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  • [-]Hi- Can anyone name some famous women artists and writers that are also mothers through history and up until now? Thanks

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    01.09.10, 03:23 PM Flag ]
    • Sylvia Plath. Did Mary Cassatt have kids? Can you narrow your search? There must be so many.

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      01.09.10, 03:28 PM Flag
      • Plath! She killed herself and left the kids behind. Let's find some other examples.

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        01.09.10, 03:35 PM Flag
        • np: Nevertheless, she had tremendous talent.

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          01.09.10, 03:49 PM Flag
          • Nnp: Let's not go down this path again - last time we got excerpted in Harpers!

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            01.09.10, 05:13 PM Flag
      • diane arbus

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        07.02.10, 08:37 AM Flag
    • Mary Wollenstencraft - 18th century feminist philosopher/writer whose daughter Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein.

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      01.09.10, 03:34 PM Flag
      • Mary Shelly was a pregnant teenager when she wrote Frankenstein. It boggles my mind.

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        01.09.10, 04:45 PM Flag
    • DT? is that you?

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      01.09.10, 03:35 PM Flag
      • omg it is...who is this?

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        01.09.10, 03:49 PM Flag
        • its JK. hahaha I cant believe that!

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          01.09.10, 03:51 PM Flag
          • posts like this actually make me jealous that i don't have friends who i know UB. i know, that was a weird thing to write.

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            01.09.10, 04:18 PM Flag
          • hilarious- think of same names for me?:)

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            01.09.10, 04:41 PM Flag
        • its Jen! D- u there?

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          01.09.10, 06:39 PM Flag
      • np-how did you recognize op? strange.

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        01.09.10, 06:30 PM Flag
    • Charlotte bronte died in childbirth as did her son. does that count?

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      01.09.10, 03:37 PM Flag
    • Louisa May Alcott adopted her two year old niece. I don;t know if she had children of her own.

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      01.09.10, 03:42 PM Flag
    • op Ha- Plath suicide, Bronte childbirth death (I guess it does count) , Alice Neel's 1 year old died and her husband left with the second child oh vey! Anyone have some success stories out there?

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      01.09.10, 03:53 PM Flag
    • Ok, I'll do some writer-directors: Jane Campion. Nora Ephron. Nancy Meyers. Sophia Coppola. Mira Nair.

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      01.09.10, 03:58 PM Flag
    • Sappho had a daughter.

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      01.09.10, 04:13 PM Flag
      • Louise Bourgeois, Sonia Delaunay and George Sand

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        01.09.10, 04:38 PM Flag
    • Annie Proulx and Nancy Pelosi each have 5 children.

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      01.09.10, 05:08 PM Flag
      • Are they also artist?

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        01.09.10, 06:13 PM Flag
        • E. Annie Proulx is a writer

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          01.09.10, 06:28 PM Flag
          • ^^^ Brokeback Mountain is her story.

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            01.09.10, 06:29 PM Flag
            • She's a TERRIBLE writer...just goes for the Jerry Springer outlandish stuff

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              07.02.10, 07:16 AM Flag
              • np: I think Proulx is a good writer (craft-wise) but really, really depressing. She's like the female Sam Shepard. Okay, lady, we get it: Bleak, western people are bleak and western.

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                07.02.10, 07:30 AM Flag
    • Alice Walker is successful, sane & has a daughter who is also a writer.

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      01.09.10, 05:11 PM Flag
      • Who is ungrateful and nasty (the daughter)

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        01.09.10, 05:17 PM Flag
        • sounds like she put her daughter through some stuff, though

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          01.10.10, 05:50 PM Flag
    • Wendy Wasserstein RIP

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      01.09.10, 05:16 PM Flag
    • op these are great everyone- sane and successful...keep them coming.

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      01.09.10, 05:17 PM Flag
    • Alice Munro; Paula Fox (who gave her first child up for adoption and, reconnecting many years later, discovered she was Courtney Love's grandmother); transcendentalist write,r Margaret Fuller; Patti Smith

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      01.09.10, 05:17 PM Flag
    • Toni Morrison, Gwendolyn Brooks

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      01.09.10, 05:18 PM Flag
    • Toni Morrison, Hae-Seok Rah

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      01.09.10, 05:19 PM Flag
    • MFK Fisher

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      01.09.10, 05:21 PM Flag
    • photographer Dorothea Lange

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      01.09.10, 05:22 PM Flag
    • Me! Well, not really. I am a writer and a mother but I'm not famous at all. Anyway... as I pondered this question, I was surprised by how many women writers/artists I thought of who were NOT mothers. Does having children quench the creative fire? I wonder this as my 8 yo dd gets out of bed for the 10th time...

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      01.09.10, 06:04 PM Flag
      • LOL! I used to be an actress until the baby. Ahh...the salad days.

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        01.09.10, 06:10 PM Flag
        • To say as I said then! ;) Life was so much easier and you didn't even know it.

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          01.09.10, 06:15 PM Flag
          • well said sister, well said. :)

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            01.09.10, 06:28 PM Flag
    • ayelet waldman :) lots of writers. actresses too.

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      01.09.10, 06:32 PM Flag
    • Madonna

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      01.09.10, 06:40 PM Flag
      • Mother and Artist are both generous terms.

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        01.09.10, 06:46 PM Flag
    • maya angelou, louise nevelson, faith ringgold

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      01.09.10, 08:35 PM Flag
    • Isabelle Allende

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      • good one NP. She wrote a whole book about her dd...

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        01.09.10, 08:40 PM Flag
    • Anne Lamott

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      01.09.10, 08:56 PM Flag
      • Colette, Erica Jong, Nora Ephron, Joyce Maynard, Anne Lamott, Alice Walker, Elaine May, Carrie Fisher.

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        01.10.10, 12:56 AM Flag
        • Alice Walker is like Sylvia Plath: not a good example. Walker disowned her daughter when she had a daughter herself. Evidently she had regretted becoming a mother and would have preferred to simply be able to focus on her writing. Her daughter accuses her of emotional neglect all of those years and says that Walker would often leave her alone for weeks on end as a preteen with money for food to fend for herself while Walker went on travels and conferences. Walker disowned her daughter for having a child because she says that she'd hoped her daughter would have sense enough to not have children and pursue the arts instead. This is according to an article written by her daughter.

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          01.10.10, 01:50 PM Flag
          • anne lamott is kind of a walking train wreck as well. oh, and her new novel blows.

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            01.10.10, 03:28 PM Flag
    • Hi DT - It's AS... I'm up at this ungodly hour nursing S who has been waking up at night again! Artemisia Gentileschi was an artist and a mostly single mother in the 17th c. Hope to see you and E at SM on Monday!!! I've been wanting to talk about your project with you.

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      01.10.10, 01:40 AM Flag
    • Elizabeth Murray

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      01.10.10, 07:37 AM Flag
      • Love her. I think she died recently.

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        07.04.10, 11:44 AM Flag
    • Martha Mayer Erlebacher

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      01.10.10, 07:38 AM Flag
    • Rachel Feinstein, Sylvia Plachy (sp).

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      01.10.10, 08:55 AM Flag
      • these are really good, thanks everyone. If you think of more send them along...

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        01.10.10, 10:48 AM Flag
        • The interesting ones to me are the 19th century writers who broke out (and often died tragically). I'm thinking of Charlotte Bronte and Margaret Fuller as examples. And then there are the ones who didn't break out, writing fully about life without experiencing all of life: Jane Austen and Emily Dickinson come to mind. (np)

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          01.10.10, 11:10 AM Flag
        • Mary Kelly (check out Post-Partum Document), Dorothea Rockburne, Julia Kristeva (wrote on Bellini and motherhood while pregnant), Niki de Saint-Phalle, Martha Rosler, Cecily Brown, Anne Truitt, Agnes Varda...several other contemporary artists + Berthe Morisot, Julia Margaret Cameron, etc.

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          01.10.10, 01:58 PM Flag
          • Susan Sontag was a mother, as is Annie Leibowitz,

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            01.10.10, 02:03 PM Flag
          • op Mary Kelly (check out Post-Partum Document), Dorothea Rockburne, Julia Kristeva (wrote on Bellini and motherhood while pregnant), Niki de Saint-Phalle, Martha Rosler, Cecily Brown, Anne Truitt, Agnes Varda...several other contemporary artists + Berthe Morisot, Julia Margaret Cameron, etc.

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            01.10.10, 02:28 PM Flag
            • Op - I think many of these women are not mothers, Dorothea Rockburne, Martha Rosler, Cecily Brown...?

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              01.10.10, 02:30 PM Flag
          • Rockburne, Brown, and Rosler are not mothers

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            01.10.10, 02:42 PM Flag
            • I thought the quilt Rauschenberg used in Bed was one DR used with her child, no? and Brown was pregnant at the ADAA fair last year.

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              01.10.10, 06:21 PM Flag
              • Rosler is a mother too. she has a son.

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                01.10.10, 06:28 PM Flag
        • Diane Arbus

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          01.10.10, 06:57 PM Flag
    • J.K. Rowling!

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      01.10.10, 01:59 PM Flag
      • Oh. and see this is why I'll probably never write a children's book. I just don't respect the genre. Its not as though they're real writers or anything, I don't care how popular their books are. I know that's awful.

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        01.10.10, 02:05 PM Flag
        • when was the last time you read young adult literature? what genres do you read and like and respect?

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          01.10.10, 02:13 PM Flag
          • Okay, I do think C.S. lewis is a genuis. I loved the entire chronicles of Narnia and read them again about 5 christmases ago. I have read J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter series(the first 3) more so because I love reading overall and I wanted to see what the fuss was about. I loved a good portion of the classics in Childrens & YA lit: Judy Blum, Beverly Cleary, shel siverstein, I could even take R.L. Stine. Its this new junk that seems like kiddie soap operas, like the Gossip Girls that threw me and then Rowling made Potter grow up which took away the magic for me. In terms of adult lit, I have a thing for contemporary and magical realism (I'm not talking about dwarves & fairies junk). My favorite author is Gabriel Garcia Marquez, followed by To...

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            01.10.10, 02:48 PM Flag
            • cut off: toni morrison, isabel allende, edwidge danticat...you catch the overall flow. Perhaps I don't have a thing against childrens/YA lit, perhaps I just don't like Rowling. Stinky thing she did making Potter grow up.

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              01.10.10, 02:51 PM Flag
            • Try the Golden Compass series. Really great.

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              01.10.10, 11:30 PM Flag
        • I doubt your respect is any of her concern. She needed to feed her kids, she wrote a book, and now is set for life, as are her children, many times over!

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          01.10.10, 02:41 PM Flag
          • Well great-but will it be loved 50 years from now? More than likely not. She's no Louisa May Alcott, Lewis Carroll, or C.S. lewis, she's not even a Roald Dahl!

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            01.10.10, 02:55 PM Flag
            • She may not be a classical novelist but she is a famous writer. And what are you?

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              01.10.10, 02:59 PM Flag
              • Oh my, I'm sorry I insulted the author of perhaps the only books with no pictures that you've ever read.

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                01.10.10, 03:03 PM Flag
                • I detest those who make a stink about something they admittedly don't care for and in the process lump different genres of literature together. Take your negative opinion and shove it. We can all read, you imbecile. You weren't asked for your critique on whether a writer belongs here!

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                  01.10.10, 03:11 PM Flag
                  • Ahh,using big words! Your teachers down at the adult high school would be so proud.

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                    01.10.10, 03:19 PM Flag
            • I think so. Harry Potter changed children's literature in a huge way.

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              01.10.10, 03:20 PM Flag
            • Of course she'll be loved and remember in 50 years. Longer than that. She did more to promote literacy among young people in this country than anyone ever has before.

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              07.02.10, 08:26 AM Flag
        • Wow. Not real writers? Is that really what you're saying? I think it's really hard to write quality YA and children's fiction.

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          01.10.10, 03:19 PM Flag
          • OR- I said that I felt awful about it. I don't know. It is probably really bad for me because on a professional level, my mentor had said that YA and/or children's fiction would be a good avenue for me. Funnily enough, I thought he was insulting me...evidently he was not.

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            01.10.10, 03:28 PM Flag
            • I'm just surprised. There is so much great YA and children's fiction out there, really high quality stuff. Why is it less impressive just because it's for children?

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              01.10.10, 06:31 PM Flag
              • np. I write fiction for adults and for young adults and for middle school children. I must admit that the greatest literary challenge for a fiction writer is creating stories for young readers. It's the most difficult thing I've ever had to do in my career, and also, the most rewarding.

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                07.02.10, 08:30 AM Flag
        • Read Paula Fox.

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          01.10.10, 05:15 PM Flag
        • Well, maybe. But the real reason you'll never write a children's book is because you cannot possibly be good writer with such a close minded attitude. How can you judge a whole genre like that? So shallow and superficial.

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          07.02.10, 08:28 AM Flag
        • Psychology 101: this stems from your lack of confidence you have in yourself and your abilities than to how worthy the genre is.

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          07.02.10, 05:59 PM Flag
    • Vanessa Beecroft

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      01.10.10, 02:11 PM Flag
      • Op Does anyone know if writers Alice Munro, Gwendolyn Brooks, Flannery O'conner, Joyce Carol Oates, Louise Erdrich, or artists Rosemarie Trockel, Sam Taylor-Wood, Pae White, Lynda Benglis, Sherrie Levine have children?

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        01.10.10, 02:38 PM Flag
        • Yes for Munro, Brooks, Erdrich

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          01.10.10, 03:10 PM Flag
        • Sam Taylor-Wood is a mother

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          01.10.10, 06:30 PM Flag
      • How about Alice Munro, Edna St. Vincent Millay, Lynda Benglis, Sherriw Levine, Pae White, Amy Bloom, Joyce Carol Oates- does anyone know if they have any children?

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        01.10.10, 02:45 PM Flag
        • Joyce Carol Oates does not have kids.

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          01.10.10, 02:49 PM Flag
        • google is your friend.

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          01.10.10, 03:25 PM Flag
    • Annie Leibovitz.

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      01.10.10, 03:00 PM Flag
    • Bjork

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      01.10.10, 03:01 PM Flag
    • Grandma Moses?

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      01.10.10, 06:16 PM Flag
    • Jennifer Weiner, Meg Wolitzer, Jennifer Belle, Jennifer Egan, AM Holmes

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      01.10.10, 06:31 PM Flag
      • np: Love Wolitzer. I know Jennifer Weiner was a writer before being a mother. You think that makes a difference? I think it does somehow, since she'd already arrived, if you will. Either way I totally respect mom's who are artists.

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        07.04.10, 12:08 PM Flag
    • Alice Neel. Frances Hodgson Burnett (who wrote The Secret Garden, among other novels). Yoko Ono.

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      01.10.10, 06:32 PM Flag
    • Q to OP: What are you going to do with this information?

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      01.10.10, 06:36 PM Flag
      • op hi, thanks again everyone, I have googled many of these names but many times it is impossible to find out if these women are mothers. As for the information, I am gathering the list for personal inspiration but am also thinking about doing a ongoing website on artist/writer mothers

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        01.10.10, 07:15 PM Flag
    • Joan Didion

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      01.10.10, 10:28 PM Flag
    • Artemisia Gentileschi: famous painter, told stories of heroic women, working single mother 400 years ago - she had 5 children, but only two survived to adulthood. Famous in her time, she was then lost to history until the early 1900's - check out the new documentary about her - www.awomanlikethatfilm.com

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      07.02.10, 07:23 AM Flag
    • Two very interesting reads: A biography of Berthe Morisot, French Impressionist painter and mother, and Tillie Olsen's Silences, about trying to be a writer while challenged with the tasks of motherhood and childcare.

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      07.02.10, 09:29 AM Flag
    • Vita Sackville West,

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      07.02.10, 04:18 PM Flag
      • ^^^Margaret Atwood, Dorothy L. Sayers, AS Byatt, Margaret Drabble,

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        07.02.10, 05:39 PM Flag
  • [-]Are there any LA moms on here who know anything about good private schools? I need some basic info. I don't have any friends with kids and I am having trouble finding any good schools, and LAUSD is horrific. TIA for ANY information you can possibly come up with!!!

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    • I might be able to help. We just moved from LA, where my kids were in private.

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      04.13.10, 12:31 PM Flag
      • What area did you live in? Where did your kids go? What are some good preschools? Are there any in the Santa Monica area or will I have to commute to BH or the valley?

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        04.13.10, 12:37 PM Flag
        • ^^oh, and what are the top private high schools? what are the feeder schools? How much better would you say it is than if we moved to BH and sent kids to public?

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          04.13.10, 12:38 PM Flag
          • We lived on the westside and kids went to school at one of the progressive private schools on the westside. Some preschools in SM are Circle of Children, the Growing Place, Evergreen, Early Years. Also might want to check out Little Dolphins in the Palisades. Are you looking at progressive or traditional schools? Progressive schools include Crossroads, New Roads, Wildwood, Willows, and PS 1. For traditional it's Brentwood, Harvard Westlake, Marlbourgh.

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            04.13.10, 03:48 PM Flag
            • Definitely traditional. I am slightly interested in montessori but it seems hard to find a true montessori. Are Brentwood etc. strictly High School? Are there K-8's or do they switch Elementary to Middle to High school like public? What schools feed into the more traditional private high schools?

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              04.13.10, 04:13 PM Flag
              • Marlbourgh is all girls 7-12, Harvard Westlake is co-ed from 7-12, Brentwood is co-ed from K-12.

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                04.14.10, 06:50 AM Flag
                • OMG.. in love with Brentwood. Do you know anything about their applications process?

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                  04.14.10, 04:24 PM Flag
                  • NP: What ages are your kids and do you live in LA now or are you moving here? I'm a little confused by your post. Brentwood is very difficult to get into and has a traditional application process with parent interview/child evaluation. They require longer essays than some schools. They get about 250-300 apps for Kindergarten, which has 44 slots, at least half of which go to siblings/alumni/faculty kids.

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                    04.15.10, 01:05 AM Flag
                    • The above list of Santa Monica preschools is good, and I'd add Blueberry Atelier and First Pres to the list. All these preschools are also very difficult to get into (to varying degrees). There's a book called Coping with Preschool Panic that can help you with the preschool thing - gives overviews of schools. Another book called Beyond the Brochure can help with applying to private schools K and up - but that's more about getting in and less about the differences in the schools.

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                      04.15.10, 01:11 AM Flag
                      • Actually, if you are into traditional schools you might prefer Sunshine in Brentwood to some of the other preschools mentioned above. Growing Place/Evergreen/Blueberry/First Pres are all more progressive and influenced by Reggio, which is an approach to early childhood education from Reggio Emilia Italy that is very popular here in LA.

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                        04.15.10, 01:14 AM Flag
                        • Have you checked out the Whitney Guide to Private Schools? There's also a great book called "Beyond the Brochure" about LA private schools.

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