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Have been told that DOE has not asked schools how many students are leaving, nor have schools asked parents. According to my D3 G&T school, the DOE currently only knows about spots of students who have officially withdrawn from next year's class and the numbers are avialable on an "ATA" website in real time. So if schools do not get info about who is leaving before DOE matches, then high scorers applying for 1st and 2d grades etc will not be able to place into spots the DOE doesn't know exists. What does this mean? Currently at our school, only 1 or 2 confirmed openings for 1st grade. So, those are the open sibline/high score slots. Any extra slots that open over the summer will not be offered to sibs (because DOE has no waitlist) and will then go to new families who take test during summer. This is very unnerving and means high scorers and sibs could be locked out from spaces that exist come Sept!
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05.05.08, 08:15 AM [ Flag ]
- What is he ATA website? Should we talk to principal in June right after placements are made?
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  - Encourage principal NOW to find out how many open spots will be avail and tell DOE NOW so they can be filled by the applicant match date and not left empty or placed by new arrivals to NYC while high scorers are left SO
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    05.05.08, 09:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- Interesting, our D2 gen'l gave everyone a form to fill out to say whether or not their DC was re-enrolling next year.
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  05.05.08, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - May I ask which school?
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    05.05.08, 08:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - PS183
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      05.05.08, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - same - ps 116
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      05.05.08, 08:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - PS9 parent here: school has not yet asked who is returning; current K G&T's are maxed out
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    05.05.08, 09:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - another PS9 parent here: this is not true as the Ks only have 24 and can go to 25. And I think a couple of current K kids got into Anderson, second-hand so who knows if true but quite possible.
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      05.05.08, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      - DOE says G&T can go to 28
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        05.05.08, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        At most schools (LL is exception) they never put that many kids. It is a lot especially if only one teacher.
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        05.05.08, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        But the allowable is 28 with 1 teacher. Why not open the class up for qualifiers?
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        05.05.08, 09:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        Allowable maybe but not desirable by a long shot. The recommendation is for 25.
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        05.05.08, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        But there are GenEd classes with 28. You would then G&T kids could handle a larger class?
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        05.05.08, 09:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        It's counterproductive, because especially in higher grades the kids will be moving in from gen ed. So you would have 28 in G&T and 16 in gen ed. Schools don't want that.
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        05.05.08, 09:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      - How can they know they got into Anderson if no one knows how many sibs applied and how many 1st grade spots avail at A?
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        05.05.08, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        They have older siblings at Anderson, so sibling preference.
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        05.05.08, 09:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        Right; but no one knows how many A spots avail for 1st Grade!
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        05.05.08, 09:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        At least 6 since they are increasing class size from 25-28. So the siblings will get in if they got 97+
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        05.05.08, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        unless there are more qualifying sibs who applied (including sibs that are not at PS9) for A 1st grade then there are spots avail.
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        05.05.08, 10:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        there were only 5 sibs applying for 6 spots. 3 got in. it is known
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        05.05.08, 07:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
- They may well not fill those spaces at all, it's not a problem for anyone is the class has 24 kids instead of 26. Happened in our first grade this year.
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  05.05.08, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - problem is that high scoring applicants and sibs who wanted those spots may be SO even tho spots exist!
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    05.05.08, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - np: I was told there was going to be a WL for the higher grades. In fact for some grades there are no spots now, so they will put kids on WL for if/when spots appear. Not for K obviously but higher grades where any spots are based on attrition.
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      - Where did you hear this?
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        05.05.08, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        A friend is applying for second grade and was told this. Supposedly they have no clue whether there will be any spots for second grade at this point, though her dc (sibling) made the cutoff. She was told dc will be WL to see if a spot opens up. This is in D3, and I believe Nicky Rosen was the source.
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        05.05.08, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
  - Isn't it unfair to high-scorers who qualify for a spot to not open up the class when the regs allow for a bigger class?
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    05.05.08, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    - Teacher's contract actually limits the size in lower grades to 25. Some schools have exceptions but it's not something to aim for.
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      05.05.08, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      - Is this true? I swear I saw on the DOE site that 28 is the number.
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        05.05.08, 09:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        
        That's what we were told at our school. They create another class if the number goes above 25.
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        05.05.08, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]

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What is he ATA website? Should we talk to principal in June right after placements are made?

Encourage principal NOW to find out how many open spots will be avail and tell DOE NOW so they can be filled by the applicant match date and not left empty or placed by new arrivals to NYC while high scorers are left SO

Interesting, our D2 gen'l gave everyone a form to fill out to say whether or not their DC was re-enrolling next year.

May I ask which school?

PS183

same - ps 116

PS9 parent here: school has not yet asked who is returning; current K G&T's are maxed out

another PS9 parent here: this is not true as the Ks only have 24 and can go to 25. And I think a couple of current K kids got into Anderson, second-hand so who knows if true but quite possible.

DOE says G&T can go to 28

At most schools (LL is exception) they never put that many kids. It is a lot especially if only one teacher.

But the allowable is 28 with 1 teacher. Why not open the class up for qualifiers?

Allowable maybe but not desirable by a long shot. The recommendation is for 25.

But there are GenEd classes with 28. You would then G&T kids could handle a larger class?

It's counterproductive, because especially in higher grades the kids will be moving in from gen ed. So you would have 28 in G&T and 16 in gen ed. Schools don't want that.

How can they know they got into Anderson if no one knows how many sibs applied and how many 1st grade spots avail at A?

They have older siblings at Anderson, so sibling preference.

Right; but no one knows how many A spots avail for 1st Grade!

At least 6 since they are increasing class size from 25-28. So the siblings will get in if they got 97+

unless there are more qualifying sibs who applied (including sibs that are not at PS9) for A 1st grade then there are spots avail.

there were only 5 sibs applying for 6 spots. 3 got in. it is known

They may well not fill those spaces at all, it's not a problem for anyone is the class has 24 kids instead of 26. Happened in our first grade this year.

problem is that high scoring applicants and sibs who wanted those spots may be SO even tho spots exist!

np: I was told there was going to be a WL for the higher grades. In fact for some grades there are no spots now, so they will put kids on WL for if/when spots appear. Not for K obviously but higher grades where any spots are based on attrition.

Where did you hear this?

Isn't it unfair to high-scorers who qualify for a spot to not open up the class when the regs allow for a bigger class?

Teacher's contract actually limits the size in lower grades to 25. Some schools have exceptions but it's not something to aim for.

Is this true? I swear I saw on the DOE site that 28 is the number.

That's what we were told at our school. They create another class if the number goes above 25.

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