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  • When you people say that people give up too easily on marriages, what is it that everyone is supposed to keep enduring before it's enough, and if you're here and divorced, then why? Do you regret it?

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    04.25.08, 05:19 PM [ Flag ]
    • People assume a lot of stupid things.

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      04.25.08, 05:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • great point. and no one can really know what is going on in someone else's marriage. There is also no such thing as a perfect marriage, i think.

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        04.25.08, 05:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • i truly believe with the extremely busy lifestyles we all lead that marriages are ended to quickly and frequently. It sucks be a child of a broken marriage

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      04.25.08, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • COMMUNICATION

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      04.25.08, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think some people give in before really trying to work on their problems. A lot of people go into marriage without knowing how hard it will be.

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      04.25.08, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I think it's more like people's expectations about marriage and their partner can be too great. You need to be your own person too and not expect too much from the other person. Of course, I draw the line at emotional or physical abuse.

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      04.25.08, 05:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • I'll tell you my scenario: dh has gained 60lb since we got married, he has ocd, he has boxes and boxes of born hidden in the house, he chews tobacoo, and we fight all the time. is it time to leave him or what?

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      04.25.08, 05:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
    • people give up too easily meaning that if they don't feel passion or marriage is boring or they're not best friends, then divorce must be the answer...find someone else! shouldn't be that way. you made a commitment, had children w/this man, if he's not cheating or abusing you in some way, or has a drug problem etc., then deal w/a not so exciting life.

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      04.25.08, 05:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • I don't actually know anyone like this, but I know a lot of people who assume others are like this.

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        04.25.08, 05:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • there are so many posts on here that are just people saying their unhappy/not satisfied w/their marriage and so many responses of "life's too short, leave him and find someone else"

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          04.25.08, 05:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • op: in my case, it's not about lack of passion. it's about lack of movement on the part of my husband. it's about lack of compromise. it's about quality of life, and the fact that i have very little, that i'm the maid and nanny that works full ti well

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            04.25.08, 05:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • then why don't you just make decisions w/o consulting him? get a maid & nanny (which you must have if you work full time).

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              04.25.08, 05:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • i'm permitted to get a cleaning lady, but only every other week. He makes tons of money.

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                04.25.08, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • well, this is where your problem is...you make money too, you have value, you raise your children, etc...you don't need to ask permission. if you feel overwhelmed & need more help, then get it. if he has a problem with it, then fight it out. but stand stand up for yourself!

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                  04.25.08, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • op: certainly, the problem is that i don't stand up for myself. CERTAINLY. But, if i constantly must fight and deal with anger, repercussions for even these most basic things, and he makes a significant amount of more money than me, how exactly do I f ght it out? Rebel on a daily basis? Live in a warzone?

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                    04.25.08, 05:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • making a suggestion on the internet is very different than people actually leaving their spouses for these reasons.

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            04.25.08, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • Why do you care what other people do? People should be happy. Life is too short to be with someone who makes you unhappy.

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        04.25.08, 05:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • then you shouldn't get married

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          04.25.08, 05:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • Again, why do you care? Things change, people grow, sometimes you are very different people after 20 years than you were when you got married and are no longer compatible. Why stay together? Just because you thought you would 20 years ago? To prove something?

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            04.25.08, 05:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • no to keep the commitment that you made, remember vows?? for better or worse?

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              04.25.08, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • But why? If you're not happy, your partner isn't happy, you live a less full life than you want, you should stay together because of some words you said years ago under very different circumstances?

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                04.25.08, 05:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • that's the problem people like you take it as "just words" and it's not

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                  04.25.08, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • My marriage is based on our everyday experiences with and treatment towards each other, not words we said 18 years ago. We stay together because we want to, not because we signed a contract.

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                    04.25.08, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • but if things got shitty for some reason, wouldn't you do everything you possibly could to fix it before considering divorce as the answer? especially w/kids in the picture.

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                      04.25.08, 05:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • Sure, I would, but sometimes you can't fix your incompatibility issues and those issues aren't necessarily abuse or infidelity or any of the reasons that are "okay" to leave for. Sometimes you're just plain unhappy with someone and you can both hav better lives apart. I actually wouldn't leave because of infidelity, but I certainly would leave if I felt we were alienated from each other emotionally and that this would not change.

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                        04.25.08, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • If your husband said the only reason he's with you is because of vows, despite the fact that he finds no joy in your relationship, feels no love towards you, is bored and lonely and that this will not change, how would you feel? Do you want to be married to someone out of obligation to honor vows despite serious and unchanging unhappiness?

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                    04.25.08, 05:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                    • op: hence my problem. it may change. it may not. any change will certainly be extremely slow and at his pace. i have been ambivalent and thinking about this for years. how much longer must i endure this "what if?"

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                      04.25.08, 05:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                      • Only you can know that. I hope you can find happiness, whether that is within your relationship or by starting anew.

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                        04.25.08, 05:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • then you don't believe in marriage. you took the vow. if you don't believe you should have to stick to it (assuming no abuse, cheating, etc) then you shouldn't take the vow.

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                  04.25.08, 05:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • Actually, our vows didn't include "for better or worse" or "till death do us part" or any of that. I believe marriage is what you make it and that it is fine for people to separate if they no longer want to be married.

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                    04.25.08, 05:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • what is abuse? hitting, name calling? What about NO COMPROMISE? What about withholding of sex for years? What about totally separate accounts? What about no helping with children or household? What is abuse?

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                    04.25.08, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • you are someone that has NO IDEA, NO IDEA what it is like to feel trapped with a loss of self in a marriage - CLEARLY

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                04.25.08, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                • you need to find yourself outside of your marriage, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be married

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                  04.25.08, 05:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
                  • the problem is i want to do everything OUTSIDE of my marriage. I cannot be who I want to be when my DH is around. So, the problem is not finding myself. It's being myself

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                    04.25.08, 05:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
              • then you end up like my parents. married 50 years (yahoo!!!) and can't stand each other and can't be in the same room w/out nasty exchanges. For better or for worse!!!!

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                04.25.08, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
            • we're not talking 20 years most of the time here...we're talking people w/young kids.

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              04.25.08, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • ha!!! so we should be ready to stay married to someone who makes us unhappy? this is just wrong.

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            04.25.08, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • why do you care?

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            04.25.08, 05:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • np: but what is a commitment when you are thinking mostly of yourself? Life is too short but you made a decision to be married.

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          04.25.08, 05:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • And you can make a decision to not be married anymore. I don't see anything wrong with that at all. We don't need to be martyrs.

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            04.25.08, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
        • then you should not get married. it's the chance you take.

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          04.25.08, 05:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
          • I got married for immigration, not so I can stay shackled to someone no matter what for the rest of my life.

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            04.25.08, 05:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
      • ita

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        04.25.08, 05:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
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