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The fact is that schools promote their biggest donors to the best schools. So even if your kid is brilliant and at a TT school, if you are not a big donor to the TT or to the college, they are not going to push for you. Happened to us at HM.
42 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]you are using this as an excuse. College admissions are more independent than this.
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No, they're not. The college counselor at the TT school will not even recommend the top colleges to your kid if you are not a major donor or alum there. Trust me on this.
[ Reply | Options ]guess what! you don't have to apply only to those colleges recommended by the high school. You are totally wrong with this whole premise.
[ Reply | Options ]Right but say your kid, who gives little $$ to the school or the college, is applying, vs. other kid, perhaps with lower grades but whose fam built the library. Comprende?
[ Reply | Options ]again, maybe it matters at some schools that really need the $$$ and don't have other big donors, but this is simply not true at hyp
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btw, admissions today are much much more competitive than back then, and legacies matter much less (though they still matter)
[ Reply | Options ]ITA. Bush probably wouldn't have been admitted today. Remember, even though he was in the WH, only one of his two DCs got in.
[ Reply | Options ]weren't his dds already in college in 2000? either way, did jenna want yale? we don't know if she even applied. she seems very UT to me (not necessarily a bad thing).
[ Reply | Options ]You're right, they both took a year off to help him campaign between HS and college. So he had been Gov of Texas and they were 4th generation Yale when applying. If I had to guess, the Yale Admissions Office told Jenna not to apply, it would have been too embarrassing when she got rejected (really poor grades/SATs).
[ Reply | Options ](a) those are the ones you hear about - they aren't talking when DC is going to Nassau Community College; (b) despite what you might think, many of these people are very smart themselves - they probably wouldn't have been as successful without some semblance of a brain (although I'm not talking Paris Hilton-types, I'm talking Meryl Streep-types), (c) they could afford the best educations for their DCs from the start and you are paying attention to it, most people don't notice or care until someone's Dad shows up to speak at graduation.
[ Reply | Options ]well, it does seem like celeb offspring either go to Ivy or become DJs. In any event, you won't convince me that the offspring of Jack Nicholson and Rebecca Broussard is smart. Meryl Streep, yes, she went to Vassar and Yale before she was famous. That's how you know if someone is truly smart, and Ivy isn't just taking them bc s/he starred in Transformers 3. I went Ivy, there were plenty of stupid kids there with rich & famous parents. Contrary to popular belief, the hardest thing is getting in. Almost no one flunks out.
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just so you know. jack nicholson's dd is at brown. her mom is rebecca broussard. so is denzel's dd. now tell me again last name doesn't matter.
[ Reply | Options ]Brown has been that way for ages - JFK Jr, Diana Ross's DD, Rory Kennedy, Emma Watson. . . That said, one or two a year (at most), out of a class with hundreds of DCs doesn't really show a trend. My brother went to Brown - our Dad was NYPD. The one consistent factor is that the DCs they admit are smart enough to succeed at the school, and so are many of the DCs they reject.
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if your family built the library at the college they don't need the HS to push for them. if they built the library at the HS the college doesn't care. the HS is more concerned with the % accepts at top schools than with which kids they are. those acceptance numbers are what keeps people flocking to them
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I doubt Harvard is concerned about keeping Trinity or any other private happy. They'll get plenty of qualified applicants even if nobody in NYC applies. Therefore they can take who they want.
[ Reply | Options ]A TT guidance counselor is not going to push a big donor kid who is not qualified over students who are qualified. They would lose all credibility with the top schools.
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Sorry but I think the real answer here is either your child is NOT brilliant or you and dh are a PITA or most likely both of these factors.
[ Reply | Options ]Ok. Check back with me when your kid at the TT school starts getting told to apply to some crappy school even though he has kick-ass SATs.
[ Reply | Options ]So you believe that being at a tt and having good SATs means a child is automatically an excellent candidate for HYP? I really do get the need for defense mechanisms for coping with life's unpleasantries, but I don't get the need to convince the world at large that your coping mechanisms are reality.
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This is the premise of "The Price of Admission"- that legacy status, connections and "development potential" or donation potential trump smarts as an admission criteria at almost all elite colleges.
[ Reply | Options ]true. but Princeton's decision to admit a legacy moron is its own choice. It didn't succumb to pressure from moron's HS college admission counselor. That's the diff. The HS has its own interests to protect.
[ Reply | Options ]^^ I meant to add that top schools takes lots of smart kids based on grades/scores alone. money, legacy status, and connections will never trump brains. But if 2 applicants have the same grades/scores, then yes, those other things matter.
[ Reply | Options ]ITA. The top schools have so many qualified applicants they can't possibly admit them all. Therefore, a qualified leg or child of someone with status will have a leg up over a qualified nobody. This child will also have even more of a leg up because they have been given priviledges and opportunities that help them to shine. They may have traveled extensively, had an expensive private school education and/or access to internships or volunteer opportunities that appeal to colleges and make them appear more interesting. This is the way of the world and continues after college through grad school and jobs. To deny this is silly.
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