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If 99 x 3 on ERB is supposed to be top 1%, why does it seem like everyone's kids get this. Hard to believe parents would lie about this

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  • If 99 x 3 on ERB is supposed to be top 1%, why does it seem like everyone's kids get this. Hard to believe parents would lie about this

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    • You clearly haven't been on UB long enough. People lie.

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      11.03.09, 02:04 PM Flag
      • op: so then it is true that 99 x 3 ERB is rare and would stick out at admisions?

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        11.03.09, 02:05 PM Flag
        • No, I think it is more common in NYC (remember ERB is a national test) and is particularly common for older DDs. But it isn't as common as UB makes it sound. And it isn't more special than a 96, 97 or 98. You aren't getting in based on ERB; you just aren't ruled out at that level.

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          11.03.09, 02:08 PM Flag
          • That makes sense. It keeps all doors open but doesn't guarantee anything.

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            11.03.09, 02:10 PM Flag
          • np Our psd said 99x3 kids get a closer look. As for being "special", well, it's a MUCH higher score than a 96 when you look at the full scale out of 152. I believe kid needs at least 126 to get 99x3.

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            11.03.09, 02:21 PM Flag
          • nr: I find this very hard to believe. The erb is NOT a widely used test at all any more. The only people using it to my knowledge are those applying to private school. Since it is a bell curve grade it seems impossible to get the scores that people say they are all getting here. I don"t get it.

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            11.03.09, 02:29 PM Flag
            • They are all lying.

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              11.03.09, 02:30 PM Flag
              • fair enough. What I really want to know is at what score are you just screwed? I mean I don't think that anyone here is honest about that!

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                11.03.09, 02:34 PM Flag
                • np Depends on what you mean by "screwed". Very slim chance of tt? Below 95. Being shut out after applying to Dwight, Birch, Hewitt, etc? 70.

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                  11.03.09, 02:41 PM Flag
                  • You seem very honest to me so tell me: what is the bare minimum for a 2nd and 3rd tier. Thank you for being sane.

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                    11.03.09, 02:43 PM Flag
                    • 90/80. Of course there's always someone who gets into Collegiate (or wherever) with an 89, but in general, most kids at a given school have similar scores.

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                      11.03.09, 02:51 PM Flag
                      • NP: I have 3 in SS and am third generation native NYer and I would have to agree with above poster. Obviously none of us can say that every 95 and above goes to Spence but in general I would say these are a good guide to the spectrum fwiw

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                        11.03.09, 02:54 PM Flag
            • The erb is 8 subtests of the Wechsler--which is widely used.

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              11.03.09, 02:39 PM Flag
              • I am not an expert but it is variation on that test and not the same - they ask very different things. I still do not believe that that is widely used at all anymore but I am open to being wrong. Please tell me who is using this test - not NYS public schools

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                11.03.09, 02:42 PM Flag
                • Not so. Look at your kid's score report: It says "wppsi--III" right on it.

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                  11.03.09, 02:48 PM Flag
                  • My dc is taking shortly so I haven't seen this report but even if it is the wppsi - who is giving it? not nys publics. I just want to know where these"national" numbers are coming from.

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                    11.03.09, 02:51 PM Flag
        • Yes, it is rare. People here forget all about percentages. They think 1% of the DC population is in NYC

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          11.03.09, 02:11 PM Flag
    • look at it like this - 5000 dc take the ERB; 1% is still 50 kids. Now, rememeber that overall the kids taking the ERB in NYC for admission to private school are coming from educated parents, have gone to preschool, and are at every advantage when it comes to testing 4yos. They are not the national average. So the number socring in the top 1% nationwide, could easily be 100 or maybe even more.

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      11.03.09, 02:10 PM Flag
      • Yes but they are NOT ALL IN NYC

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        11.03.09, 02:12 PM Flag
        • 5000 dc take the ERB in NYC (or close to it).

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          11.03.09, 02:14 PM Flag
          • 'chose to' and many go on to public due to financing and many take it and finances change not every 50 (if indeed the top 1% only includes straight 99x3) is going to end up competing at admissions time. Half of those will be boys and there are many many private schools. It is juts not a threatening number no matter how you slice it.

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            11.03.09, 02:18 PM Flag
            • I bet it gets more common every year due to prepping. A few years ago, one DOA at a tt we interviewed at commented on it and made it sound like it was not that common. But part of me thinks she mentioned it to gauge our reaction or see if we boosted about it.

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              11.03.09, 02:25 PM Flag
              • Maybe. But when we were DCs everyone said their dc got top 1% or close to it, and there was prepping and tutors and the whole thing. My brother was top 1% and got in everywhere, that was unheard of even then. I still think its less common, but maybe not. I tend to think after 3rd grade when all the schools shake out people land where they belong on the whole

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                11.03.09, 02:28 PM Flag
            • never said it was - although i think that most dc who get 99x3 apply as they are going to be good candidates for FA. Getting a 99 on the ERB means you get a score that represents the top 1% nationwide of kids that age. Not that the top 1% of current test takers get 99. So a lot more than 1% could in theory get that score.

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              11.03.09, 02:27 PM Flag
    • Prepping is rampant.

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      11.03.09, 02:13 PM Flag
      • np Right. Playdates and school reports serve to corroborate erb. So, if kid gets 99x3 and isn't all that bright in person or as described in school report, he'll likely end up shut out.

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        11.03.09, 02:29 PM Flag
    • Top 1% based on NATIONAL norm. Nationally, kids are not that smart nor are they prepped like the kids from NYC whose parents can pay $450 for erb. Plus, NYC attracts smart parents whose genes kids inherit. Also we're talking about parents who can pay $35k after taxes. It's a sub-, sub-, sub-group of NYC families. Not surprising at all.

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      11.03.09, 02:44 PM Flag
      • Ditto. Based on a national norm, I am a genius.

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        11.03.09, 02:48 PM Flag
      • again - who else and for what other purpose is anyone administering this test NATIONALLY?? I really would like to know because every admin I know in other parts of the country are NOT working with this test.

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        11.03.09, 02:49 PM Flag
        • np The Wechsler is used to assess kids for all sorts of reasons--from giftedness to intellectual delays.

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          11.03.09, 02:52 PM Flag
          • maybe that explains these scores... the only other people using this test are looking for delays! (and people lie about scores here;)

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            11.03.09, 02:54 PM Flag
            • I don't think peole lie. i assume only the people with 99erb kids post. Also, 99 postings are from not just this year but many, many years in the past.

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              11.03.09, 03:11 PM Flag
        • But they did come up with WPPSI for 4yos for a reason. I think most IQ tests were created to identify LD people.

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          11.03.09, 02:53 PM Flag
        • my df in the midwest had her son take a test that I think was similar based on what she told me about it. He received a 99-98-98; he was 5 at the time I think.

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          11.03.09, 03:41 PM Flag
          • he took it to apply for a gifted program btw

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            11.03.09, 03:42 PM Flag
    • my kid didn't get that score and did very well in the admissions process which makes me think that either a) very few dcs actually get that score or b) admissions people don't distinguish much between that score and other 95+ scores.

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      11.03.09, 03:44 PM Flag
    • I saw someone mentioning (on UB) 99x3 kid starting K at dc's school several times, so there are at least 2 in our small K group.

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      11.03.09, 05:03 PM Flag
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