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  • [-]I want to have a breast reduction. Have 2 dcs, 3 and 5... Any advice... Pros cons ?? Have had lg breasts all my life and finally ready to do something about it

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    02.03.12, 09:59 PM Flag ]
    • you will have scars

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      02.03.12, 10:01 PM Flag
    • Are you done having kids?

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      02.03.12, 10:08 PM Flag
      • Maybe.... Dh says yes, but I am 33 ( rel young) when ds is older I would consider another baby... I am okay w scaring... They will fade

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        02.03.12, 10:12 PM Flag
        • Is it still true that you can't breastfeed after a breast reduction, or is that outdated? (Not that you would have to breastfeed anyway, just a consideration.)

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          02.03.12, 10:20 PM Flag
          • np It was true for me. Outcome varies, though.

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            02.04.12, 04:47 AM Flag
    • Pros - cures neck and back pain. Better able to exercise without all that extra weight up top. You look thinner. Breasts will be perkier and more shapely.

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      02.03.12, 10:48 PM Flag
    • np: I'd love to hear answers too. My MIL had one and never regretted it, as far as I know. Wondering if there is any drawback. Recovery time? Expense?

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      02.03.12, 10:49 PM Flag
      • Recovery time is several weeks. If symptoms are severe -- back pain and rashes -- many insurance companies will cover it.

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        02.03.12, 10:50 PM Flag
    • Cons - LOTS of scarring. Nipples can be numb. Pain and recovery. Volume of breast milk may be less, requiring supplementation.

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      02.03.12, 10:50 PM Flag
    • Anecdotally, I've never know anyone who had a reduction and regretted it. I also know at least two who have successfully bf'd after.

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      02.04.12, 01:22 AM Flag
  • [-]What do you think when you hear MORMON?

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    02.03.12, 09:49 PM Flag ]
    • I really want to see the show!

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      02.03.12, 09:51 PM Flag
    • Cult

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      02.03.12, 09:54 PM Flag
    • Under the Banner of Heaven, crackpot religion invented by a high guy looking into a bag of crystals, wannabe Christians who aren't recognized by Christiantity, FLDS, welfare state of child brides at Colorado city "bleeding the beast," lost boy sons kicked out because not enough women, watered down beer, strange alcohol laws which make my Utah ski vacations less enjoyable, Provo utah girls majoring in a MRS. degree at the Y, and meth labs exploding in Motel 6 rooms in Ogden.

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      02.03.12, 09:54 PM Flag
      • oh, and I'll add, wacky secret underwear, layering garments like turtlenecks under sundresses, Warren Jeffs saying "are you keeping sweet" in that uber creepy toe-curling voice, racism against African Americans, killing gay marriage, and crazy pressure to their poor teenage girls to get married, have no career and become baby making factories.

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        02.03.12, 09:56 PM Flag
    • People that come from all walks of life but are all willing to ignore reason and logic when it comes to their religion

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      02.03.12, 09:56 PM Flag
      • As opposed to those who believe in Adam and Eve and Burning Bushes and water walking reform rabbis.

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        02.04.12, 05:13 AM Flag
    • good people. not religous myself.

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      02.03.12, 09:58 PM Flag
      • What makes them "good people?"

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        02.03.12, 10:06 PM Flag
        • they work hard. they keep modest. remember elizabeth smart. that family was trying to help people down and out in life odd jobs around the house. the mormons i've known have been squeaky clean, respectful and diligent. i woldn't mind if my kids turned to mormonism (?).

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          02.03.12, 10:12 PM Flag
    • LOL!I read this as MORON. I guess Freud would have something to say about that.

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      02.03.12, 10:04 PM Flag
    • Marry young, overbreed.

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      02.03.12, 10:17 PM Flag
      • that's FLDS, not LDS.

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        02.03.12, 10:46 PM Flag
        • False. I lived in Utah for 3 years. Not uncommon to be 25 year old couple with 4 children.

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          02.03.12, 11:09 PM Flag
    • a religion

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      02.04.12, 12:01 AM Flag
    • Hard workers. Every one I knew growing up ended up an MD or a lawyer.

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      02.04.12, 04:51 AM Flag
    • a little too odd for me

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      02.04.12, 05:07 AM Flag
      • but admittedly don't know much about it so I'll listen but won't vote for one

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        02.04.12, 05:18 AM Flag
    • A religion that's newer, but no less plausible than the other completely implausible religions. Whatever gets you through the night.

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      02.04.12, 05:08 AM Flag
  • [-]Okay, I've been drinking, it is late and I know no one will response, but do you think it would be crazy if I gain 30 pounds just to make sure I find a guy who will love me no matter what I look like? I'm dating now and I'm having a hard time finding a nonshallow guy. I want a dude tht wont leave me if I get burned, or lose a nostril or somethig that makes me ugly

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    • heh, at least you admit you are drinking! I think it's clever, but dumb. Don't sabotage your health in order to "ensure" someone is not shallow. New person could just be a closet jerk who likes em chubby. Either way, you run a risk. I'd just search for someone with integrity. They will love you no matter what- weight, old age, health problems. Assuming you reciprocate!! :)

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      02.03.12, 09:21 PM Flag
      • yeah, I don't care if my man gets a flabby neck!

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        02.03.12, 09:22 PM Flag
        • really? you shouldn't. he probably doesn't care about yours.

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          02.03.12, 09:24 PM Flag
          • ist a reference to a post from a whil back

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            02.03.12, 09:25 PM Flag
    • are you in NYC? stop dating hedgies, money managers, and ibankers of any form. add biglaw and advertising to that. the second i started dating nerds I found my soulmate, and left behind a lot of ego-fueled ibankers who had damaged my self esteem.

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      02.03.12, 09:24 PM Flag
      • I've been dating nerds, I moved away from the former whiel back

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        02.03.12, 09:24 PM Flag
        • seriously- find a chemist, biotech researcher, lab rat, engineer, math teacher... someone to love you for your big BRAIN ;)

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          02.03.12, 09:26 PM Flag
          • big brain overrated -- from an ivy graduate with IQ 142.

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            02.03.12, 09:27 PM Flag
          • been trying they all seem to want a trophy wife too. I dnt' want to be one of the typical ues moms who age and dh leaves them for a PYT. also, I'm not materistic r shallow, i dont cre abut money

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            02.03.12, 09:27 PM Flag
            • you should care about money. you'll regret it later on if you don't. but it's ok if you make your own. just make sure you have it or your husband has it.

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              02.03.12, 09:29 PM Flag
              • I make my own, I just want a husband with a good wrk ethic. I would marry a hard working teacher etc.

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                02.03.12, 09:30 PM Flag
                • i am not a church going type. but maybe going to one would help? i know a lot of people find christians sanctimonious, but there are also very nice christians, too.

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                  02.03.12, 09:32 PM Flag
                  • I'm an atheits, so probably would seem like lying

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                    02.03.12, 09:33 PM Flag
                    • plus, wouldn't they always be trying to convert you? uck.

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                      02.03.12, 09:34 PM Flag
                      • OP eh, I go to church with my parents for holidays and mst people are nice and view ths as annoying. I dont ahve anything against any relgin and would be fine with a guy who "believes", maybe just nt the type of guy who watns to go to schurch every sunday

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                        02.03.12, 09:36 PM Flag
      • i always dated bankers (was in finance self and went to bus school, so...) anyways, they were always the nicest guys around. you just have to pick the good ones. they're there! married one and he's one of the nicest guys i've ever known. period.

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        02.03.12, 09:26 PM Flag
        • well, I've dated and slept with a lot of the bad apple wall street types. also, got an MBA and literally watched bschool turn some sweethearts into escort-booking, cheating pervs. one of my former bffs from bschool literally ASKED ME FOR HIS ADVICE ON WHAT ESCORT TO PICK in the same im-chat that he was telling me how he planned to propose to his long term gf. ugh. I feel like wall street corrupts. -Trading Floor Mom

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          02.03.12, 09:31 PM Flag
          • ewwww that is horrible!

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            02.03.12, 09:32 PM Flag
          • this is just so the opposite of the bankers and traders i have known. also, that friend was an ass. i'd be incensed at his disrespect.

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            02.03.12, 09:35 PM Flag
            • If you are married to one, you probably are seeing what they want you to see

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              02.03.12, 09:37 PM Flag
            • yeah, we aren't really friends any more other than on facebook. he married that girl, dunno if he cheats but they moved to the west coast, and I'm guessing he shacks up with an escort every business trip he takes to nyc. but... not my life. anyways... in my experience most bankers were dogs, however there were some good ones in there. but, collectively, they were like needles in hay stacks.

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              02.03.12, 09:38 PM Flag
              • Another former trading mom here. ITA. I am still disgusted by some of the behaviour I remember and am so glad to have left.

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                02.04.12, 03:26 AM Flag
    • would you love yourself? I would become very insecure and unhappy if I gained 30 lbs.

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      02.03.12, 09:24 PM Flag
      • i would lose it aftr i found out he was oky with me

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        02.03.12, 09:26 PM Flag
        • Honestly, you need to think about why this is bothering you so much. And why you're dating shallow men. I know you're drunk, but still, this is wacky. You don't need to compromise your health and looks to find a kind guy.

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          02.03.12, 09:29 PM Flag
          • eh, how mnay other postrs post about the shtty guys they are dating, or their divr=ce or their cheating dhs

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            02.03.12, 09:31 PM Flag
    • Hey op- this might seem like a real simple, no-brainer answer... and also that's plucked straight from right-winger lexicon, but howzabout you look for someone with good family values? Like, someone whose parents are still together in a loving relationship, who makes time to visit family on weekends, whose brothers and sisters are all married and/or with kids? I bet someone like that is loyal and not shallow. Just a thought!

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      02.03.12, 09:35 PM Flag
      • I actusally do ask about family up front. It is imprtant to me. My parents have been married for 40+ years, so it is something that I wuold like.

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        02.03.12, 09:39 PM Flag
    • Here's my judge of character, would this person be someone I would want to be sitting next to on the Titanic? Is this someone who would help me? Or, would this person help himself first, pushing woman and children aside to get into a boat?

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      02.04.12, 04:17 AM Flag
  • [-]Something not boring? Ok, tell us something you deep-down think or feel that will outrage a lot of UB people.

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    • to quote squidward: "i hate all of you." j/k

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      02.03.12, 08:53 PM Flag
    • I honestly think I'm smarter than 98% of the people who come to UB. I'm also fat. Or fatter than I've ever been.

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      02.03.12, 08:56 PM Flag
      • that's pretty good. i think the women here are politically stupid but all in all, they are an impressive bunch. i often get told that i am intelligent (and sometimes actually think that i am) but i don't feel that i am smarter than 98% of the people here. i definitely am smarter than 99% of the people on cnn or realclearpolitics, etc.

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        02.03.12, 08:58 PM Flag
        • It doesn't take much to be smarter than someone on CNN. Not that you're not Einstein or anything.

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          02.04.12, 03:02 AM Flag
      • but for curiosity's sake, what makes you think you are smarter than 98%?

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        02.03.12, 09:02 PM Flag
    • I can't think of anything on UB that's not completely predictable. And attempts at humor are very very bad.

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      02.03.12, 08:57 PM Flag
      • I actually think there are some super funny ladies on here.

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        02.03.12, 09:09 PM Flag
        • A few, yes. Most, no.

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          02.03.12, 09:10 PM Flag
          • You can't tell right now, but I'm one of the funny ones.

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            02.03.12, 09:14 PM Flag
            • Say something funny, please!

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              02.03.12, 09:15 PM Flag
              • ::crickets::

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                02.03.12, 09:17 PM Flag
              • here's a yo mama snap: yo mama's so nasty, she slips ice down her drawers to keep the crabs fresh.

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                02.03.12, 09:20 PM Flag
                • np lol I like this. : )

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                  02.03.12, 09:21 PM Flag
                • :|

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                  02.03.12, 09:21 PM Flag
                • ^^ i'm not the mom who claimed to be one of the funny ones.

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                  02.03.12, 09:23 PM Flag
        • +1

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          02.03.12, 09:12 PM Flag
    • People who spend a lot of time on UB don't have many friends. I would include myself.

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      02.03.12, 08:59 PM Flag
      • but who likes people? also, it's more fun to be an ass on UB than be sweet and cloying to idiot moms at school.

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        02.03.12, 09:00 PM Flag
      • +1

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        02.03.12, 09:10 PM Flag
      • ^^ pegged me!

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        02.03.12, 09:18 PM Flag
      • I never spent time here until I lost my best friend - my mom. Such a lonely life without her. I hate every minute I spent with lesser people, so I have fewer friends now. I realize they couldn't hold a candle to her. UB is for lonely people, for sure, who need to ask anonymous people for advice. If you have a fantastic mom, you do not need UB.

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        02.04.12, 04:34 AM Flag
    • I see two extremes of moms here. The dim wits who have to ask about every stupid thing .... and the smug, obnoxious know it alls who think they're the best mom in the world ... And that therefore nothing bad will ever happen to them and their dc. Boy, are they in for a rude awakening.

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      02.03.12, 09:02 PM Flag
      • ITD. I feel like I know it all (almost) when it comes to the age range of 0-10 because I had worked with kids in this age range for over a decade before I had kids. My kids are now 7,9, and 10 and it really has been a breeze, but I know my limitations. I am in for a shit-storm when I have teens. I hate teenagers and have no idea how to deal with them and I know that most of the moms asking me for advice now will be giving me advice later on.

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        02.03.12, 09:13 PM Flag
        • You sound reasonable .... And the exception.

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          02.03.12, 09:30 PM Flag
    • The moms with 2, 3 and 4 yo kids, telling parents of teens how their little sweeties will always be great and any parents of teens who have issues just screwed up early on. What friggin idiots they are. I hate them, since they don't know what fools they are.

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      02.03.12, 09:05 PM Flag
      • can you say what does go wrong with these teens? would hate for it to happen to my little ones. any pointers would be great.

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        02.03.12, 09:06 PM Flag
        • Be teens. Make bad decisions. Try alcohol and drugs. Be irresponsible, rude, lazy. Sleep too late. Play too many video games. Not listen. Screw up. Be disrespectful. Make bad choices. Be teens.

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          02.03.12, 09:10 PM Flag
          • what could we do as parents to try to curtail this kind of behavior?

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            02.03.12, 09:11 PM Flag
            • Acknowledge that the best parenting in the world will not protect you and your dc from the process of moving from childhood to adult. It's the smugness and the "this will never happen to me" that is so sickening.

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              02.03.12, 09:15 PM Flag
              • is this really true (everybody?) that teenage years are necessarily full of pain and agony for everyone involved?

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                02.03.12, 09:16 PM Flag
                • No, not pain and agony, just saying you can't control it all as your kids get older and a lot of shit is beyond your control. It doesn't mean you're a bad parent.

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                  02.03.12, 09:21 PM Flag
                  • Personally, I just want my dc to do less of that stuff than I did. I was such a brat.

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                    02.04.12, 03:06 AM Flag
    • All the moms of babies and young kids who say I can never imagine my sweetie in ms or HS or college. I'm such an innocent. Do you have any idea how stupid that sounds? Look around you, fool!

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      02.03.12, 09:13 PM Flag
    • I hate the judgy judgy moms. If you're fat, just stop eating. If you're depressed, just snap out of it. If its hard to get to the gym, just wake up at 4:30. The "I do, why can't you" attitude is so obnoxious .... and so prevalent here.

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      02.03.12, 09:18 PM Flag
    • I'm 5'4, 235lbs, work out, look great and my DH and I have a fantastic and frequent sex life.

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      02.03.12, 09:18 PM Flag
    • Enough lols. But I do like the ha has.

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      02.03.12, 09:22 PM Flag
    • Not all trolls, but the ones who mock other people's tragedies. The lowest of the low. How do they live with themselves?? And we no its not just a handful of people.

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      02.03.12, 09:25 PM Flag
      • i'm assuming they think the OPs are trolls themselves, too... so they don't feel bad flaming.

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        02.03.12, 09:27 PM Flag
        • I don't understand this comment. Could you clarify ... Or say it a different way?

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          02.03.12, 09:38 PM Flag
          • sure. Like- I feel like the mockers just assume that the mockees are trolling to begin with. They don't take OP's post at face value- they assume the OP is lying, making it up, or fake. So they don't feel bad ripping them down with mean replies.

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            02.03.12, 09:50 PM Flag
    • these are not outrageous confessions like "i know i am prettier than 98

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      02.03.12, 09:28 PM Flag
      • ^^ 98% of you. all just gripe posts.

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        02.03.12, 09:30 PM Flag
        • Are you .... Prettier than 98%?

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          02.03.12, 09:40 PM Flag
    • If I were Madonna Badger, I know exactly what I would do. I'd immediately kill myself because I love my dc more than anyone who would not immediately kill the self. Hellllllooooo. Talk about sanctimonious. Far worse than that.

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      02.03.12, 09:28 PM Flag
    • Most people here feel far superior to single moms.

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      02.03.12, 09:32 PM Flag
      • I don't think so. I have nothing but respect for single moms.

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        02.03.12, 09:33 PM Flag
        • That may be true for you, I feel as if you are in the minority.

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          02.03.12, 09:37 PM Flag
    • Jews really are smarter.

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      02.03.12, 09:33 PM Flag
      • disagree. work harder, probably. but not baseline smarter.

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        02.03.12, 09:37 PM Flag
        • Genetic, cultural, historical, blood lines, whatever .... As an ethnic group, they are the smartest.

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          02.03.12, 09:39 PM Flag
          • First of all- isn't Judaism a religion not an ethnicity? Secondly, I'm sorry I just don't see it. If you plucked a random Jewish baby out of the arms of his L&D nurse, and plucked 5 other babies of various races from their mothers as well- then put them all in a loving adoptive home with exactly the same educational and financial opportunities, I think the outcome would not support your theory. I will cede to you that Jewish families have a better work ethic, drive their kids harder to succeed, and maybe benefit from connections more. But baseline smarts? Nope.

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            02.03.12, 09:46 PM Flag
            • it's the "white" jews. the askenazis. they probably are, as i said, just a tiny intsy wintsy bit smarter but not as smarter as THEY think they are. do you remember that asinine post inquiring about jewish kids and OLSAT stats? that's how much they think they're smarter. and i do love jews. best friend is one. but totally PITA sometimes.

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              02.03.12, 09:54 PM Flag
              • PITA how?

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                02.03.12, 10:12 PM Flag
                • omg. talk about in your face. talk about therapy!!! talk about not letting you have a little personal space. talk about money! then, talk about superiority complex. did i mention that jewish kids olsat inquiry on this board? looking down on christians for tithing (not religious myself) but they get seated at temple according to donations. then, not being able to share meals because must keep kosher. eat some freaking pork. then the crazy rabbis who have to bless everything. should i replace the dishwasher because it has had meat pans and milk pans together in it? one rabbi says yes, another says no, just wash it empty on boost three times. guess whose advice is heeded? christ. get a grip.

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                  02.03.12, 10:22 PM Flag
                  • Looking down on Christians for tithing? Really?

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                    02.03.12, 10:24 PM Flag
                    • yep, happens. jews, as i said both PITA and wonderful.

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                      02.03.12, 10:26 PM Flag
                      • But what would be the reasoning behind that? Christians shouldn't give to their churches?

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                        02.03.12, 10:32 PM Flag
                        • well, no. they are saying christianity is a crack religion because it "requires" congregants to donate money. it's a money grubbing establishment. but the irony is that temples have congregant seating arrangements heavily influenced by the amount of donation each family gives to the temple. they really do think they are superior. as i said PITA. but yet i love them! i really do.

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                          02.03.12, 10:37 PM Flag
                        • Interesting. Christianity teaches that one *should* give to the church (as well as to the poor, orphans, widows, etc.) as an act of worship, and only when giving with a joyful heart (not begrudgingly), but it is not a requirement for church membership or for anything else.

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                          02.03.12, 10:45 PM Flag
                        • well, you know. every religion must feel superior to the others or else they wouldn't survive. but i do think jews take the cake.

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                          02.03.12, 10:49 PM Flag
        • work harder than????

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          02.03.12, 09:43 PM Flag
          • work harder than kids of other backgrounds. (a la Tiger Mom)

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            02.03.12, 09:46 PM Flag
        • Are you kidding? I'm a freaking genius! Ha.

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          02.04.12, 03:10 AM Flag
      • now we're talking. yep, jews do think they are smarter. and they are a little, tiny, intsy, wintsy bit smarter because they had to outsmart everybody who wanted to kill them because they were such a pain in the ass that they couldn't even share a meal with a neighbor. anyways. you're not THAT much smarter.

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        02.03.12, 09:50 PM Flag
        • Wait a minute. Are you saying they're a little smarter because they had to outsmart the people who wanted to kill them because they were mean and selfish??

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          02.03.12, 09:56 PM Flag
          • no, they're smarter because the dumb ones got weeded out. evolution, my dear.

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            02.03.12, 09:57 PM Flag
            • I hate people who say "my dear" and mean, you dumb cluck.

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              02.03.12, 10:00 PM Flag
              • no, i really meant it. i have a hard time saying, "sweetie, hon" etc. because they sound too personal. but i can call anybody my dear."

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                02.03.12, 10:03 PM Flag
                • All I can hear is "frankly my dear, I don't give a damn." put down, big time.

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                  02.03.12, 10:08 PM Flag
          • oh, when i say they couldn't share a meal, i am referring to their having to keep kosher. not that jews were selfish. i think jews are one of the most giving people on earth. totally PITA sometimes, but also great in many ways, too. loved israel. totally friendly, then the brusqueness just peeks out now and then.

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            02.03.12, 10:02 PM Flag
            • What's the deal about sharing meals? Is this explaining the history of endless persecution!? Or what?

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              02.03.12, 10:10 PM Flag
              • partly. if you can't share meals with your neighbors because they don't eat clean, well, that doesn't breed familiarity and good will, does it? jews keep to themselves so survived thousands of years of persecution. but it also brought about their persecution. it's a double edged sword.

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                02.03.12, 10:25 PM Flag
                • So basically .... Jews deserved what they got. If they'd been a little more neighborly, none of these shoahs would have happened. Is that what you're saying?

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                  02.03.12, 10:34 PM Flag
                  • no, not exactly. they didn't deserve it. but they brought it on to a large extent by being so isolated and segregated. whenever a group is isolated, there will be a us vs. them mentality, especially when the going gets tough. it's easy to blame your "niggardly" jew neighbor for all your misery if you don't know him as a friend with whom you break bread. but to some extent, it couldn't have been helped because if jews had integrated more with their neighbors, there would have been more inter-faith marriages and conversions and being a small group, they would have gotten "wiped" out. i sympathize with the jewish plight but i am also honest enough to see that they contributed to their fate.

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                    02.03.12, 10:44 PM Flag
                    • good night peeps. going to bed!

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                      02.03.12, 10:46 PM Flag
                • Brought about their persecution? Are you f'n kidding me? Listen to yourself.

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                  02.04.12, 03:15 AM Flag
            • off-topic: see i am having this conversation about jews and thier PITA-ness and their goodness and i do feel a little bit like i know a bit more of their history than some other people do, yet i don't feel that i am smarter than 98% of the women here. i don't know how smart i'd have to feel to feel 98 percentile.

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              02.03.12, 10:29 PM Flag
      • this is crazy, I went to school with Jews in NYC, and I was always the of the class, there were plenty of jews at the bottom, I work just as hard....

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        02.04.12, 01:28 AM Flag
    • Dalton parents are the most smug. The most vocally holier-than-thou group on UB.

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      02.03.12, 09:36 PM Flag
    • I regularly worry that I'm going to be outed and this cloak of anonymity disappears. And I'm screwed for all time. Yet the terror doesn't stop me from posting things I would never link my real name to.

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      02.03.12, 09:45 PM Flag
    • Who are all these moms who are always drinking too much wine? I had no idea this was so prevalent. It creeps me out.

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      02.03.12, 09:47 PM Flag
    • here's another one: my mom doesn't think jews are really white. she's a freaking crack up.

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      02.03.12, 09:55 PM Flag
    • I think most of the preppy UES waspy moms who wear those barn jackets and all have the same blond streaked hair and hang out at Yura after brick church drop off are air heads and in a time machine. 2012 version of Stepford wives ... With little "Bon pointe" Stepford kids. They have to hang out with each other cause no one else can stand them.

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      02.03.12, 10:07 PM Flag
      • all right. more hostility.

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        02.03.12, 10:10 PM Flag
        • What does this comment mean, pp?

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          02.03.12, 10:11 PM Flag
        • Go back and read the OP.

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          02.03.12, 10:13 PM Flag
      • these women exist in every neighborhood, in every city.

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        02.03.12, 10:25 PM Flag
        • Ok, I can't stand them in the other cities either. Little pockets of time warps. Yuck.

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          02.03.12, 10:35 PM Flag
          • oh boy, I'm blond, streak my hair but like it messy, wear barn jackets but cannot stand YURA. I don't wear flats or hunter boots, but a good hermes scarf is good, I cannot stand the blondes that really are brunettes.

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            02.04.12, 01:27 AM Flag
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