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I want to know how a gen ed math and science teacher can give a 5 year old anything less than a "4" when that child can do addition, subtraction, understands basic concepts in multiplication, so many schientific priciples it is scary and the list goes on. This has happened to my sister's dc in public and frankly, it is very telling!
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02.07.09, 09:55 AM [ Flag ]
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- Very telling in what way?
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  02.07.09, 09:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - that a clearly gifted kid can fall through the cracks? that teachers in public are unable to stay on top of every student b/c of sheer numbers? I can think of a million things. NP
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    02.07.09, 09:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - But we really don't know anything about OP's nephew or the teacher or the school.
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      02.07.09, 10:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      - I have a dc in a gen ed and know that these math and science teachers are not the classroom teacher. They see the kids for a very short period of time and have very rigic guidelines they have to follow. It's not possible for them to begin to talk to every kid and gleen that kid's body of knowl. or understanding really.
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        02.07.09, 10:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        In some, if not most, gen eds, the classroom teacher is also the math teacher at least, if not also the science teacher.
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        02.07.09, 10:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        ^^^But my point is more that this dc is in kindergarten. Are we sure from the original post that he/she is a "clearly gifted" kid who is "falling through the cracks"?
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        02.07.09, 10:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        If this 5 yo can do what OP says, then YES
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        02.07.09, 10:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        The phrasing of OP's post makes it pretty clear these are specialists.
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        02.07.09, 10:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - "Clearly gifted"???? LOLOL ... yeah ... ALL the parents say so.
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      02.07.09, 10:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      - You sounds like a jealous ass. It's clear from OP's post that this is not your average 5 yo
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        02.07.09, 10:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        I knew all this stuff when I was 5. So did my kids. What's the big deal?
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        02.07.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        not sure about your school but where my dc goes, they are not doing the math OP is talking about yet.
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        02.07.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- You have to understand that the gen eds have a set curriculum and don['t veer from it. A dc like the one you describe may be bored as hell and not even showing any interest. The teachers are so overwrought in the public that they probably are clueless.
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  - perhaps "clueless" is not the best choice but if the point is they are overwhelmed, I buy that. It is certainly possible for a specialist at a gen ed to miss that a particular child is ahead of the curve.
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    02.07.09, 10:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - Allegedly ahead.
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      02.07.09, 10:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      - Are you serious? My dc is in K here in the city and they are not doing the math OP says her nephew can do
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        02.07.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        Yes I am serious. I'm sorry that the K students here in the city are apparently so slow ...
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        02.07.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        or that the teachers are all burnt out and lazy.
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        02.07.09, 11:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- Frustrating as hell. The parents need to get on top of this ASAP or it could be really bad for this dc down the road.
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  02.07.09, 10:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- I don't understand -- what gen ed has a special math and science teacher for K? Especially one who gives grades. I'm not even sure our K report card has those categories yet.
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  02.07.09, 10:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - Ours does. np
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    02.07.09, 10:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - Which school?
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      02.07.09, 10:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- Is this a mid-year grade? It's not uncommon to mark down students and then give them a higher grade in the final report card to show "progress".
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  02.07.09, 11:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - Thanks. Yes it is. SHould sister not insist on conferences then? It seems so crazy to have to do that for kindergarten but it also is not something to ignore. I am unfamiliar with the publics and sister is new to it as we are talking kindergarten.
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    02.07.09, 11:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - Yes, bring it up and see if indeed this is what they are doing. In a non-confrontational way, tell the teacher that DC is really interested in Science and want to know how to encourage her, and then throw in little tidbits about her knowledge base.
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      02.07.09, 12:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - There should have been a parent-teacher conference already, with another one coming up. If your sister would like to talk to the teacher about it, she should definitely make an appointment to talk about it.
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      02.07.09, 12:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- The child isn't showing it in school. Who knows why. I would take a guess, the child makes careless errors and that brings score down.
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  - at age 5?
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    02.07.09, 12:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - My dc tells us all the time that he wants to do what the other kids do. I think peer group has a big impact on some gifted dc's
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Very telling in what way?

that a clearly gifted kid can fall through the cracks? that teachers in public are unable to stay on top of every student b/c of sheer numbers? I can think of a million things. NP

But we really don't know anything about OP's nephew or the teacher or the school.

In some, if not most, gen eds, the classroom teacher is also the math teacher at least, if not also the science teacher.

^^^But my point is more that this dc is in kindergarten. Are we sure from the original post that he/she is a "clearly gifted" kid who is "falling through the cracks"?

If this 5 yo can do what OP says, then YES

The phrasing of OP's post makes it pretty clear these are specialists.

"Clearly gifted"???? LOLOL ... yeah ... ALL the parents say so.

You sounds like a jealous ass. It's clear from OP's post that this is not your average 5 yo

I knew all this stuff when I was 5. So did my kids. What's the big deal?

not sure about your school but where my dc goes, they are not doing the math OP is talking about yet.

You have to understand that the gen eds have a set curriculum and don['t veer from it. A dc like the one you describe may be bored as hell and not even showing any interest. The teachers are so overwrought in the public that they probably are clueless.

perhaps "clueless" is not the best choice but if the point is they are overwhelmed, I buy that. It is certainly possible for a specialist at a gen ed to miss that a particular child is ahead of the curve.

Allegedly ahead.

Are you serious? My dc is in K here in the city and they are not doing the math OP says her nephew can do

Yes I am serious. I'm sorry that the K students here in the city are apparently so slow ...

or that the teachers are all burnt out and lazy.

Frustrating as hell. The parents need to get on top of this ASAP or it could be really bad for this dc down the road.

I don't understand -- what gen ed has a special math and science teacher for K? Especially one who gives grades. I'm not even sure our K report card has those categories yet.

Ours does. np

Which school?

Is this a mid-year grade? It's not uncommon to mark down students and then give them a higher grade in the final report card to show "progress".

Thanks. Yes it is. SHould sister not insist on conferences then? It seems so crazy to have to do that for kindergarten but it also is not something to ignore. I am unfamiliar with the publics and sister is new to it as we are talking kindergarten.

Yes, bring it up and see if indeed this is what they are doing. In a non-confrontational way, tell the teacher that DC is really interested in Science and want to know how to encourage her, and then throw in little tidbits about her knowledge base.

There should have been a parent-teacher conference already, with another one coming up. If your sister would like to talk to the teacher about it, she should definitely make an appointment to talk about it.

The child isn't showing it in school. Who knows why. I would take a guess, the child makes careless errors and that brings score down.

at age 5?

My dc tells us all the time that he wants to do what the other kids do. I think peer group has a big impact on some gifted dc's

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