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There is a huge difference between giftedness and high achievers. Many of the high scoring kids are probably high achievers rather than truly gifted. Of course, only time will tell.
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07.06.08, 08:37 AM [ Flag ]
- And you felt the need to post this why?
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  07.06.08, 08:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- In the end - there is little difference
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  07.06.08, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - ita. it's what you do with what you have.
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    07.06.08, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- Time may never tell and the high achievers may do much better than those you are deeming as "truly gifted."
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  07.06.08, 08:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - np: Exactly.
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    07.06.08, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - I agree, high achievers are more focused and work harder. Gifted kids sometimes just coast on their natural abilities, which doesn't always serve them well when they get into the big bad world.
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    07.06.08, 08:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - np: well also, sometimes things are easy for them when they are younger and then when the material gets harder they haven't been used to the need to try and work so they get frustrated and can run the risk of giving up.
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      07.06.08, 09:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - np; this is the reason why the gifted community advocates for schools for the gifted, so that they are properly challenged and not take things to come easy.
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      07.06.08, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- I don't know about that. 2 yo's who read the New York Times may be high achievers but they are certainly gifted.
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  07.06.08, 08:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - there are two yo's that can read the times? are the comprehending what they are reading?
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    07.06.08, 09:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - Not sure. I read about it, but even if they don't comprehend, I think it's remarkable that they can even decode all those words, don't you?
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      07.06.08, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      - np: It's pointless to read material you can't understand, serves no purpose really.
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        07.06.08, 09:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        Well, but at 2yo, it does indicate intellectual ability. That kid will be able to comprehend far more than other kids when he does comprehend.
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        07.06.08, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - OP: I'm not talking about any child in particular. Just the process in general. I think there is so much prepping and enrichment that the high scores reflect both giftdeness and high achievers. That's all.
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    07.06.08, 09:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - I think what they are looking for are kids with academic ability, high achievers are far easier to teach than gifted kids.
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      07.06.08, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- High achiever is what you want, no? Those are the kids that will go places.
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  07.06.08, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - If you are gifted and a high achiever, you will really go places.
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    07.06.08, 09:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- I have a dd going into 5th grade and she's tested as pretty darn "gifted" but she is about the furthest thing from a high achiever there is. i'm learning to readjust expectations because i don't think she's ever going to be very academically motivated. she's too into her own things.
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  07.06.08, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - This is a common issue for gifted dc's. I think you should find a school that is better for your dd.
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    07.06.08, 09:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - HIgh achievers are likely to do well anywhere they are placed. And they will do well in later life, usually. Gifted children are at greater risk, unless they are also high achievers. Gifted children are often self-directed to the point where they dont' care about pleasing teachers. Gifted children want to study teh things that interest them, not the things they are given to study. Gifted children are used to things coming easily and resist challenges. Gifted children will coast and then suffer self esteem issues when they can't push themselves to compete or overcome difficulties. Gifted children are often precociously "moral" thinkers, and will not take the injustices in a classroom in stride. Gifted children - I have one - are a PITA. But that's why their parents and the gifted ed community thinks they need to be put together and taught in specialized ways. Because they are not shoo-ins for academic success despite their intelligence.
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      07.06.08, 12:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - Mine is only in 2nd grade but I think we're going to have to make the same readjustment of our expectations. It's frustrating.
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    07.06.08, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- Both need an accelerated curriculum or they are underserved.
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  07.06.08, 03:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- High achiever sounds good enough for me!
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There is a huge difference between giftedness and high achievers. Many of the high scoring kids are probably high achievers rather than truly gifted. Of course, only time will tell.

And you felt the need to post this why?

In the end - there is little difference

ita. it's what you do with what you have.

Time may never tell and the high achievers may do much better than those you are deeming as "truly gifted."

np: Exactly.

I agree, high achievers are more focused and work harder. Gifted kids sometimes just coast on their natural abilities, which doesn't always serve them well when they get into the big bad world.

np: well also, sometimes things are easy for them when they are younger and then when the material gets harder they haven't been used to the need to try and work so they get frustrated and can run the risk of giving up.

np; this is the reason why the gifted community advocates for schools for the gifted, so that they are properly challenged and not take things to come easy.

I don't know about that. 2 yo's who read the New York Times may be high achievers but they are certainly gifted.

there are two yo's that can read the times? are the comprehending what they are reading?

Not sure. I read about it, but even if they don't comprehend, I think it's remarkable that they can even decode all those words, don't you?

np: It's pointless to read material you can't understand, serves no purpose really.

Well, but at 2yo, it does indicate intellectual ability. That kid will be able to comprehend far more than other kids when he does comprehend.

OP: I'm not talking about any child in particular. Just the process in general. I think there is so much prepping and enrichment that the high scores reflect both giftdeness and high achievers. That's all.

I think what they are looking for are kids with academic ability, high achievers are far easier to teach than gifted kids.

High achiever is what you want, no? Those are the kids that will go places.

If you are gifted and a high achiever, you will really go places.

I have a dd going into 5th grade and she's tested as pretty darn "gifted" but she is about the furthest thing from a high achiever there is. i'm learning to readjust expectations because i don't think she's ever going to be very academically motivated. she's too into her own things.

This is a common issue for gifted dc's. I think you should find a school that is better for your dd.

Mine is only in 2nd grade but I think we're going to have to make the same readjustment of our expectations. It's frustrating.

Both need an accelerated curriculum or they are underserved.

High achiever sounds good enough for me!

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