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Every summer I've been helping a now 14 year old wheelchair bound child navigate around the city and over the years I've been able to observe peoples reactions and respnse to her. I've been enlightened about culture and kindness.

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  • Every summer I've been helping a now 14 year old wheelchair bound child navigate around the city and over the years I've been able to observe peoples reactions and respnse to her. I've been enlightened about culture and kindness.

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    • And here's the question that might raise ire but, as I said, this has been an enlightening experience for me. Which culture or group do you think has been the warmest and kindest.. meaning .. they make eye contact, they smile, they help with doors or even say a few words of greeting? You might be very surprised with what I observed.

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      08.19.09, 08:01 AM Flag
      • Hispanics or AAs. I found WS-type white men *never* offered me a seat on the subway when I was pregnant.

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        08.19.09, 08:03 AM Flag
        • ditto

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          08.19.09, 08:09 AM Flag
        • it's the female dominated cultures.

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          08.19.09, 08:11 AM Flag
        • I got a seat on the subway every day when I was pregnant, mostly from white men. I'm white myself, wondering if that makes a difference. What race are you?

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          08.19.09, 08:11 AM Flag
          • Asian. DH is a WASP WS-type. He always offers his seat, offers to carry old ladies' groceries, etc.

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            08.19.09, 08:13 AM Flag
            • ^ BTW just to vent: I don't always expect to be offered a seat just b/c I am pregnant, but it really pissed me off one day when a 20-something white guy cut me off and sat down in the empty seat in front me. That was the only time I was ever really pissed about being pregnant and standing. Okay vent over.

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              08.19.09, 08:15 AM Flag
              • oh, please - those are the worst.

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                08.19.09, 08:34 AM Flag
        • What's "WS-type" mean?

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          08.19.09, 08:13 AM Flag
        • Never ever got a seat from aa- male or female - when pregnant. Only white men and once a white female tourist from Britain.

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          08.19.09, 04:01 PM Flag
        • ITA with this. And women more than men.

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          08.19.09, 04:04 PM Flag
      • do you mean culture or race? i would say non whites are probably the warmest or kindest.

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        08.19.09, 08:04 AM Flag
    • How nice that you've been so happily impressed by society's kindness and good manners.

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      08.19.09, 08:03 AM Flag
      • and how not nice that she now wants to turn it into a racial issue.

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        08.19.09, 08:11 AM Flag
        • but I am reporting my experience.

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          08.19.09, 08:14 AM Flag
          • NP Except by saying "You'd be surprised by the answer," you are turning to use of (negative) stereotypes.

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            08.19.09, 08:16 AM Flag
            • no. I'm sorry if I offended. I just meant you might be surprised by the answer. I grew up in the Bronx and have ridden the subway all my life and have had my share of confrontations over my skin like every other born and bred new yorker. no biggie. just talking personal observation and about my own experience

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              08.19.09, 08:20 AM Flag
              • and race baiting

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                08.19.09, 08:21 AM Flag
              • OK, so spill, that groups are the nicest?

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                08.19.09, 08:22 AM Flag
    • How funny. My mother who is 65 and overweight has knee problems. Recently she has been having to use one of those scooters they provide at the supermarket to do her grocery shopping. She has been telling me how rude people have been to her and how they don't want to get out of the way to let her through.

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      08.19.09, 08:06 AM Flag
      • Meanwhile whenevr I take my 21 month old son grocery shopping whenver he drops a ball someone is always there to pick it up, even when he acts ups, people are still so nice to him and think youth and good looks have a lot to do with our people are treated, handicapped or not.

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        08.19.09, 08:08 AM Flag
      • she probably drives it too fast.

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        08.19.09, 08:10 AM Flag
      • I think that is a result of discrimination against fat people and not necessarily handicapped people.

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        08.19.09, 08:10 AM Flag
        • Exactly. Why should I offer a fat person who takes up two seats in the subway? Much rather do it for someone who is actually handicapped.

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          08.19.09, 08:12 AM Flag
      • np Lots of those scooter people are very obnoxious. Act like everyone else is supposed to scatter to let them barrel through.

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        08.19.09, 11:40 AM Flag
        • Yeah I don't get why they feel entitled to go faster than normal walking speed. Sure if the way is clear, but don't say "BEEP BEEP" to me if my kid happens to be in your way for 30 seconds or you want to pass me because you think we're too slow.

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          08.19.09, 11:45 AM Flag
        • Exactly. You're in a scooter because you're fat, it's not my problem.

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          08.19.09, 04:03 PM Flag
          • ITA. And I'm fucking fat. 206 lbs and trying to lose it. No way is obesity an excuse to inconvenience others. VERY few people are fat for medical reasons. I'm not self-loathing, but Americans need to shut their pie holes. Thank God my kids aren't going down the path I started on.

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            08.19.09, 08:10 PM Flag
    • op here: I should mention, the child is white and so am I. I'm not here to hurt anyone's feelings .. just to raise awareness. Again, who actually made eye contact with her and smiled or tried to just lighten her day a little. I have a deeper appreciation for this group.

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      08.19.09, 08:11 AM Flag
      • in a way i'd find this more offensive. as if kids/people in wheelchairs don't get the same respect of being ignored. is she mentally ill?

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        08.19.09, 08:12 AM Flag
        • hey.. you know what? I hear you on this. OP here. What you're saying is true. But, I never felt these responses were condescending in the least. Only a generous impulse on the part of the people

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          08.19.09, 08:16 AM Flag
        • no she's not mentally ill. she's unable to walk because of a spine problem that happened while she was in utero.

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          08.19.09, 08:22 AM Flag
      • so what group did?

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        08.19.09, 08:13 AM Flag
      • I'm guessing canines.

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        08.19.09, 08:17 AM Flag
      • I feel like I'm walking a fine line when it comes to people with handicaps. I mean, I always hold open doors and stuff, but am I supposed to make eye contact and smile? Isn't that a little condescending when I don't do that to everyone else? It's like, Hey, look at you, you're so special!

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        08.19.09, 08:20 AM Flag
        • I so agree- I try to be decent - if someone is elderly, pregnant, with small children or disabled- I will offer a seat, help with doors/carrying stuff- but I don't think they would want to be treated like they are so so special- it can be awkward at times.

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          08.19.09, 11:38 AM Flag
    • Are we supposed to guess? I'll say homeless people.

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      08.19.09, 08:15 AM Flag
      • people with dyed blond hair.

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        08.19.09, 08:17 AM Flag
      • women without high heels.

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        08.19.09, 08:18 AM Flag
    • OK, so now that you had your fun you don't want to tell us/

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      08.19.09, 09:34 AM Flag
      • she was just run over by a scooter, but in her last dying breath, she whispered:...

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        08.19.09, 09:37 AM Flag
      • OK, Rosebud. We're home from shopping... Here's what I experienced. African Americans were far and away the warmest and kindest people toward the person in the wheelchair. I include many afro-carribean people, (eg. Jamaican) as well. This is informal and just personal experience.

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        08.19.09, 03:30 PM Flag
        • aa poster here: i'm not at all surprised, and that's what i would have guessed. we know what it's like to be and feel excluded and left out, so i'm sure that was real empathy you were experiencing.

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          08.19.09, 03:36 PM Flag
          • It is out there and it is strong. And that empathy, or just the "Hey, I see you.. you're really there.. how you doin?" feeling that the eye contact or the smile gives is very powerful.

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            08.19.09, 03:40 PM Flag
            • OR: in addition to empathy, I think aa's in general put on a lot fewer airs about the relative "worth" of people. you don't have to have a fancy job or title to stand up and be recognized, so i'm sure some of that was at play, as well.

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              08.19.09, 03:43 PM Flag
        • Whites and Hispanics were generally equal. Maybe the whites were slightly less willing to interact. Least friendly and avoiding eye contact almost all of the time.. east Asian. Maybe it's just not a cultural thing to do but, I tell you what... My respect for the AA and AC cultures has deepened. I can see the way they are just, concerned. Brought up very well, I think.

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          08.19.09, 03:37 PM Flag
          • This doesn't surprise me at all. I'm surprised it surprises you, though.

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            08.19.09, 03:58 PM Flag
          • I'm east-Asian... sorry some of us come off that way. Eye contact is not the way I was raised and in fact I was just thinking the other day that I would probably make more friends if I looked in peoples' eyes more. But I find it very hard! It makes me uncomfortable!

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            08.19.09, 08:05 PM Flag
            • Op here: I hear you. :) I understand. I think we all could learn a little more from people who are a little more open and by being friendly are more kind

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              08.20.09, 07:24 AM Flag
        • OK, so back to my original question, and this is serious: How do you expect people to treat you? I avoid eye contact with everyone. Isn't it condescending to look at a wheelchair-bound person and say Hey there! I see you!

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          08.19.09, 04:00 PM Flag
          • ^ I mean, how much interacting do you expect from a complete stranger? I'm not being snarky I am really interested in an answer.

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            08.19.09, 04:00 PM Flag
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