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  • OP here of 2 yr old rough dd who grabbed 1 yr old at playground. Thanks for all of your input. Yes I have to admit I was not on top of the stairs where my 2 yr old was....she was on the jungle gym. I was on the bottom a few feet away talking to another mom. I am a bit of a slacker in that I talk a lot and am not behind my dcs all the time. Yes I agree I probably would have been upset by another older child pushing my dc. My dd is rough, she actually pushed the little girl to get her out of the way....I saw it and ran right over....told her no....The other little girl wasnt upset....but I was there watching to not let it happen again or so I thought. My beef here was that the other mother reacted like my child and I were the devil. I feel like they reacted very strongly and think these things happen quite often at a playground. These are children and not perfect and this woman seemed appalled. Thats all.

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    08.11.09, 11:11 AM [ Flag ]
    • my son was not agressive at 1 and i was shocked when he was slapped and hit by an "older" boy - around 2. now as a mom of a 3yo agressive boy - i can totally relate to your post. thankfully he is not as rough as he was - but there is NO EXCUSE for another mom to touch your child.

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      08.11.09, 11:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Thanks...thats what really threw me off and upset me.

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        08.11.09, 11:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • i would love to fast foward and watch her child at 2 and 3 and see if she is able to thwart off every move her dd will make

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          08.11.09, 11:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I'm sure she won't be able to, but that doesn't change the fact that if a 4/5 yo shoved your kid, you'd be huffing and puffing too.

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            08.11.09, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • they have/do and i get upset. but would never grab them.

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              08.11.09, 11:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • OK, I agree with you there but your beef, as you clearly stated, is the mom acting like you're the devil. If you're purely upset because she grabbed your DD, then I 100% agree with you. But she has a right to give you the stink eye for pushing her DD.

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                08.11.09, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I give you credit for owning up to your mistakes, but no, she didn't overreact.

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      08.11.09, 11:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • yes, she did.

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        08.11.09, 11:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA.

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        08.11.09, 11:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • ^^ITA that the other mother didn't overreact. and OP needs to get her kid under control. her dd pushing smaller children to get them out of the way is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.

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          08.11.09, 11:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: you simply can't "control

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            08.11.09, 12:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • ^^every move your dc makes at every moment. Even the most controlled 2yo loses control sometimes. It sounds like OP is working with it & admits that her dd is rough. My dcs are school aged & I remember the toddler hot head days

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              08.11.09, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Ditto. And I KNEW she was chatting and ignoring her kid--even though bad behavior warranted her paying very close attention.

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        08.11.09, 11:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA. She shouldn't have grabbed your kid, but you can't very well expect her to laugh while her 1 yo is being roughly handled (your words) twice and say, Ah, those kids.

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        08.11.09, 11:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Yes she did, and her dd pushing the smaller child isn't an "issue" for dd, it's normal child behavior. It should be corrected, that's how they learn, but it's not a sign of worse behavior in the years to come and there is no excuse for another mom to put her hands on dd.

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        08.11.09, 02:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • None of these additional facts today takes away from the central problem: your dd roughly hit another child twice. Your job is to focus on that and teach her not to do that. Where you were standing and whether you're behnd your dcs all the time are all irrelevant.

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      08.11.09, 11:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I forget, did the other mother get to OP's dd before OP had a chance to? Maybe op was on her way over there and the other mother was on extreme watch and grabbed op's kid first- I could see this happening based on the post and tone that op painted of the other mom.

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        08.11.09, 11:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • you dont think she does? please. this is a phase. how old are your kids? 1 i presume

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        08.11.09, 11:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You are fixating on what the other mom did. But you really need to address your own daughter's behaviour or she won't have any friends when she starts school.

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      08.11.09, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Given your kid's behavior you have an OBLIGATION to be "behind" dc all the time until she smartens up.

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      08.11.09, 11:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • smartens up? are you forgetting you are talking about a 2year old child? moron

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        08.11.09, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • A 2 yo child who pushes babies--and whose mother doesn't really think it's a big deal. In the 7 years I've spent with dcs on the playground, I've noticed that the VAST majority of moms with aggressive kids deal with them properly--one warning AND the kid has to apologize. If the behavior's repeated, the child is taken home (or at least has to leave the playground).

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          08.11.09, 11:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: not all 2-yr-olds do this. from your reponses (and name-calling) perhaps yours does/did. but not all, so i wouldn't say it's typical.

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          08.11.09, 11:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OP here....where are you ladies living? what do you do? I have been on a zillion play dates in the last 5 yrs and been around a lot of other rough dcs. My kids have gotten clobbered with the best of them and in general mothers just try and redirect the kids attention....say no....and get on with the playing. I have never seen a person leave a play ground or play date because of aggressive behavior. We all seem to understand some kids go through these phases. You guys seem really strict.

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      08.11.09, 11:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I live in NYC and I believe in discipline and consequences--a 2 yo is old enough. You apparently do not.

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        08.11.09, 11:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • No, we just don't condone over-aggression. I think the subject's exhausted btwn yesterday and today. It seems you're taking nothing away from others' thoughts. Without any snarkiness, I feel sad for your dd that you're not open to teaching her or modeling for her a different response.

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        08.11.09, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • just because you let your kids get clobbered doesn't mean others share your willingness to see their children clobbered. it's called being considerate to others. -signed UWS mom

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        08.11.09, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Ummm, OP wasn't willing to let her dd "clobber" another...she called her child out on it. This is how children learn things. Including the one who got knocked over.

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          08.11.09, 02:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Could the person defending this behavior as typical kid behavior and who apparently thinks it's not worth correcting please tell me what playground you frequent.

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      08.11.09, 11:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • oh okay. and how about my phone number as well.

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        08.11.09, 11:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Posting your playground(s) would out you? If that's the case, I guess your kid's already scared off a bunch of people.

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          08.11.09, 11:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • why is location so important? really.

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            08.11.09, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • I wouldn't want my baby to meet up with her kid in the playground.

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              08.11.09, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • see all moms of babies. none of you mouths are BTDT

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                08.11.09, 11:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • I have a 3 yo and a 7 yo. Have BTDT.

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                  08.11.09, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • BTDT, I have a 6 yo and a 3 yo. Just because you condone this type of behavior, doesn't mean the rest of us should. 96th and Lex, you say?

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                  08.11.09, 11:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • dont condone it just think you are all jumping to conclusions. and yes - 96th and Lex. want to meet?

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                    08.11.09, 12:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • Tell me what conclusion we're jumping to? Since OP has been very open and honest about your role in this. You're the one going around telling people to shut up, all kids do this, you haven't BTDT.

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                      08.11.09, 12:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • i have btdt. actually. jumping to conclusion that she doesnt try to discipline her child.

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                        08.11.09, 12:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • I meant the poster saying "You all clearly have 1 yo and have not BTDT." I find this troubling to pass this behavior off as normal. I never said OP didn't try to discipline her child, but there is a poster here saying that this is normal behavior and anyone with a toddler would agree with her. You can have a toddler, understand it's normal behavior, and still discipline. No reason to just let kids get away with it. Again, I'm not saying this is what OP did, just the other poster.

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                          08.11.09, 12:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np I would like to have this info, too. Post. Seriously, you could clear the place out. You might have to buy an inflatable punching bag to stand in for a baby, though.

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        08.11.09, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I don't get why you're still focusing on the other mother. Granted, I was one of the people who said in the original post that she shouldn't have put her hands on your child. And I also don't think you can be vigilant watching your kid every second. But after she grabbed the baby once, you should have been way more on top of it than you were and apologized immediately. Stop being so defensive and listen to what everyone is telling you about your child.

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      08.11.09, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I can't respond to OP, but I have to say this: playdates are different. With playdates you know each other, so you redirect and of course you don't up and leave. A complete stranger? The other mom can do whatever she wants (except for grabbing your DD, which everyone agreed with wrong). Your problem is that you think people should be accepting of this behavior, and I disagree with you.

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      08.11.09, 11:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I still don't understand why you're upset that the other mom touched your child. Your child GRABBED her 1 y.o. not once, but TWICE. Why is it ok for your dd to grab a younger child, but no one should even touch your child? Don't you see the irony here?

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      08.11.09, 11:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • one is a child and one is an adult. do you not see the difference?

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        08.11.09, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ITA. I also suspect OP's kid was on the baby--hence the other mom felt compelled to pick her up and move her. Otherwise, her instinct would have been to pick up the baby, not OP's kid.

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        08.11.09, 11:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Good luck getting your kid into preschool; you'll need it.

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      08.11.09, 11:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • post in a year ladies.

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        08.11.09, 11:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • OMG what is with you? Why can't you get it in your hard head that some of us have toddlers or older kids and have BTDT? Is thinking that we're childless dudes the only way you can feel better about yourself?

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          08.11.09, 11:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • when will you ladies get it - this is a troll on here as well. the OP is not responding. she tells us when she is

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            08.11.09, 12:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Since OP was the only one present, I'm going to believe her on her primary issue - that the other mother was inappropriately/excessively nasty and rude. I think OP is having trouble accurately conveying the other mother's tone and attitude b/c it's UB. We've all had interactions with other mothers who are simply not nice people. Even if OP was entirely in the wrong by not watching her child closely enough, that doesn't exclude the other possibility that the other mother was a b*tch.

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      08.11.09, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • AMEN SISTA

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        08.11.09, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Did you read original post? The other mother didn't sound at all rude.

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        08.11.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I agree. One thing I give OP credit for is that she's been open and honest about her role in this. If the other mom was a total b*tch, OP would surely have said so. I also noticed a near 100% siding with OP that the other mom shouldn't have grabbed OP's DD.

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          08.11.09, 12:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Yes, I read both posts though this is my first response to either. I think the other mom sounded rude in the first one also, but that's my point actually - it doesn't matter how she "sounded" to me or you. OP was there and felt the other mom's attitude was dismissive/nasty/rude enough to be the focus of the post. OP didn't even really ask if her dd or her own behavior was reasonable b/c that wasn't why she was posting. We can hypothesize all we want about OP and the other mom, but unless OP routinely posts on UB about other people treating her poorly I would guess this other Mom's behavior was unusually hostile.

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          08.11.09, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Dear OP, L.E.T. I.T. G.O. Yours, UB

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      08.11.09, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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