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- Yes, most of the time we really have fun together
- Sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's really dull and aggravating
- Honestly most of the time it's not fun at all, but it's not supposed to be fun
- I really don't enjoy it at all, and wish I could spend less time with them
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They're more pulpy propaganda. They had a big affect on the public, but that's not a criteria for being intellectual. It's B-grade stuff that people have latched onto. That's like saying "The Da Vinci Code" is high literature bc a zillion people read it.
[ Reply | More ]This is like saying the communist manifesto is not intellectual. You may not agree with it. And it's ridiculous. But the Da Vinci Code it is not.
[ Reply | More ]Conversely, every bookish 8th grader saying they LOVED Catcher In The Rye does not mean it's not a classic novel. Popular, and widely loved by the ignorant doesn't = NOT intellectual.
[ Reply | More ]When you make statements like this, it's nice to back it up with what YOU think is intellectual so we have some basis to judge your judgments. Anyone can rip apart something. FTR, I like Catcher in the Rye and always have. I love the depiction of NYC, his relationship with his sister and his general adolescent ennui.
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i don't either. i read them and (at the time---i was in my "i'm so much smarter than my parents b/c i'm a freshman in college" phase) really enjoyed them. they're trite. and tiresome. and not particularly earth shattering. so i'd never call them intellectual. but i did like them (more atlas shrugged than the fountainhead, fwiw)
[ Reply | More ]ITA signed, PhD in literature. Ayn Rand is a cultural phenomenon with which it is necessary to be familiar. She is not however the author of serious literature.
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Me, too. I love literature, am a compulsive reader and don't mind being challenged (I recently read Infinite Jest and enjoyed it) but I cannot penetrate Ulysses. I can't even get a couple of pages in. I've only met one person in my life who claims to have read the entire thing. I guess it's the kind of book that should be read in a class or with a group so you can really discuss it and figure it out together.
[ Reply | More ]check this one out: http://www.bartleby.com/142/72.html
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check this one out: http://www.bartleby.com/142/72.html
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"Infinite Jest," David Foster Wallace. I'm convinced that anyone who says they've read the entire thing is a liar.
[ Reply | More ]Thank you. I did actually finish the whole book and it pissed me off that I spent so much time on a book with no payoff.
[ Reply | More ]I read the whole thing (although I admit, I skipped some of the footnotes). I didn't get it, but some of the imagery still haunts me - particularly the guy who became homeless and had to kick heroin in a public bathroom.
[ Reply | More ]Someone on UB rec it to me as their fav book. I just couldn't do it. Gave up after page 10. Pretentious drivel.
[ Reply | More ]Oh, c'mon. Just because you don't like it or didn't get through it doesn't mean that others didn't. I read it recently (well, over six weeks and I'm a compulsive reader) and actually enjoyed it. It's well written, very funny and a fascinating story once you get into it. I would even venture to say it's brilliant, even if it's not my favorite book.
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Tropic of Cancer by Miller (what really killed me was watching all the pseudo intellectual undergrads trying to rationalize why it was ok that every fifth word in that book was the c-word.)
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did not like how everyone was beautiful EXCEPT the cuckolded husband. so i guess it's ok to cheat on your spouse if he/she is not as good looking as everybody else.
[ Reply | More ]Well, it's actually realistic. She wasn't attracted to her dh because he wasn't good looking (meaning would not produce as healthy offspring). The lover is good looking and healthier and would provide better offspring. It's biology. Why should it be only men who get to procreate with young, beautiful, healthy women? If the situation were reversed you wouldn't be surprised.
[ Reply | More ]get out of feminism/bbb 101. it was a marketing gimmick to make everyone kosher with the affair. i don't have an ethical repulsion to the affair, per se, but i am repulsed that they try to manipulate the audience that way. if a rather attractive woman finds herself in constant company of hot men, wouldn't she just marry one instead of marrying the lone ugly duckling then boinking the hotter ones after marriage?
[ Reply | More ]Depends on the situation. My aunt married a nice, not hot guy. She thought he was interesting. Then she ended up having an affair with a hot guy and leaving her dh. This was back in the 60s. Women are always pressured to get involved with men they are not attracted to to various reasons. Not just economic.
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Of course, the cuckolded husband is Colin Firth!! and look at Ralph Fiennes these days -- that should really be the lesson of this movie!
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Being John Malkovitch. I follow the story, but find it misanthropic and, after the first 30 mins, unimaginative.
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"The Trial." Orson Welles, Joseph Cotto , should be great -- but is the most baffling, boring thing I have ever seen. I've tried to watch it a few times & am instantly asleep, like it's sending out subliminal messages or something.
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Yeah, my mathematician husband (who LOVES it) rented it when I was ten days overdue and going out of my mind. Not a pleasant experience but I'm not able to separate what part of my distress was attributable to the movie or to the overdue baby. I don't think I can sit through it again to figure that out.
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NP: I would love for hear anyone's thoughts on what they think this movie (NCFOM) is about. I really loved both the film and the book, and I have some thoughts of what might be going on, but really am not sure. Anybody?
[ Reply | More ]What do you think it's about? I think it's fascinating because the good guy doesn't win in the end. The bad guy does. That's not typical. Usually the bad guy gets caught eventually. Even the good guy's wife dies.
[ Reply | More ]np. The good guy doesn't die, what are you talking about? The only good guy in the movie is the sheriff (Tommy Lee Jones), and neither he nor his wife dies. The hunter who found the money dies, yes, but he's not characterized as a good guy. He steals the money, doesn't report the crime to the police, hangs his wife out to dry, and his wife is complicit in the theft. Also, the hitman doesn't really win, at least not in the movie. And I wouldn't necessarily describe him as the bad guy. He's more like fate incarnate, dispensing consequences without conscience or mercy. I love most of the Coen brothers' movies, but I often find them overly black and white with the themes.
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really, I so do not get it. just looks like a lot of color and a stripe of another color to me
[ Reply | More ]art has "evolved". there is a need for something other than Renaissance style painting. Some of these paintings are made to COUNTER something else.
[ Reply | More ]What are your trying to say? of course art evolves and I do agree that there is a need for more than just renaissance style but I still do not understand rothko - and what do yo mean by they are made to counter something else, what another painting? bad wall placement in a home? not sure what you are trying to say
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np: Someone in my family said the same. Also, Rothko himself said he had seen this happen.
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Opera. I see all the drama, but the singing makes me cringe inside. I studied classical flute for years, but just don't enjoy this.
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Usual suspects, pulp fiction, star wars. Can't follow. Can't stay focused even though I want to.. And I have a BA with honors in philosophy and an MArch from Columbia.. Cant even figure out wtf usual suspects is even 'about.' My mind is constantly confused then drifting.
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Amores Perros. Hate that movie, and hated when everyone in college was going on and on about the metaphors and parallels also.
[ Reply | More ]I thought that was a beautiful and moving film. Gael Garcia Bernal was gorgeous in it too. To the poster above, most great works can be distilled into more or less simplistic themes. As far as "transparent anti-capitalist lecturing," you might say the same of Tolstoy's great works. It's the artistry that usually distinguishes the great ones.
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ok i know this isn't a masterpiece, but cold mountain annoyed. hurry up and get to her already!!!
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has nothing to do with art/intell. but to me Tilda Swinton is unwatchable.Unless they re-make Closs Encounters of the Third Kind--she would fit right in.
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