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If both you and your husband are arguing over circumcising your son, who wins? There is a poster below who says her husband wouldn't have more of a say in it, but ONE of you has got to have more of a say, the kid either gets circumcised or not, someone wins, someone does more of a say!
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Simple. Don't circumcise and continue discussions. You can always circumcise later, but you can't uncircumcise.
[ Reply | More ]Yes, this is what we did. I didn't want to circ and won out because we could always do it later. There's no medical need to do it, so I didn't feel like I needed to defer to my dh's desire to do it for aesthetic reasons. Even my Jewish friends who did it said that after watching the process, they wouldn't do it again.
[ Reply | More ]NP: We had a different experience. We did have a medical reason for considering circumcision (DS has a kidney abnormality and there are some studies that suggest circumcision reduces the risk of UTI in children with compromised kidneys). Before the birth, doctors said we could wait and see, but that circumcision is much more traumatic for older infants/children than newborns so we elected to do it within a few days of his birth. No regrets.
[ Reply | More ]There are some things you should not see. Just turn your head during the ceremony. The truth is (and what no one is admitting) that it is unlikely that DS after living with an uncircumcised penis for many years will decide to have it snipped. He's comfortable the way he is. So in effect we are making the decision for him. That's why I'm having problems with all this "he can decide later" reasoning.
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You really can't decide later. It's a momentary discomfort at birth, excruciating later.
[ Reply | More ]It hurts an infant *more* than an adult. Two main reasons - you can't use general anesthetic on an infant, and you also have to separate the foreskin from the glans, which is the most painful part of the procedure. If you wait, it's also safer, and the results are cosmetically better too. Almost no chance of needing a "revision" or second operation either.
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we discussed it a lot and read all the information out there. then he said, unless our son was gay then a man's opinion was probably not as useful as a woman's opinion, aesthetically. so I polled my friends who'd had the most male partners (women friends and gay man friends just in case, lol) about their opinions of each and why, and in the end we did not circ. there ya go!
[ Reply | More ]DH here won that discussion. It came down to pure "design aerodynamics". The neccessity debate is irrelevant. Just ask yourself this: Do I want my son to be in the minority with a different shaped penis? How will he handle being a source of curiousity in the locker room?Will his future partners deal with it or want the familiar shape?
[ Reply | More ]The minority question doesn't work anymore. It's practically 50/50. The deciding factor for us was, its ds penis and ds can make the decision when he's old enough.
[ Reply | More ]Bull! They're still in the minority and to make your son decide later in life is just idiotic. Your DH should've manned up, gotten it done and over with. DS can then spend time grappling with which college to attend or some other major life decision.
[ Reply | More ]np and what is wrong with a man deciding about his own penis? How is that idiotic? I find it strange that so many parents don't consider letting the owner decide.
[ Reply | More ]Look, how many men would let a knife get anywhere near their cocks later in life? So all this talk about letting DS decide later in life is so lame. If DH wants it to be circumcised or not just decide and stop the hand wringing. No need to bring up a tribe in Africa; that just sounds racist and ignorant.
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Ugh, this is such stupid and specious reasoning. Why not make your son feel strong and proud and independent rather than encouraging conformity in all aspects (right from birth!)?
[ Reply | More ]Funny, my DH is uncircumcised and athletic. Maybe he got so good at sports because he didn't spend all his time in the locker room playing with other boys' dicks?
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What I never understand is when we talk about this, people in the US never talk about STDs. Circumcision greatly reduces the chances of getting all sorts of diseases, and consequently reduces the amount the diseases spread. Why is this never mentioned, because to me it is a good reason to circumcise.
[ Reply | More ]It is absolutely NOT a good reason to circumcise. It's a good reason to educate your kids, male and female, on using prophylactics and safe sex in general.
[ Reply | More ]yes, but how far does that go? Honestly, I know a ton of men and women who still really only care about pregnancy when thinking about sleeping with someone. When I was dating, it amazed me how few guys wanted to use condoms and even fewer who asked about STD history or got themselves checked. Realistically, I think that people get over their fears of unprotected sex after college (if they ever had them at all).
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it is simply NOT TRUE: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/1650681http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/1650681
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i am 23 years old, got cirmcumsicion 3 months ago. I had normal penis my whole life, and a small bruise got me fimosis and had to go througth circumsicion. Having tried both forms, circumsiced is a bit more comfortable during sex. Still i would prefer to have it like before, extra protection and preserves sensibility. Not that i miss it too much tougth, not a revelant change, i suggest leaving it there unless medical circumsicion is needed like in my case
[ Reply | More ]I always thought I had the trump card in this debate but you win. I'm a circ'ed dad who after research and discussion decided to not circ my sons. #2, because of a issues with his bladder and ureter, had to be circ'ed later on. I'm with you. Unless you have cultural/religious stuff involved, leave the penis be. (And the "oddity in the locker room" argument is stupid. I played organized sports through college. I could not tell you which of my team mates were or were not cut.)
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Well, I am Jewish and DH isn't. DH doesn't want the little guy slashed, but if #2 is a DS I think he will most likely give me more of a say since I would like him to be circumsized. By the way, DH's parents went back and forth and circumsized him at one month. They recommend deciding right away and sticking with your guns. I 100% see both sides (yes or no), but this he can decide stuff is silly to me.
[ Reply | More ]My husband is British - my OB GYN was Jewish - we live in the US. She told me that my son should match is father. We didnt' do it. My son got a urinary tract infection at 12 weeks and they had to shoot dye up his penis. He wailed like you cannot believe and so did I. I regret it. They say that infection is rare but...I so regret not getting him circumcised.
[ Reply | More ]1) I don't believe you. 2) You have no absolute proof that his foreskin actually "caused" that particular infection; it's likely something YOU DID or didn't do, such as improper diaper changes, and whatnot, caused it. 3) Do you honestly think that the UTI (you caused) is more painful than CRUSHING your son's nerve-packed foreskin off the end of his penis is?? Don't be absurd! --- His body; his choice.
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I find this debate always fascinating because I am from Europe where boys are not c'ed. In my country, it is viewed as something quite shocking to do. US pediatricians actually do not recommend c'ing. http://www.aap.org/publiced/br_circumcision.htm It seems more and more people educate themselves and choose not to circumcise anymore here in the US
[ Reply | More ]I am European as well and I totally agree with the poster above. Some friends I know circumcised their son with the result that his urine tract now are not straigth or something like that. Too see small baby boys with the crust after being circumcised is for me a bit offensive and I can't understand why anyone would inflict pain on their newborn.
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Dont be so naive, the FACTS are that there are some benfits to being circ'd. Look it up ol chap. Not circing your son is a cruel and unusual punishment. Everybody I know to be circed are very happy that they were, but almost all say that if they werent they could not go through with the operation because of the thought a getting their cock cut. PUtting a child in a position to decide is unfair, its a painful procedure that should have been done when they are infants so that they dont remembver it and are not traumatized. It not fair to wait when the childs memory has developed and then theres no forgetting what they went through. My best friends newborn had to be sent to the IC unit because his GF didnt want their son circed and his cock got riddled with infection. My god, some of you people make me sick, your going to regret it in a few years when no one will fuck your uncirced sons and when they hire a prostitute they die of AIDS. All because you couldn't step up as a good parent and make a decision and do whats best for your child instead of showing pisspoor parenting skills and putting that burden on a child. Yeah Im just glad none of you uncriced supporters were my parents because you are obviously not very good ones.
[ Reply | More ]And "not circing your son is a cruel and unusual punishment"? Where do you get this crap, really? I mean, what is more painful: cutting your arm, or not cutting your arm (granted your arm is perfectly healthy)? It's the same with another part of the body... And your friends are happy with it because that's how they've gotten used to it, not because it's better. Heck, cut off people's arms and put them together on an island. All their life, they'll say they're happy because they have gotten used to it, think it's normal and never experienced having two arms. The same can be said about humans having only two arms (which is the normal expectation) instead of three. Only after you experience both ways of life can you truly say which is better, but I think that it's better to leave the parts mother nature granted you (they're not there for no good reason).
[ Reply | More ]Circumcising in Europe or other parts of the world is very unpopular and very frowned upon and actually in the minority (you Americans always seem to be the oddballs on the globe, no offense), and I don't hear of higher risk of STDs or infections here. Heck, for most of the human's race time on Earth, all humans were uncircumcised and were still living, happy and healthy... and now you come telling me leaving it uncircumcised is unnatural and bad? Talk about pure ignorance (as well as arrogance)... Moreover, I don't think women care about circumcision or not in their partners. Here, uncircumcised people fuck everyday without even caring that their not circumcised, and I suspect it's the same in the US. "No one will fuck your uncirced sons"? I hope no one will fuck your circumcised sons instead, that way we'll be able to get rid of some stupidity off the face of the Earth. And to be honest, I find removing a part of the boy's body without his permission when it could be done later as well (and with anesthetics, so no traumatic memory NOR pain to him, douchebag... but of course, you all know and fear that men with rationale would not want to cut a part of their body that's functioning normally just so you can spread a retarded trend you've been indoctrinated with just to feel normal yourselves) is a violation of humans rights as well as disgusting and awful parenting. If you were my parent, dear sir, I'd shoot you myself later in life when I'd realize what you did to me. It amuses me you call other people naive when you're nothing but an ignorant and arrogant excuse of a human being... please take great discomfort in that 60% of people in the US are not circumcised and that number is rising. Oh, and stop with the false prophecy (and lying), patronizing and preaching, please. And grow a brain as well!
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The one who says no wins because the hospital will not do it unless both agrees. One of my bf will absolutely not do it but her dh wants, they can't agree but she will just refuse at the hospital so he has no choice.
[ Reply | More ]Admittedly I don't support circumsicion, but were I in that situation I believe the inclination NOT to do it holds considerably more weight. Down the road, a DS could choose to have the foreskin removed. I don't think it's necessary for parents to perform all the cosmetic procedures of a lifetime for their chidren at birth.
[ Reply | More ]i think it comes down to aesthetics. let's face it an uncirced penis is down right ugly. if you want your son to have a second date get him circed. plain and simple.
[ Reply | More ]This is BS & if you decide on whether or not to get your kid circ because of a 2nd date you are a complete whack job. Circumcision is barbaric in my opinion.
[ Reply | More ]LOL now whos the whack job? Since when is ANY medical procedure barbaric? And why would judging getting circed on dates be a bad thing?? THats honestly what it comes down to is fitting in right? I think that making your child go through humiliation like that is far more barbaric than circing. You can say what ever you want you dumb bitch but the fact of the matter is that some girls wont fuck an uncircd guy. Most wont mind true, but theres still a large number that find that shit sick. I would know, Im a dr.
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Why doesn't anyone consider that some people actually prefer the look of an uncircumcised penis. I know most of my ex's did. Plus, after I got circed, at age 17 and by my own accord, I regretted it instantly. I'd also like to add that adds to a males pleasure and doesn't effect woman either way, so why is it such a big freaking deal to you people!
[ Reply | More ]Actually it does affect a womans pleasure. How would you like to get fucked by a pickle with a loose tissue on the end? most women think uncirced are FREAKS NANANANANA
[ Reply | More ]Lady, you're way beyond daft. Circumcised men don't precum as much as uncirc'd ones, and precum is a natural lubricant. So unless you can guarantee that all of your son's future partners will be fountains, leave him uncirced. Also, I've been fucked by pickles with loose tissue on the end my entire life, and I love it.
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I'm a 20 year old guy who was circumcised at birth and is really happy that I was. Personally, I think uncircumcised penises are rather ugly. I know some of you disagree but that's my opinion on it. Also, I think women (at least American women) are much more used to circumcised penises so they won't give that awkward stare that I've heard happens to some uncircumcised men. I remember back when I was in elementary school there was this one kid who happened to be uncircumcised and a lot of the other boys used to make fun of him for how "different" or "weird" it looked. There are also health benefits I've read about such as circumcised men being less susceptible to STDs. Whenever I have a son I'm going to have him circumcised. I guess to each his own.
[ Reply | More ]There's ALWAYS such a myopically one-sided representation on UB. It doesn't even matter what the rant is, it's always left-leaning extremists bullying people into believing everyone is entitled to THEIR opinion. I don't know what poll or women you people have asked but not one woman I know actively PREFER the look of the uncirc. penis or would PREFER a man who has one.
[ Reply | More ]I prefer un, and know several women who agree. my own random sampling tells me that cut men are less sensitive. I like the extra skin. The ignorant pickle with skin analogy above was clearly from someone who's never seen an erect natural penis -- there isn't that much skin involved. And what guy w/ modern plumbing can't keep himself clean enough? That argument is like saying a girl should lose her labia to keep all the crevices squeaky clean. FWIW, I'm Jewish, but would never have had a son circumcised. I'm glad the custom is waning.
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If our son wants to be circumcised when he's 18 (16 if he knows what he's doing), I'll pay for it and help him find a good surgeon. Until then, he stays intact. His body - his decision. If he wants to be circumcised later, it's easy to fix - safer, less painful, and looks better cosmetically. If we'd had him circumcised, and he wanted to be intact, it's a problem. *His* body - *his* decision.
[ Reply | More ]DH got his way, but he felt more passionate about it than me. He was more for circumcision than I was against it. So I wasn't really going to go to the mat for it. I had some reservations and I just asked we do some research together before making a choice. We read different pro/con articles together. In the end he still wanted it done.
[ Reply | More ]Oh god! Get the circumcism. No kid wants to have 'the worm', especially once they're teenagers and trying to get laid. yuck.
[ Reply | More ]There are studies coming out that show that circ. men have a less chance of getting STDs & AIDS. AAP might once again change their stance on this (as of now they say that their is no medical reason to) . The foreskin is a breeding ground for bacteria. I know that we wash more now, but that is why certain cultures circ their boys because it is cleaner.
[ Reply | More ]there are millions of men who regret having had the end of their penis being removed without their consent, before they could ever say no. do any of you know what it's like when everytime you shower, change clothes, use the bathroom, or make love, you are reminded that you will never be whole? No one has any right to remove a healthy body part from someone without their consent.
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