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I've decided, I'm not vaccinating my daughter. You can flame all you want, but mark my words, you'll wish you were me 20 years from now.
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Read this, and then decide. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm57e222a1.htm
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have you had issues with preschools or schools about it? Do you tell people or keep it secret (other than here)
[ Reply | Options ]no, I have to write a letter saying we are claiming our religious exemption. We've done it every year without incident. We know lots of people who don't vax and lots who do, but the only place I've EVER been judged for it? UB. ;-)
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that's because here, we can tell you we think it's irresponsible both personally and globally. but no one will say that to your face.
[ Reply | Options ]OR, they think it's nobody's business but mine whether I choose to vaccinate my kids. Which it isn't.
[ Reply | Options ]not exactly true. vaccinations are not only a personal issue, they are also a public health issue. stopping the spread of illness is important for the whole community.
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you can tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. i'm just telling you the truth. it's called "herd immunity" and it's an important piece of the vaccination debate.
[ Reply | Options ]Can you possibly be that stupid and neglect your children so strongly at the same time. It should be considered abuse when parents dont immunize their children. Wether or not the parents care to be immunized doesnt mean they should risk their childrens healths. For safety sake, show your kids a little love and have them immunized.
[ Reply | Options ]You're doing your children a favor by not vaccinating. You aren't putting their immune system at risk and you aren't putting those nasty toxins in their bodies. GOOD JOB, For actually doing research and not just talking out of your ass or out of your doctor's mouth!
[ Reply | Options ]ABUSE!! Who the f### are you to tell anyone that not vaccinating is abuse. Personally I think that vaccines are an assalt on human health. I don't think you abuse your kids when you vaccinate, just that you aren't well informed. You think you are doin what is right for your kid. There are parents spending 10 years in prison for Shakin Baby Syndrome, then years later they realize that the vaccines are the cause of some of these cases. People like you put people at risk for your dumb theories.
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actually, that's not entirely true. if your child gets one of those diseases that we're normally vaccinated against, and you're willing to deal with those consequences, they could infect someone else who couldnt be vaccinated b/c they were sick, or allergic, or someone who's immuno-compromised. they could, in fact, kill that person.
[ Reply | Options ]np: yeah, tell that to the parents of the infants who were exposed to measles when some dumb shits didn't vaccinate their kid, took him abroad, and he brought back measles and infected a bunch of kids (including several infants) in the pediatrician's waiting room. selfish AND stupid, you are.
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I believe religiously in making my own decisions and not being a lemming, or believing that doctors are Gods, or believing that pharmaceutical companies have no motive at all except the good of society
[ Reply | Options ]so you eschew all medications or just the ones the other PSP posters told you are bad...
[ Reply | Options ]so not only are you disregarding the best interest of your child AND society -- but you're lying about doing it for religious purposes. not being a lemming is not about a religious faith. you don't even have the integrity to let faith overshadow science -- you're just manipulating the system to make a stupid, STUPID choice that leaves your child defenseless. lovely.
[ Reply | Options ]I don't recall ever hearing anyone call doctors "Gods" and I have never heard anyone say that pharmeceutical companies are altruistic, but trying to validate something that may kill your children one day based on those thoughts will backfire on you. Pharmeceutical companies are out to get theirs. Doctors can make mistakes. However, you're trying to invalidate every medical stride made since man became sentient. The biggest problem with that is that medicine has been right far too many times for the gamble you propose to actually be worthwhile.
[ Reply | Options ]I have to agree with this. I debated long and hard regarding vaccinating my son. I finally decided to do it but ppl put their trust in the medical community and their motives aren't always pure.
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then the people I know IRL are a lot nicer/ more civilized/ more well researched than you are.
[ Reply | Options ]As a parent and social worker I have done a great deal of research in this area. I know what I am talking about, I am also very nice and civilized. However, I do not think risking your child's health or the health of many others is worth your sanctimoniousness about not vaccinating. Vaccinate later if you must, but don't skip it all together.
[ Reply | Options ]NP: This is CACA. So can you explain to me why it is that the highest rate of unvaccinated children belongs to dr's children...?
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This is absolutely untrue. I am a physician. My colleagues and I all absolutely believe in vaccination. We have all seen the consequences of illness in the unvaccinated / immunocompromised. My children are all vaccinated. Please do yourself a favor and read up about "herd immunity". The only reason you are able to get away with not vaccinating your children is because they are still protected by the herd - most children are still being vaccinated. If we reach a critical point where most children are not vaccinated (due to ill-informed decisions made by their parents) we will move back to a third-world scenario where children will be dying of childhood illnesses - almost unheard of in this day and age. (Just ask any great grandmother and they will have heart breaking stories....mine certainly had).
[ Reply | Options ]How much training do you get on vaccines? Have you ever actually researched this to the full extent? I know when I asked my doctor about it, she didn't know anything about and it could not answer a single question. I am 26...I didn't have near as many vaccines as they are giving now...and I'm still alive. YOu are trained in medicine so you would obviously feel this way. Do mind answering exactly how much money is made from vaccines each year?
[ Reply | Options ]i came to NY from the CDC. not a physician, i am a scientist. no financial interest in vaccines. you are alive and well because of herd immunity. and because even in the old days, before vaccines, many people survived to adulthood unscathed. but many didn't. vaccinating is about protecting PUBLIC HEALTH, not about scattered anecdotes from people like you.
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Religions are hardly good authorities on public health. I'd listen to your doctor instead of your preacher if you really care for your child. I understand belief is powerful but you need to examine the rational facts for the safety of your child and others. Not all immunizations are helpful or researched enough to be 100% "safe" but the ones that are given to children during the first few years of their life are reliably proven to be as safe as any medicine can be. The diseases they prevent are not safe and potentially lethal.
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ok i'll bite. tell me why I will wish i was you in 20 years. how will your dd be better off than my fully vaccinated (on a delayed schedule) dd?
[ Reply | Options ]there are so many unknowns about vaccinations. until there is more testing and the autism links are totally debunked, i'm not doing it.
[ Reply | Options ]I am 25. I was fully vaccinated with all the vaccines given now to children (though mine HAD mercury in them, I'm sure). No autism, no problems, no major illnesses. I am one of MILLIONS. (and fwiw, there has been no decrease in autism cases since thymerisol was taken out of vaccines). I hope your darling daughter doesn't contract polio.
[ Reply | Options ]Autism is caused by all the chemical crap they're putting in our foods these days.
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I am 25. I was fully vaccinated with all the vaccines given now to children (though mine HAD mercury in them, I'm sure). No autism, no problems, no major illnesses. I am one of MILLIONS. (and fwiw, there has been no decrease in autism cases since thymerisol was taken out of vaccines). I hope your darling daughter doesn't contract polio
[ Reply | Options ]Polio, are you f****** kidding me? LOL, DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!! Polio was already declining before the vaccine!!! All of these diseases were. Do you know what's inside a vaccine? Holy Hell, I hope your children, don't get cancer, diabetes or some other Auto Immune Disorder. Why is that cancer, diabetes and Auto Immune Disorders are on the rise and now we get some many more vaccines? I didn't have near as many vaccines as they give now, and somehow I am still alive. AMAZING!!! I can't believe all of these 90 year olds that are still alive from all these "deadly" diseases going around. Do you realize that any of these diseases can be treated with an antibiotic? You people really need to get a brain and do some research.
[ Reply | Options ]ummm, correlation does not equal causation. from an epidemiologist. lots of things have been increasing recently, including life span (hence many cancers), overnutrition (diabetes), and many forms of pollution. AND many believe that a lot of autoimmune disorders are actually caused by lack of immune exposure to pathogens or their proxies (like vaccines).
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The British doctor, Andrew Wakefield, who first published claims of links between autism and vaccinations is now under investigation for ethics violations related to this study. Consequently, one of my friends hasn't had her daughter vaccinated. The child is fine, but I didn't let my friend convince me not to vaccinate my kid. (She tried.) I think you should investigate your decision further. Imagine if your kid got polio, a perfectly preventable disease? Really, it's only safe for your kid not to be vaccinated because other people's kids are. I understand your suspicions of pharmaceutical companies, beleive me, but I think time-tested polio and small pox vaccinations are probably a good idea. I'm sure YOU had all your shots, and probably even when they still contained mercury, but you're fine, right?
[ Reply | Options ]Since there is absolutely no scientific link between autism and the vaccination, I repeat "ABSOLUTELY NO SCIENTIFIC LINK BETWEEN AUTISM AND VACCINATION", I guess all you are going by are opinions and blogs written by parents who are looking for a scape goat as to why their children are not (what the world calls) "normal". Get over your stubborn, misinformed self and PROTECT your children.
[ Reply | Options ]Nobody has proven where autism comes from. Mercury from vaccines is one theory which has not been proven or disproven. Even so, almost all vaccines either have it removed, or there is a slightly-less effective version without it. In Minnesota, where my children were born (and vaccinated), we were given the choice to have "regular" vaccines or the mercury-free ones. Our decision made, notations were put in our baby's medical file and that's the way it will be.
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You can only do that because most of the rest of us are responsible and vaccinate our kids.
[ Reply | Options ]np- EXACTLY. this is what bugs me about sanctimommies who don't vaccinate- you have that "luxury" because other people do vaccinate their kids. but - mark my words- the more of you out there who don't vaccinate, the more diseases there will be to catch. but I have a problem with the posts above that seem to be wishing some disease on these unvaccinated kids to prove a point- ick.
[ Reply | Options ]ITA. and reality will hit them when they want to take their DCs anywhere other than the US or Western Europe for the first time - I wouldn't take DC to Mexico or the Caribbean without MMR and polio vaccines. It will also be a problem when they are told that their DCs can't live in a college dorm until they have been fully vaccinated.
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I wasn't vaccinated by my parents and I am truly annoyed that they could have been so stupid. We went abroad every once in awhile to places that did have these diseases and I ended up with measles.
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One of the first things I did when I was old enough to drive was to go and get myself vaccinated.
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A friend did not vaccinate her children and her dh was relocated to South Africa. One of her children contracted Hep-A and nearly died. Another got polio and now can only walk with the help of leg braces.
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why shoudl she? there have been polio outbreaks in this country recently, as well as whooping cough and measles. OK, dont' vax. but accept taht your uchild may get sick as a result. you cna be happy you avoided autism but you are increasign the risk of these diseases that can kill or cripple.
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I honestly fear for your children and the unvaccinated under 1 year olds you may put at risk b/c of your choices.
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this is NOT dramatic! my son is not yet old enough for the MMR vaccine, so he should be at risk just because moronic parents like OP refuse to vaccinate their children? if it didn't affect me, i would be fine with it, but it does! i know its not the kids' fault that they have idiots for parents, but kids who are not vaccinated should be kept separate in classrooms and playgroups. if you dont want to vaccinate, then at least wear a sign so that i know to stay away from you and your child!
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I'm not vaccinating my child either. SHe has an immune deficiency and her system can't handle the vaccinations. Anyone going to give it to me for this?? Bring it on! As a matter of fact, keep it to yourself. Why do you have the right to judge??!! Do any of us really know what we're doing by not vaccinating or vaccinating?? Even if we have MDs?? So get off your self righteous high horse, and realize that we're all parents managing ambiguity and trying to make the best decisions for our children. And just because I"m not vaccinating my child, doesn't mean I dont care about yours. Give it a rest.
[ Reply | Options ]I would imagine your daughter would probably do fine on an adjusted vaccine schedule that will help protect her and her immune deficiency. If her health is your primary object, why wouldn't you protect her?
[ Reply | Options ]Um, because some of the best immunologists in NYC and Boston (we've been for 3 opinions) have said that the vaccines could kill her, that's why. PLEASE folks, this is not something that any of us really know the answers to. Come on, we're not drs!!!!! and even the drs are doing their best and dont know the answers.
[ Reply | Options ]what sort of immune deficiency? which id docs recommend this? ive consulted with a few, and found most still favor immunizations, in partial doses sometimes, but most think it's more risky for these kids to get these diseases if they are so immune deficient. i've had patients post transplants on immune suppressants and kids post chemo get vaccinated. yes, its a gamble, but many docs do err on the side feeling vaccines are worth the risk. though many disagree. curious who youve consulted with .
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Not necessarily; immune deficiency is a valid concern when considering whether or not to vaccinate your child. It really depends on what type of vaccine it is (some are versions of the virus that have been killed and pose no serious risk of infecting even an immunocompromised patient; others have just been severely weakened, but are still very dangerous to someone with a compromised immune system). With that said, I do maintain that, while immune deficiency is a valid concern and a reason for avoiding certain vaccines as discussed with your doctor, that doesn't mean that *other* children should not be immunized. We eradicated smallpox from the wild thanks to successful vaccination campaigns, and have made great strides in doing the same to polio. It's only a matter of time before the next big epidemic hits us (it'll probably be influenza, by the way - I've heard estimates that predict 150 million deaths worldwide), and vaccines will help mitigate the damage greatly.
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With all due respect, I think the decision for parents with children with autoimmune issues is different than the decision for children who don't have these issues. I think that, from a public health perspective, parents who don't get their perfectly healthy children vaccinated are jeopardizing the health of others, including those children who may have a harder time fighting off illness because of autoimmune issues.
[ Reply | Options ]OP is the type of parent you should be most upset with. It is behavior like that which puts your child at the greatest risk.
[ Reply | Options ]this doesnt make sense. none of it does. If you children are vaccinated they shouldnt be at risk right? so what the hell are all of you talking about. the only child at risk should be the one not vaccinated. and other children not vaccinated. Uless you all know vaccinations are not full proof. then you will want your child to build up his immune system the right way. my kids go to a school that does not require vaccines and its Funny that the only kids that caught chicken pox are the ones that were vaccinated. hmmm. vaccinations lead to weaker immune sytems. your kids are all going to have cancer like the rest of us.
[ Reply | Options ]it makes me really sad ignorant people like you can make such an important decision that puts so many dcs at risk. VACCINATIONS ARE NOT 100% EFFECTIVE! that is why it is so important that virtually all of the population is vaccinated. herd immunity--the fact that most people are protected against the disease--prevents it from circulating in the population. this stops people who can't be vaccinated b/c of medical problems or people who were vaccinated but are still susceptible from getting the disease.
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np - your child is one of the most important reasons why it is crucial for everyone else to vax. because you have to, you are relying on the herd - if the majority of people decided to be so selfish and unreasonable about this - it would be really dangerous for her. i am not saying you should vax your dd - just that kids that are healthy should!
[ Reply | Options ]Ok, this is a remarkably different situation from someone who decides not to vaccinate with no medical problem in the child that would indicate vaccinating could be dangerous. I think I understand that you feel defensive on this subject, but really I think you should give yourself a break- you're clearly following medical advice, as opposed to OP who is going against it. GL
[ Reply | Options ]np: no, you're not vaccinating your child on advice of doctors and b/c she has immune deficiency. Which is completely opposite from OP, and it's OP who is getting flamed for not caring about others' children. in fact, it's children like YOURS that OP is putting at the highest risk, b/c you can't vaccinate, and thus if her kid gets sick, so will yours.
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Please point to one recent scientific study that links vaccinations to autism. I have researched this issue and cannot seem to find one. I ask people who aren't vaccinating or delaying vaccination and they don't seem to know of any either -- they are going on theories and conspiracies and Internet chat. I understand being scared of autism -- we have a autistic child in our extended family who is very high on the spectrum -- but while they just don't know the cause, there doesn't seem to be any credible evidence that it's vaccinations.
[ Reply | Options ]np: my ds is autistic and I am positive it is not from vaccines. I am fine with people breaking up the vaccines but I think it is horrible not to protect your child by vaccinating.
[ Reply | Options ]but the fact that some cases of autism do not seem to be vaccine-related is not evidence that NO autsim is vaccine-related.
[ Reply | Options ]You are technically correct. However, since no accepted study has conclusively found a link between vaccines and autism (and in fact there's much more evidence that suggests the reverse), it's more logical to assume that vaccines don't cause it than to assume that they "might". For all we know, feeding your baby mashed green peas might cause autism. This is just Occam's Razor at work - all other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best one.
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Does anyone know a good info source for what's in the vaccines, or when you can spread them out so that the child doesn't have such a severe immune response? I've heard some have mercury in them, those must be avoidable, no?
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taking out the mercury in the childhood vaccines did nothing to lower autism rates.
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umm, that's not how cause and effect works. but it has been shown that mercury harms developing brains which is why you're not supposed to eat mercury high fish in large quantities during pregnancy and why I would like to avoid mercury containing vaccines. good to know it's no longer prevalent, though will look into it further. i never get the flu shot bc it's completely different from
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In Minnesota, our doctor gave us pamphlets on every vaccine. It has all the same info the CDC has on that particular vaccine. There were even warnings if a particular vaccine had mercury. If there was such a warning, it mentioned whether or not there was a mercury-free alternative.
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Well, you know, they have these things called baby coffins. Don't worry though, they come in a variety of colors and styles - at least your dead kid will look good.
[ Reply | Options ]It is funny how people are trying to blame so many things for autism. I believe that women having babies at 40+ years old is what is causing far more of the cases of autism we are seeing than vaccines that have been given for decades...
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really? One of the noble prize winning discoverers of the DNA double helix agrees with poster.
[ Reply | Options ]If you knew ANYTHING about James Watson, as either an individual or a scientist, you would not hold him in such high esteem...
[ Reply | Options ]1. I don't hold him personally in any esteem and my post suggest nothing of the kind. 2. I know about his crazy racists statements. 3. Regardless of above, my point was that the suggestion that parental/maternal age might be a cause of autism could be the dumbest thing one has ever heard only if that person lives in a bubble and is brand spanking new to UB.
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That's a shame, because it's actually a far more credible theory. Surely you don't believe that having babies at 40+ years old is as safe as having them in your 20s and 30s? Genetic disorders and birth defects are more common in children whose mothers gave birth to them when they were older, and autism has a strong genetic component.
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If our kids are even still alive then - all you wacko parents not vaccinating are going to bring back every contagious disease that this country worked so hard to get rid of.
[ Reply | Options ]The only reason that thiomersal was suspected to cause autism is because the effects of autism usually onset around the time a child receives their immunizations. Thiomersal is toxic, but it doesn't cause any harm in the minute doses that children would receive while being immunized. No cases that parents have filed about thiomersal causing their child to have autism have been accepted. Look it up.
[ Reply | Options ]"A friend did not vaccinate her children and her dh was relocated to South Africa. One of her children contracted Hep-A and nearly died. Another got polio and now can only walk with the help of leg braces." its freaking Africa.....so many people die from it a day its not even news anymore.(seeing as they reproduce more than they die)
[ Reply | Options ]My local Reverend didn't vaccinate his son for religious reasons. Sadly his son died a few months ago from the flu. If he had just had 1 vaccination and the occasional booster shot he would still be alive.
[ Reply | Options ]holy shit - this is one of the most offensive, racist and narrow minded comments I've seen on here in a while. Tell those mothers and fathers that their child's death is not news. And, welcome to the global economy, where people travel, to "freaking Africa" (it's a big place you know - lots of countries). Better hope that no one who has traveled there comes in contact with your brood. From WHO... * Measles is a leading cause of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available to prevent the disease. * In 2007, there were 197 000 measles deaths globally - nearly 540 deaths every day or 22 deaths every hour. * More than 95% of measles deaths occur in low-income countries with weak health infrastructure. * Measles vaccination efforts have reaped major public health gains, resulting in a 74% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2007 worldwide - a drop of about 90% in the eastern Mediterranean and Africa regions. * In 2007, about 82% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services, up from 72% in 2000. (Two doses of the vaccine are recommended to ensure immunity, as about 15% of vaccinated children fail to develop immunity from the first dose.)
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Nah, in 20 years I'll be happy to still be an educated, confident woman who doesn't get taken in by trial lawyers and celebrity hysteria.
[ Reply | Options ]So...you'll just do whatever your doctor tells you, instead of thinking for yourself?
[ Reply | Options ]I have read all the studies from Wakefield to the replicable, scientifically validated population based trials. I understand how vaccines work and what is in them. I also understand what risk/benefit means. I knew all this before I was even pregnant. Don't judge before you know. Remember, I said I was educated - and I meant it.
[ Reply | Options ]Given that my doctor has 10+ years of 'round the clock medical training and 15+ years of pediatric experience and I have the internet? Yup. It'd be pretty egotistical to think I know better.
[ Reply | Options ]np: yet remarkably little is taught about vaccines in medical school and many many peds went to medical school before most of these vaccines were even introduced. A lot of the information that they get on vaccines is the literature provided by the pharma companies and that is available to anyone who wants to go looking for it.
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I agree with you. What most of these naysayers don't know is that twenty years ago there were 10 required vaccines. So why are there now over 20 - including chicken pox and flu? Its all about the money!! The government and the pharmaceutical companies are raking in the cash by the billions. If your interseted in facts take a look at this site... http://www.nvic.org/
[ Reply | Options ]There are over 20 now because we have discovered them. Plain and simple. It's not some sort of government conspiracy. I also find it funny that your website that you promote others to see for its "facts" has a very identifiable bias. Those of us that vaccinate aren't "naysayers." I don't think that we would really care about this discussion if the topic creator hadn't said that we would wish we did the same in 20 years. That statement implies that those of us who do vaccinate can't take care of our children as well as tc can. I'm also willing to bet that most of us who vaccinate our children were vaccinated as children ourselves (I know I was). That comment then says that our parents couldn't take care of children as well as tc can, and I don't think anyone would not get a little angry at that comment.
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Here's your study. It has me completely conflicted about whether or not to vaccinate. http://www.generationrescue.org/survey.html
[ Reply | Options ]Most schools require medical disclosures as a part of admission (my graduate school mandated it, I had to get a booster at the age of 22) At some point, either you'll have to vaccinate, or your grown daughter will choose to do it herself because she wants to travel to a part of the world that still suffers from polio and its ilk.
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That's brilliant. Your child will die, and then they won't be able to carry your genetic material on, which, going from your decision not to vaccinate your child, is a GOOD thing. Terrible situation for the child, but keeping brain dead folks like you out of the gene pool is something you can't put a price on.
[ Reply | Options ]ST. PAUL (AP) ? The Minnesota Health Department is reporting that a young child in Hennepin County has measles and others may have been exposed. Officials say a 10-month-old child has tested positive for the first case of measles that can't be traced to foreign travel since 2001. The child was born in the U.S. and has not traveled recently. The child had not been vaccinated because measles vaccinations are usually given starting at 1 year. State health officials are asking health care workers to watch for measles cases in the coming weeks. Measles is a highly contagious respiratory disease whose symptoms include fever, cough, runny nose and red eyes followed by a rash. Those who may have been exposed should limit contact with others and call ahead before going to a health care facility to avoid spreading the illness.
[ Reply | Options ]my friend didnt vaccinate her children and they have an awsome immune system. they never get sick. Funny were all riddled with cancer and dont know why. hmmm... maybe its because we destroy ourselves from the inside when were less then one year old. I'm going to vaccinate. when my child reaches the age of two. and only the important ones.
[ Reply | Options ]Maybe we're all "riddled with cancer", as you say, because we're living longer? Due, in no small part, to a reduction in the diseases that vaccines prevent. Correlation vs. causation.
[ Reply | Options ]No. We are "riddled with cancer" because of vehicular and industrial emissions in the atmosphere, because of chemicals in the foods and drinks we ingest, because of the different types of lighting we use, computers, manufacturing residues, construction components in our houses and everything else in our westernized livelyhoods. Cancer has nothing to do with vaccination. Look at nations that don't have cancer recorded. A lot of them (such as India, nations of the Middle East and Africa) don't have cancer because people die at a very young age due to war and conflict or DISEASES THAT CAN BE ALL BUT ERADICATED BY VACCINATIONS!
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I checked out this site, and I have one very serious problem with the data they post-they did not use an accurate random sampling. They said that they collected data on about 17,000 children. This might be accurate for the city of San Diego, but not for the whole county, along with two other counties. That being said, their data is flawed.
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Guess what? Vaccines DO NOT work! Plain and simple. They contain dangerous toxic chemicals such as formaldehyde (embalimg fluid), roach killer, aluminum, mercury, cells and tissues from aborted babies, chicken, pig blood, the list goes on and on. Calling a parent a parasite for not vaccinating their child is out of line and uncalled for. parents who opt out of vaccinated have educated themselves. I think it would be a good idea to leaen the pros and cons of vaccinating before name calling. If your vaccinated child comes across an unvaccinated child, why are you worried? Your vaccinated child is protected, right? I would be more concerned about an unvaccinated child being around a vaccinated child. I'm sorry, I don't think injecting toxic, deadly chemcials into a baby is smart. That's my opintion. We have the right to make choices. So, if you don't want to vaccinate, good for you and if you do, good for you. Let's stop the name calling and grow up. Just a tidbit of imformation, in 1983 the CDC's vaccine schedule was 10 shots starting at 2 momths old with the autism rate being 1 in 10,000...Today, the schedule is 36 shots staring at birth with tthe autism rate 1 in 150...Something is going on and we must research in the name of our children. Oh, and for the people calling parents who don't vaccinate parasites...Your vaccinated children are guinea pigs because there has never been any clinical scientific studies done on recommended and mandated vaccines to test for safety and efficacy. Nuff said!
[ Reply | Options ]You claim that vaccines don't work, but you don't cite any evidence of their ineffectiveness, while there is ample evidence that they work. Look it up; even wikipedia has plenty of sources. Vaccines simply introduce a non-virulent form of a virulent pathogen so that your own body starts to produce anti-bodies. Even so, do you really think that vaccines are the only places toxic agents
[ Reply | Options ]Please cite some evidence of the ineffectiveness of vaccines, because there is plenty of evidence that they DO work. You can even find some sources in the wikipedia entries for 'vaccine'. If you don't know how vaccines work, which I'm assuming you don't, given the context of your post, I'll explain it to you: a non-virulent form of a virulent pathogen is introduced to your body so that your body produces anti-bodies against it. Clearly, this would be a problem in people with weak immune systems, since if they can't produce the anti-bodies efficiently enough, even the weakened pathogen might cause some trouble. Even so, do you truly believe that toxic agents are only present in vaccines, if not moreso elsewhere? There are toxic agents all around you, especially if you live in a populated area, and do you even know HOW MUCH of the toxins you mentioned are in vaccines, because I'm sure you get more toxins in your body by simply BREATHING and EATING. (Where did you even get "cells and tissues from aborted babies" from?) You're using crude imagery and extreme exaggeration to convince people of your point, but it seems that you were convinced in this way. Regardless, NOT VACCINATING YOUR CHILDREN ENDANGERS THE UNVACCINATED CHILDREN AROUND THEM! Remember, not everyone has even had the chance to get vaccinated (think of young children, and immunocomprimized children here) and realize that if the children around them aren't vaccinated, IF A PATHOGEN IS INTRODUCED, IT CAN EASILY SPREAD TO THEM. Also, keep in mind that just because two trends are similar, they are not necessarily related. Think of all the other things that could've changed. Housing prices went way from from 1983, so does that mean that it caused the increased rate in autism? What about hormones in meat? Toxins in the air? number of cars on the street? The general population of the U.S.? The number of secret wars? Clearly, unless you have scientific proof, aside from wild speculation, there is nothing to suggest that autism can be cause by vaccines.
[ Reply | Options ]I am pediatric ICU nurse and today I spent 12 hours fighting to keep alive a 5 week old with RSV and Pertussis. Her parents didn't want her vaccinated for either despite the fact that she was 9 weeks premature. Believe me when I tell you this kiddo will not survive the night. It stuns me that in the face of hundreds of years of evidence regarding infectious disease and subsequently, vaccination we are still having this conversation. What's more, in 12 years of doing this I have zipped many a child into small little body bags for diseases that are completely preventable. We put helmets on their heads, pads on their knees, belt them in a car to protect them from accidents. But we won't give their bodies the tools it needs to prevent DISEASE?????? Because we're guessing that vaccines might cause autism? Explain the general rates of autism climbing worldwide with NO correlation between their vaccine schedule and ours??
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To everyone wondering why those of us who have vaccinated our kids are worried about those who don't? It's because, even if we do vaccinate, there is still a slight chance of contracting the vaccinated disease. I would hate for my children to die in a hospital bed because some uneducated, self-absorbed, sanctimonious person didn't think that his or her actions affected anyone else. Don't bring in religion, don't bring in politics. This entire argument boils down to personal choice. My wife and I chose to vaccinate our children because we felt it the best way to protect them from harm. Parent's choose not to vaccinate for that same reason. However, saying I don't have the right to fear for my child because someone else made that choice is irresponsible, at best.
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I should live in a bubble because other people don't care about anyone but themselves? Explain that, please. Especially when I was only pointing out that I DON'T CARE WHETHER TC VACCINATES HER CHILDREN OR NOT! My only problem is the smug demeanor she has about all of us who do vaccinate.
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You aren't vaccinating your child? I hope you plan on home schooling, and I hope you don't plan on ever sending the kid to college, because thankfully those organizations are run by people with brains and require vaccinations. Why do you WANT your child to get sick? You are a TERRIBLE parent. You are abandoning modern health for the sake of your own liberal agenda. Do you also let your child drink dirty water
[ Reply | Options ]There are no schools that REQUIRE vaccination. All 50 states have exemptions. The ignorance of those who blindly vaccinate without question astounds me ! Those who choose not to vaccinate their children are for the most part very well educated and are looking out for the best interest of their child. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/114/1/187 Shame on you for calling anyone TERRIBLE. How much do you personally know about vaccines ? Not what someone has told you ?
[ Reply | Options ]States are required to have exemptions for constitutional reasons - so children whose parents have religious objections to vaccination or children that can't be vaccinated for TRUE medical reasons can still go to school. These exemptions were never intended to be and shouldn't be used as a free pass for parents that just don't feel like vaccinating. If you don't want to vaccinate, accept the CONSEQUENCES of your decisions and don't send your kids to school. (And your idea of "education" is, BTW, laughable. You read a bunch of made up stuff on the internet and consider yourself informed and superior?)
[ Reply | Options ]Who the hell are you to tell someone not to send their kids to school!!?? If you believe in the vaccines and think they work then why are you worried about the ones who aren't?? Obviously that says you don't believe they really work. It is a free country and anyone has that right to choose you moron!
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Oh hell no, a terrible parent is someone who didn't do there research on vaccines, and obviously you didn't! I am not calling people who vaccinate terrible parents, I just called them misinformed. But to call us terrible parents for not vaccinating when we did our research, and found out for ourselves the horrible truth about them, you need to keep your mouth shut!!
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OK, I'm biting because I think something's amiss with everyone's comments. And it's this: WHY DO YOU HATE AUTISTIC PEOPLE? For Pete's sake, you people sound EXACTLY like you're afraid your child's gonna turn a different skin color or turn gay. As an aspie, I'm disgusted by all you who dare even discuss autism as some sort of disease or disability. Makes me wonder who's really sick around here.
[ Reply | Options ]i am a camp admissions director and we do not accept ANY children who arent fully vaccinated. all camp directors i know wouldnt go near your child with a ten foot pole. not to mention that if your child ever wants to work in a hospital in the future, most will disqualify her if she doesnt have immunity to basic communicable diseases. so basically you are limiting your child's options because of some unproven, random theory held by a few wackos.
[ Reply | Options ]my pediatrician mom didnt say anyone would rue their actions 45 years ago............
[ Reply | Options ]Wow you should really try educating yourself before you speak. Aside from the obviously ignorant "random theory held by a few wackos" comment Hospitals never ask what your vaccination status is when hiring. That is personal medical information that is protected and no ones business but your own. I work for two major hospitals. You also have the right to refuse offered vaccines such as hep b and tdap.
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I don't think you'll b saying that in a few years when polio and other diseases make a come back. I wonder how many innocent children will lose their lives because parents decide not to do something to protect them. I wish people would do research and realize that there have been many studies to prove that there is no link between autism and vaccines. A friend of mine said it best "I'd rather have a child with autism then a child with polio". So I disagree, I think I'll be glad I'm not you 20 years from now.
[ Reply | Options ]80-90% of people who contract polio suffer a mild case with flu like or even milder symptoms lasting 24-72 hours with no lasting effects. And to whomever said that we should all study herd immunity they should take their own advice. My 3 very healthy unvaccinated children are not protected by herd immunity. Herd immunity is something that vaccine manufacturers made up (literally) to ensure high vaccination rates by making people believe they must achieve some magical percentage of vaccination among the population to be protected. Herd immunity actually refers to the natural protection a population experiences when a certain percentage of a population has natural immunity to a disease (specifically measles) the "phrase" was later adapted and the 95% chosen to be the magical number at which herd immunity is supposed to work was randomly chosen without scientific evidence to back it up. To everyone educate yourselves for yourself ! Not by reading the 6th grade level information given by the doctors office either. Stop buying into the fear and make your own decisions.
[ Reply | Options ]hi, i am an epidemiologist, and you are wrong. we calculate herd immunity by studying how effective the vaccine is against preventing disease. better vaccines need lower percentages of the population to be vaccinated in order to prevent a pathogen from circulating. there is no magic 95% number--each vaccine requires its own calculation. though 95% would certainly work for most vaccines. herd immunity works in basically the same way for natural infection and vaccines. that is, after all, what vaccines are created to mimic. please don't kid yourself that you are educated about this issue.
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My mom is a bit of a hippy but still vaccinated me and my brother, my brother had a terrible reaction to the measles vaccine and she was told he would have been better off just getting the measles. She still encouraged me to vaccinate my kids. Her father got polio as a child so she knows first hand the dangers of childhood illnesses, and looks past her granola beliefs and advocates immunisation. I always figure that if something happened to my kids because I vaccinated them at least I had their best interests at heart.
[ Reply | Options ]I think everyone should get vaccinated. Not getting vaccinated has risks like dying from a disease you are not vaccinated against. Getting vaccinated will increase your risk of not dying or even getting sick from a preventable disease. Not being vaccinated is a health risk to others. If everyone stoped getting vaccinated think about how many diseases would come back. Diseases like measles, mumps, and rubella would come back. Think about how many people would die. The bottom line is not getting vacinated can pose severe health threats to you and others.
[ Reply | Options ]Do you realize that these diseases were on decline BEFORE vaccines? You would know that, if you actually did research. I studied every statistic...every ingredient, every disease that is linked to getting vaccines for months on end. Do you know what is inside a vaccine? That alone can pose many, many health risks and has caused many health problems and even death. If you read the statistics you will see that 33,000 adverse effects are REPORTED (that's only what doctor's/people report b/c they are not required to) each year? Do you know the HEP B shot given at birth last up to twelve years? You tell me why a child that is younger then twelve years will be put into a High Risk Situation? High Risk meaning, Firefighter, doctor's, prostitutes. Wow, I could go on and on....it looks like a lot of you don't do research....Doctor's have very little vaccine training in school...I got most of my stats right of the CDC website, Merck Manual (DOCTOR'S Reference Guide.)
[ Reply | Options ]I've said it repeatedly, I'll say it again: if you choose not to vaccinate your child fine, but I WANT TO KNOW! Why should I put my infant child at risk because of your disturbingly misguided notion that diseases are better than vaccines. Make any choice YOU want, but please clump yourselves together in a compound so the rest of CIVILIZED society can live safely with THEIR decision. Btw- the only reason your family WOULD NOT get an illness is that you are leeching the benefits off of those of us sane enough to vaccinate.
[ Reply | Options ]yes, it's true that diseases were on the decline before vaccines. but that doesn't mean that vaccines didn't help eliminate them. in some cases, when a disease becomes more rare, it is actually more harmful to the few who contract it, as the age at which you are infected increases. polio is an example. getting infected with polio as an adult is most likely to leave you crippled, while infection as a baby is often non-symptomatic. therefore, even though the prevalence of polio decreased before vaccines, the severity and the number of people who were crippled increased. that is one reason why we need vaccines.
[ Reply | Options ]BTW, You ignorance is showing again you dolt! The Merck Manual was last updated in 1992. You're trying to use a 17 year old manual that has been superseded by new studies and better research and better technology to make your boat float. Guess what? I just dropped a bombshell in your boat and sunk your battleship! LOL, loser! We're over here... in the 21st century. Do try to catch up or you will be left behind.
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You're only partly correct. Diseases were on the decline... after the Black Plague wiped out 1/3 of population of Europe. So your data is both right and wrong. Right in the sense that there were less carries and people that either weren't infected or survived the plague didn't go far from home and had very little contact with neighboring communities for many years. During which there were several baby-booms. Then the disease rate began to rise again. This time though, there were fewer diseases but they were all stronger and harder to fight. You might want to brush up on world history before making that statement again. Vaccines were created to fight future and\or re-infection to the populace. Since then Vaccines have been standard practice since humans began to explore the world as a whole, not just the area around where they were born. Autism has been proven to be a neurological disorder. In other words, Autism is not something you would catch from someone else or by your kid playing with an autistic child at daycare. It's in the genes. Or, maybe it's the dope the mother was doing while pregnant that damaged the RNA coding, causing the DMA map for the brains wiring to be damaged and causing the Corpus Callosum to be under developed and the temporal, parietal, and occipital lobes to be over-sized causing the skull to increase in volume to accommodate the increased overall brain.
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as a pediatrician I can tell you that your decision not to vaccinate your child is based on falsified data. No multicenter studies have found any conclusive links between autism and vaccinations. Complications from measles include encephalitis, pneumonia, and death. Mumps can cause orchitis and infertility. Chicken pox can cause sepsis and death. I can go on and on. Having had to treat children for life threatening H flu meningitis and watching healthy children become neurologically devastated vegetables, I can tell you that while you might not want to vaccinate your kids, advising other people not is irresponsible and morally wrong.
[ Reply | Options ]Your morally wrong for if your not warning people about the adverse side effects of vaccines especially as a physician. Nature did not intend us to be shot up with poisons, hello!! Neurologically devastated vegetables??! Isnt that what you would call seriously austist children!! This is an outrage! Any parent of a child I know with autism has said they were fine before vaccines, so I think they would know. Why would they want to prove a link between autism and vaccines, they make too many profits on vaccines!!!!!! Talk to those who haven't vaccinated, such as myself, I can tell you my child has a wonderful immune system and has never been sick. Vaccinations strain the immune system! Don't listen to these fools who know nothing, seriously investigate it for yourself, and read "A shot in the Dark"!! I am glad I researched this for myself, instead of listening to the vaccine pushers who aren't conserned about human health, but only about their profits, that put us at risk.
[ Reply | Options ]Autism is a primarily genetic disorder. There is some evidence to suggest that environmental factors may play some role but that has yet to be proven. Also most children aren't diagnosed with autism until around kindergarten or first grade. The symptoms of autism are hard to distinguish early on by the untrained eye. And because most people are intelligent enough to take advantage of modern medicine and vaccinate their children by this age almost all children with and without autism have been vaccinated by now. If you had a decent education you would have learned that correlation doesn't show causation. It's basic really.
[ Reply | Options ]Before you run around telling the Majority how wrong we are, tell us, did you ask the parents of the autistic child if they had tested the child for autism in Utero? My money is on 'No', they didn't. If they did and the kid was born without autism, then you'd have a solid argument. If they didn't then saying the child was fine until they got vax'd and that's how the child got Autism, is so ignorant. But that's the cry of most "new" parents. They are young and stupid, think they know everything and "It'll never happen to them". GUESS WHAT? It HAPPENED! And it happened to you! Ignoring the 900lbs gorilla will only work for so long. At some point that gorilla is gonna start tearing stuff up, like your KID!
[ Reply | Options ]One more thing, Moron. Signs of autism will be visible within the first 6 months of a child's life. You REALLY need to do some homework. That 1950's medical text you're reading is mostly wrong now, the newer texts and research papers explain why those older texts are wrong and they proved they were wrong.
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No flaming--just sharing that your decisions are socially irresponsible. You are putting your dc at risk and the greater population for polio & smallpox, diseases that had been eradicated thanks to vaccines. In the long run, it's your dc who will suffer most since she hasn't been vaccinated.
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WoW! Not vax'ing your child is like buying a brand new Rolls Royce and not getting insurance. God won't help or protect the ignorant or stupid. I'm GLAD I'm not going to be you in 20 years, crying over your child's grave because your kid got a normal childhood illness that, if they had been vax'd, would have been no big deal. But you didn't vax your child and he\she died from dehydration due to diarrhea from a mid-level flu infection. Why do you think people in the 1600's died at an average age of 38. Do you even know what the vaccinations do or why we need them? I'll bet you didn't breast-feed your kid either. You are an adult and you can decide for yourself if YOU want to get vax'd or not. But, you shouldn't force YOUR uninformed and ignorant decision on that innocent life that the gods (for what ever reason) have blessed you with. That child is YOUR charge, YOUR ward. it can't make these decisions for itself. Do you think you're smarter than the Doctors? Do you think you know something they don't? I'd bet good money you're still looking for the second shooter on the grassy knoll too. I'd say it right to your face too: You're an Idiot and the state should take your child away from you because you're endangering that child's life. Just wait, your kid will come home from school with Strep Throat or a chest cold and it'll turn into pneumonia, and they won't survive it. Their body was deprived of some of the basic building blocks that modern life demands be there when needed. You never gave those to your child. So your kid will be weak and sickly their entire life because you thought you were smarter than ALL the doctors that have been doing this since before YOU were born. All I can say is, you and your kid will never be allowed out of this country because you have to prove that you and\or your kids have had all their shots and will have to get another 18 before you can board a ship or plane headed out of U.S. waters or airspace. You must have been born in the shallow end of the gene pool.
[ Reply | Options ]I can't believe you would say that NOT vaccinating your child is irresponsible. It's not as if not vaccinating is based on laziness or lack of information. It is about researching the information out there. It is hard to make a choice that completely goes against the societal norm. I have 2 children, I was 21 when my son was born and was intimated by family, doctors, etc so I vaccinated mostly out of fear of being judged. I had already given birth without medical intervention or drugs, breastfed and was raising my child in an attachment parenting style before I knew what that was. So why was I afraid to question these injections when I was already going against the norm? C-sections, bottle-fed babies, constant antibiotics, that was the norm, yes doctor.... whatever you think doctor. Now that I am 33 and have a 2 yr old daughter and I more confident in voicing what my gut tells me. I have given her a few chosen vaccines that I feel comfortable with but have passed on some that I feel are not safe. NO MMR, Flu Shots, HPV, etc. These have been linked with paralysis, neurological damage, death and more. Myself, my mom, her mom, and so on had all the childhood illnesses and had not been damaged in the least.... those cases are unlikely (measles causing death). I try to raise my children free from hormones, contaminants, etc. If you could only know how difficult it is to read every book available, talk tireless to doctors, etc. maybe you would see that NOT vaccinating is a smart, not ignorant, choice. You said we are adults and can choose to NOT vaccinate ourselves but our children shouldn't be forced to have that choice bestowed on them.... I agree in your thinking but flip that around.... it is unfair to force someone to have a potentially harmful substance injected into their body against their will as they scream and you hold them down, they have no choice in that. Only when their life is being threatened can I see acting that way with my child. A life saving emergency, not a trip to the doctors office! My best friend is a doctor, although she believes in the power of medicine, she also will admit that we do not have nearly enough research and until drug/vaccination companies are not making a killing in profits from scaring us all into getting vaccinated then we shouldn't stop questioning where they come from and how they affect us. Talk to a naturopath, they will completely transform your thinking about pharmaceuticals. I thank the women (and men) who are brave enough to question what is going into their child's body and are ready to protect them when they can see more harm may come to them by agreeing with society, that by following not only their instincts but the overwhelming statistics that support their choice.
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I respect you for following your convictions but think you're an asshole for telling a mom she'll regret her decision in 20 years. I hope you come down with a deadly case of measles. You deserve it.
[ Reply | Options ]My husband and I decided 12 years ago not to vaccinate. We revisit this issue regularly because it is such a hard issue. It is really hard to go against the crowd. But, we feel the vaccination risks and potential side effects were greater than the danger of contracting and dying from one of the diseases people vaccinate against.
[ Reply | Options ]...another thought on this - just because you get vaccinated doesn't mean you won't get sick (they aren't 100%). And the reasons they give things like Hib to a 2-day old is because of the herd mentality - they don't know if that kid will have medical attention in the future, so they want to cover them now. There really isn't another reason to protect an infant from diseases that don't start showing up in people until they are in their teenage years or later. Also, adults also get whooping cough -- so just vaccinating kids won't stop the spread of it. Most adults don't even know they have it - it just seems like bronchitis. So protecting "the herd" is pretty impossible when it comes to this one. If you decide not to vaccinate, you will not have a problem getting your child into school. You will, however, face criticism from your pediatrician and people who feel the need to lecture you. Good luck. I'm sure you will revisit your decision as we have time and time again. Until their are verifiable 3rd party studies done without funding from the gov't or drug companies, or until some other piece of evidence comes to light, our kids will remain unvaccinated.
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Thank goodness we have parents like you who are willing to question, research, follow your instincts and make difficult decisions regarding your child. It's easy to drag them into the doctors for everything and put all the responsibility on modern medicine. Drugs, hospitals and doctors are for profit. Not that they do not save your life when the situation calls for it, but of course they are going to recommend you get vaccinated. Injecting your child with substances that sometimes have been tested for less than 2 yrs. and have cases of paralysis, death, autism, mental and behavioral damage... I mean seriously, a case of the chicken pox vs those deadly options.... how could you not want to look into that? We need to protect our children by not being afraid to dig for the information we need to make clear decisions. Some vaccinations are not known to injure and have no case history of causing harm, but a lot do..... do the research... pick and choice, for your child's sake. They don't have a voice, but you can be theirs.
[ Reply | Options ]Thank god we have parents like you, after all without people like you in the world things like measles and polio could be eradicated. Childhood diseases could be wiped out and who would want that. Seriously, in 20 years, when your child is dead because you couldn't be bothered to listen to the people who knew what they were talking about instead of somebody's internet blog not one single person is going to want to be you. And yes I would say it to your face, and yes I would tell you that you are the most miserable type of human being to risk your innocent child's life so you have something to be arrogant about. Your pathetic.
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