is for many selective middle schools.
[ Reply | Options ]Computer is not "semi-ok" - my dc chose it over Delta as well as quite a few of his friends. If you prefer Delta - great, go for it! No need to disparage Computer School. Computer School has amazing teachers, a great principal, a tight-knit community and a nice facility. It is better than "semi-ok."
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