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wow, only 23 kids/class in A's Kindergarten this week! I wonder if they will take 2 more kids/class? or keep it at 23 and take more in 1st grade next year? I know there are hundreds of pissed off parents with 99 scoring kids right now. I would be pissed too! (my kid is in an upper grade) or I would feel the same as you do.
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I actually think it is good. stuffing these classes to the max isn't great. why shouldn't the citywides have the same opportunity as other G&Ts to end up with a smaller class one year?
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not op, but i think anyone who qualifies for a seat at a school of there choice should have the opportunity to get one up to the max of 25 dcs per class, which is what it is at every gen ed. the only difference between g&t and gen ed should be acceleration/enrichment, not class size.
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plenty of G&Ts are not full. doe can do what they want, but I do not feel strongly that every last seat must be filled. so tired of this talk.
[ Reply | Options ]the ones that aren't full aren't full because people chose not to go there. there are hundreds of people dying to go to nest or a. totally different scenario. you're making a completely specious argument here.
[ Reply | Options ]well, doe is trying to spread around the wealth so to speak. people can go to these other schools, or wait and try again. I think stuffing the few top programs and closing others is bad. I think its good to spread around the smart kids with invested families. it is good for everyone. people built anderson and nest. people can build other good programs.
[ Reply | Options ]wait, so the doe is arbitrarily denying qualified dcs seats at citywides in the hopes those dcs' parents will do their jobs for them at gen eds? that argument is laughable. i never suggested they stuff the top programs. i'm saying the class size should be the same at any other school and that as many qualified dcs as make up 25-student classes should be admitted. it's not about "building the schools" it's about fairness and not letting the resources at the citywides go to waste when so many dcs qualified for them. btw, there is no incentive "build" the schools under the new system. the parents and admins. have no authority anymore. the doe has stripped them of it. those schools built from the ground up with the parents and admin in charge, making their own rules and feeling completely invested, are a thing of the past.
[ Reply | Options ]I am saying that if people had listed all options they would all have a G&T spot. sometimes someone will not come or will drop a spot. this will happen everywhere, at every programm. I do not think you have to run and fill the spots. people had their chance, and could have had a G&T. if they are sitting in a gen ed after scoring a high score, it is their snobby parents fault. doe is right to spread around these kids. better for everyone.
[ Reply | Options ]this isn't about getting a spot. it's about getting a spot at a citywide. what you're saying is, it's fine for the doe not to fill the citywides because qualified dcs can go to districtwides. but the doe itself has said that those dcs who score above 97% are best-suited for citywide. your arguments make no sense.
[ Reply | Options ]well obviously that is not important or there would be as many citywide seats as district wide since half of the kids qualifying for G&Ts scored 97+. I think if a couple of spots go unfilled, it is not a big deal, and I do n ot think there is a huge difference between citywide and districtwide. its more a school difference and frankly I would have preferred many district options over some of the citywides.
[ Reply | Options ]we didn't list tag because it would have been too difficult to get to. as i say, i'm not making a federal case out of this. i'm just pointing out i could have had a chance to send my qualifying dc to a school of my choice but that chance was denied by the doe because they didn't feel like doing wait lists this year. it's not about sharing the wealth or spreading it around or any of these other inane arguments, it's about the lack of a wait list. end of story. maybe next year the doe will revisit this issue. maybe not. i've moved on. just making a point.
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try again? you realize that no one gets in at a for first grade except a sib or two, right?
[ Reply | Options ]like I said, I do not think it is a tragedy to leave a spot open here and there. so they let in one more sib next year. or they don't. just go to your local public if you don't like the competition.
[ Reply | Options ]I never said that, nor did I suggest that. I am saying that there are costs to every decision doe makes. costs to not having w/ls, and costs for having them. it is not about right and wrong, it is about weighing the costs and benefits. you seem to have trouble understanding the basics of this.
[ Reply | Options ]yes, I agree. but perhaps dollar for dollar, having a w/l with kids moving all over until the 2nd month of school was just more costly for the doe, or closing programs that were needed in certain communities because at the last minute a few kiids got into better schools elsewhere. I do not think a smaller class for a year costs that much comppared to these costs. who knows what else is involved.
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np: It was like this at NEST last year for my dc's K class. I thought that was about the crazy way they did the ranking last year. Now I guess it is by design. It does seem like if you are saying gen ed K teachers should be able to handle a class of 25 w/o issue, the system ought to hold the teachers at the Citywides to the same standard. Especially considering how many kids there are for each of those seats.
[ Reply | Options ]its not about whether the teachers can handle it. it is about whether enough people granted a spot, took it. some did not, hence open spots. we are talking a couple. hardly a tragedy, and you are dramatizing this to make trouble again. we are tired of you.
[ Reply | Options ]^^oops, ...time I've posted on this. I have a friend whose ds took and did really well on OLSAT but did not get into NEST. He'd take a seat tomorrow if offered it. I think the work involved at DOE to fill up the classrooms at those few schools is worth the effort. Again, I have a vested interest in this not happening, but I recognize what is fair.
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You just like trying to stir up trouble, don't you? It is almost funny how invested you are in doing this.
[ Reply | Options ]op: Excuse me? I am not trying to stir up trouble. I am just passing along some info in case it can help someone.
[ Reply | Options ]lol! you are always here bringing up this stuff. all the injustices. all the justifiably pissed people. lord, you need to get a life!
[ Reply | Options ]ha! so helpful. we all feel much better now knowing we were just an inch away from a spot at anderson.
[ Reply | Options ]np: Why are you blaming the OP for this? Sounds as if the OP is sympathetic to your situation. So why are you now flaming her for bringing this up?
[ Reply | Options ]I did not get a spot at anderson for my kis. it is over for us this year. dc is at nest which I am very mixed about. I do not think it is all that helpful at this point for op to keep bringing up the injustice of these few spots going unfilled and making everyone angry all over again. it is what it is. every year, kids who should have or would have gotten the spot they deserve, don't there is no way around it, and there never will be. I am sick of obsessibg over this.
[ Reply | Options ]If you're sick of this, why on earth are you posting in this thread? And why are you attacking anyone who wants to talk about it? If you don't want to talk about it, don't participate, but stop flaming people who do.
[ Reply | Options ]but your post is repetitive and provocotive...over and over again. always talking about how pissed everyone is, and how we should all be up in arms over the travesty of the G&T process. Frankly, I was with you at one time, but I am just not feeling it anymore. I think DOE did a reasonable job. I think they made choices that hurt some and helped others and I think there are costs and benefits to every decision, as there always have been. not much more to say.
[ Reply | Options ]I am a np, so I don't know what you mean by repetitive & provocative. Again, if you're not prepared to discuss, then don't participate. It is really THAT easy.
[ Reply | Options ]I am discussing just fime. I have made a couple of points in fact: 1) rabble ousing for the sake of rabble rousing is annoying and unhelpful/counterproductive. and 2) there are many ways to think about this process, but clearly there is no right and wrong, just a balance of overall what seems best for most, problematic for the fewest and the least costly. probably other things go into the mix. have no problem discussing
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ITA, and I hope the DOE revives the wait list procedure. Yes, I'm sure it's a massive headache, but those 4 seats that are left unfilled (assuming they're not filled in the coming weeks) would mean a lot to 4 families. And that is just 1 program. From posts here, it sounds like Nest has empty seats also, and I'm sure some District programs do too.
[ Reply | Options ]I like the w/ls too, but it may be impossible to manage with the massive numbers testing, which may only increase. as it is the results came out so late. then all the changing and movement. may not have been worth it to have a w/l just to make sure 4 families are happier
[ Reply | Options ]I still think it would be worth it, given that there are so few entry points in later grades. In reading the posts above, I'm amazed at the vitriol directed at anyone who has an opinion about this situation. Sometimes, UB is an utterly vile place where people seem incapable of having a civil discussion.
[ Reply | Options ]oh, come on. you come here over and over again bringing up this issue. constantly provoking upset. I really don't get it. if you have moved on, why do you still want others to be upset? it is weird.
[ Reply | Options ]You are mistaking me for someone else. I am the parent of a dc in 1 of the Anderson K classes. And yes, I still believe those 4 seats should be filled. My dc's class has 3 teachers in the classroom; they can certainly handle 2 more kids! I am very grateful that my dc has this opportunity, and I think the DOE should do a better job than it currently is doing, if there are 4 vacancies at just 1 school (and apparently many more at Nest).
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So, what do the parents whose kid scored 99 but did not get seats at Anderson and NEST intend to DO about it? What action are you planning to take on Monday morning?
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Poster of "What action?": Not trying to rouse rabble. It's just that posting here will have no effect on the situation. If you know there's an empty spot where your equally-qualified (99) child was not admitted, then there is a real opportunity here. Contact Klein, Bloomberg, NYT, but do something real instead of engaging in pointless debate here. I'm sure both schools would be delighted to fill any empty seats. Kids in full classes in prior years got a GREAT education at A. Nobody wants those seats empty.
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NNNP ( I think): We did call last week, after several emails back and forth. guess what? we got a spot at anderson K for our ds. I still cannot believe it. see you monday, anderson moms!!!!!
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think what you like. I hesitated even getting involved in this thread because although OP is calling people forth to do something, she is going to be quite upset to realize that many of us already have, and have been successful. Now people will target us, want to know why we got it over them, etc. i have no idea btw, although I will say ds got a perfect score, or nearly.
[ Reply | Options ]Your lying. I sent emails also this week, and I also have a ds. I also called.. to deafening silence.
[ Reply | Options ]Action Poster: My children are much older - not in this process at the K level at all. I just hate for people to complain in a way that's ineffective. So yes, I do encourage those of you who have the numbers to seek those seats to do so rather than posting here. I hope you really did get a seat for your child. I'm sure his classmates will welcome him and the parents will be gracious too. Anderson is a great school and capable of educating just as many kids this year as in prior years!
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