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Something for FANS OF PREPPING to consider. If you prep well enough to get into a TT private your DC will more than likely be counseled out if their performance is not equal to their entrance stats. Being counseled out is not the quiet, on the DL thing you had been led to believe it is. Everyone, classmates, teachers, parents know and the humiliation of that can be worse than going to 3rd tier.
21 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]I suspect the dcs who are counseled out are just as likely to have received 99s without prepping. Do you know why? Because testing a dc at age 4 is a silly notion and there are many, many smart kids who achieve academically because they are excellent readers (which probably translates better than anything else into academic success) but may not test as "gifted" at age 4. I know dcs who qualified for Hunter at age 4 but are struggling in school by 3rd grade. I guarantee you that rarely happens with the dcs who get into Hunter in 7th grade or tts in middle or high school. I bet a good % of those admits would not have received 99s on ERBS at age 4. Signed, mom who never had dcs tested, but thinks it's all a crock.
[ Reply | Options ]That does not dispute OP"s main point. Very smart kids actually do worse in school if they are not motivated, if the school cannot accommodate, or if they have social issues/behavioral issues, etc. There are MANY smart kids (who happen to test well which is the majority) who do quite well academically.
[ Reply | Options ]Yes, but many more smart kids, who do even better! academically who don't test well at age 4. Those are the kids the "tts" bring in for middle and high school. And the ones who enter Hunter in 7th grade. Again, my point is that if the test is a silly measurement, who cares if you "prepped" or not? Prepping will only help a kid who is smart to begin with, anyway, because it means they are quick learners.
[ Reply | Options ]FWIW, those DCs they brought in to our TT were the biggest bunch of cheaters any of us had ever encountered. Prepping happens in every generation at ALL levels. Even more in the higher grades when it becomes important. And two girls brought in MS were thrown out so that is no guarantee.
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Yes, but there are also the parents who will do anything to prop up their kids. It's starts with prepping for admissions and continues ad nauseum. Ask any teacher. It's the worst thing you can do to a dc's self esteem. It also teaches the kid (yes, they eventually figure this out), that cheating is ok, AND the kids never learn how to do things for themselves. I find it very short sighted.
[ Reply | Options ]testing at 4yo is not as accurate as testing at 7 or 8yo. BUT the majority of kids (over 50%) who test well at 4yo also test well at 8yo. There are some kids who don't test well at 4yo, of course. But that does not mean the majority of kids should suffer.
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The TTs take ERBs every year ladies. Why do you think that is. They are always measuring. Always.
[ Reply | Options ]And you believe that the vast majority of dcs' scores at age 9 or 10 remain very similar to the scores they received at age 4?
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But I was under the impression that the ERB test taken in later years (for example, in 4th grade) is much more of a reading comprehension test than the ERB given to 4 year olds. At least, I was told that my dc applying to 5th grade private would have to take the ERB, but my assumption was that it was quite different than the ERBs given to 4 year olds. Am I wrong?
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