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  • Poll: How many of you pull your kids out of school so that you can vacation off cycle from the crowds? My DD will start K and the info strongly advises against pulling kids out for vacation. It's too expensive/annoying to go where we want during the regular Feb. vacation, so our choice is either go on vacation end of January or no vacation this winter. WWYD? What's been your experience for those K parents who have BTDT?

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    08.21.08, 11:38 AM [ Flag ]
    • We did it for a week and they did not say much but I think it gets harder as dc gets older

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      08.21.08, 11:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Ditto. We go to South America in March and other than writing a letter to explain the absence, no problem in K. We'll see this year

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        08.22.08, 07:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I'll ditto that. DH family is in S. America. His job prevents him from travelling over Christmas and our district does not have a Feb. break. So, we pull our kids every year to visit family. Oldest dd has quite a bit of work to make up but we don't have too much of a choice - or at least, we don't like our choices.

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          08.22.08, 11:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We did this for dh's business trip to Hawaii and pulled dc out for over a week. However, cleared with school first and dc was only in 1st grade. Harder as you get older. If you are in a public, 4th grade attendance is seriously considered for admission to middle schools. So only do this in 3rd grade or below. Frankly, as your kids get older, you are stuck with regular vacations just like everyone else. Also, if you are NYC public, there's an April vacation that is usually different from all other schools (coincides with Passover), so you can do it then.

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      08.21.08, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • In public schools don't like it but they can't do much about it. In private it is more dangerous.

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      08.21.08, 11:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • we just go to different places that better fit our budget during school breaks

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      08.21.08, 11:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We're in the same boat at ongoing, and we either find a destination we can afford or stay in town for those vacations. I don't know anyone else in our grades who's done otherwise. Only exception I can think of is a dc who went away for a family reunion, but I know they discussed it with the school first and the admin was 100% supportive.

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      08.21.08, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • K - not a big deal, but as the get older attendance becomes more important and can even count against DC when trying to get into the middle schools or special high schools

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      08.21.08, 12:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Np-It only counts against dc for specialized HS if dc is borderline to begin with. Because of a lengthy illness and death of my father last year dc missed 39 days. They made up the work and did some extra stuff and dd still got into Stuy, where she doesn't even want to go.

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        08.22.08, 07:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Right, but she did not have a pattern. There were special circumstances. Trust me, if a dc is missing tons of school most years it makes a huge difference

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          08.22.08, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np. i heard this from all the moms applying to ms this year. they had to bring attendance records to interviews and they were carefully scrutinized.

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            08.22.08, 10:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • We have never done that, even in preschool. Really no problems in vacationing in February, April, summer and Christmas.

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      08.21.08, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • It was very common in my DC's public K class. There were a lot of DC from foreign countries, so families went away for 2 or 3 weeks. Teachers didn't seem to be bothered, but this is a school w/lots of international families.

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      08.21.08, 01:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • our ps is a very popular one. they have made it clear they won't tolerate it.

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      08.21.08, 01:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • please share which one. Thanks

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        08.21.08, 01:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • They lose funding for absences.

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        08.21.08, 01:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • yes, they made that clear. they said they will suspend and even expel. plus it goes in the permanent record for middle school admissions. etc.

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          08.21.08, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • They can't do that. Individual public schools do not get to make their own rules.

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            08.22.08, 07:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • it's within doe guidelines. it's an unexcused absence and it affects a school;s funding and a its school report. that said, schools can't be prevented from dealing with it as they see fit.

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              08.22.08, 10:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Schools can not suspend or expell for that reason no matter what they tell you. Find me the DOE regs that say different.

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                08.22.08, 10:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • if it's more than a certain number of days, they can. i think it's more than 10. unless there are extenuating circumstances.

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                  08.22.08, 11:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • Please post the regs that say that. Public shcools lose money for every day a child is not in school. They are not trying to exacerbate that.

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                    08.22.08, 11:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • np: They do lose the money but can't do anything about it unless dc misses 10% of days, which is 18 days+. That is a potential cause for retention, and if unexcused CPS will be called on you too.

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                      08.22.08, 11:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • If a student misses more than 3 days of school in a row the school can report it to child protective services and it will be hassle that you will regret ever having to deal with...

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                  08.23.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I've heard that private schools get very ticked if you do this - if you do it more than once they will threaten not to renew your contract.

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      08.21.08, 04:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You're setting a bad precedent for your kids. School is school and you're supposed to be there. If your child woke up one day and said, "I don't feel like going to school, I need a vacation day" would you be happy about it? Plus, is it fair to the teachers to have a kid out for a week for a vacation and then they have to deal with the catch up work? I personally don't think it's appropriate.

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      08.22.08, 05:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I know many parents who let their dc stay home from school once in a while for "mental health days". I

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        08.22.08, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I totally understand mental health days if dc is feeling off as long it's not more than once or twice a year. Similarly, I don't think adding an extra day to a weekend is a huge deal. However, taking a week off school is too much IMO. Definitely if dc is in third grade and up.

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          08.22.08, 07:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • attendance can come into play in the future when trying to get into spots at competitive schools - so be careful how many you take off

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            08.22.08, 07:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • If you miss 5 days a year or less it is a non-issue no matter what the reason is.

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              08.22.08, 11:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • no, the reason matters. if you yank dc out of school for five day's to take a week's vacation, that's different than a day here and there with the sniffles.

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                08.22.08, 12:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • nope, it doesn't. All absences count the same, the school does not get a break if absences are excused (illness) or unexcused either, they lose funding regardless. And the school report just has a number for absences and late days, not reason for either.

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                  08.22.08, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • we'll be in a public k and talked to the principal already. we're pulling dc out for weeks at a time for travel. it's friggin kindergarten. that said, your school has a different opinion and you should probably respect that. unfortunately. if it's public you can sign a form that says you plan to "home school" and the school doesn't lose funding.

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      08.22.08, 07:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • School is school and should be treated as such from day one on. The only time the kid is not going is when he's sick. Everything else has to wait until after school or during school breaks.

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      08.22.08, 07:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • np: even preschool? we missed months of preschool. took off for grammas house, for vacations, stayed home and had playdates instead. plan on missing a bunch of kindergarten too. judge away, my kid is happy, we're happy.

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        08.22.08, 07:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • nnp - Why would you miss a bunch of kindergarten days? Why can't you do what you do during the scheduled vacation days?

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          08.22.08, 07:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Preschool was more play than education so, yes, we had a few days here and there when we kept him out. Kindergarten is an entirely different story.

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          08.22.08, 07:36 AM [ Flagged | link to this post ]
        • I just don't see the point of wasting money on preschool and/or taking a spot away from other kids if you don't take it that seriously in the first place.

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          08.22.08, 07:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • it was not wasted money at all. it was totally worth it to have a place for her to go and socialize and learn most of the time. and i don't understand why you would take preschool seriously.

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            08.22.08, 08:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Why send a kid to preK if you don't have respect for what the teachers do? I am not being snarky, but don't understand why you did not do daycare instead?

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          08.22.08, 07:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Or just keep dc at home and do a version of homeschooling for that age?

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            08.22.08, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • the preschool program was great, much better than daycare. i have total respect for the teachers. they understood that it didn't matter if dc was there every day or not.

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            08.22.08, 08:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • np - IMO the program is not that great if they don't care whether a dc is there every day or not. Most great programs have a curriculum or at least long-term projects and it would matter.

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              08.22.08, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • A good daycare offers a preschool curriculum at the 3-5 y/o level as well, so an absence will have the same impact.

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                08.22.08, 10:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • nnp. ITA. And at our daycare they make it upfront that dc need structure, and pulling dc out is bad for them and the other dc in the group.

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                  08.22.08, 11:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Wouldn't this hurt you when you were applying for kindergarten?

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          08.22.08, 10:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think a day or two is fine, more than that is a bad idea.

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      08.22.08, 07:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Things were so busy at DH's firm that he couldn't take any real time off this summer. We really want to extend one of the three day holidays into a longer time. In a TT upper school. DD can keep up with work with a little cramming. What are consequences if we keep DD out of school thru the end of the week?

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        08.22.08, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Does anyone know where Hunter stands on the issue of occasional extra time away?

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      08.22.08, 06:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Families do it. You need to work it out with the teacher re assignments and I assume you also need to clear it with the administration.

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        08.22.08, 06:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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