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  • Several times a day, 2.8 yo flaps his ears vigorously when he is excited, has meltdowns for the most insignificant things (wwaaahhhhh, i dropped my spoon!!, my hand is dirty!!), and several times a night he wakes up and will scream for hours if we don't go to to him (still in crib). Has had sleep issues since birth. Ped says he is not on the autism spectrum bc he makes good eye contact and is verbally advanced, but has anyone dealt with this type of behavior? I know a lot of kids have trouble self-regulating, but I think he is worse than average. How do I help him control the ear flapping? It's out of control sometimes.

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    07.28.08, 12:24 PM [ Flag ]
    • sounds like sensory issues. is he in school yet? If not, I'm sure they'll recommend OT when he gets there. Sounds a lot like ds who's gotten OT since 15 mos so he's much better now at 4. But not on spectrum by a mile - very social, outgoing, verbal, happy etc.

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      07.28.08, 12:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP - thanks, glad to hear there are others. We tried to qualify for EI and got rejected, but private OT is very expensive. Does your DS need a special ed teacher in the classroom with him? DS starts preschool in September, btw.

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        07.28.08, 12:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • no, no seit. surprised he didn't qualify. you can try again as CPSE (at 3). but I'd get him an eval from a private OT - that could help get him CPSE, potentially. It is expensive but you'll see how he adjusts in school. If he's having a hard time and it's affecting him in the classroom, try to get through state but otherwise, worth it in the long run to get him services, imo.

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          07.28.08, 12:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • np: Why are you surprised he didn't qualify? She hasn't described anything that would merit it.

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            07.28.08, 12:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • What does pediatrician say?

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      07.28.08, 12:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • op - not on spectrum, will probably outgrow it, therapy "may" help... looking for input from other moms who may have similar issues

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        07.28.08, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • He sounds like a 2yo who needs help sleeping. He's probably melting down because 1) he's 2 and 2) he's tired. I'd address the sleep issues and not worry that there's something "wrong" with him.

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      07.28.08, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • op - how do would you address the sleep issues? we have tried everything. letting an almost-3 yo cry in the middle of the night is tough, he gets very very loud. but it's been a week and he still gets up. he has been promised rewards if he stays quiet all night. we don't know what else to do.

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        07.28.08, 12:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • I'm not a sleep expert, so I'd either consult one or read the books written by some (Ferber, Weissbluth). I don't think rewards are really going to work for that sort of issue. Can you figure out why he wakes up?

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          07.28.08, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • op - thanks. have read them all. weissbluth is extremely confusing. he is the one who suggests positive praise for a night with no wake-ups, basic idea is to minimize parental attention at night, which is what we are doing by not going in and putting up with hours of hollering. no reason why he wakes up, just a bad habit i think, but he is really hard to "train."

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            07.28.08, 12:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • Like I said, not an expert (and do agree that Weissbluth, although useful, is impossible to read) but I would look for someone that is (or see what sleep advice you can find). Good luck.

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              07.28.08, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • OP: ignore this person. sleep is important but it's all part of the same thing. hard to go back to sleep when you can't settle. (try giving magnesium by the way).

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        07.28.08, 12:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Um, sleep is very important to toddlers and tired toddlers can manifest a lot of behaviors that parents want to see as "sensory" or "behavioral" when the kid is just tired. Not knowing how to "settle" back to sleep is not a sign of a larger issue. And you're rude.

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          07.28.08, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • op - i am sorry, but i am going to have to disagree. neurological issues, self-regulatory and self-control issues, and problems processing stimuli may indeed affect one's ability to turn off the world and go to sleep. i agree with you that sleep is important and tired toddlers behave worse than well-rested ones, but some kids are not naturally good at sleeping, imo.

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            07.28.08, 12:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Ear flapping? What is ear flapping?

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      07.28.08, 12:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Accept your child for who he is. Address the issues (needs sleep) and don't try to find a syndrome or label to apply to him. He's just a little boy and it really doesn't sound like there's anything wrong with him.

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      07.28.08, 12:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • op - i do accept him, but the ear flapping is not at all normal at this age. that, along with other behaviours, may indicate underlying neurological issues. mostly there is nothing wrong with him, but i worry that his social development may be impaired by all this.

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        07.28.08, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • we have similiar issues, no ear flapping but everything else. having OT now, learning he needs tons of structure and more sleep.

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      07.28.08, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Hmmm...I'd want a second opinion. Is your pediatrician excellent?

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      07.28.08, 12:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I agree. I wouldn't trust a regular ped's opinion on whether or not the child is on the autism spectrum. I would go to a developmental pediatrician.

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        07.28.08, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • op - went to ped neurologist who agreed he is not on spectrum.

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          07.28.08, 12:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • what did the neurologist say?

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            07.28.08, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • op - therapy "may" help, ear flapping may go away later when he realizes it is socially unacceptable behaviour. just wondering what others' experience has been with this type of thing.

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              07.28.08, 12:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • my 5.9yo ds had some obsessive behavior around age 2. He would repeat the same word over and over. He had bad eye contact, poor fine motor skills, poor attention. Great sleeper. He was not dx'ed anything until this year as a mild PDD-NOS and ADHD. I think dx'ing a 2yo is difficult and it's wise to wait until an older age. If I were you, I would get a CPSE eval when your child turns 3. In the meantime, I would have an OT do an eval.

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                07.28.08, 12:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • Ignore the sleep cranks and magnesium suggestion. Find developmental ped. Columbia's Children's Hospital of NY is best place to find pediatric specialists in NYC. It's rated #6 in the country and is the only NY hospital in the top 10 (or maybe even top 25 or 50) Cut to the chase. No time to waste on sleep training and herbs and acupuncture and ball pits and on and on...

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          07.28.08, 12:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • OT can be so helpful. You can pay privately only until CPSE kicks in. Your insurance company will reimburse you according to your plan. Making Milestones is a good place to go. They specialize in sensory integration. They have 3 location in Manhattan.

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      08.09.08, 06:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • As for the sleeping, there is no way I would let a child of any age cry for hours. Go sit with him or let him sleep in your bed so you can all get a peaceful night's sleep. As for the meltdowns, how do you normally handle them?

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      08.09.08, 06:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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