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  • I think that when you get married you have consented to sex. That's what marriage is all about

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    05.13.08, 12:41 PM [ Flagged ]
    • are you a slave??

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      05.13.08, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • before or after you are beaten over the head with his club?

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      05.13.08, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • Uh no. Sex is not what marriage is all about.

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      05.13.08, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • are you the guy who wrote that wife contract?

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      05.13.08, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • wow, enlightened one, thanks for sharing

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      05.13.08, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • You and I live in very different worlds, and for that I am thankful.

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      05.13.08, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • If sex was all marriage was about this would be true, but it's about so much more than that

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      05.13.08, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • yep

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      05.13.08, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • well sort of, in general. Specific circumstances apply though

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      05.13.08, 12:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Not even sort of, not even in general.

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        05.13.08, 12:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • then why can you sue for damages if your spouse is injured and unable to have sex? What about alienation of affection?

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          05.13.08, 12:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • The phrase "consent" is the crucial one here. Being married to someone does not obligate you to have sex with him or her. Not sort of, not in general, not in any way. If you're married to someone who doesn't want to have sex with you, it may be a bad marriage, it may be a sad thing, it may even be legal grounds for divorce. But sex without consent is rape, and marriage does not change that.

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            05.13.08, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • the law does not agree. if you withold "consortium" from your spouse, that's grounds for divorce.

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              05.13.08, 12:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • The law does agree - a husband can be convicted of raping his wife. Refusal to have sex with your spouse can be grounds for divorce, but sex without consent is rape, even within a marriage.

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                05.13.08, 12:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • actually, the law agrees with both arguments

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                  05.13.08, 12:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • yikes, I am a former prosecutor and you better have a video if you try and convict a dh of rape and it better be torture with tearing and bleeding and bruising. Even then, not sure I could get 12 people to agree.

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                  05.13.08, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • Looks like you missed the part where I said that choosing to end sexual relations "may even be legal grounds for divorce." But refusing consent on any given occasion isn't grounds for divorce. More importantly, having sex with a spouse who has refused consent is rape. Full stop. Legally, morally, ethically. It's rape.

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                05.13.08, 12:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • it's not a situation where it "may be grounds for divorce." loss of consortium is grounds for divorce and your interpretation that refusal of consent is somehow "more important" than consortium within the marriage contract is only that, your interpretation.

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                  05.13.08, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • Two things. First, how many jurisdictions in the US still require "grounds" for divorce? It's my understanding that just about every state lets either party file no-fault these days. So I think you're likely wrong on that element.

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                    05.13.08, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • New York, for one

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                      05.13.08, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • Funny you should mention New York. "It is clear that a single request to engage in sexual relations is insufficient to sustain a cause of action of divorce on the grounds of constructive abandonment." That's from a 2005 NY divorce case.

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                        05.13.08, 01:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • NY insists on grounds. but we may be the onlyone

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                      05.13.08, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • NY and many red states

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                      05.13.08, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • ONLY 15 states allow no fault, dumbass

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                      05.13.08, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • "By late 1983, every state but South Dakota and New York had adopted some form of no-fault divorce (although some forms were not as easy to obtain as that in California).[8] South Dakota finally adopted no-fault divorce in 1985." -- Wikipedia. (I know Wikipedia isn't a great cite, but do you have any cite at all for your 15/35 claim?)

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                        05.13.08, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • Second, if a husband approaches his wife for sex a single time, and she refuses, he has no grounds for divorce or any other legal claim against her. So there is no implied consent to sex within marriage in the law. And if he proceeds over her objections, he's guilty --- in every state --- of rape.

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                    05.13.08, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • loss of consortium is not dependent on a single refusal, i agree. however, a rape case is very difficult to prove based on your description. sex over simple "objections" is not going to get many prosecutors interested.

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                      05.13.08, 01:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • I'm not arguing what you can get a conviction on. I'm arguing what the law and morality say. If you say no, it's rape. Period.

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                        05.13.08, 01:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • see what the former prosecutor says higher in this thread. basically, there's very little chance you're going to make a rape case against a dh unless there are serious signs of forcible action.

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                          05.13.08, 01:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Is non-consensual sex with a spouse legal or not? That's the only question I'm raising here. And the answer is no. It's not legal. It's rape.

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                          05.13.08, 01:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • for all intents and purposes, it's legal

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                          05.13.08, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                        • Except for the part where it's against the law, and if you're convicted of doing it, you go to prison. Other than that, it's completely legal.

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                          05.13.08, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • are you FLDS?

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      05.13.08, 12:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • A dh here and this is absurd.

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      05.13.08, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I take care of my dh because I do not want him to regret for one moment that he married me. But I love him sooo much that this is not very hard but I certainly have sex when I am only half in the mood and certainly pretend I am sometimes.

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      05.13.08, 01:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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