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  • I don't want to live in a socialist country.

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    03.26.09, 09:56 AM Flag ]
    • Good for you. So don't move to China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea, or Vietnam.

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      03.26.09, 10:00 AM Flag
      • Those are not socialist.

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        03.26.09, 10:02 AM Flag
        • actually, they are the only countries that currently subscribe to socialist (Marxism-Leninism) in their constitutions, so yes, they are socialist

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          03.26.09, 10:04 AM Flag
          • france is a socialist country, as are many other european countries including scandinavia. Marxism is communism, and that is totally different.

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            03.26.09, 10:34 AM Flag
            • Actually no, France is NOT a socialist country. They have a socialist party, but they system of government is a Democratic Republic. The closest nation to a socialist democracy (what people like OP are afraid will happen in the US) is India.

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              03.26.09, 10:36 AM Flag
              • And there are no other socialist countries in Europe either.

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                03.26.09, 10:43 AM Flag
              • Well when people talk about the US becoming a socialist country they are referring to ti becoming more like contries with socialist policies like france. it is nearly impossible to fire someone in france and they mandata that no one work more than 35 hours a week. This is simialr to the government controlling the factors of production- they control the labor.

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                03.26.09, 10:56 AM Flag
                • ^^i need to learn to check my spelling before hitting reply!

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                  03.26.09, 10:57 AM Flag
                • But it is NOT a socialist country, very far from it. People need to know what they are talking about. And I bet a lot of people who were recently laid off in this country would be glad to live in a place where it is very difficult to get fired!

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                  03.26.09, 10:59 AM Flag
                  • Socialist economic policies are what people fear, not marxism. get over yourself being so literal.

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                    03.26.09, 11:03 AM Flag
                    • then they should say "I fear socialist economic policies", not living in a socialist country - there is a very large difference.

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                      03.26.09, 11:04 AM Flag
                      • not really. Policies dictate the nature of the government. Not concerned with what we call it - socialism, marxism, communism, cradle to grave- just know that it is not capitalism.

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                        03.27.09, 02:49 AM Flag
                        • actually, it is exactly capitalism.

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                          03.27.09, 04:36 AM Flag
                        • obama is proposing socialism, not capitalism.

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                          03.27.09, 01:40 PM Flag
                • np: the 35-hr workweek in France was for a very limited sector in society, not the whole workforce. And, there's talk of revoking it now.

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                  03.27.09, 04:43 AM Flag
          • and now we can join the group! U.S.S.A.!!!

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            03.26.09, 08:18 PM Flag
        • they are NOT socialist. China subscribes wholeheartely to capitalism. The Scandi countries are socialist. France to a degree.

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          03.26.09, 01:28 PM Flag
          • lololol

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            03.26.09, 02:32 PM Flag
          • Actually, the Danes are very pro-market and the Swedes and Finns recently as well. In fact, the Swedish PM (IIRC) was recently chiding some US policies and saying "Hey, we had to clean up a banking mess in the 90s and the US is making some mistakes we made." So no, the Scandinavians are now more free-market than we are in some cases.

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            03.26.09, 03:39 PM Flag
          • China is capitalist but only governed by a group of people who called themselves "communists". And now, USA is going the opposite way, should we call ourselves 'managed capitalism'?

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            03.27.09, 08:07 AM Flag
      • Actually, they purport to be communist & most are not really in any sense that Marx would recognize

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        03.26.09, 10:05 AM Flag
        • there are no other countries that currently subscribe to socialist theories, although I agree that they are mostly gross bastardizations of true Marxist-Leninist philosophy

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          03.26.09, 10:07 AM Flag
          • Obama is proposing a "gross bastardization" of socialist theories. Mumble jumble

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            03.27.09, 03:05 AM Flag
      • np: Google or your own work?

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        03.26.09, 10:57 AM Flag
        • or - I'm a political journalist so I know my facts.

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          03.26.09, 11:04 AM Flag
          • well ok then. (I would argue you are "an informed political journalist so you know your facts." But I'm cranky and tired.)

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            03.26.09, 11:57 AM Flag
            • sorry - you're right - I try to be informed and know my facts (and I happen to have a focus on governmental policy - not US this is is sort of my subject)

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              03.26.09, 12:34 PM Flag
          • Can I ask you a question, "Why do you hate Sarah Palin?"

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            03.26.09, 11:58 AM Flag
            • Actually, I don't. I don't agree with her on many things, and think she is pretty ignorant, and not a good choice for VP (or President), but I don't hate her based on her beliefs.

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              03.26.09, 12:33 PM Flag
              • That isn't what she said.

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                03.26.09, 12:45 PM Flag
    • Then we should have let the banks fail.

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      03.26.09, 10:06 AM Flag
      • And the auto industry. And the airlines. And sugar, cotton, corn...farming in general. Shall I go on?

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        03.26.09, 10:23 AM Flag
        • ITA with you.

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          03.26.09, 01:37 PM Flag
        • Please do. But get the facts straight: the whole banking *industry* would not have failed, nor would the whole auto, airline, sugar, corn, etc. industry. The high-cost, inefficient producers would fail. Low-cost, efficient producers would then buy those assets and run them more efficiently. Or would you rather that we tax people who make a profit (by running their businesses well) to support people who don't run their businesses well? Go read Hazlitt's _Economics in One Lesson_.

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          03.26.09, 03:46 PM Flag
          • Yeah--low-cost, efficient producers--in China. Seriously--how do you expect US producers to compete with countries who don't have to follow the same regs., don't have to pay health care, etc. etc.

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            03.27.09, 06:13 AM Flag
      • yes. then they could be rebuilt in a more intelligent manner.

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        03.26.09, 08:20 PM Flag
    • too late

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      03.26.09, 10:07 AM Flag
    • The US is so far from socialism

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      03.26.09, 10:08 AM Flag
      • wrong-if we were our government wouldnt be trying to revive the Unions, owning many of the banks, subsidizing farmers etc

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        03.26.09, 10:09 AM Flag
    • this is not a new issue. our country has always subsidized farmers, auto industry, ranchers, oil,...

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      03.26.09, 10:11 AM Flag
      • exactly.

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        03.26.09, 10:12 AM Flag
      • Stop, stop--you're ruining all the deluded right-winger's Ayn Rand fantasies.

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        03.26.09, 10:22 AM Flag
      • We haven't always subsidized farms. That started during Nixon's time in office.

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        03.26.09, 12:01 PM Flag
        • Actually no. My dad was in USDA under Kennedy and there were subsidies in place well before then.

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          03.26.09, 12:36 PM Flag
          • Ok, we may have subsidized them to some degree, but the change in policy that lead to the whole corporate farming explosion was due to policies under Nixon. That is when we started to pay people to only grow certain types of crops.

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            03.26.09, 01:22 PM Flag
        • WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          03.26.09, 12:40 PM Flag
        • Corporate farmers are the biggest welfare moms in the US. People rally against Obama's love of soocialism yet we have the biggest corporate welfare system.

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          03.26.09, 12:42 PM Flag
    • You don't. And if you stay in the U.S., you won't. Stop listening to Rush and calm down.

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      03.26.09, 10:26 AM Flag
    • lol. go back to 1933. we've had this fight already.

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      03.26.09, 10:32 AM Flag
    • You people make my brain bleed. WE ARE NOT IN A SOCIALIST COUNTRY. NOR WILL WE BE. Just because you don't like Obama it does not make him a socialist.

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      03.26.09, 11:47 AM Flag
      • That is right. What makes him a socialist is the economic training he got in the secret camps in Indonesia.

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        03.26.09, 12:09 PM Flag
        • lol

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          03.26.09, 12:14 PM Flag
          • thank you.

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            03.26.09, 12:27 PM Flag
            • You are a toe licker.

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              03.26.09, 12:35 PM Flag
              • True. But not because it brings me any great fulfillment rather because it can really make the difference for her. I find that sometimes if I have her legs over my shoulders and we are really going at it, rubbing her feet hard and nibbling her instep (instep more than her toes but them too) can really push her over the edge. How did you know?

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                03.26.09, 12:48 PM Flag
      • yes we are and you saying we arent doesnt make it so

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        03.26.09, 02:43 PM Flag
        • No, we aren't. The facts are what make it so.

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          03.26.09, 02:43 PM Flag
          • you saying it without facts doesnt make you right-FACTS say we are de facto socialist

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            03.26.09, 02:45 PM Flag
    • Stop listening to Sean Hannity. He is paid a fortune to make you believe this garbage.

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      03.26.09, 12:35 PM Flag
    • What are you afraid of? The best and the brightest having no place to practice their voodoo economics that have brought us to the brink? Or are you just afraid of progressive thinking in gov't? Or could it be that you believe that the wealthy ($250K and up) should pay proportionately less in taxes?

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      03.26.09, 12:45 PM Flag
      • What voodoo economics is that? I presume you mean encouraging people to own their homes who could not afford it? People defaulting on debt is the root of the financial problems.

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        03.26.09, 03:50 PM Flag
      • I believe that the wealthy should not be punished through taxation for making money.

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        03.27.09, 03:08 AM Flag
    • Do you think the US will become a socialist country under Obama? If you think so, you have NO idea what socialism really is. The US is VERY far away from socialism!

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      03.26.09, 02:29 PM Flag
      • sorry you have never studied politics and government we already are socialist in every way but name

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        03.26.09, 02:46 PM Flag
        • Obama hasn't been in office long enough to do ANYTHING - so if you think we are socialist, you can't blame him for it. FWIW, we are a DEMOCRACY, that is very very far from socialism. If you'd like to understand a true socialist society I can recommend some books for you. But we are not socialist in every way but name, very far from it.

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          03.26.09, 02:48 PM Flag
          • What books do you recommend I read?

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            03.26.09, 03:15 PM Flag
          • his proposals are not democratic, they are indeed socialist, go read those books you would recommend. you need a refresher course.

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            03.27.09, 03:09 AM Flag
    • These posts are so annoying. It's UrbanBABY.

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      03.26.09, 08:47 PM Flag
    • if you are in america, you don't. all that notwithstanding, what do you want out of government?

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      03.27.09, 05:33 AM Flag
    • That's because you're rich and ignorant. You don't like living in this country? GET OUT! Nobody will miss you

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      03.27.09, 03:31 PM Flag
      • You'll miss her tax $$$. And the money of others who leave. Do you REALLY think Warren Buffet and Rupert Murdoch and Bill Gates will actually PAY the tax increase they're telling their buddy Obama to make? Will only hurt the quasi-rich and the middle class (because they'll eventually get hit with increases, too) who can't hide their cash off-shore.

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        03.27.09, 03:52 PM Flag
    • I do, too bad Geithner is too busy cosying up to his old work cronies and giving them bonuses for gross incompetence to actually fund some good old-fashioned socialism.

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      03.27.09, 05:09 PM Flag
    • Me neither. I'd much rather live in somewhere like Haiti than Sweden! Seriously, what is wrong with you people???

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      03.27.09, 05:29 PM Flag
      • I here Obama will start taxing Aspirin soon. It is white and it works.

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        03.30.09, 12:06 PM Flag
        • Do you? Do you really "here" that?

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          03.30.09, 12:08 PM Flag
          • Do you have a degree in writing? I rarely spellcheck. This is a board to share opinions, I guess you have one. You don't like my joke. I am sorry if it makes you uncomfortable. Truth hurts. By the way I studied socialism first hand, from socialist textbooks in a different language. Definitions are many:

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            03.30.09, 04:30 PM Flag
            • There are actually no words for how stupid you sound.

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              03.30.09, 04:55 PM Flag
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