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  • [-]Have you ever met some parents, and thought hope my dc never becomes friends with their kids? I've met quite a few and think it's sad that I came to the conclusion within minutes of meeting them ... some people are just plain WEIRD

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    11.20.09, 07:20 AM [ Flag ]
    • Sometimes those kids are the sweetest things you ever met, but I do agree some parents are a real turn off

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      11.20.09, 07:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • this year ds and I have been on the same page. all the kids he has mentioned liking seem to have parents that I like. I guess the apples are not falling far from the trees.

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      11.20.09, 07:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • op: Pretty much most of dc's friends are just great. Most of them have parents I get along with; but some others clearly have psych problems. I met this one mom after a playdate, and she didn't even say hi. The kids is just a darling.

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        11.20.09, 07:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Oh, that's not "weird" that's crazy. Bid diff. I thought you were talking about artsy-fartsy types, which is cool with me. If someone's spaced out/rude/scary, that's a different story.

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          11.20.09, 08:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • OK - so the CRAZY people - I mean these people are so out there that crazy is not the word to describe them. For example, I went to a party a few weeks ago, and all the host mom could talk about was that she went to Cornell, and her experience at Cornell. Who gives a hoot?

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            11.20.09, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • BTDT, ds is in 5th grade- the wierdos just might grow on you. Be nice to everyone, you never know who your friends, or your kids friends will be.

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      11.20.09, 07:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ita - not even to 5th yet, but I have come to really like and become friends with some of those who have weird written all over them. I also like dc to see that its okay to be quirky.

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        11.20.09, 07:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Op: I'm sorry I didnt mean to refer to the quirky lot - I meant those people who think they are better than you. I actually find the artsy crowd to be very down-to earth

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          11.20.09, 12:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • honey, i prefer the WEIRD. it's the uptight ones that scare the heck out of me. consider this - you probably have friends who have different ideologies than their parents. i know i have friends like that.

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      11.20.09, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i wonder if we have the same or different definitions of wierd. do you mean artsy? do you mean hippies? someone who acts like they are high as a kite?

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        11.20.09, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: certainly weird can describe many things, but i prefer all 3 options you presented to stuck-up, dull, or overbearing

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          11.20.09, 10:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OP: I was definitely referring to the idiots who think they are too high and mighty .. you know those stuffy folk, who are trust fund babies, and have no idea that there are millions of other people in the orld who haven't had that experience

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          11.20.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • There is so far only one mom who I do not care for in my dc's class. Our children play together often at school. My thought is to kill her with kindness. I don't want to be her friend, but she does not have to know that, especially if our children get along well.

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      11.20.09, 10:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I think so about a particular mom whose dc is friends with ds. Each time I see her, I ask when the next playdate is ... she never wants anyone over

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        11.20.09, 12:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • So we're new to the school this year, and one mom asked me who I was - I told her I was ds' mom. She said Girl or boy? I said Boy - she said "Oh - my daughter only knows girls". Sheesh. Who says that? I mean it doesn't matter what sex your dc is, he/she should be able to recognize that there is an addition to their class.

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      11.20.09, 12:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • That could have been me. I think she's just apologizing for not knowing who you are because her dd doesn't ever talk about kids of the opposite sex, and maybe you just didn't register at that moment. I've done that and then felt REALLY badly afterwards because it was at dropoff and I wasn't caffeinated....

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        11.20.09, 02:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]what time do your school age children go to bed? I have found that some of the children in my dd and ds respective classes who have problems tend to go to bed on the later side. I am big believer it should be between 7 and 8 (closer to 7). Thoughts?

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    11.19.09, 03:54 PM [ Flag ]
    • My niece (5 years old) would tend to confirm your theory. She is very poorly behaved and goes to bed late. My sister insists that she has a bedtime but I don't believe her, I know at family functions and on weekends she doesn't go to bed before 11.

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      11.19.09, 03:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 6 y/o dc goes to bed between 8 and 8:30. the dc in his class i would vote most likely to become a sociopath goes to bed whenever he wants or whenever mom can deal. usually at least 10, sometimes later.

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      11.19.09, 03:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: wow, 10 is late for a 6 yo. i think different kids probably need different amounts of sleep, but not having a bedtime at all or a really late bedtime that's convenient for the parents is probably an indicator of a family situation that may not be the most conducive to good behavior. my 5 yo goes to bed at 8.

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        11.19.09, 04:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • What age are you talking about? I think sleep deprivation is a big issue for my 13 year old. I try to get her to bed by 9 and often settle for 9:30 or 10PM (up at 6:40AM). It's not enough sleep for her.

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      11.19.09, 04:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • My 13 yo goes to sleep at 10:30 and 15 yo at 11pm, they both wake at 6:30am. They are actually getting more sleep than their friends.

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        11.19.09, 07:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 6 yo, 7pm to bed, read for about 20 minutes.

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      11.19.09, 04:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • to bed 7yo 9:30pm; 9yo 10:00pm and sleep about a half hour later. My dc have never needed much sleep unfortunately. They do not have behavioral or academic issues, just low sleep requirement like their dad.

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      11.19.09, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Are they short? Do they get colds?

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        11.19.09, 04:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • dd is 50% for height, ds is 90% so not short. they rarely get sick. in the past year, i did not have to take either for a sick visit to ped.

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          11.19.09, 04:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Is there a link between lack of sleep and being short?

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          11.19.09, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Are they on the heavy side? Kids who get less sleep tend to be more obese.

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        11.19.09, 05:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • no, both slender and I usually have to buy slim pants for both. dd is 50% weight, ds is 75%. their sleep is meeting their needs. they need 9-9.5 hrs regardless of season, day of the week, bedtime. even this past summer when they could sleep in every day if they wanted, they were always up consistently after 9-9.5hrs. It stands to reason that an average sleep will have dc on both sides of the spectrum with higher/lower sleep needs. Mine have lower needs. DH is the same and never needs more than 5hrs a night. I need 8-9hrs so it sucks for me, but they are all perfectly happy.

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          11.19.09, 05:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: same here. my 4.5yo goes to bed at 9pm. I never have to wake him for school...he's up by 7 every day. just does not need sleep. not fat or short and no problems at school.

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            11.19.09, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 5 yr old used to go to be at 8 but since starting K, it's 7, and she falls right asleep.

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      11.19.09, 04:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Falling asleep is one thing, but how on earth do you get a school age child to bed at 7? I come from a country where kids stay up late and never had a bedtime--certainly didn't hurt me any at academically! I think 7 or 7:30 past babyhood or young toddlerhood is ridiculous, but if it works for your kids and you can do it, great.

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        11.19.09, 04:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • My kids go to bed at 7:00pm, but they get up at 6:00am everyday.

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          11.19.09, 04:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • check your ped's rec for sleep hrs in a night...

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          11.19.09, 04:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: If your kids get up at 6, they may need to go to bed at 7. Mine sleep till 7 or 7:15, so 8:30 is reasonable. They always wake up naturally so I don't think they need more time.

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            11.19.09, 05:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I live in a place where the sun comes up at 5:00 (actually around 4:50). Everyone is awake before 6 am, so my kids are definitely ready for bed by 7:00 or 7:30. Some people here put their kids to bed even earlier.

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          11.19.09, 07:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i never had a strict bedtime, used to play outside until 6, eat, then play until 8, and go to sleep around 9 or 10. Even if I would've slept 10 hours, I would still be up at 7, which is plenty of time to get ready for school at 8:30. same with all my siblings and all the other immigrant parent kids i know.

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      11.19.09, 04:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • my dcs go to bed about 9:30. They are definitely tired in the morning. ON weekends, though, they wakes up ridiculously early on their own! Between one thing and another it is almost impossible to get them to sleep earlier. I know people say that makes us terrible parents, so be it. They are sweet as can be and absolutely no behavior problems and incredibly energetic when I see them at home in the afternoons--play nonstop--but they are definitely hard to get up so I assume more sleep would be good.

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      11.19.09, 04:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My four year old goes to bed between 8-9pm and takes a two hour nap. No behavior problems.

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      11.19.09, 04:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ha-ha-ha! wait until school starts, toots. you're gonna wanna shoot yourself.

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        11.19.09, 04:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: why? this discribes my ds too.

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          11.19.09, 04:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • because napping in kindergarten isn't an option. and then you'll be stuck trying to get a cranky, sleep-deprived dc adjusting to school on a new sleep schedule. translation: nightmare.

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            11.19.09, 04:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I don't think so. First of all, its still 10 months away so he might outgrow the nap by then. Even if he doesn't he can make it until 3:00 when schools out and then nap at home. He sometimes has to be on this schedule now and its fine.

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              11.19.09, 04:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • right. good luck with that.

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                11.19.09, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • Why are you so negative? Some dcs outgrown naps at 2.5 or 3 or 4 or 5. OR's might outgrown it this year.

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                  11.19.09, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • sweet cheeses. why the attitude?

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                  11.19.09, 05:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • np. i have to say that every mom i ever knew who let their dcs go to bed whenever and nap at age four were slammed when they had to suddenly deal with school. i'm not saying dcs can't grow out of naps and suddenly start going to bed at a consistent and reasonable hour at age 5. but it's not usually the case when it's been that long of go with the flow. just posting an observation

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                    11.19.09, 05:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • my dc had a two hour nap when in prek---the absence of nap has just moved her bedtime up. not a problem otherwise.

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        11.19.09, 04:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • according to the aap, dcs between the ages of 3 and 10 need 10-12 hours of sleep per night.

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      11.19.09, 04:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • How old in school? My 5 and 8 year old go to bed at 8, my 11 year old at 8:45. They all have to get up by 6:45, and if they go to bed late they are TIRED.

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      11.19.09, 04:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My DH is from an immigrant family, he is Indian. He never had a bedtime and thinks it was really bad for him as a kid, he thinks it stunted his emotional and physical growth. He wants to make sure that our DD (she is a baby right now) has an early bedtime.

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      11.19.09, 04:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i'm immigrant girl who responded above...indian too. i'm guessing your dh is a family of all boys?

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        11.19.09, 04:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 3.7 year old, preschool ds goe to bed at 6:15, up at 6-6:30. just dropped his nap, and making it til 6pm is hard! he needs his sleep!

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      11.19.09, 04:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • wow that's a lot of sleep if you include the nap. sad my dd dropped her nap before 3 goes to bed at 7 7:30 and up at 6:45

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        11.19.09, 06:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • my 6 year old is in bed between 8-8:30, up anywhere between 6:45 and 7:30. if i put her to bed earlier,she most likely would not sleep and i would hardly see her at all m-f. schedule works for us.

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      11.19.09, 04:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • My 5 yr old ds goes to bed every night at 7:00-7:15pm every night, including reading time.

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        11.19.09, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • This is me. I work full time so I don't want to get home and immediately have to put her to sleep so I put my 3.9 year old to bed between 8:30 and 9 and she wakes up around 7:15. She's well behaved and her teachers say she's a joy in preschool so I see no problems. On the weekends we generally let her stay up as late as she wants so we can all hang out so it's closer to 11 with her waking up around 9is. It works for us as well.

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        11.19.09, 05:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 7-7:30 for K

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      11.19.09, 05:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • my 7.5yo goes to bed at 8pm. She is well rested and very happy.

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      11.19.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Thoughts? I think you are an extremely judgmental sanctimommy. I love that you are evaluating kids in your children's classes for "problems" and collecting data on their bedtimes. Forget that cause and effect might not be operating in exactly the way you seem to be concluding, as in "parents who are not as effective as I am in getting my children to sleep at an extremely early hour are making us ALL pay the price". No? Am I reading this wrong?

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      11.19.09, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • she's not hiding her correlation and judgment. i totally agree with her btw!

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        11.19.09, 06:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • not op, but get the large stick out of your big bum and get with the program. this is ub. if you don't want to play along, go find a non-fair-trade coffee producer to picket or something. you're no fun.

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        11.19.09, 06:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Sorry, yes I see it is a full-blown sancti-mommy party! Have fun now ladies: one day you'll realize how little control you've had over it all, so you might as well keep pretending for as long as you can.

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          11.19.09, 06:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I get home at 7, so wouldn't work for us. Can't imagine getting them in that early even if I had better hours. If early works for you, great.

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      11.19.09, 06:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • it's what works for your dcs, not what works for you.

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        11.19.09, 06:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: It's whatever works for the family. You have to balance everyone's needs.

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          11.19.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • no. in the case of sleep, which is crucial for a growing dc, you don't skimp on it for the convenience of the parents.

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            11.19.09, 06:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Huh? Parents have to make a living, if they don't walk into the door until 7 it is obviously not possible for dc to be in bed then. Half hour to talk to mom about your day is very important for a 5-7 yo, too.

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              11.19.09, 06:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • they can talk to mom and dad in the morning then. if you are propping dcs' eyes open up so you can actually see them conscious for two minutes a night you need to re-think your priorities. move closer to work, figure out a way to juggle your schedules (mom goes in at 8 and is home by 6, dad goes in at 9 and is home by 7). make some sacrifices that don't involve your dcs' health and well-being.

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                11.19.09, 06:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • NP: everything isn't that cut and dry. Earning a living to provide for your kids is a priority.

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                  11.19.09, 06:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • ITA. I love it when people are like, "Why don't you just move closer to work?" Thanks, I never thought of that! I do hope the price of an apt. in Midtown drops soon.

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                    11.20.09, 06:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • you are a nut. 8ish bedtime is fine for kids

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                  11.19.09, 06:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • The OR did not say her children are suffering because of their bedtime. Why are you assuming that they are? If my dc went to bed earlier, she would wake up earlier and not sleep longer, so why change her bedtime? No need to change bedtime if works for kid/family.

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                  11.20.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • there is no indication in this OR's reply that her dc are skimping on sleep. even if they are asleep by 9am, perhaps they don't need to be up until 7 or 8am and are still getting 10-11 hrs. you have NO idea.

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              11.19.09, 06:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Me too, but our nanny puts the kids to bed and I sneak in. Unfortunately, if the kids know I'm home, they won't go to bed until 9.

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        11.19.09, 06:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • If your nanny is putting the kids to bed do you get to see them awake M-F? Not flaming, just wondering how this works and if you are all together in the AM.

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          11.20.09, 12:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My dd, 4. goes to bed between 7 & 7:30 and honestly by 6:30 she's tired. She has a friend, 4, who is unbelievably undisciplined and is constantly acting up and he goes around 11. He gets up 7.

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      11.19.09, 06:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • 5 and 7 y.o. are in bed by 7 and asleep by 7:30 (8 at the absolute latest)

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      11.19.09, 06:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Ideally I agree with this...unfortunately I work and commute.

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      11.20.09, 06:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  • [-]Are most kids heading into kindergarten reading?

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    11.16.09, 09:09 PM [ Flag ]
    • None of mine were, and it was not a big deal, tt.

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      11.16.09, 09:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Mine was but he was the only one of his friends, all of whom seem just as bright and started at different stages soon enough after entering. I think it's just like kids learning to walk at different stages, etc. Everyone (with the means and encouragement) learns to read and walk eventually and it doesn't mean anything much exactly when, imo.

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      11.16.09, 09:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • some do, but they typically run into walls or doors.

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      11.16.09, 09:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i don't think so. ds started reading his preK year and that did not seem to be common at all. but now part way through K, there are definitely a lot more.

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      11.16.09, 10:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • No, they are not, but most leave K reading in public school. I started reading at age 3, but that's not very common (nor does it mean I'm a genuis :-))

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      11.17.09, 03:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • i'm with you. i was verbal/reading early and i'm no genius. in fact, i stink at math. math is far more important in life. everyone in the normal range eventually starts to communicate, but some, like me continue to stink at math.

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        11.17.09, 06:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • not most but a few are. One of mine was and one wasn't. They both read beautifully now.

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      11.17.09, 05:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Not in my dc's K class - but they all came out reading.

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      11.17.09, 05:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • About 1/3 of DD's K class came in reading this year. UB "2nd tier".

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      11.17.09, 06:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • wow. how do you even know that? I have no idea whether other dcs in my dc's class are reading.

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        11.17.09, 06:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Mostly be talking with other parents. DD reads, and a bunch of other parents asked me about it - it seems that she was reading to other DCs. Very small class, info travelled quickly.

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          11.19.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Mine was not and we were told by the teacher 6 weeks in that child should have been sent to school reading - this is at NEST - it was news to us and we have spent the last few months doubling up the reading to catch up. Fortunately, this seems to have worked.

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      11.19.09, 04:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • my dd is at hunter and didn't start reading till 1st grade - not a problem, now in 11th grade & looking at colleges!

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        11.19.09, 06:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • that is weird. My child didn't read heading into K (Nest) and teacher never said she should be reading before K. Some kids did read but at the end of K my DD was reading as well or better than those kids...

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        11.19.09, 07:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • My older daughter didn't read until the middle of first grade (she was 7); she went to Harvard and Harvard Law School! Younger was reading at 4; went to Amherst. Age they start reading is irrelevant.

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      11.19.09, 04:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • thank you.

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        11.19.09, 05:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Exactly. General rule is if they're not reading fluently by third grade there's a problem. I'm bothered by the Nest post. You want to create a lifetime love of reading so you don't push it until kid is ready. Neither of my kids were reading at the start of K but by 2nd grade were both reading several grades above.

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        11.19.09, 05:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • that was us we were po'd but hey that is what we signed the kid up for - there are a dozen other schools we could have chosen; we figured the child is bright better to have him pushed than accomodated.

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          11.19.09, 06:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ... and to be fair we hand the child a level c book he reads it asks a couple of words, we ask him what the book is about and he understand - so I guess what they / we are doing works - can't speak to the love part we'll find that out when our son writes a book about his childhood.

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            11.19.09, 06:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • sigh. This is such a mistake though. If there IS a problem, you don't want to wait til 3rd grade. The really important thing is whether they're progressing at a good rate, whether they're decoding -- things that indicate they *will* read w/out a problem. But if there *is* a problem, u want to catch it in 1st grade.

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          11.19.09, 08:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ITA. Niece and nephew are dyslexic - she hid it until the end of 2nd grade (very smart DC and remembered everything she heard), now in 7th and still behind, even after years in a special school and a lot of support. Because their parents knew what to look for, her brother was diagnosed at the beginning of 1st, transferred to a special school and should be mainstreamed after 2-3 years.

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            11.19.09, 08:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I think many children go into K with recognition of capital letters. Some children learn sight words and small letters prior to K. Some do read and many do not. There is a tremendous amount of pressure to want our kids to read early.

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        11.19.09, 05:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • not strictly true -- if dc is struggling in 1st grade, you shld pay attention, signed mom of dyslexic dc

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        11.19.09, 06:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • kids graduated college and you are still on kids topics? Good for you!

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        11.20.09, 12:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I hope not, my DS is at C and is not reading...(he is performing DNA experiments though)

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      11.19.09, 08:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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Are you or your partner ever naked in front of your children?

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