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I am really disturbed that at Palin and McCain rallies supporters have been yelling "kill obama", "obama is a terrorist" and yelling threats at the press (including a racial slur at a sound guy) w/o drawing any condemnation from either McCain or Palin. This is scary - this is not what I thought would happen in the US. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/06/AR2008100602935.html
129 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]Why wouldn't you think this would happen in the US? I am not surprised at all that a bunch of rednecks want to kill the black man. They tie them to the back of a truck and drag them in Texas. Let's not forget.
[ Reply | Options ]That I'm not surprised about. I'm surprised that 2 major candidates in 2008 are not condemning it, actually inciting this kind of talk.
[ Reply | Options ]Palin doesn't surprise me at all. I"m sure she is racist and she is obviously mean and win at all cost. McCain sold his soul. He wants to win. No matter what it takes. He was a good man. No more.
[ Reply | Options ]I agree. He is not going to win anyway and he has smeared his own character forever. I hope he regrets it for the rest of his life.
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If you check the facts, Obama started the negative campaigning before obama. obama has sold his soul to the likes of wright and farrakhan. He has ties to terrorists and muslim extremsit groups. Google this name : Dr. Khalid al-Mansour
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Oh please, both sides have crazy radicals. Obama's buddy actually is a terrorist who advocated killing your parents to bring on a revolution. After the horrible Manson murders he said these exact words about the rich people who were killed "''Dig it! Manson killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, then they shoved a fork into a victim's stomach."
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OP: to clarify, what bothers and surprises me is not that there are crazy or racist supporters of McCain/Palin, but that McCain/Palin did not denounce these types of comments and in fact appear to be inciting them by basically calling Obama a terrorist. This is not the level of discourse I want in my presidential candidates.
[ Reply | Options ]And the Obama supporters who are calling Palin and her 17 year old daughter a slut and a whore and her baby, illegitimate are also not denounced bt Obama
[ Reply | Options ]As a matter of fact they are. Obama was the first one to say that anything relating to Palin's family was not appropriate in a campaign and that families should be off limits. He could have had an absolute field day with this, but chose not to. That's classy. This is disgusting. That's the difference in the candidates and their campaigns.
[ Reply | Options ]What are you talking about? As soon as Palin announced Bristol's pregnancy, Obama stated firmly that families are off limits and he would not condone criticism of Bristol. Nowhere have I heard that someone has yelled "Bristol is a slut" at an Obama rally loud enough to be heard and reported on. Plus, I think it is a little scarier that Palin incited a supporter to kill a presidential candidate.
[ Reply | Options ]How do you know that they heard what the crazies were saying? You read an op-ed piece in the ultra liberal Washington Post by an ultra liberal columnist and think that is the whole truth.
[ Reply | Options ]The point that is scary is that McCain/Palin are pursuing a strategy of calling Obama a terrorist and then they are suppsed to be surprised when their supporters say this kind of stuff?
[ Reply | Options ]they are saying that he fraternizes with known terrorists, even going so far as to write a forward in Ayers book. As early as 2001 Ayers, talking about the bombing, told a reporter that he was sad he could not have done more. Tell me Obama didn't know about this mans's past. He was a popular figure in Hyde Park
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I dated a real loser in high school. Doesn't make me a loser, doesn't mean I shared every thought and word with the guy. Have you never associated with someone and then realized, hey, we don't have much in common. Or do you live a perfect life surrounded by perfect people?
[ Reply | Options ]OP: again, it is not that they have loser supporters, it is that McCain/Palin are pursuing a strategy that incites this kind of talk.
[ Reply | Options ]That is not true. You read liberal op-ed and take it for truth. Drink the Kool-aid
[ Reply | Options ]What do you think they want when Palin says that Obama pals around with terrorists and that he doesn't see America like other Americans?
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Ayers is not "Obama's buddy" and neither Obama nor Biden EVER try to incite hatred and vile behaviors in their supporters - in fact they regularly point out that McCain's a decent guy (even though he's not). This hate mongering by McCain/Palin is disgusting and drags our country into the gutter (country first, my ass!)
[ Reply | Options ]Obama wrote the forward to his book, testified as a favor to Ayers on a bill about Juvenile offenders (they wanted no federal jail time for even the most heinous crimes committed by teens) and worked directly with him in an organization that handed out millions to organizations like Acorn. He was also his neighbor and often socialized with him. Ayers is "famous" in Hyde Park, Obama's neighborhood, as a radical activist and the local papers often wrote about him. So don't tell me that he was just a casual aquaintance.
[ Reply | Options ]How about I tell you this. It is possible to hold two thoughts/convictions in your head while knowing all types of people. As per your line, everyone in the current admin have relationships with war criminals.... get a grip!
[ Reply | Options ]So if you knew a man who raped children, you could just look the other way and say "let's be friends?"
[ Reply | Options ]Yes, of course! Is that the answer you like? How about Rumsfeld and Saddam. Was Saddam head of the PTA when they licked eachother's ass, or was he an abhorent tyranical leader?
[ Reply | Options ]He was never friends with Saddam personally. Obama had Ayers over for cookouts. That must have been some kind of small talk
[ Reply | Options ]You foolish, ignorant woman. What do you think they were hatching when they met so many years ago???? We became allies with them. By your flimsy comparison, we're complicent. Pls. Your thinking is so limited. Who gives a shit about those cook outs??? Do you really believe BO is a terrorist in the bluff?? Do yo really?????
[ Reply | Options ]I believe that he shares the same values as Ayers. He helped Ayers by testifying on his behalf in order to eliminate Federal Prison time for Murders and rapists who happen to be teenagers. Ayers would NEVER associate with anyone who does not share his radical beliefs much less trust them to write the forward in his book. Nice name calling, did you learn that from the crazy right wingers that discussed in this post
[ Reply | Options ]As a mother (I assume you are since you are on this site), can you really not see that someone should believe that teenagers should not get federal prison time for their crimes but should be dealt with in the state juvenile justice system? You may disagree, but can't you at least see that there is a valid argument to be made?
[ Reply | Options ]As I a mother, I call bullshit on you. You are making Ayers a sticking point when you actually are hiding your racism. Say whay you like about your well articulated point. Are you sitting the election out? Voting for McCain? If McCain is your choice then pls reconsider the many ramifications for your children. There are many.
[ Reply | Options ]A girl I went to school with in the 80's went to the mall and was tracked by a 16 year old with a litany of past crimes. He stalked her, carjacked her, took her to the woods, raped her with a stick, sodomized her and then slowly killed her. Do you think this person should go to county jail? IF so, this conversation is over.
[ Reply | Options ]Is that your solution to everything, calling Racist? Exactly how am I racists? Because I disagree with Obama's associations? Because I want rapists and murderers to go to jail. How dare you accuse me of racism when you know nothing about my life. My daughter is adopted from Vietnam, my niece and nephew are adopted from Peru and my brother is married to a woman from Haiti who is my closest friend. How dare you.
[ Reply | Options ]I agree with you, but to make this piece the sticking point for voting for McCain, for which BO is not soley responsible seems limited and smells like grabbing at straws. There is much that needs to be legislated to keep our kids safer. For the love of GOD, we can't even handle bullies in our schools. We could go on and on. Your point, however valid in a narrow context, seems disingenuous.
[ Reply | Options ]I do not for one second pretend to have the answers to all or any of the problems of our criminal justice system. But it seems to me that a system that effectively gives up on youthful offenders at the age of 16 or 17 by putting them into the adult criminal justice system is as broken as one that puts them back on the streets at 21 without rehabilitation.
[ Reply | Options ]Why isn't the state juvenile justice system sufficient? In Florida, you can be charged as an adult as young as 12. As there is no federal juvenile system to speak of, Ayers was looking to keep young offenders, even the most heinously violent, away from hardened criminals. Why? Because it has been proven that children in adult prisons have a higher recidivism rate and leave prison more violent than those incarcerated with other young offenders. It isn't a picnic in a state system - it is punishment.
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Read the facts: http://fightthesmears.com/articles/22/AyersSmear
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You do know that he is a well respected educator. Not condoning his past activities but O was eight YO at the time.
[ Reply | Options ]I agree - he is a professor at the U of Illinois. It's a stretch for Palin to say that anyone who know deals with Ayers pals around with terrorists.
[ Reply | Options ]It's a travesty that he is even working. He is unapologetic about the bombing even publicly refusing to denounce his words and actions and said he would have liked to have done more. he only reason that he's not rotting in jail is because some idiot agents wiretapped without a warrant.
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I encounter overt racism where i live- in the same breath that someone is telling my daughter how cute she is, I have heard nasty, ugly racist remarks.
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This "artice" is an op-ed piece from a liberal columnist. GO to newsbusters.org and you will see the same kind of reporting from the other side
[ Reply | Options ]So go ahead and post them and we can make our own decisions. That is the Palin supporters' answer to everything - liberal media blah blah blah. It is getting old.
[ Reply | Options ]BUt it's true. You are always accusing Fox News of unbalanced reporting when it suits your side. There was a survey taken of newspaper reporters about 8 years ago and 94% considered themselves liberal democrats. The BBC had to reprimand their reporters for clearly unbalanced reporting in the past. So it's not just a random accusation.
[ Reply | Options ]It starts to become the campaign that cried wolf when Palin is accusing Katie Couric of media bias when she asked Palin and Biden the same questions - tough ones like what newspapers she reads. Or when Couric gives Palin the chance to explain her own positions - like why seeing Alaska from Russia gives her foreign policy experience. It just doesn't fly anymore.
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It is in the Washington Post, a major newspaper. I am not posting something from Daily Kos here.
[ Reply | Options ]The Post ceased being a real paper years ago. Maybe if they stopped publicly endorsing liberal candidates, I would believe they were unbiasd
[ Reply | Options ]Oh, so now the only 'real' papers are the ones that endorse conservative candidates? Your positions are pathetic because there's no way that Obama/Biden have or would incite racist and violent behavior, while McCain/Palin regularly do. They are the domestic terrorists in this scenario.
[ Reply | Options ]I don't believe that newspapers should endorse at all. How exactly are they "inciting" racism" I mean precisely what is Palin saying?
[ Reply | Options ]You don't believe newspapers should endorse at all? Um, okay. They all do. This is part of what they do.
[ Reply | Options ]No, newspapers exist to report the news. How can a reader be sure that they are getting an objective supply of information when they know which side of the fence the paper sits? I think it is dangerous.
[ Reply | Options ]I think that readers can read enough papers to see multiple sides of issues and understand the biases that papers might have. But at least papers don't get the tax exempt status of churches that endorse candidates - primarily conservative churches - telling their poor members that they'll go to hell if they vote for the other guy. I really hope the IRS gets their asses in court and that soon they'll lose their exemptions.
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It's precisely what she and McCain are NOT saying that is the problem. Their supporters are getting worked up at rallies based on their calls of palling around with 'terrorists' and 'killing unborn babies' and yelling extremely frightening and racist things. If Palin/McCain had any conscience whatsoever, they'd make it very, very clear that this behavior (even if they didn't hear it at the time) is absolutely NOT condoned. Instead they do the wink wink or smirk and continue their disgusting attacks.
[ Reply | Options ]the "wink" and "smirk" are your interpretations based on seeing them through your own prism. That's not exactly condoning
[ Reply | Options ]Not saying anything at all - or looking the other way - IS condoning. Anyone older than about 5 knows that.
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WHAT?? So - to try to find a simpler, parallel example, if your dc was playing in the sandbox with another kid and starts to pull their hair and throw sand in their eyes and the other mother doesn't notice but wonders why their child is crying, I guess you wouldn't say anything either? The other kid is just a whiner right? Your 'perceptions' of right and wrong seem awfully skewed (and screwed) to me.
[ Reply | Options ]Of course not. But over the course of the past week, at least, there are documented videos showing these despicable behaviors at rallies and there has not been one single word from either McCain or Palin saying that this is not acceptable. They should be speaking out forcefully saying that we can disagree passionately, but that there's no place for racist or hateful comments. By staying silent, they condone it - and, using the logic of the GOP poster above - by association (like Obama/Ayers) I guess I'd have to conclude that all of the GOP voters who sit silently or defend these actions do too.
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I just spent fifteen minutes there. I found nothing about Obama/Biden to compare to above. I found a lot of smoke about the Obama/Ayres relationship which all filters down to... "We have no proof but we want it to be true so here is what we say is the truth." The best was apparently there was a meeting of the board of the education foundation (CAC) funded by Reagan friend/Nixon's Ambassador Walter Annenberg in 1995. There are no minutes from that board meeting. So nobody knows who was there or not and who, if anyone said anything about any topic. This, to the folks on these sites, is all very suspicious.
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The irony is that there are hundreds of thousands of democrats who are not going to vote for Obama because he's black. You should maybe start pointing fingers at your own party.
[ Reply | Options ]I heard the number was 1/3. That's nuts. In a poll of republicans, 87% said they would vote for Condeleeza or Colin Powell.
[ Reply | Options ]Saying you will and doing it when the curtain is closed are two different things. No way, would the Palin's of the world vote for a Black candidate. Not even if he/she could snake handle and speak in tongues...not happening.
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How would you know? You live in a bubble called NYC. I'm like a fish out of water here and people judge me constantly when the they find out I'm a Republican. One woman, who I was having a lively and fun conversation with at the park, assumed that I was a dem and when I corrected her, she turn heel and left me mid-sentence. Bigotry is pervasive throughout society
[ Reply | Options ]Where do you get off saying that you know where I live? I live in bubble called NYC do I? Oh, yeah, everyone who posts on this board lives in this bubble, do they? How awful for you that you were snubbed at the park. I'm sure you were scarred for life. I stand by my belief that most GOP voters would vote for a 2nd rate loser candidate as long as he was white, before they'd vote for a black man or woman.
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I'm sure you are heartfelt in saying this but the reality flows the other direction...
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I'm just waiting for someone to yell out "lynch him" at these rallies, and you know it's coming and then watch the Republican Party tote out their token Black party "representative" whow will do a good job justifying McCain/Palin inflamming their supporters to take the life a Black man.
[ Reply | Options ]It just shows how expendable a Black man's life is in this country and McCain doesn't have a problem with that with his half-hearted condemnations. The Republicans are good at getting all "Willie Horton" on the Dems a&&es. I think it's time for the Dems to get medieval and stop acting like a bunch of pu&&ies. It worked for Clinton in 92. He stayed aboved the fray, but his attack dogs (like Carville) b!tched-slap Dole and the Republicans all up and down the beltway. Like my grandmother says...you don't fight sh!t with flowers, you fight sh!t with sh!t.
[ Reply | Options ]My other thought is that the Dems need to scrutinize the donor rolls of McCain, because I would bet all of my pitiful life savings that he has taken and spent campaign contributions from know "domestic terrorist" White supremist groups and/or the individuals who are members or supporters of these White supremist groups. I'd be willing to put both of my kids college tuition on the line to prove this one. I'm sure McCain and Jesse Helms were probably good buddies on the beltway and Jesse was just one white sheet away from being a Grand Wizard.
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Yes, they sad this was a COMPLETE FABRICATION. I heard it on cnn.com, not fox news. The fact that stories are out there is shocking. I think Obamasheep are trying to subtly threaten a race war if he loses. They will call America racist. Ignoring the fact that most americans are really not comfortable with a supper liberal "spread the wealth around" liberal with a super majority liberal Congress.
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