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What wins in the end, hard work or raw intelligence?
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12.15.08, 07:44 AM [ Flagged ]
- i'd say that most of the time, hard work.
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  12.15.08, 07:45 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
- Hard work. And social skills.
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  12.15.08, 07:46 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
- hard work
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  12.15.08, 07:46 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
- outside of true prodigies, its hard work hands down
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  12.15.08, 07:46 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
  - Even with true prodigies - HARD WORK..
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    12.15.08, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- hard work, without a doubt. what's the use of raw intelligence if it's not put to use? I am the classic very smart underachiever and I always envied those who had the work ethic and discipline that I lacked.
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  12.15.08, 07:47 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
  - Oh me too. I had a friend who used to warn "being smart plus a quarter gets you a free phone call at any phone booth," but I didn't realize what she meant until much later.
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    12.15.08, 07:48 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
    - What does that mean?
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      12.15.08, 07:51 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
      - It means being smart doesn't count for anything.
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        12.15.08, 07:53 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
        
        I don't agree.
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        12.15.08, 07:54 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
        
        I think it means that raw intelligence, in the absence of effort, does not count for much.
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        12.15.08, 07:59 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
        
        I tend to agree with this. However, if you're smart, whatever you do will be still different from a dumb person. I think smart person could still make better decisions since they understand more.
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        12.15.08, 08:01 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
        
        When smart people screw up, they do it big time, are more negatively judged and tend to take more of a beating from themselves and others. Being smart plus a quarter can get you more than a phone call, depending on what number you dial...
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        12.16.08, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- Several factors count if you're talking about prodigies and geniuses. It is difficult to become a genius without incredibly high intelligence, massive volume of work, years of tenacious work habit, plus some sort of luck.
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  12.15.08, 07:54 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
  - I remember reading about the 10,000 hours theory. It takes 10,000 hours dedicated to one skill to become world-class excellent in it.
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    12.15.08, 08:00 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
    - I don't know where he came up with 10,000 hrs theory, but there will be still huge difference between a person of ordinary talent/intelligence and a person of extremely high intelligence/talent after those 10,000 hrs.
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      12.15.08, 08:04 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
  - i think the post is not about genius, its about high intelligence versus high effort
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    12.15.08, 08:01 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
    - The, she should have put that limit.
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      12.15.08, 08:02 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
      - everyone understood it but you however. I guess you are neither hard work, NOR raw intelligence. What is THAT like?
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        12.15.08, 08:03 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
        
        Your assumption is wrong. I am interested in prodigy/genius topic because I have PG children. Everybody looks at things from their perspective, didn't you know?
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        12.15.08, 08:06 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
        
        you have pregnant children?
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        12.15.08, 10:10 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
        
        This response shows your raw intelligence.
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        12.15.08, 10:36 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
  - I know people become experts, but I thought "geniuses" were born?
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    12.15.08, 08:07 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
    - That's what most people assume, but not really. Having extremely high raw intelligence does not necessarily produce a genius. It's much more complex than that.
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      12.15.08, 08:09 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
- personality
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  12.15.08, 08:20 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
- If you are interested in this, you'd enjoy outliers by Malcolm Gladwell.
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  12.15.08, 08:45 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
- privilege. after all, isn't that why you are working so hard to get dcs into tt schools?
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  12.15.08, 09:56 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
- Kids who are praised for their intelligence can become risk-adverse when they find something hard. Kids who are praised for how hard they try will attempt harder things: http://nymag.com/news/features/27840/
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  12.15.08, 10:15 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
  - I like this quote from the article: Dweck had suspected that praise could backfire, but even she was surprised by the magnitude of the effect. “Emphasizing effort gives a child a variable that they can control,” she explains. “They come to see themselves as in control of their success. Emphasizing natural intelligence takes it out of the child’s control, and it provides no good recipe for responding to a failure.”
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    12.15.08, 10:37 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
- Both are important. I've known some very hard workers who aren't that bright and ultimately are less successful than the more intelligent ones.
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  12.15.08, 10:44 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
- 30% inspiration and 70% perspiration?
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  12.15.08, 12:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- Passion.
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  12.15.08, 07:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - Like the rejects from America Idol?
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    12.15.08, 07:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- connections.
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  12.15.08, 07:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - Do you think connections made Newton and Einstein? That's interesting.
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    12.15.08, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - did they "win" in the end?
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      12.15.08, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      - They won the admiration from the entire world.
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        12.15.08, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        well, then your answer is raw intelligence.
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        12.15.08, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        They didn't win solely by raw intelligence. The sheer volume of work these geniuses produced is already inhuman scale.
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        12.15.08, 07:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        already inhuman scale? what does that mean, exactly?
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        12.15.08, 07:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        massive...not possible by ordinary people.
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        12.15.08, 07:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- People with high IQ work for people with high emotional intelligence.
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  12.15.08, 07:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - This is so true.
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    12.16.08, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - ^^^^^and I know this to be a fact bec I am the one with the high IQ who always has worked for the people with high emotional IQ.
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      12.16.08, 08:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      - High IQ doesn't exclude high EQ.
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        12.16.08, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- hard work, no question
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  12.15.08, 07:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- Moxie wins, Baby. Every time
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  12.16.08, 08:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- You didn't mention luck and connections. Those win every time!
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  12.16.08, 08:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - that was covered above by the person who listed "privilege" as the winning quality
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    12.16.08, 08:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - Luck doesn't equate to privilege.
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      12.16.08, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      - no but connections does, and often what passes for luck, is just connections... you woudln't believe how many privileged people think they got something by luck (or hard work for that matter)
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        12.16.08, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        Fine. I'll give you that.
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        12.16.08, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- Depends on your defination of winning? Some people are happy with mediocrity.
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  12.16.08, 08:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - my experience with fellow ivies is that some (many) people at that level have such large gaping holes in their souls, they need that level of paper "success" just to feel deserving of love and attention and so forth.
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    12.16.08, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - What's your definition of mediocrity? Maybe Bernie Madoff's kid wanted some mediocrity in his life.
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What wins in the end, hard work or raw intelligence?

i'd say that most of the time, hard work.

Hard work. And social skills.

hard work

outside of true prodigies, its hard work hands down

Even with true prodigies - HARD WORK..

hard work, without a doubt. what's the use of raw intelligence if it's not put to use? I am the classic very smart underachiever and I always envied those who had the work ethic and discipline that I lacked.

Oh me too. I had a friend who used to warn "being smart plus a quarter gets you a free phone call at any phone booth," but I didn't realize what she meant until much later.

What does that mean?

It means being smart doesn't count for anything.

I don't agree.

I think it means that raw intelligence, in the absence of effort, does not count for much.

I tend to agree with this. However, if you're smart, whatever you do will be still different from a dumb person. I think smart person could still make better decisions since they understand more.

When smart people screw up, they do it big time, are more negatively judged and tend to take more of a beating from themselves and others. Being smart plus a quarter can get you more than a phone call, depending on what number you dial...

Several factors count if you're talking about prodigies and geniuses. It is difficult to become a genius without incredibly high intelligence, massive volume of work, years of tenacious work habit, plus some sort of luck.

I remember reading about the 10,000 hours theory. It takes 10,000 hours dedicated to one skill to become world-class excellent in it.

I don't know where he came up with 10,000 hrs theory, but there will be still huge difference between a person of ordinary talent/intelligence and a person of extremely high intelligence/talent after those 10,000 hrs.

i think the post is not about genius, its about high intelligence versus high effort

The, she should have put that limit.

everyone understood it but you however. I guess you are neither hard work, NOR raw intelligence. What is THAT like?

Your assumption is wrong. I am interested in prodigy/genius topic because I have PG children. Everybody looks at things from their perspective, didn't you know?

you have pregnant children?

This response shows your raw intelligence.

I know people become experts, but I thought "geniuses" were born?

That's what most people assume, but not really. Having extremely high raw intelligence does not necessarily produce a genius. It's much more complex than that.

personality

If you are interested in this, you'd enjoy outliers by Malcolm Gladwell.

privilege. after all, isn't that why you are working so hard to get dcs into tt schools?

Kids who are praised for their intelligence can become risk-adverse when they find something hard. Kids who are praised for how hard they try will attempt harder things: http://nymag.com/news/features/27840/

Both are important. I've known some very hard workers who aren't that bright and ultimately are less successful than the more intelligent ones.

30% inspiration and 70% perspiration?

Passion.

Like the rejects from America Idol?

connections.

Do you think connections made Newton and Einstein? That's interesting.

did they "win" in the end?

They won the admiration from the entire world.

well, then your answer is raw intelligence.

They didn't win solely by raw intelligence. The sheer volume of work these geniuses produced is already inhuman scale.

already inhuman scale? what does that mean, exactly?

massive...not possible by ordinary people.

People with high IQ work for people with high emotional intelligence.

This is so true.

^^^^^and I know this to be a fact bec I am the one with the high IQ who always has worked for the people with high emotional IQ.

High IQ doesn't exclude high EQ.

hard work, no question

Moxie wins, Baby. Every time

You didn't mention luck and connections. Those win every time!

that was covered above by the person who listed "privilege" as the winning quality

Luck doesn't equate to privilege.

no but connections does, and often what passes for luck, is just connections... you woudln't believe how many privileged people think they got something by luck (or hard work for that matter)

Fine. I'll give you that.

Depends on your defination of winning? Some people are happy with mediocrity.

my experience with fellow ivies is that some (many) people at that level have such large gaping holes in their souls, they need that level of paper "success" just to feel deserving of love and attention and so forth.

What's your definition of mediocrity? Maybe Bernie Madoff's kid wanted some mediocrity in his life.

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