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[+] I am going to get flamed but here we go, schools process is stressful for everyone no... 51 replies
- np: I know several middle school Buckley boys (a good friend's ds is there) and they have no inferiority complex what so ever. If anything I'd say the opposite. Though they are still quite nice and polite (and this is 7th grade not 5 yos)....
Talk : : November 20, 2009
I am going to get flamed but here we go, schools process is stressful for everyone no matter your position. Dh and I legacy at two TTs and everyone is snippy, sour and waiting for us to fail which is more than possible. Sucks.
51 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.20.09, 01:35 PM [ Flag ]Which just goes to show that it does matter whether you went to a TT school...maybe you are more sensitive to it because you've bought into the hype?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Exactly what I mean, that comment says it all. Always a backhanded comment from someone. People who did not go to TT buy into it, my comment is not that we will die if DC does not get in, it is the way people are practically cheering for it to happen.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This is a total "stroke me" complaint...just like when an obviously pretty girl complains about people telling her she's pretty or treating her like an object. You are just looking for validation when you whine like this. Have some dignity. If you need a compliment, just ask for one--don't try to get it out of people by "complaining" about your privileged life. Pathetic in a big way.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 03:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Complaining that you are pretty and people treating to "too well" is a lot different than saying it hurts when your child
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 06:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ when your child
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 06:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
No its not a stroke me comment. Saying people treating you well because you are pretty is different than saying people are unnecessarily mean toward you and your child daily because they are hoping you don't get something they want. It is very different. You know that but it sounds like you too are just bitter and jealous
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 08:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NP -- uh, NO. Maybe you need to criticize because you are jealous? My family has a connection at a school and we are stressed too, OP you have my sympathy. Having a connection is like being the chess wiz, everyone EXPECTS you to win, and in some ways the stress is higher.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thank you, we don't feel like dc is smarter than any other it has to do with us it is like the parents are hoping that we don't get in. And, let me remind everyone, if we do get in it will only ever be because we are 'connected' and dc is a dolt.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]of course parents are hoping you won't get in. there are a limited number of spots and if you don't get in their dc has a better chance.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right, that is the only reason. Care to address my 2nd point?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Is your other point that you are connected? Obviously that helps. Schools even say so. That doesn't imply that your dc is a dolt but it does mean they have an advantage so if there are two equal dcs, yours and an unconnected, yours would more likely get in. Of course the unconnected parents resent that.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Nope, you are wrong.
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 07:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you claiming connected students and legacies are NOT more likely to get into the school than the unconnected?
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
We went through this last year, luckily we got in- but you never know
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Dh and I were in the same boat. Now one dc is at tt and one isn't.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Our dcs too. Sucks. Same scores, 2nd round hunter etc etc, the tt said they just had no room for all the siblings. Feel completely dissed by community.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Funny, my two dcs both had the same erb score and early summer birthdays. One in to tt and one not.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How does the one who is not perceive what happens? I get questions all the time from the younger one. They grew up in big brothers school, do not really understand why they are not there.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have a ds in a tt ss school and dd in a coed school...
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well that is easier to explain then :)
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
does a 5yo really understand though that Collegiate is TT and Buckley isn't or that Trinity is TT and CGPS isn't?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 05:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, I don't think so. They just want to be at same school as big brother, where they thought they would be.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]eventually they do yes
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 08:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: I know several middle school Buckley boys (a good friend's ds is there) and they have no inferiority complex what so ever. If anything I'd say the opposite. Though they are still quite nice and polite (and this is 7th grade not 5 yos).
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 08:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Who is "everyone" that is waiting for you to fail?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]like the person above with the "more sensitive" comment!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP here thank you, like that woman. Obviously I don't think "everyone" cares it is used as a figure of speech, as you very well know.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that person is a stranger to you and wouldn't have said anything if you hadn't posted this. unless you tell people you are legacies they don't know. so it seems you could have avoided everyone knowing by not talking about the process so much.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]But isn't it perfectly normal to have talked with your peers about where you grew up and where you went to school? I don't think OP was bragging.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Maybe its just obvious that I went to public grade schools. How do you know people are waiting for you to fail?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Again, above poster is not OP, I am. This is ridiculous obviously you have never lived in new york city.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I do live in NYC. I just don't get that worked up about what others think about me and if they want me to fail. There's nothing to be gained from worrying about it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
"don't ask, don't tell" -- yeah, right! Why can't OP feel the stress and share with people? or perhaps we should get rid of UB altogether? Why does anyone post on here? I still read sour grapes in your comment!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So do I
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not applying this year so there's no sour grapes. If the people waiting for her to fail are all on UB then yes, she should get off so she doesn't know they are waiting for her to fail.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No the people who want her to fail are IRL her preschool, friends etc.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
1. I am not first poster 2. Right, like your preschool isn't small enough for everyone to already know where you grew up and went to school in an environment like this!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: seriously? pretty sure that none of the parents at my son's preschool could tell you where i went to high school. it has never come up. a few of the ones i am closer to could probably tell you where i went to college, because it figures into my life more (met dh there).
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Most people I've met since dcs were in school who know that I grew up in NY ask me where I went to school here.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i guess many of the people we know are not native NYers (in our neighborhood, many people moved here as adults for work).
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think that may be part of it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Should have gone public then
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Riiight, except she went to private so she knows better than to do that to her dcs
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]this response doesn't make sense. if OP went private she has no first hand knowledge of publics so she doesn't know better than to do that. your reply would only make sense if OP had a bad experience and was chosing differently for her dc
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
The process was completely unstressful for us last year. We're in a zone where we could live with the public school, DC got into half the schools we applied to, and a good G&T. There wasn't a stressful point during the whole thing.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: care to share that valium?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
snippy and sour is probably true,as it is behavior you can see. waiting for you to fail? you have no idea what's in the heads of other people. i would assume your child will get in
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 07:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm not saying you should assume that, just that as part of "everyone" i would, not knowing child, erbs etc.
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You assume that because you hear the rumors spread by all the people in new york city who want just another excuse as to why it is so hard to get into schools: because dumb connected kids get in. Just not true. Our two schools only allowed a few connected families in a year, all of them qualified, and if they can't cut it they are counseled out like everyone else
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]my point was that i wouldn't be "waiting for you to fail." if in fact your child didn't get in, i wouldn't be happy in any way. i'm not sure why you're so bothered by the false impressions people have. ok so i thought your child had more of a shot than he/she does. i do know sibs and legs who have gotten dinged, and the the children are fantastic. what i'm trying to say is that i know this process is stressful for you, and i hope you don't make it harder on yourself by concerning yourself with what other people think of you
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 08:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Yes, I'm obsessing but humor me: if an SB tester tells you your DB worked "very hard"... 15 replies
- It's meaningless and polite closure to the meeting....
Talk : : November 20, 2009
Yes, I'm obsessing but humor me: if an SB tester tells you your DB worked "very hard" it isn't good - right?
15 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.20.09, 01:13 PM [ Flag ]no way to know. Now stop obsessing! really, seriously!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes get DC tested right away good luck!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's meaningless and polite closure to the meeting.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm pretty sure this is what Janet Jackson told me a couple of years ago and I felt certain it was the kiss of death--it sounded so lame and lukewarm. And my child made the Hunter cutoff.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]And past Round 2, btw?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np What difference does that make?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Am curious. If she'd like to answer, of course.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP: that wasn't me... fwiw
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 03:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
OR: nope. But what I meant to say before was, I obsessed over this phrase, posted here, etc. And was shocked when I got the good score back. So try not to obsess!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 03:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]TY, I'm NP who asked about getting past Round 2. Am waiting to see if dc will get to Round 2 and what people think helps dcs get past Round 2.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
That is what they have always said to my 3 dcs, worked very hard, they all made Hunter cut-off, but none got in....
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my dc got "did a lot of good work" 140. don't think it's cut off material.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np And my dc's tester said "she finished her work". 99 (whatever that is now). These comments mean exactly NOTHING, imo.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
was it dr synan? that's what she said to my dc.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's much better than saying your child is very bright within earshot of the child. It's wise to praise a child for how hard they work.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] i got an email from Obama-I donated and now I get email updates from his people--the ... 33 replies
- ? it's not the presidential office, it's the dnc. and i don't see what you quoted as dirty politics or a smear campaign. it's all fact....
- fact? it is interpretation and it is beneath the office of the president. Remember? New politics? Not the same old Washington crap?...
Talk : : November 20, 2009
i got an email from Obama-I donated and now I get email updates from his people--the subject line was Sarah Palin and they used the word liar and the word dangerous--so a few things--fear mongering as a tatic to get the dems in line--i don't condone it, second of all-the more you keep talking about Palin the more of a threat she will become and third I would really rather the president talk about the merits of the programs instead of his people using this as a tactic. I think it lacks courage.
33 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.20.09, 08:27 AM [ Flag ]I donated to Hillary and got emails from her asking for money in 2009! That bugged me a lot-
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Obama is way in over his head. He is acting like the newly hired junior person in the office given a stab at responsibility above their ability level. Head down, blaming others.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't believe for a second that was an official email. Why don't you post that email here?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right now, Sarah Palin is on a highly publicized, nationwide book tour, attacking President Obama and his plan for health reform at every turn. It's dangerous. Remember, this is the person who coined the term "Death Panels" -- and opened the flood gates for months of false attacks by special interests and partisan extremists. Whatever lie comes next will be widely covered by the media, then constantly echoed by right-wing attack groups and others who are trying to defeat reform. As we approach the final sprint on health reform, we can't afford more deception and delay. We need to be ready for anything -- and have the resources to respond with ads, events, and calls to Congress when the attacks come. So we're setting a big goal: $500,000 in the next week to help push back against Sarah Palin and her allies. Please chip in $5 to help reach our goal.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]: $500,000 in the next week to help push back against Sarah Palin and her allies. Please chip in $5 to help reach our goal.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/dnc08Palin?source=20091119_MS_Palin_nd_inact&returnlink=false
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]now do you believe me?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]She won't respond, but I say thank you OP (voted for Obama btw)
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: I believe you but everything in the e-mail you received is 100% accurate, unlike the words coming out of Palin's mouth. I get annoyed that the dnc keeps asking for money, but I like that they are truthful in their e-mails, unlike the ones from the RNC.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]or just ridiculous, like Steele's fundraising letters re the schoolchildren singing that song about Obama ("obviously this is JUST like Mao or Stalin!) or getting the Nobel Prize ("uh-oh--the Europeans LIKE him!!").
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
OR: Sorry, i stepped away. I do believe you now--but from what you had said, I expected a different sort of email entirely. I don't believe that is fear mongering. Unfortunately, I think the misinformation they are referring to--the "death panels" and false characterization of what is in the bills--is dangerous. I certainly think that the president should focus on the merits of proposed programs, but when blatant lies are being bandied about--and spread in the national media, by those who should know better--I agree that those lies must be addressed.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
this is from the dnc. not barack obama's office.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]and please compare it to the crap coming from the rnc. the poster above mentions a few choice highlights.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it is from barackobama.com that is the return address which i witheld
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: Nope, it is from the DNC. You posted a link above. Scroll down to the bottom. DNC.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
id on't see anything wrong with calling her a liar or dangerous, nor with taking her seriously since she's clearly priming herself for a run in 2012. worse would be to brush her off as a harmless annoyance imo.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it is petty and beneath the dignity of the president, whether it is done by his office or his proxies.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]disagree. not petty at all imo.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but it's not beneath the dignity of someone clearly running for president to call the president a liar and dangerous?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you evaluate the merits of a candidate and how they act is absolutely worthy of consideration. Once in office, however, you should comport yourself with the dignity afforded the office.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i guess someone forgot to let george bush in on the secret.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]absolutely, and he was vilified for it. The standards should be high no matter who is elected to the office.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
palin was still in office when she made up the death panel lies. or is the office of governor not afforded any dignity?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't know whether she was or wasn't, as I do my best to pretend she doesn't matter. Nevertheless, the presidential office shouldn't be operating on her level, should it?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]are you high? it's not the presidential office, it's the dnc. and i don't see what you quoted as dirty politics or a smear campaign. it's all fact.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]didn't realize it was the dnc. That is exactly who should be sending out this stuff. I had my panties in a twist when I thought it was another instance of overreaching, akin to the WH press office lashing out at Edmunds when it criticized the auto bailout program.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]again the return address is barackobama.com--it is the extension of his campaing but now the donations have to go to the dnc and not bam
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Are you guys illiterate? The link she posts from the email is to barackobama.com. That's not the DNC. That's our idiot president.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: Are you illiterate? Go to barackobama.com. Scroll down to the bottom. It is organized by the DNC and it explicitly states that "this communication is not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If it is that misleading that we have to go to the bottom and look at the small print (my exaggeration) then it raises questions about how the president is allowing his name, and thus his office, to be used.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
fact? it is interpretation and it is beneath the office of the president. Remember? New politics? Not the same old Washington crap?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: would anybody dispute this? That she made that false death panels statement and that the claim was then widely covered by the media? "this is the person who coined the term "Death Panels" -- and opened the flood gates for months of false attacks by special interests and partisan extremists. Whatever lie comes next will be widely covered by the media, then constantly echoed by right-wing attack groups and others who are trying to defeat reform."
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
fundraising is fundraising. Both sides use whatever might work. Delete your email address from their list if it bothers you
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Does anyone think it is odd that the healthcare reform passes congress and all of a s... 17 replies
- it's strange that no one on the committee or advising them appears to have had half a brain about the political implications of what they were announcing and how it would play out in the mass media. But otherwise, no,...he was president. I think you're the one that lacks a clear perspective - like maybe the difference between politics and science?...
Talk : : November 20, 2009
Does anyone think it is odd that the healthcare reform passes congress and all of a sudden we have new guidelines for cancer screening?The government is now flipping the bill actual correction, taxpayers are paying and they are establishing new rules for cancer screening. So sad.
17 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.20.09, 07:38 AM [ Flag ]I don't think it's odd. The govt. isn't efficient enough to have coordinated this.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think it's strange that no one on the committee or advising them appears to have had half a brain about the political implications of what they were announcing and how it would play out in the mass media. But otherwise, no, it's not odd or at all connected.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree the timing seems suspicious but it doesn't make sense for the gov't to do this. If you don't catch cancer early its more difficult and more expensive to treat so whoever is footing the bill should be in favor of screenings as early as they'd be meaningful. This is just from a $$ perspective -- I don't expect anyone to be on the lookout for our health but ourselves.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The new guidelines are based on scientific information. The old screening was based on "feelings". It's actually a good thing to use science to make these decisions, which, by the way, come from the medical community, not the government. By the way, I got cancer in my 40s and I could feel the lump but it did NOT show up on a mammogram, only ultrasound. Unfortunately, with younger women, cancers often don't appear on mammograms because of dense breast tissue. Don't you think that's important to know and consider?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Then don't you think the panel should have recommended no mammograms before 50 but sonograms after 40? My dr always has both done for his patients, btw.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, I do, if it is the case that cancers are picked up by sonograms. I know that currently studies are being done about MRIs -- there is thought that they might be good for women with high risk factors, although not useful for everyone (too many false positives).
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i think too many ppl on this board are so blinded by obama's charm that they refuse to look at this with a clear perspective that maybe it is a little troubling.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]??? The group that put out the guidelines has nothing to do with Obama. They weren't appointed by him and they started the work that lead to the recommendations long before he was president. I think you're the one that lacks a clear perspective - like maybe the difference between politics and science?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wow, what an intelligent comment! You are correct, the guidelines for cancer screening were changed because Pres. Obama decided to hell with mammograms, they are just too expensive. We would be far better off if our country was run by rational people like Sarah Palin and Bill O'Reilly, who use reason and intelligence to make every decision.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree 100%. People are so blinded by Obama's eloquent speaking that they don't realize he is driving this country into the ground. Trillions of dollars being spent on healthcare reform and it the new cancer screening recommendations is only a "conicidence". Yea right.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Of course! Obama really wants to make sure those trillions go right in the pocket of insurance companies because that's what he's all about. He does NOT want to make sure people who don't have insurance can get it -- that's just a lie he says in order to make sure insurance execs get lots of dough! If we had President Sarah Palin, she'd definitely make sure every woman, rich or poor, got a mammogram at age 40 because she believes with all her heart in spending taxpayers money to make sure even the poorest women get great medical care!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's possible you missed the sarcasm above!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^but, I do love how people can believe Obama is both a socialist and also only interested in giving money to big business. It's takes a certain ability to believe two contradictory ideas at the same time, and I guess I'm just lacking it. However, posters like the above and people like Palin and O'Reilly have that special ability to argue two contradictory things are true! It's quite amazing!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Do you honestly think the government is this coordinated? And I work for the government!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Of course she believes this! She believes that the government is fantastically coordinated and yet completely inept at the same time!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No...Obama isn't a socialist. He is eliminating bonuses, firing ceo's, creating healthcare system controlled by the govt....let's see what else....but no he isn't a socialist. Oh I forgot he is telling oil speculators what the true price for oil should be, because you know he pretty much knows everything.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Another NEST question. Does anyone understand the recent email about kids having to ... 33 replies
- can I ask politely that since we have asked for more communication that it would not be a great idea to criticize the communication we get - I'm sure the author knows all the grammar rules- there are different standards when typing at places such as this...
Talk : : November 20, 2009
Another NEST question. Does anyone understand the recent email about kids having to start wearing plastic ID cards all day? I don't want to ask on the NEST forums because they're a little...high intensity, esp. when discussing admin. decisions. Anyone know what this is about?
33 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.20.09, 07:06 AM [ Flag ]Are you referring to this memo. "it has come to my attention that many of the children no longer have the IDs that were made for them when they first started at NEST+m. As it would help the School Nurse, the new Aides and the Dining Hall staff to have the children wear their IDs during certain parts of the day, I've asked the teachers to help identify all the students who need new IDs so that we can make sure every student has one. Thanks for your support on this endeavour."
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]... seems to me completely reasonable you portray "wearing plastic ID cards All Day" is a bit skewed.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: they are being asked to wear them all day, no? If not how will the new Aides and Dining Hall staff see them? BTW, is the capitalization in the memo or did OR add it?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]nope not all day, just to have them: I for one would want the school Nurse to be absolutely positive of the ID of my child before say giving nasal mist for H1N1 (which could hurt my child)
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You can't trust your child to tell the nurse his/her name? I always thought NEST was getting an unjustified bad rap here but kids in school having nametags is an insane rule.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sure the child is in Kindergarten can speak and write name address and telephone number; still two children in Brooklyn were injected with H1N1 vaccine without parental consent - the school nurse said they called the name and another child was sent to the office - nurse should have reverified - an ID would have helped - no real damage was done - but if child had an egg allergy or if given the mist and has asthma you never know what could have happened.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]... don't get me wrong I don't think it is necessary either - but it doesn't bother me that my kid is wearing a name tag with his name on it. Now if was a dunce sign like we had to wear that is another story
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I could also see where it would be helpful to quickly identify who goes where as it has been pointed out that there is not enough time for lunch etc... I don't have a conern about this - it is not like they are making them wear orange jumpsuites
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]can I ask politely that since we have asked for more communication that it would not be a great idea to criticize the communication we get - I'm sure the author knows all the grammar rules- there are different standards when typing at places such as this rather than formal letters at least in my book
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]IDA. Schools are supposed to teach the grammer rules and they should follow them.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]In a perfect world yes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Do you understand the new policy, then? Sounds to me that they'll be wearing plastic IDs every day.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it says "certain parts of the day"
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Don't you find that weird?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i bet it means not when they are in a place where their name and school could be learned by some pervert. not on the playground, not on field trips. just a guess.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Honestly, I don't; but I respect that you do. Ours is a very diverse school population and you know what it is great but we all have different backgrounds - this seems completely normal to me.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
not a nest parent, but is this really necessary? presumably a genius who tested into nest can identify himself unless comatose. it just makes the school seem like a factory. glad our (very crowded) school doesn't do this.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]nest students use the id to check out library books & classroom books and to charge lunch - not to id themselves.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]gosh, we use the old-fashioned way. i guess we don't have enough reverentia pro sciencia at our school.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yep bar codes rule
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it really is very helpful, (e.g. at my local gen ed free school lunch children are identified on a list which is supposed to be confidential but it becomes apparent who is getting free lunch - with a bar code parents pay website on the back end, or not, and there is no stigma - at least that is the way it is supposed to work.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]couldn't you use the website to pay without a bar code? or just mail a check? there's no stigma at our school and we don't have barcodes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]How is that possible? At our school each dc has a number and the lunch is charged to that number, and if you are free lunch you don't get a bill, if you are not you will not get anything.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
So now-you must realize-parents from Nest+M are on UB.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR - did I come across as high intensity? because I tried to tone it down.......
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP here, and I didn't think so, and I really don't want to be hypercritical at all - I give the new AP the full benefit of the doubt and she seems great so far - but I've never heard of an elementary school requiring kids to wear ids and I thought the email was cryptic enough so that maybe I just didn't understand. If it means that they grab them when they're off to the library, that makes sense. If it means they are wearing them clipped to their shirts all day or at recess, that seems very institutional and sort of creepy
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]agree. i can see why the school might want dcs to have them, but wearing them seems creepy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh c'mon it makes the Best Buy uniform authentic
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ha! i was just thinking that. and i take credit for the original nest/best buy joke. : )
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thank you for that - it made me laught at the time
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't think they have to wear them all day. The admin just want the kids to have their IDs handy at school in case they need it. Went to the open house today... 2 kids were wearing it in one class, none at the other...
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 11:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]perhaps you should come to school at least once a month to understand what is going on.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 11:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you have a nice chance to do visit the school, today... Potluck dinner! Let me guess - you have other plans!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Ivy exmissions are slipping at TT SS schools. Brearley 32.8%, Spence 30.43%, Chapin 2... 35 replies
- Y/W. FA, yes, but I think these schools still care a lot about legacies. Harvard has a very strong legacy policy (one of the strongest). Not to mention all the celebs and political families....
Talk : : November 19, 2009
Ivy exmissions are slipping at TT SS schools. Brearley 32.8%, Spence 30.43%, Chapin 28.37% from 2005-2009.
35 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 06:42 PM [ Flag ]I truly cannot believe people actually calculate theses stats and then make decisions about a 6yos future education based on them.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]try 4 y.o's. that's how old DCs are when they apply for K. and the single-minded focus on Ivy is absurd - it's as though Stamford or Williams or MIT don't exist.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np; if you care about other schools, you do your math. What gives these schools TT status is this exmission %. It probably means there is more parity between TTs and non-TTs.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, it's as if Stamford doesn't exist.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Actually, it's not that hard to get into Stanford from the East Coast.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i think people calculate like this bc it's a quick and dirty guide to college placement ... not they they wouldn't be thrilled with stanford, etc., but it's easy to agree on 8 schools and do the math from there.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^otherwise it becomes a big fight over what the TT colleges are, and the reed grads go crazy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I got into Stamford it was easy - it cost me a train ticket from Grand Central.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]eh. not funny.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITA. Seriously.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Colleges have a commitment to D*I*V*E*R*S*I*T*Y.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Collegiate did just fine though. 38.8%
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Where did you get these stats, and someone just posted that Trinity did not report. From where, what's the source?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]From the schools' own websites. They now have 05-09 stats published.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Got it. Anyone want to volunteer to collect and post them here, for TT? A Mom did it a few yrs ago for the crazy NY Schools crowd.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, every TT school stat went down, maybe except for Dalton (flatish) at 32.3%. Trinity did not publish 05-09 at all. Collegiate went down but still 38.8% (but lower than it used to be). HM is also lower than it used to be but still 34.66%.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]BTW, based on matriculation, NOT based on admission, and graduates who went onto colleges. Not all schools specified, so compared apples to apples.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: My sense is that Harvard's FA policy put into place last yr or so and copied by others was a real game changer. Making the system more of a pure meritocracy, no financial barriers to students who are qualified but can't pay. It's possible it affected the drop in NYC private admission rates.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^and thanks for doing the work to post the stats here!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Y/W. FA, yes, but I think these schools still care a lot about legacies. Harvard has a very strong legacy policy (one of the strongest). Not to mention all the celebs and political families.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]True. Now if only the person with the Trinity 05-09 numbers from other post would share!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have to think it must have been hard for Trinity since the death of HOS last year...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Why do you report 2 decimal places for Spence and Chapin, but only 1 decimal place for Brearly? Are you hiding something?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not hiding anything. I rounded for B and now I forget what it was.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I love you!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thanks.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Wow, that's kind of low.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Also, apparently the proportion of home schooled kids who are being accepted is rising.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]But that could be bec many profoundly gifted kids are homeschooled...?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Or maybe the ivys want to have less 'cookie-cutter' kids, all from the same old schools.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Probably geographic diversity. This is how they get more white kids.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
not statistically significant.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Hey newbie, they are always within a few percentage point every year but never expect to outdo the year before. It has been this way forever. You women from god knows where are strange. Do you have any idea the kind of education these dcs are receiving? College stats are nice but the real meat in is the 13 years that prepare you to be far better educated and well read than 70% of the population!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, actually there were Spence moms who were on before who said their stats were going up. Not the case but I think it might have been true last year maybe.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] IT FINALLY HAPPENED. I brought cupcakes to my daughter's 6th birthday at school, and... 27 replies
- kids do get more polite as they get older....
Talk : : November 19, 2009
IT FINALLY HAPPENED. I brought cupcakes to my daughter's 6th birthday at school, and a little boy asked, is that your mom or your grandma. It wouldn't even have been quite as bad (though still awful) if my dd had not been there. She said defensively, that's my mommy! He said, oh because she looks kindof like a grandma. I am 45 but stress had made me look older for sure. And I have a 4 year old! Being a granny mom is HORRIBLE. How do I put it behind me, since this will only continue and no turning back now?
27 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 03:27 PM [ Flag ]Do you color your hair? Hair color and cut can make a big difference.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Have you let yourself go? Maybe a haircut and some Olay Regenerist or something would help.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, I have not let myself go, I get my hair cut and colored every 4 weeks, dress "youthful", etc. But I have had a pretty hard life in many ways and have various enormous stressors, it shows, I have aged about 20 years in looks in the last 8 years. I
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm really not sure what I can do about it, those injections are so expensive and require upkeep, I look REALLY old, no wrinkles but much worse than that, skin that sags so you'd never guess my age (which isn't young anyway). I just don't want my kids always being asked why their mom is so old, I could deal with it better if it were just my thing, but don't want them to be humiliated.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: every kid is embarrassed of their parents for some reason. i really, really would not worry so much about your kids being humiliated--this would happen even if you were twenty years younger. moms will always be too old, too young, too fat, too thin, obnoxious, too shy... you can't win. how old you look is the least important part of being a good mom!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks. My dh's parents were 21 and 23 when he was born. He said his mom was always talking about how much younger they were than other parents, and he never thought of them that way--they were just his parents. The reality is this is my issue--I really really wanted to have kids younger but it did not happen. IT is definitely something I am extremely sensitive and quite unhappy about, though I try not to let it suck all the joy out of my fabulous dcs. For someone who feels differently, the comment might bite less.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm like your dh's parents--i'm really self-conscious about how young i am! i had my son at 23, and i always feel like people see me as a teenage mom. i also try to tell myself that it's just my issue. for a while i tried to "look" older, but then i decided that i was being silly, and i am who i am. we really can't win :)
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]obviously much better to have your problem!!! Good for you. I am jealous. Enjoy!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Definitely know how you feel! I agree with previous about gray hair -- definitely makes a huge difference. Also, try not to be so upset by a six year old. Though my son asked me on Tuesday why my butt is so big, and I signed up for Weight Watchers,
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]well, the point is, others think it, just not everyone says it. I've been getting for years, in amazement, "Are those your kids?" but no one actually ever implied it was at grandma level.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
kids do get more polite as they get older.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]And guess what. It will never stop. You'll only get older. So, relish your age! You are what you are. Just laugh a lot. Wear bright colors. Tell the kids jokes. They'll be so enraptured no-one will think of your age, just how great you are! Good luck. (FYI: DC is 5, I am 51).
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm really sorry that happened to you. FWIW, when my MIL comes to visit and takes my 5 YO son out, everyone thinks she is his mom! She is fifty-five. There are tons of granny moms in this city, and you should not feel alone. Just think about all the great things that come with age and that you can give to your dd. There are tons of advantages to being a little older, wiser, and more settled!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I know how you feel. 41 y/o, DD is 5 y/o, hair is still naturally brown. Was knitting and another 5 y/o asked if I was a grandma, because it seems that only grandmas can knit.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np LOL. I suspect the child would have asked a 25 yo she saw knitting the same question.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]totally agree. THis has nothing to do with how you look (and you are not even an old mom by pretty much anyone's standards).
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Granny mom here. No one has been so horrible to comment on it yet (sorry about that!). Keep up with your hair color, keep your weight in line and wear at least a bit of makeup. I don't think the mid-30s moms have a clue that I am 43.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks. I am literally considering plastic surgery because of the sagging, but can't afford it, and am afraid of looking totally different and just weird, not younger.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR - Oops. I actually totally I forgot. I did have my eyelids done a few years ago. That helps a lot. I had one of the top surgeons on the West Coast and I just look the same only 10 years younger. You have to be very very careful about who does the work. I think it was only about $3000. I wouldn't be able to do it in this economy so I'm glad I did it when we were feeling flush. Still, I really do recommend it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]By the way, I'm sure you look absolutely fine as it is.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
and i was upset my dd's ballet teach thought i was the sitter....at 39
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I've been getting the sitter thing since my first was born. But grandma is a whole other category. It means looking at least 10 years older. Older moms often talk about getting mistaken for the grandma, but I wonder if that is really true. I know quite a few MUCH older fathers who get mistaken, but they are way way older (like 60s) and it is different anyway, I think--not as socially "egregious".
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what exactly is sagging?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]most people on this board wouldn't even know. That's why I know I'm in a different category. TOo much stress, bad genes, pregnancies and "other factors" have really taken a toll. Consider yourself lucky if you have to ask.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]still wondering...what sagging is
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]or which parts are sagging?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
don't fret.. .i had a v. poochy, out of shape, graying, deli counter guy (did i mention that he was gross) ask me if i was grandma. my retort was well, if i am grandma, you must be great grandpa! it really stopped him in his tracks.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] If there's the dc of a celeb/"bold-named" in your dc's class is it completely 'normal... 65 replies
- madonna's daughter, lola is very polite and friendly. What a girlie girl!...
Talk : : November 19, 2009
If there's the dc of a celeb/"bold-named" in your dc's class is it completely 'normal'-- do they interact w/class, go to school functions. Do they befriend any of the other parents? Are your dc friends? BTW -I'm a public school parent, just curious.
65 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 01:05 PM [ Flag ]My dd is good friend's with Pilot Inspektor, Apple, and Kal-el.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Funny, mine with Moxie, Coco, Suri, and Moses. And I think they, shhhh, play.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]how is this true for apple, moses and suri? they are hardly ever in the same place and i doubt 3 yos keep in touch
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, private jets help, but you're right it's tough.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
typical celebrity "hollywood" baby names
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Good question, but I believe most people on here will feel that they are to "cool" to answer question.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're right. One mother in pre-k w/older dc at dalton was so obvious in her name-dropping it was humorous. But that was her personality.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I grew up in WashDC. Parents of my friends were household-name politicians and journalists. (Nothing like talking to BF's dad when his face is on the TV in the background.) Just act normal and talk about normal things. But don't pretend you don't know who they are.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]me too! i'm an ncs alum, what about you?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NCS waaay back. Then Exeter.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hey! Sidwell alum here. Big names were everywhere. But unlike NYC, the big names in DC actually WERE important. Not just rich or famous.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]politicians are NOT important. they are high-level bureaucrats. they are not glamorous. and they are ugly. would much rather see movie stars at curriculum night than some loser congressman.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Let me assure you, top pols are every bit as exciting as movie stars. And second-tier pols as boring as your average TV actor.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]lolllllllllllll. whatever. keep telling yourself that. top pol like ????
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I met Clinton and he was riveting. So him for instance.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but he's in NY now. so he obviously wasn't riveted enough to stay. anyone else, other than POTUS?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm confused are we talking about the people who are interesting not the city they live in?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i was pointing out that there are not many interesting people in DC. many, many more in nyc.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Obama. Ted K. (r.i.p.) Bill & Hillary. My parents knew Robert Kennedy very well -- mom said if he'd asked, she would have slept with him. And she never said that about Warren Beatty who is also their friend.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i am sorry, but out of the 5 you mentioned, 2 are basically historical figures! and no one in nyc, on this board or otherwise, gossips about patterson or schumer. no one cares, when there are so many more interesting people to notice.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]like who? chrisopher walken? harvey keitel? who are all the hot stars who outclass all pols?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]now why did you have to name 2 of the greatest actors who ever lived????
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm the Sidwell poster and I wasn't referring only to politicians, in fact, didn't think of them in that post. Bob Woodward, Marion Wright Edelman, Mike Wallace, etc. But of course, meeting Bill and Hillary at the annual auction was cool too.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]omg. i just fell asleep thinking about those BIG NAMES!!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OMP, ITA. They're totally not exciting like Spencer and Heidi or the Kardasians.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]huh? this is NYC, not the OC. and why are you listing people who are all over 60 years old? doesn't exactly make DC sound like a young and vibrant city.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: Many more important people in DC than NYC...I never said DC was a more vibrant city!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]People over 60 can't be important. Who are the important people in NYC to whom you're referring? All the names I see being posted on this thread are actors. You can't honestly believe they're important?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Just do an UB poll, who would you be more excited to have as a fellow class parent, bono & seinfeld or the HUD secretary. see who wins. lol again.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Just because a bunch of vapid sycophants in NYC would be more excited to see these people doesn't make them more important. Do you really not see the distinction?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Are you guys still on? I'm in DC now and applying to Pre-K and need to discuss GDS and Beauvoir. Would love to chat if you're around...
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
there was a celebrity dad we knew. his wife was really nice and did all pick-up/drop-off. he was usually on tour, but when he was around he was not very nice. our kids were friends, but even at playdates, if he was around he was really cold and aloof. i think it had more to do with being a jerk than being a celebrity, though! didn't volunteer to fix/build things like many of the other dads or anything like that.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]sounds like my non celeb dh
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
there was one family in dd's school. very normal. mom (who was the celeb) would pick up her own kids and others after school in her suv. kids participated in plays, chorus, fundraising - just like anyone else. Parents showed up to conferences etc, no fanfare. i didnt know her personally (differnt grade)but she always said hi to me and everyone else and she had several close friends in other moms who were not celebs/super wealthy. It;s probably one of the few places where they can feel normal. their kids hung out with all the kids in their classes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]When I was a little girl I saw Roxie Roker and her kid at the airport. That kid, who was about my age, grew up to be that one guy on the radio. And they totally snubbed my mom and I.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lenny kravitz??
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That was him!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]too damn sexy and he knows it!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yuck.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'll bite- there is the dc of a famous actress in my ds's preschool class- I noticed this child from the get go because they are exceptionally beautiful looking- had no idea whatsoever that the parents were famous until I got the class list. This should give you a clue- they are very low key parents- the less famous parent is an active member of the school community - the much more famous one is much lower key- just modestly does pick up and drop off- some kids in the class with nannies do playdates with this child- who, despite being child model looking- is a typical charming normal 3yo-you'd never know in a million years.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Christy Turlington's kids?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Mariska Hargitay's son?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Jennifer Connelly's kids?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]since I have no idea who she is married to, she is not likely the less famous
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what? not following you.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
at first i thought you meant brad p. but they are both equally famous.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Anyone at Dalton who knows Bono's kids ... and their parents? What are they like? How do they interact with the other kids and parents in the grade?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not me, but a good friend's dc goes to school w/dc of someone extremely famous. My friend has become a "mom friend" of this actress and it is hilarious to think about b/c my friend is so down to earth and non show-biz. But the kids have play dates together etc. and she and this actress are just like regular mom friends.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]My dd isn't in school yet. But I work with celebrities and my experience even the crazies are pretty normal when it comes to their kids.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm a public mom with experience with a couple bold-faced names. the ones i know are completely normal in their interactions with the class but there are boundaries. the home is pretty much off limits, personal information isn't included on the class list. that sort of thing.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]At our private, the famous mom, married to a famous dad print their gmail e-mails vs. private ones, and they also gave a home address, but it was a temp home at the time.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]similar at our private. famous musician DH, gmail addresses, but real home address (well-known building, generally tight security)
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 05:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]bono
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]not quite that famous - front man for a well-known band, but more people would recognize the band name, not necessarily his name.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what do you mean they print their gmail e-mails vs private ones? Are you saying its an extra email account they have for spam from dc's friends parents?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
We have the child of a very famous personality in DS's class. The Dad (the famous one) has been around upon occasiona nd his wife goes to all b'day parties etc. It must be hard for her but she sucks it up! Very good for the kid, I think. Half the class skips parties because of country houses but they go.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]jon stewart
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Who cares - GAFL
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]What is GAFL?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think I just figured it out ... as in get a life, right?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
madonna's daughter, lola is very polite and friendly. What a girlie girl!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What's Madonna like as a parent in the school? which school?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]She's nice, she doesn't go to the school so much, but when the schools has some 'special day' that the kids can bring the parents or something like this, when she can go she goes. The school is LYNY
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 04:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] do interracial couples get divorced? 76 replies
- Same person who rushed up to me at a political event and said -- in a hushed voice -- "Did your parents accept [DH]"? I'm Chinese and DH is WASP....
Talk : : November 19, 2009
do interracial couples get divorced?
76 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 12:58 PM [ Flag ]no, never.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm not even sure that it is legal for them to do so. I know there is a Supreme Court case that held they have a right to get married, but it didn't discuss divorce. Hmm.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I have to research the case law in this... hmmm...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No need to research. Take my word for it -- it is odd, but true.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i didn't ask can they, but do they. i don't think so. i think their unions are stronger and thus last forever.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: are you serious? you realize that they are human, right? and what about all of the interracial couples that never get married, but have a kid and then break up? what about their unions?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]in the latter, they are not married so not part of my question.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i just don't understand. do you really think the act of marriage transforms the union of interracial couples but not couples belonging to the same race?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]She apparently think those of us in interracial marriages are "special," like having your own water fountain was special or something.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol, i think she is trying to be supportive in a strange, patronizing, insulting kind of way!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wait I thought she was kidding?! Oy
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
As half of a deliriously happy married interracial couple, I say: WTF??
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:14 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]do you know any interracial previously married couples that divorced?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: i do. there goes your theory!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: you realize this is a statistics thing, right? the number of interracial couples you know is probably way smaller than the number of same-race couples you know. so even if they have the same rate of divorce, you will know many fewer divorced interracial couples.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I know two couples that divorced, and one of them were interracial. God you'e so weird... and patronizing... and a little racist.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm trying to picture who OP is.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Rush's illegitimate cousin?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Same person who rushed up to me at a political event and said -- in a hushed voice -- "Did your parents accept [DH]"? I'm Chinese and DH is WASP.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
racist against whom? how can you say that?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: when you assume something of people, based on their race, it is racist. even when the stereotype is positive, it is racist. they are people, they are not defined by their race. interracial couples are human, with human flaws, just like any other sort of couple!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]never mind. and for your information i am in an interracial relationship
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Like saying blacks are good entertainers and athletes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Because it assumes that interracial couples are "special" somehow. Like they're not like any other couple. Just because it's not a negative per se, doesn't mean it's not racist, since you're still making judgements and assumptions based on race.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's not based on race, it's more based on circumstance or situation.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The situation based on race, yes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think OP's question is idiotic but the people responding that it's racist to make assumptions of people based on just their race: how do you feel about affirmative action? Same assumption principles, isn't it?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm one of the posters (in an interracial marriage) who called the post racist. Yes, I feel that affirmative action is racist, too.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thank you. That is awesome that you are so consistent. Few are.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
And what makes their union stronger?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i think because of what they will face they consider marriage much more closely and have a stronger bond.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]"What they will face"??? Come on, DH and I laugh at the minor things that do occasionally happen. Are you in the Deep South or something?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]or live in the 50s?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think that's crap. I don't think interracial couples consider marriage more closely or have a stronger bond. My friend's divorce just became final. She was in an interracial marriage. I am too, my marriage is fine.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Umm - my BIL and former SIL were an interracial couple, and they got divorced.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yes, left quite a pickle.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what about same-sex interracial couples, though? an even bigger conundrum.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I thought there was jurisprudence on them not being allowed to have children?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Never. Ever. The sex is always so hot.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That is why I have a mistress of another race. Has done wonders for my marriage.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]one of those hot Puerto Rican girls? Like Rosie Perez?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Gloria Estefan!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]puerto rican is not a race.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ah, yes. The fog of academic fatuity begins to roll in.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]nice turn of phrase
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thx.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
race is not a biologically valid construct anyway. so why can't puerto rican be a race?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]the same reason pencil or postit or tall is not a race. because that is not how we define race.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]well somebody defines puerto rican as a race, so why not?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]somebody who? I thought Puerto Rico was a steak!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
according to a judge in louisiana, almost every time
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]the responses to this post are hilarious. OP why in the world did you ask such dumb question?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]in all seriousness, the rate of divorce for interracial couples is actually lower than for couples of the same race.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ I'm in an interracial marriage, and I know that for us and for other couples I know, one thing that happens is that when you're dating because you're interrcial you just communicate on a different level and you take your relationship more seriously because you have to deal with some external and internal stuff that others don't necessarily have to deal with.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]many couples who are not in a biracial relationship take those relationships seriously.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes, but all things being equal, interracial couples are pretty forced to
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ pretty much forced to.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Do you seriously believe this? OK, I'm in an interracial marriage for the last 13 years and I can honestly say before we got married we didn't have any conversations about it. We just saw each other for who we are. It wasn't any big discussion with our families either. They both could care less what race we are, as long as we're happy. Now this might how something to do with the fact that both my husband and I had dated people of many different races before we got married so race was no thing to us.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ok well that's your experience but I assure you it's not the experience of most.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: I assure you it is. Another interracial gal here, together 12 years. Never talked about it. We love each other for who we are.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: Yet ANOTHER interracial wife of 7 yrs. Have never had to explicitly talk about it, and our respective families couldn't care less either. This ain't Georgia circa 1954.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You don't sound like you're in an interracial relationship at all. I think you're just trying to stir the pot. A rare consensus on UB! The only poster who seems to think it makes a difference is you.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what internal stuff would you have to deal with? A person is a person. Why would you have to communicate on a different level?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you're nuts
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Please, post a link to the evidence.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I knew it!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What a bizarre question. We are an interracial couple and we fight like nobody's business.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]"like nobody's business" I haven't heard that expression since my grandfather died.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]:)
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
My friend in the product of an interracial couple and her husband is %100 AA. Even though she is not that smart they seem to have a good family life. They do live in east Harlem though and he wants to move to Jersey!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You win the award for nonsensical answer to nonsensical post.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It was an inside joke on a public forum. This entire thread is the most ridiculous one that has ever been on here.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]And that's really saying something. Although, I have to say, every time I see mass censensus on UB I assume FAKE.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'll bite. I am not in an inter-racial marriage perse, but in an inter-cultural marriage. I think for those that date and marry outside of their and their family's comfort zones, you have to really love the person to deal with all the surrounding noise. My wife was told that our marriage would never last because we aren't the same religion, and both my mother and grandmother flat out told me I shouldn't marry my wife. We are now in our 6th year of marriage with 2 lovely children
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]We are in our mid-30s and many of our friends/family/acquaintances are getting divorced. I guess the point is that a lot of people who marry others from very similar backgrounds may be doing so just to please family or take the easy road. Dating someone of another ethnicity/background/race takes a lot of guts, and marrying them even more so.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Atlanta, Dallas or DC. Which one would you chose? 20 replies
- Dallas is one of the worst cities in America. Atlanta's just . . . Atlanta. DC, no matter how exciting the politics, is a bit boring. DC first and Dallas last....
- your personality. I don't really know Dallas, but DC is a great city in some ways, but everything is about politics/govt. Definitely a one-company town. Atlanta can actually be a great city to live in. I know two couples, neither from...
Talk : : November 19, 2009
Atlanta, Dallas or DC. Which one would you chose?
20 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 12:57 PM [ Flag ]dc
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]DC. wouldn't consider the other two in a million years.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How about in order.... My first choice is DC but the more I think about the cost/commute and hectic lifestyle, the others seem more appealing. Our family is spread out, so it all can work.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i lived in atlanta and it was awful. have not lived in the other two, but i would guess dc would be the nicest.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^it is hard to imagine a worse commute than the one that you will likely experience in atlanta. i lived in buckhead and it took me an hour to get to emory, which is like a mile away.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
For a girl's name: Dallas. For a boy's name: DC.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]They all sound like stripper names to me. I'd go with something more tasteful.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ROFLMAO!!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Dallas is one of the worst cities in America. Atlanta's just . . . Atlanta. DC, no matter how exciting the politics, is a bit boring. DC first and Dallas last.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]my rank - DC, Dallas, Atlanta
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Depends on your personality. I don't really know Dallas, but DC is a great city in some ways, but everything is about politics/govt. Definitely a one-company town. Atlanta can actually be a great city to live in. I know two couples, neither from there who have settled and been very happy. (The dh in one case moved from DC, which he hated.) Atlanta is very much the "new south", but it is still the south, however, and I can see someone who's from the northeast having culture shock. (But then, the other two cities will no doubt have the same problems.)
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Impossible to get a decent hot meal in Atlanta or Dallas. No ethnic neighborhoods like in a Northern city. DC is just far enough north to be OK. Technically, the most southern Northern city is Baltimore.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: I was the one who posted above about hating the time I lived in Atlanta, but I really disagree with this. Atlanta is full of excellent restaurants! The food (and there is all sorts, not just what you'd think of as southern fare) is the highlight of living there. The first stop for many immigrants is ATL, and the food reflects all of the different cultures that settle down there.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 05:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^And there are tons of ethnic neighborhoods. It's a sprawly city, and I wouldn't want to live in many of them, but they are definitely there.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 05:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
DC
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]DC...without a doubt. I truly dislike dallas and Atlanta and could never live there.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I went to high school in Dallas in the late 80s and hated hated hated it. I always thought it was a physically ugly city and I went to school with lots of rich Christian hypocrites - basically the same sort of people who made up the Bush administration. That said, I have recently visited friends who are living there and thought it wasn't as horrible as I remembered it. Certain areas, like Turtle Creek, are quite pretty.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 05:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]DC >>>> Dallas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Atlanta
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]DC: pretty, great exposure to history for kids, glamorous, intelligent populace. Dallas or Atlanta? Shoot me now.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 05:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Atlanta is way too urban and hip hop right now for my taste. Dallas BTDT loved it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 05:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Do you know that the people who are trying to block health care reform are the same k... 48 replies
- This is UrbanBABY. You need to go find a political site that you can rant on b/c people here do not come here to listen to your political POV...
Talk : : November 19, 2009
Do you know that the people who are trying to block health care reform are the same kind of people who tried to block universal education, social security, and nearly every other step forward we have taken as a nation? Same mentality. Same lame excuses. "We can't afford it!", they say. These are moral issues! Ending slavery, the Civil Rights Movement, giving women the vote, ending child labor - all this progress was opposed in much the same terms as we see happening today.
48 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 12:06 PM [ Flag ]ITA, the conservative movement is the most hypocritical machine on the planet. They preach morals and live without them. Bunch of fear mongers clinging to an America they don't fit in anymore - thank God.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]they're evil geniuses, though. they've somehow convinced the very people they're oppressing to join them in condemning the people who, you know, want to pay them a living wage and buy them health care.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:38 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are they the same people that clog up the check-out line at Fairway? Because I don't like those people AT ALL.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you mean the East Coast liberal elites?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This is the best line I've read here all day!!! Am going to steal it. Thanks.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:24 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Aww shucks. Thanks!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NP: It's always been that way. There were plenty of women that actively campaigned against voting rights for women, for example - they had all sorts of *great* arguments about how it was a bad idea for women and the country.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
They are not the only hypocritical jerks out there.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
You should realize that many people are not opposed to what they are trying to do, but how they are trying to do it... the government would like you to think otherwise.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: And yet many of the alternative ideas that have been proposed would do little to nothing to address the problem of extending insurance to those who are currently uninsured. Many people on both sides would like to see changes. I would like to see more emphasis on promoting effective treatments and discouraging ineffective treatments. But at the same time, something needs to be done now.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]We need to reduce the cost of healthcare, so that it is more affordable. At the same time our population is aging and medical care and technology has gotten more complex and expensive. Raising taxes and cutting reimbursements to healthcare providers is not the solution.. it will result in extreme shortages of Doctors as they leave the profession because they can no longer cover their expenses. Who is going to see all these newly insured patients. We need torte reform! We need to allow insurance companies to compete across state lines. These are two changes that would cost relatively no $ and yet are not part of the current proposal ( not in a meaningful way ). What is being proposed will not work and will result in a deterioration of current medical quality, shortages & rationing AND higher taxes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]These are starts, but they are not enough. I agree with you that both should be incorporated into current proposals. But I don't believe for seconds that doctors are going to leave the profession in droves. I am married to one and work with many, and most of them are not in it for the money--the good ones anway! They could do their part by trying harder to incorporate evidence based medicine into their practice. This craziness about the age at which to start mammograms is illustrative of our commitment, as a country, to early, frequent, and often needless screening + intervention (even when health outcomes are worse as a result).
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]^oops "for a second"
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am also married to a doctor ( and writer of the comments above ). My husband often works until 11 at night and often 7 days a week. His expenses keep going up ( malpractice, office staff, billing ) and yet his reimbursements are going down. They only way for him to maintain his current income is to see more and more patients which is becoming very difficult given the hours he is already working. Many of the guys that he knows that are in their late 50's and 60's are planning on retiring if things continue to get difficult.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I hear you--it's hard work. Hard for them, hard for us (the families), and the training is brutal. That's why I would like to see torte reform too, and maybe some kind of windfall profits law about what can be charged for insurance (have you ever seen one of the graphs of profits vs what they pay out?!). I would like to see better pay for the primary care docs so that more go into that profession, and less money going towards all of the personnel who have to handle billing (on our side and on the insurance co. side). agree the system is out of control!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: oops again, tort reform. did you notice that we both did that? i'm hungry.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol, I must be hungry too. We should start a support group for wives of doctors.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITTA> Signed wife of doctor also
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If ppl think that health care reform will not increase everyone's taxes in the long run then they are fooling themselves. You are wrong they are not all the same ppl that tried to stop SS and universal education. There may be some but what do you expect this is a Christian society.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: what does that mean? "this is a christian society" is supposed to explain the opposition to public goods? i am a christian and i support all of those things: universal healthcare, social security, universal education. love your neighbor...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Don't be so simplistic! Take the time and understand the financial situation that this country is in and what the proposed plan is going to do to the economy. It's great to want to have universal healthcare but you have to have the money to pay for it. The plan on the table right now is completely unrealistic from a cost savings standpoint and is going to create further tax increases that are going to further weaken the economy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The very fact that The United States of America does not have the best, most affordable health care on the planet, along with the best in Public Education - without question, given our wealth is a national disgrace and an abomination. Period. The end.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I blame liberals.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:58 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Of course it is going to create higher taxes, that is all Obama does. Big ideas that everyone but illegals and the super poor do not have to pay for.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you seem so...well informed.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]And many of us are willing to pay higher taxes in support of those big ideas!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np LOL. Wait 'til you're lined up at a walk-in clinic waiting for primary care...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wait, until you turn on your brain and realize that THAT is already happening across the country!!! If your lack of information weren't so pathetic, you would at least be laughable. Twit.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]So, you wait at a walk-in clinic for healthcare? Bullshit.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OMG! You could not possibly be this dim??? Do you know what a walk in clinic is?? OMG! OMG! Crawl back under your rock.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think it's YOU who doesn't know what a walk-in clinic is, actually.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you realize that many countries with universal healthcare still have privately owned clinics/hospitals/practices, right? the average wait times in germany are less than in the US.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]And in Canada it's nearly impossible to find a GP if you move to a new city.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]obviously there are different ways to do things, and you needn't assume that the service we get would match the worst characteristics of other countries--that was my point! medicare patients are usually very happy with the service they receive.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]HUH? I live in a Canadian city where everyone is always bemoaning the lack of GPs. Yet, the problem is a lot more structural than it is one of numbers. The GPs are there, but there is no simple way to match a GP to a patient. That's the real issue with universal healthcare: very difficult system to manage efficiently. But that's the same with private healthcare as well, Americans don't seem to believe that private insurance makes the system easy to navigate.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
tons of people can't even get primary care if they were willing to stand a in long line. to them that would be a big improvement!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
NP: We have the most wasteful medical system in the world, and it takes up a greater percentage of our GDP, with worse outcomes, than in any other country. Lack of access to preventative care/early intervention helps drive these costs and poor outcomes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]And limiting things like mammograms for women in their 40's is going to do a lot to increase early intervention. This is an example of what government involvement and control is going to be like... wake up people!!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That is one case where early intervention has been proven to be more harmful than good. So early intervention when proven to be effective is what I should have written! Intervention for intervention's sake is a major problem.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the cost could easily be made up by stopping the wars of choice we continue to pursue
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
This is UrbanBABY. You need to go find a political site that you can rant on b/c people here do not come here to listen to your political POV
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Go home Tracy!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
op - Saw an interesting op ed in the NYT today that echos some of these same points and especially highlights the arguments made against the introduction of social security and medicare when they were introduced: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/19/opinion/19kristof.html
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 02:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]OK and I'll bet you're the first to complain that you won't be able to get a mammogram until your 50. That's just the begining. I'm sure under healthcare reform there will be many new studies that say you don't need the exsisting care you already receive.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]What is wrong with you people? Nobody is saying that you CAN'T get a mammogram until you are 50. A committee that studied the effects of screening via mammogram found the benefits from 40-50 were outweighed by the negative effects. Thus, they are advising against the routine use of yearly mammograms before 50. If anyone had any indication of NEEDING a mammogram before 50 (high risk for whatever reason, found lump, etc.) they can certainly get them under these recommendations.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:06 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't understand why proving people don't need the care they are receiving is a BAD thing? I mean ideally we'd have a system where we don't actually give people the care until we prove that they need it, but absent that, what are we supposed to do? Go on doing the wrong thing forever because we screwed up when we originally recommended it?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
For what it's worth, Lincoln was a republican. Also, Strom Thurmond led a walk-out of southern democrats in 1948 and ran against Truman as a Dixiecrat. BTW, does you DC go to public or private. If you really wanted diversity, you would be in public. Your arguments are nothing more than bloviating hypocrisy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: Wow. You realize, I hope, that what the republican party (and democratic party) stand for has changed a lot over the years? What exactly were those statements supposed to illustrate? And where on earth did the public/private school thing come up in THIS post? BTW, my child does go to public and I'm not sure why you would assume that OP's does not. What that has to do with healthcare reform, I am not sure.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Do you know that the same people, same mentality that tried to keep slavery and child... 9 replies
- This is UrbanBABY. You need to go find a political site that you can rant on b/c people here do not come here to listen to your political POV...
- I disagree- there's a Politics board here exactly for that reason....
- op - you'll notice I said same kind of people and mentality - not same political party. as far as mammograms, not planning to get one at 40 or 50 as I am of...
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Do you know that the same people, same mentality that tried to keep slavery and child labor and block universal education, social security, and every other good thing we have, and also for that matter tried to block giving women the vote and opposed Civil Rights and actually defeated Equal Rights, now oppose universal healthcare. Their argument is always "We can't afford it!". But eventually this healthcare issue will be recognized by all
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 12:00 PM [ Flag ]sorry - posted before I was finished typing!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Ditto marriage rights for every adult, including those who are gay.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Umm, actually it originally was the Democratic party which opposed civil rights. And it was a Republkcan who ended slavery.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: yes, but since that time the parties have changed dramatically, and now the Democrats are more like the Lincoln Republicans, and the Republicans are the old "Southern Democrats." Let's not spew hyperbole without doing our history homework, pls.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:33 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITA. They are the same people who opposed the establishment of medicare, which is the only reason parents and grandparents of posters here can get health insurance. Otherwise, no insurance company wants to insure a senior citizen. I dare people to argue that we should do away with medicare.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]You would think the folks who wanted to keep slavery and child labor would be all for healthcare since they must be really fucking old.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]This is UrbanBABY. You need to go find a political site that you can rant on b/c people here do not come here to listen to your political POV
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I disagree- there's a Politics board here exactly for that reason.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
op - you'll notice I said same kind of people and mentality - not same political party. as far as mammograms, not planning to get one at 40 or 50 as I am of that other species - male. Also, I lived in the UK for a few years and found their national health service to provide overall very good care. and of course there was always the option of private doctors and hospitals.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 10:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] The President is a coward. He needs to man up and start making decisions on crucial ... 5 replies
- Please spare us. It's such poor judgment to keep posting political rants on UB. At least post to Politics so those of us who have no interest in your tantrums can avoid them. Isn't there a political forum where you can go instead, seriously?...
Talk : : November 19, 2009
The President is a coward. He needs to man up and start making decisions on crucial issues.
5 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 11:16 AM [ Flag ]OH! START A BLOG ALREADY!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 11:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Uh, I think you're in the wrong place. UB is about parenting.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 11:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]But Obama is ruining this whole country like and everything and even ruining me as a good mother! LOL!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 11:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
let me guess, your favorite radio station was sold by Nascar to some Spanish syndicate so now you have to listen to Rush during the day... close?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 11:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Please spare us. It's such poor judgment to keep posting political rants on UB. At least post to Politics so those of us who have no interest in your tantrums can avoid them. Isn't there a political forum where you can go instead, seriously?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 11:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Gift ideas please for twin 6yo ds and dd. $25 each. thanks! 19 replies
- .as politically incorrect as it may be to you...
Talk : : November 19, 2009
Gift ideas please for twin 6yo ds and dd. $25 each. thanks!
19 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag ]gift cards to Barnes & NOble
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thanks but i think at that age, kids still like to open gifts that they can play with or use right away
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I think a Razor Scooter at kmart/target is between 28-30
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]can/do 6yos roller skate?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think (unless you know they already have it) that scooters are better. Roller skates are a lot of work, you can't really skate *to* places b/c then you have to carry shoes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i am pretty sure they already have scooters
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Also, if you order them online, I think you can get them cheaper.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Lego sets - come in all price ranges
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]do kids that age still like dora and diego?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]anything harry potter!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]jewelry making kit for the girl. ant farm for the boy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Because little boys love science and little girls love bling?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no because a lot of little girls like jewelry and jewelry making kits and boys like ant farms. that's just the way it is....as politically incorrect as it may be to you
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, it's not "just the way it is", it's what you create.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
the fun of the jewelry making kit is MAKING the jewelry as well as wearing it. I see nothing wrong with that. It takes skill and creativity. Girls would like an ant farm too and she can play with it with her bro and I have a sneaking suspicion that bro will want in on the jewelry making.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]by the way, I am the OR and I am an engineer. always loved science. and I loved creating and designing things. Perhaps that what inspired my ideas. Get over yourself already and silly concerns about being un-pc. Girls can do whatever they want today!! I hope you moms out there are not denying your little girls pink and frills and jewelry making kits because you think it is not pc.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think that either is fine as a gift individually, but together they scream "I believe in ridiculous gender stereotypes". IMO, if you don't know the DC well enough give something you know they would really like, give something gender neutral. (And I would consider the ant farm a gender-neutral toy, not a "boy" gift.)
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
mindware is a great company to check out for books and games that are challenging, especially for kids who are puzzle-solvers
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]yes I just got catalog, tons of things. But at that age, they love playmobil. Go on their website, they have great prices and special items.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] POLL: Let's consider the pros and cons of having a family in different Manhattan Neig... 116 replies
- Bush NCLB, that means reduced funding for low performing schools. So PS 75 draws from an UMC neighborhood (see Riverside & West End), but because of the high % of projects kids, has LOWER test scores, less parent involvement and less political clout in the DOE. We send our kid to a private BECAUSE of that reason....
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POLL: Let's consider the pros and cons of having a family in different Manhattan Neighborhoods.
116 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.19.09, 08:19 AM [ Flag ]UWS (below 110 & Above 72)
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Pro: Riverside Park! Love being close to the river:)
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Two train line choices (C/D & 1/2/3) and Two BIG Parks!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]North of the 80s, the PSes are not great.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Pros: Central & Riverside Parks, Fairway/Citarella, Symphony Space, mostly decent/good public school options; Cons: ?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Cons: Spotty shopping north of 87th Street...But the new Whole Foods is great! Wish we had a Kmart or Target up here!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That would lower the value of the real estate
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]What would? Kmart? or "spotty shopping"?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Kmart/Target
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]There's a Kmart in the East Village and it doesn't seem to have driven the prices down in that area, I'd say...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]And that Kmart is usually pillaged!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
How is that different from BB&B, TJMaxx or Whole Foods? Kmart at Coopers Union/Astor definately helps that neighborhood.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: grew up in rural PA and Kmart was always the mean kids insult - "You shop at Kmart!" It does seem to have a more negative connotation than a lot of other stores, though I guess that's been replaced by Walmart now.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Not if you are around 110. It is great in that area.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no - i went to columbia. there's not a lot of fresh meat/fish up there i think...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ita. loooove the new whole foods.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
westside market has great produce on 110.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 05:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
not great restaurants, far from everywhere else
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Couldn't disagree more!!! An assortment of different restaurants--middle of the road, family/local and variety of ethic foods.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]but restaurant per capita sucks and variety doesn't come close to downtown nabes
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Totally agree, however, 80% of those downtown restaurants have no interest in your stroller-bound monster. I eat out frequently in the 70's and 80's and can count on 1 hand the number of restaurants where I have felt not welcome with my toddler. For date night, I can always grab a cab to Spice Market, or the Gansevoort, or etc. etc.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 01:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Pros: parks, museums, lots of "kid stuff" (haircut, clothes stores etc), preschool options. Con: restaurants suck.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:13 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]great parks, very kid friendly.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Central and West Village
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Con: Small/Few Parks for the amount of children! Bleeker Street and WSQ are always crowded.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]We love the trees on every street. But the sidewalks are very narrow for a double wide stroller!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Too many NYU kids! They are loud and rude.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]As compared to...?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:36 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]we're in the far west village and never see them.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Cons are transvestite hookers then!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not too many of those around these days
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]there are on my block. always a little scary to run out to starbucks at 6 a.m.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
pros: beautiful housing stock, low density (not many high-rises) great schools, great restaurants. cons: not many parks (though hudson river park is great), more tourists/students the closer to central village you get.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
East Village
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]SoHo/Tribeca
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Con: Too many tourists (SoHo) to go shopping...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Even families with $$$ attend public
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]This is a pro, right?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: it's a pro, but it's (generally) not true!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think at 234 it's fairly true. Publics for soho aren't really in soho but are more 41/3 (and I agree, that's significantly less true).
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
con; some nasty little brat euro-trash kids run around at the parks...but overall a great nabe
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Pro: Least crowded Whole Foods in the city (Tribeca).
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]tribeca - great transportation to anywhere in the city.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Have you ever been to Tribeca? Have you ever seen a bus there? 1/9 or bust!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Tribeca con: Hipsters left long ago. Replaced by hedge fund guys. there's not much to do south or there. Always heading north, unless BPC floats your boat.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]pro: pretty quiet, still know tons of people in the neighborhood. con: no decent doctors or synagogues down here.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
LES
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]welcoming, hip mommy friends--who use that term ironically.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Either small tight apartments or glass towers--nothing inbetween:(
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]disagree. signed mom in 1600 ft 3 bedroom in one of the brick coops
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Lucky you!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]playdate at my place!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you're probably right, although I happen to be in 1800 sq feet in a 7 unit/floor building
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]essex street?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
diversity -- race, occupation, religion, economic (btw, I consider that a pro)
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]cons: lack of subway lines/transportation; schools
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]cons: lack of good supermarkets, good korean delis
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]there is not a lack of bodegas. Supermarkets, I agree.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i live way east... no good bodegas. unless you count a place to get your lotto tickets as good. :(
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
pro: in addition to what others have said....lots of great restaurants/cafes/shopping con: I live on the LES, but might as well be in China. I'm having a difficult time living amongst the Fujianese. Dodging the spit, constant sound of hocking loogies, women being treated as second class citizens, lack of basic considerations....really making me crazy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and you didn't know any of this before you moved?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 06:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, snarky, I didn't. I lived 4 blocks north for 4 years. It's amazing the difference 4 blocks makes.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Smart people do their homework first.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
sounds like you are in chinatown, not les
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, I'm on the LES, but might as well be Chinatown.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:40 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]curious: what street? hester?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Canal and Orchard
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that is chinatown
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, that is not. I think I know where I live.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]that is dangerously close to chinatown!
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 08:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Murray Hill
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]we live across the street from st. vartans which is great. excellent public school. Convenient to all other areas
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]cons: lack of subway lines; annoying 22yr old crowd Thurs-Sat evening/nights
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yorkville
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Con: Long bus ride/walk to my dcs school!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Too far from the subway and central park
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Pros: John Jay and Carl Schurz parks. Tons of kiddie class options. Absolutely full of dc to play with. Lots of relatively affordable highrises, d/e bldgs with good playrooms. Convenient to shopping. Cons: walk to subway. let's hope this is solved in the next few years.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I doubt it. If they didn't push to resolve the transportation problem during boom years, they certainly are not going to push it to be completed now.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]heard they are specifically pushing to subway now to employ people. they are certainly making more obvious progress on 2nd than I've seen in the past 10 years.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]we'll see how long it lasts...sigh
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. I'll believe the 2nd Ave subway actually exists when I ride it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Carnegie Hill
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Quaint; good shopping/cafes; long ride to any theater venue.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The occational sighting of the "blue blood socialite" of years past with an outrageous hat and jewels. Makes me giggle just thinking about it!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]occasional? the neighborhood is crawling with blue-blood blondes in Barbour jackets, and men/boys wearing navy blazers with gold buttons, khakis, and loafers on the weekends. ugh.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA with the socialite thing, and grew up somewhere cheesy so I like people watching at Yura and seeing all the kids in uniforms. Pros: 92nd St Y and lots of parks, playground, museums, sports stuff (Asphalt Green, the park, etc.) for kids, quaint and not that crowded. Cons: PS198 and if you are under 70 the restaurants for date nights.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Lots of private school kids/hunter running around the neighborhood. Impossible to find good restaurants and too stuffy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]there are som v nice restaurants there.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]aside from Sfoglia, they're all over-priced and utterly mediocre, and there's a lack of decent take-out, too
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Pros: beautiful architecturally, clean, quiet, close to park, museums; Cons: socially vapid, almost no good restaurants or food shopping, boring as hell
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Pros: quiet, peaceful, calm and lovely environment. Can see the sky. Near to many schools and museums and Central Park - all easy walks. Close to public transportation - Lex subway, 86 and 96 crosstown buses, plus all the avenues and buses on Mad and Fifth that go east to west. Ever-changing foliage in park avenue medians - tulips, begonias, xmas trees. Good access to many churches and synagogues. Access to incredible resources at 92 Street Y.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]And cons: bad supermarkets (dirty and overpriced). Boring. Too homogeneous.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
South Street Seaport
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Pro: The Paris offers excellent daycare during the day.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The Paris....the cafe? offers daycare?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Cons: The Paris is an option for daycare.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Tourists:( The Peking :)
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
UES: con subway construction pro: lots of playgrounds, parks, families
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Con: Lots of Projects between amsterdamn and Columbus & 96th Street Station Construction.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Is living near projects really that big of a deal to people? I'm not trying to start trouble, I just honestly don't get why some people warn that there are projects nearby in certain areas like they're toxic waste plants or something. I'm not gonna lie and say I'd walk through them at night, but just their presence in the neighborhood? Subway station construction is annoying, with that I agree.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It isn't the safty issue (anymore), but rather the children who live here attend the local ps. Research has show the effect of social class and parent involvement on general school test score...Under Obama/Bush NCLB, that means reduced funding for low performing schools. So PS 75 draws from an UMC neighborhood (see Riverside & West End), but because of the high % of projects kids, has LOWER test scores, less parent involvement and less political clout in the DOE. We send our kid to a private BECAUSE of that reason.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]How charming. At least you're honest!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
yes, projects ARE a big deal. I wouldnt walk thru them at night, nor would i want my kids riding bikes down those streets. or walking down those streets. or being exposed to waht goes on. sorry, but yes, it IS a big deal. if u are paying thru the roof for real estate (millions), you want nice neighbors who are on the same page as u.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Perhaps you should move to Mayberry, then...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Then seriously, you cannot live in most of NYC, which can be block to block, even in the "nicest" neighborhoods. I live on CPW, and there are city housing projects within 2 blocks of my apartment. If you want everyone your DCs sees to look like you, I know some lovely suburbs you should be looking at.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Sorry. Above is for UWS.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
South Harlem (below 125th, west of 5th): pros= large apts & brownstones, 3 awesome parks (central, morningside, mt.Morris), fairway & citarella. every kind of diversity, close to A,B,C,D,1,2,3. Cons= weak schools, weak retail.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Park Slope
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 10:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Pros: incredibly kid-centric, beautiful brownstone architecture, convenient to Manhattan. Cons: such a cliche!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 11:15 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]convenient to manhattan? not really. cons: too long a commute, schools are too crowded, overpriced. one pro you overlooked: prospect park.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]If you work downtown, Park Slope is as "close" as UES or UWS.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]not really. if you take the express from w. 72nd to wall st. you're there in ten minutes. the 2/3 from gap won't do the same. and forget the f or the d train.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Other parts of Brooklyn not an option (Brooklyn Hts, Cobble Hill, etc)?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 01:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Stuy Town / Peter Cooper Village
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Lots of kids and families, elevator, tons of outdoor space and play grounds.. but kind of secluded even though its in the city it feels like a city of its own.. a little weird maybe?
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Is UNIS anti-semetic? Has anyone heard that? 26 replies
- What are you talking about? Of course progressivism is a political philosophy - went on UNIS visit last week- wow! I didn't really know anything about it before but what an amazing atmosphere. Talk about true diversity and respect for different beliefs and values....
Talk : : November 18, 2009
Is UNIS anti-semetic? Has anyone heard that?
26 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.18.09, 08:07 PM [ Flag ]Oh please.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you know any jews there?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]the only family I know with kids there is Jewish.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]do they like the school?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]have had 3 kids there, and all have been happy as far as I know.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: went on UNIS visit last week- wow! I didn't really know anything about it before but what an amazing atmosphere. Talk about true diversity and respect for different beliefs and values.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I don't think the school is anti semitic. I think they have a broader international student body and many UN families, many of whom do not support all of Israel's actions or policies. I do not think people are vocal about this though.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:12 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh. I see. that makes sense. I guess a progressive/liberal type school would be the same way then
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Do you think progressives are anti-semitic?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:57 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]do you mean progressive or liberal? one is an educational philosophy, the other is social/political. in the US, liberal does not have usually have much to do with your feelings on Israel, but in most of the rest of the world, being liberal generally includes being pro-Palestine, if that counts as anti-semitic. -np
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]What are you talking about? Of course progressivism is a political philosophy - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
No school in NYC is as anti-semitic as you are anti-Palestinian.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]the school isn't anti semitic, many jewish people are anti-unistic.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]not at all, but you will find that most families views reflect the diversity of world. people are not uniformly pro-israel, as you might find in many schools with predominantly US families. most of the world IS critical of the settlements and other other israeli anti-palestinian policies...many israelies are critical of these policies! that is not at all the same as being anti-semitic.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Word.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]thank you for pointing that out--should be obvious, but it isn't...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:35 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
you mean because the DOA calls certain students..'little jew-bies'??
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Are you serious?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]stop spreading stupid lies!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]it was obviously sarcastic.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 09:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i should preface this by saying, i was not born jewish. based on some of the answers here and in my experience "liberal" or "progressive" does not mean an adherent of equal rights or a non-racist viewpoint. sadly, after several trips to isreal, i realized my "liberal" education and knowledge gleaned from the "news" media had not provided me with the facts of the isreal/palestinian situation. isreal is not "anti-palestinian", in fact, they consistently make their citizens suffer in efforts to make concessions to the palestinians. while some who life in isreal are indigenous, isrealis and palestinians are both refugees most of arab lands. though in recent years, isreal has absorbed a tremendous amount of russian immigrants. most isrealis are sympathetic to the palestinian's plight, unlike the refugees who settled isreal, they have not been successful. the real question is "who is to blame"? after much of my own research and discussions with isrealis and palestinians, i blame the arab council and the UN's racist policies. the UN and europe consistently paint the palestinians as victims because of their racist perception of the palestinians as the "noble savages" incapable of diplomatic engagement. the isrealis, on the other hand, view the palestinians as quite intelligent, capable and their equals. this does not prevent them from provided the palestinians in gaza with millions in aid and support, even while those same palestinians are bombing their citizens daily, but it does mean that the isrealis believe the palestinians are capable of a more peaceful approach to relations. the UN, europe and the arab council have an agenda for continuing to prove and paint the palestinians as victims. the irony is that it was the kind of jordan who exiled the palestinians, not isreal. as for the UN. they do not promote equal rights or opportunity and having had the misfortune of seeing them in action i don't think believe they are anymore friends to the muslims than the jews.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]its UB not your college term paper--save it for the op-ed page
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]hm. so rude attacks, snarky comments and racist remarks only? for some of us, there is a middle road and that requires conversation and analysis.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]while i agree, be concise you had one simple thought--a good and valid one but too many words
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
no offense, but israelis are hardly refugees. transplants, more like.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't know where to begin disagreeing with the manifest ignorance of this post. I will make two suggestions: (1) Israel is spelled "Israel" and (2) read this article and think really, really hard about it: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20091116_the_new_state_solution/
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Ok, so the PSD is supposed to be in communication with DOAs come January. Do all sch... 16 replies
- np: Yes, it's basically a polite no. I don't think they ever say a flat-out no....
Talk : : November 18, 2009
Ok, so the PSD is supposed to be in communication with DOAs come January. Do all schools give feedback to PSD or just the ones that are interested in your dc? So can you safely say that the schools that do not communicate with PSD are either not at all interested in your dc or they just don't give feedback regardless? Does any school tell PSD that they are not interested? Conversely, if your PSD reaches out and goes to bat for you, if the school is not interested in dc, do they let PSD know?
16 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.18.09, 04:43 PM [ Flag ]Plenty of schools give "no" type feedback. Our fc wanted dc, so we didn't really work down our whole list, but psd said "they liked dc, but too many sibs" about the schools that were saying no. Suspect that's a common line;)
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]when/how did u know fc wanted dc?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]psd said in the fall they'd likely take dc. Got "yes" feedback last week of Jan (at second meeting with psd).
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]they would likely take dc based on what? was it psd's hunch bc dc had high erb/family history or did she have insider info?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]High erb and personality type (psd's been doing this a long time). No connections or "insider info" (whatever that would be).
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]so is the "we like dc but too many sibs" just a nice let down? i mean, your fc could have easily had too many sibs as well
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]It means they had too many sibs OR they were eh about dc OR psd already knew fc would take kid, so didn't even ask.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: Yes, it's basically a polite no. I don't think they ever say a flat-out no.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]someone must get a flat out rejection...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:10 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
watching this post. anyone with insight, please respond!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]it's all over the map. We had strong feedback from fc in Dec, as well as a "too many sibs this year" from another in our top 3. Once we had strong feedback from our fc though, psd didn't tell us too much about the other schools. Seemed like she was getting generally positive feedback, but don't really know. Dc got one rejection from a school that does not give feedback.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think this is that standard "negative" feedback given to families with dcs who are strong candidates.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what do you mean?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you mean "we like but too many sibs" is the easy letdown meaning good, but no cigar?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
December seems early for that positive feedback - you're lucky to have had it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Some schools give feedback, but some don't. Collegiate supposedly gives no feedback, and there are others like this. The girl's schools, fwiw, usually give some feedback. However, feedback is just feedback and can sometimes change at the last minute, usually a yes turning to a wait list if they have to make room for someone else or the application gets vetoed in committee. The good news, however, is that sometimes those cases are the ones that do get in off the waitlist.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Has anyone seen Billy Elliot? My MIL got tickets for my 5 yo dd and I am concerned th... 3 replies
- Of course, the best thing, if you could find a polite way to do it, would be to use the tickets for you and your dh and then take dd to Wicked or something. That depends on you MIL, though!...
Talk : : November 18, 2009
Has anyone seen Billy Elliot? My MIL got tickets for my 5 yo dd and I am concerned that it isn't appropriate. That being said, they were probably quite expensive and I don't want to disappoint her. Is there anything that someone might find really objectionable for a small child? Thanks.
3 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.18.09, 03:25 PM [ Flag ]The show is fantastic and well worth seeing at any price. My 12 yo dd absolutely loved it, but I don't think I would take a 5 yo. It's not so much that it isn't "appropriate"--there is a lot of very strong language, but the accents themselves are so strong that your dd isn't likely to catch the words. I would just think that it's a bit mature for 5 and she might be either totally lost or bored. Lots of union and police violence, some jokes about Billy's cross-dressing friend, etc. Also, the others in the audience will have paid a lot for their tickets and may not have the same tolerance of a restless child that you would find at Mary Poppins or The Lion King. It all depends on your dd, though!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 03:44 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA -- I think most things and languge would go over young dcs' heads. The dancing is really amazing, but the show is probably better for 9 and up.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 03:49 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Of course, the best thing, if you could find a polite way to do it, would be to use the tickets for you and your dh and then take dd to Wicked or something. That depends on you MIL, though!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 03:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] I really, really despise my MIL. I have tried and tried to get along, to find somethi... 20 replies
- don't you think there's a difference between liking someone and getting along? As long as you can be polite and respectful to her (and assuming you get the same in return) what is the big deal?...
- opinions in her infant/teacher coo-coo voice. gawd i hate her. but like the previous posters said, we just have to be polite and rise above the little things. i just thank my stars we only see her once a year....
Talk : : November 18, 2009
I really, really despise my MIL. I have tried and tried to get along, to find something I like about her, but I can't. Just venting.
20 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.18.09, 11:07 AM [ Flag ]hello? did i write this? i don't remember posting, but this sure does sound like me.....
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]me too! though, things have gotten better recently but it's always a crapshoot, never know from one day to the next how it's going to be with her
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
don't you think there's a difference between liking someone and getting along? As long as you can be polite and respectful to her (and assuming you get the same in return) what is the big deal?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL. I can relate. MIL is okay and I recognize she has some nice qualities (does not poke her nose in our business) but she irritates me like no other. And to top it all off I have a Step MIL too and she is about as white trash as you can get. I despise even exposing my children to her. It is awful.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you should meet mine...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]YOU will be a MIL someday, hopefully. What should a "good MIL" do?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]mine had our photographer photoshop my grandmother out of one of our wedding photos while we were on honeymoon- before we had even had a chance to go through them~!! she is a passive aggressive witch and totally patronizing.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:31 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]sweet jesus. what did she explain herself?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]nope, she never said a word. we only know because our photographer had the presence of mind to ask us before he did it. evidently she had cornered him during the wedding and asked him to send her the links to our photos since we were "going to be away". she likes to tell me DH's preferences even though we've been married 3 years - and his response is usually, "mom, i mac and cheese haven't been my favorite since 3rd grade"
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]she sounds like a real cunt. sorry she's your MIL.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol, it's ok. but it is one of the reasons i'm reluctant to have children anytime soon. i can't imagine her more involved in our lives.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]does she know that you despise her?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 12:07 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]i haven't said anything but i suspect she knows i dislike her. i think it happens a lot to her, DH says she never had friends while he was growing up and her SILs seem to just put up with her. She's not overtly rude or mean, her know it all ways and obliviousness of boundaries just make her unbearable
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 02:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
^^ i apologize to teachers, but i think because she taught 2nd grade she thinks everyone needs her help and opinions in her infant/teacher coo-coo voice. gawd i hate her. but like the previous posters said, we just have to be polite and rise above the little things. i just thank my stars we only see her once a year.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I feel like this about my wife's MIL.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]your mom?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]yup. But I love my MIL if that counts.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 02:51 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]how unusual. You are lucky. sort of... not really. sucks to feel that way about your mom.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 03:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Mine hasnt seen my dc's in over 3 mos and she lives 3 blocks away. Says she doesn't believe in the "concept" of being a grandmother. I hate her.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 03:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sounds nice to me. A MIL that likes to stay away.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 03:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Why do people feel like they can ask me when I'm planning on having another baby (whi... 18 replies
- politics, religion, SAHM vs WOHM, where you live, what you do...
Talk : : November 18, 2009
Why do people feel like they can ask me when I'm planning on having another baby (which I am not)? WTF is wrong with them. How about minding your own business. Vent over.
18 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.18.09, 10:51 AM [ Flag ]yeah, I get asked that about #3 all the time. truth is, I don't know the answer and I feel really uncomfortable discussing it. but whatever. in the grand scheme of things it's low on my list of annoyances.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Oh Lord, you mean it doesn't stop after dc #2? What is wrong with people? Lol...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:05 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
My dd is 2.4 and I am unsure about another however, b/c I only have once child I get asked that all the time. I don't know when it became common to pop out 2-4 kids in a row with only a year or two difference between the ages. I can barely handle dd. Don't know how I would handle 4 kids all under the age of 8 - thanks but no thanks. I've got enough time to have more if I want but I don't want them all at one time. I just tell everyone that one is enough but dh is bugging for #2 b/c he didn't like being an only child.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:08 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^ one child
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
So some of us like to chat about something. So shoot us.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I agree - what the hell are they thinking - don't they know some of us CANNOT have another one. People are so clueless and insensitive.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i can't have another and people ask me all the time. it gets frustrating, like the years that people asked why i didn't have a child when i had medical problems that were preventing it. but sometimes people ask by habit or by honest curiosity about you. either way, i don't find the questions meanspirited or nosy in any way. but i do wish when i give the answer, that i can't because of my age or medical issues, people would regard this as an opening for a debate. they should just leave it at that.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR here who likes to ask. I had a lot of problems getting and staying pg. I think that is why I am extra interested about others. I do not remember being so curious before I struggled myself. I get asked questions all the time like whether I had IVF (I have twins) and I really do not mind because I know people are genuinely curious especially if they or someone close to them has struggled with infertility.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry, but you are really off. I think some people who struggle are like you and want to talk about it, but a lot of people who struggle do not want to be asked this question. I myself HATE being asked this question. It's no more intrusive than Why do I work instead of staying at home? How often do I have sex with my husband? How many months did it take us to conceive? All -- NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 12:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Then you should understand that people struggle with their infertility in different ways. I had repeated miscarriages and only two friends know about it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 12:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]That is fine. There is no need to tell anyone that you had miscarriages unless you want to. But why should the topic of how many children you want be off limits? I mean come on, there are only so many things to discuss and nearly every one of them can be taboo... politics, religion, SAHM vs WOHM, where you live, what you do... can be sore spots for some and not others. If you are not comfortable with the subject, change it. But don't take offense if someone asks you if you plan to have another child!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 12:43 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]To me it's deeply personal and nobody else's business. To me OP isn't offended but just frustrated that a sore topic keeps getting bought up. You don't seem sensitive to that, fine, glad we're not friends.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 12:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]In no way am not sensitive to her feelings! I relate to them. I had many miscarriages and was deathly afraid that I would never have a child. It pained me at work when coworkers would mingle and chat nonchalantly about when to have number two. All I am saying is that it is a completely normal topic and should not be considered off limits and that perhaps you could look at the whole topic in a different light.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:00 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]But thanks for being so nice and saying you are glad we are not friends.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Because I struggled with secondary infertility, I would NEVER ask anyone this question. I now realize exactly how intrusive it actually is. Before that, though, I was unaware. I tell my DH that he shouldn't ask it either, but he doesn't agree, doesn't see what the big deal is.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 12:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I get frustrated, too. People just shoot off at the mouth without thinking.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oddly enough, this doesn't bother me. i think it's kinda cute. i don't feel pressure about it even. (i have 1 dc.)
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]people ask me (on the street!) all the time if I am going to have a fourth. or they say "you're done, right?" why would I tell you?! lol.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:50 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] What changes has the current President made? He has been in office for a year now. 9 replies
- he's not delivering. i expected a president not a savior, so my expectations are a little lower and i'm a little less inclined to be disappointed. unfortunately though, as a pres, he's done alot of the same things that bush did that irritated and embarrassed me. so, far, not impressed, but not sure there's anybody in the political realm that can exhibit leadership necessary....
- um, this is politics not general topics....
Talk : : November 18, 2009
What changes has the current President made? He has been in office for a year now.
9 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.18.09, 10:30 AM [ Flag ]no he hasn't. Inaugurated in January. Just for the record.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Well, that makes all the difference. I'm sure there will be changes in the next two months.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
really? it's been a year by your count?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]If you're truly curious, you can check out a gov't website. If you're spoiling for a fight, look elsewhere.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. The righties can't decide whether he's been a useless do-nothing or whether he single-handedly ruined the country the moment he set foot in the White House.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yes, what changes, I want to know! In comparison, by this point in his presidency GWB was already wreaking lots of havoc....
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i felt both choices for pres weren't the right one. mccain was more centrist which was good, but then he picked palin..not so good. obama needed another term in my opinion to be a viable candidate and the way he treated hillary was abhorrent. i'm not a "rightie" or a "leftie" and don't really look at the world in terms of team sports :) obama promised things he really didn't even understand he could not deliver. and many of his supporters are enraged he's not delivering. i expected a president not a savior, so my expectations are a little lower and i'm a little less inclined to be disappointed. unfortunately though, as a pres, he's done alot of the same things that bush did that irritated and embarrassed me. so, far, not impressed, but not sure there's anybody in the political realm that can exhibit leadership necessary.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]um, this is politics not general topics.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Won a Nobel peace prize? Cash for clunkers?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:22 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Regardless of her spunk, ambition and dogged determination, how can a thinking, logic... 139 replies
- that there was nepotism involved or that there were company "politics" at play and somehow this person ended up in a...2012 candidate, sealing your fate as the biggest laughingstock political party on earth....
- ' launched Palin: Wasilla mayor was groomed from an early political age". Anchorage Daily News. she not the most...a senior senator with 30 years of experience in politics to be elected president....
Talk : : November 18, 2009
Regardless of her spunk, ambition and dogged determination, how can a thinking, logical person think Sarah Palin is qualified to be president..? Baffling.
139 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.18.09, 09:20 AM [ Flag ]like any other politician, Palin is entitled and misses the spotlight. This is her chance to get back in it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. This woman considered a question about 'which magazines and newspapers she reads' to be manipulative.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]What amazes me is that is an ok answer for some. "Ewww, the tricky Katie Couric asked me a surprise question I had no way of answering without preparing for it." In the middle of an interview to be the #2 political person in the country a heartbeat away from the red phone, "What is the cube root of twenty seven?" is a trick question. Not what do you read?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: people that think its acceptabel think that katie couric is part of the evil liberal media and that reading/ kniowledge/reality is overrated.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm surprised they don't go, "Wait, you were tricked by who?" I mean if it was Barbara Walters or Gwen Eifel (sp?) that would be one thing but Katie? c'mon. How are you going to negotiate with King Abdullah?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
or: well exactly. And isn't that telling? That she needs to "prepare" a response about what she reads? Because perhaps she doesn't read anything of real substance? Which speaks to how much she KNOWS about the world around her? Surreal all of it, really. I'm not running for president but could come up "the right" answer in a heartbeat.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I thought is was hilarious that she referred to Couric as "perky"--that woman could out-perky anybody...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
IF you agree with her, you mgith think she is qualified. there is a really strong anti-elite current in US political thought, and she is seen as a great example of that
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. I wouldn't hire Sarah Palin to be a showroom assistant, hanging up clothing that customers try on (I don't think she's smart enough to put everything back where it actually belongs), but I know that there are people out there that think well-educated, articulate people are scary and shouldn't be making decisions that impact "real people". I am not the smartest person out there, I don't have the best education, but I want people who are a lot smarter than I am making the decisions that I know I'm not capable of sorting through.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]op: I get anti elite - I really do. But I do not get anti, plain old qualified. Without an ounce of sarcasm, based on competence alone - I am more qualified. And I'm no Einstein.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: i think any one of us could do as good a job as that crazy eskimo.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. In America, anti-elite appears to mean anti-qualified or pro-moron. I hate politicians who wear their ignorance and incompetence as a badge of honor. Other than politics, where else in life do we take pride selecting the most unqualified person for the job?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 12:11 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Her resume is quite similar to what Barrack Obama's was before he was elected, with the minor difference that Sarah Palin had some executive experience, and he did not. I personally detest Sarah Palin, but the level of Orwellian doublethink that surrounds the issue of her qualifications vis-a-vis those of our sitting president astounds me.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Has she ever read the US Constitution? He taught law school classes on Constitutional Law. I think there is a substantial difference in their resumes, he actually a respectable one. Her's is a bad joke.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]A bad joke? You can't possibly even mean that. She was a mayor and a governor.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you can't possibly compare her education to Obama's. She went to 4 different colleges to end up with a degree in journalism and a goal to be a sports commentator on tv. She is a total lightweight.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:04 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]She's done pretty well for being such a dumb lightweight. Of course, Obama has vastly superior academic credentials, but I don't understand why you think Palin's executive experience is irrelevant, even so.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The "executive experience" you claim she has is laughable. She was the mayor of a small town, with no real authority (all major departments/infrastructure were handled at the county or state level - she had no authority over police or fire dep'ts). She couldn't handle the responsibility of being Governor of Alaska, so she quit.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:18 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Still better than zero. Also, I'm not sure where you get the idea that she could not handle the responsibility of being Governor of Alaska. Looks to me like she (correctly, if somewhat cynically) saw that she had the opportunity to become a national figure, and like many politicians have and would, left her state position when it no longer suited her ambitions.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think you are the one drinking some serious KoolAid. She's not a "national figure", she's a laughingstock, getting into a public shouting match with a teenager. If she wants to be taken seriously, she needs to start acting like it. Finishing the job that she was elected to do would have been a place to start, since she quit that job, she has to make up some ground - let her start publicly speaking on real policy issues to serious groups - Heritage, AIE. Until then, she's just a bad joke who couldn't handle the job she had.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP. Hold on. You seem to think SP's experience counts even if she wasn't very good and showed no interest in trying to improve. If she's a lousy mayor/governor, then her experience counts against her, not for her.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 12:15 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: Great point.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Mayor of a town smaller than most NYC suburbs and used it as her personal feifdom (zoning violations ignored so she could sell her house?). She was elected governor as a reaction to widespread corruption accusations against the incumbent and didn't last half her term. It took her 6+ years and at least 4 colleges to get a bachelor's degree from a 5th rate institution. Wow, she's impressive. If she really wants to build a resume, let her start speaking, on the record, to groups like the Council on Foreign Relations, even the Heritage Foundation would be a good place for her to start, and get out of the gutter war with her grandson's teenaged father. Right now, she looks like a publicity whore with no common sense, not a serious presidential candidate.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:10 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]A dean at a small college has more people they are responsible for than the mayor of Wasilla. And apparently the part time job of governor of Alaska was too much for her.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:16 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]And this is (1) more or (2) less executive responsibility/experience than Obama had before the Presidency? As I said, doublethink.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Your post exists in a vacuum. There are many people I loathe as ppoliticians, but they are qualified, regardless of my opinion of their views. Stop parcing a poor analogy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I disagree. Her post makes perfect sense. You just drank the Obama Kool aid so you are not thinking clearly.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:23 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Where did I post I voted for Obama?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]wow--Obama Kool-Aid!! That's such a funny and original comment. Do you have anything else witty and clever to contribute or would you care to post some photos of his forged fake birth certificate?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]tee hee
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
No one ever claimed that he had "executive experience" that you seem to think is all that is the only qualifying factor. His supporters understood that he was/is smart enough to understand his job and it's responsibilities. She, for all her "executive experience", is simply not smart or engaged or capable of understanding the ramifications of her decisions (hence, she quit the only serious job she's ever had because she didn't understand what she had signed on for and couldn't actually do the job).
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]But what Obama brought to the table was not Executive experience. I mean John McCain has none either. He never had a command position in the Navy. This is like arguing she should get it because she was the best baton twirler.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right, suggesting that being a state governor is relevant preparation for the presidency is like suggesting a baton twirler is.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So the job she quit because it was too much is what shows she is qualified?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Umm, what makes you think the job was too much for her? It seems pretty clear to me she dumped it to further her national aspirations. I'm no fan of hers, but that says "smart move" to me, not "dummy who couldn't handle being Governor."
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]How did quitting further her national aspirations?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You are almost unique in holding that position. Everyone I've heard, GOPer's included, think it was an idiotic and perplexing move.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: No, she's not even close to unique in that position. Many totally agree...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If she had "national aspirations" beyond her 15 minutes of fame she wouldn't be whining about not liking the photo on the cover of Newsweek or getting in the mud with her grandson's idiot of a father.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Is she not the most visible and discussed Republican political figure right now? Don't get me wrong, as a moderate conservative the Sarah Palinization of the GOP makes me weep and gnash my teeth -- you have no idea what it is like lol -- but to characterize her as anything other than a shrewd and capable self-promoter strikes me as inconsistent with the facts.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]But she's not being discussed in a good way. The focus has been on the soap opera of her life, not where the focus should be. If she has serious ideas, she needs to get them out - until then, she's just another media whore.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]do you think the majority of Americans view her favorably now? 2/3 Americans say "No." to her running for WH in 2012. 7/10 say she is unqualified. And those numbers are dropping.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't think anyone willing to publicly trade insults with Levi Johnson has much in the way of common sense. Media savvy, sure, but that should not be enough to be a viable candidate for president.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Again with the public insult comment. Do you only watch Olbermann, Maddow, and read the Times?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:17 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Where is she making serious policy statements? Is she talking to AEI? No, she's on Oprah and Twitter, trying to sell a book and inviting that kid to Thanksgiving dinner. She needs to climb out of the gutter and start talking policy before she can or should be taken seriously.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If Obama ever held a class officer position in high school or college, then Palin's experience in Alaska does represent LESS executive experience than he has. It doesn't sound like you have ever been there or lived there or know anyone in Alaska?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:17 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]"If"??? He was the Editor of the Harvard Law Review.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]And yet, no one has come forward that remembers anything he has done. We also haven't seen any of his work (thesis, etc...).
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:16 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Um, totally untrue. Google Lawrence Tribe, for just one example.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What the hell are you talking about? The strength of his HLR work got him a book deal before anybody knew his name.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Mayor of Walissa (sp?) is basically a popularity contest. Governor was that spunk and determination.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]How do you know that? From the liberal newsites. Levi Johnston...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]no, that would be common sense, since she's NOT QUALIFIED or impressive otherwise.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]She really scares you. Ha, Ha, Ha. I love to see a liberal bent out of shape.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]not scares... terrifies.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:36 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL--seriously, as a liberal I would LOVE to see you dopes put her up as your 2012 candidate, sealing your fate as the biggest laughingstock political party on earth.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think Obama will take that prize.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]um, I think that was the Nobel, not the Gibbering Idiot Prize that they're reserving for your party. Burrrrrrrrn!!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:00 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not Burn - he is a laughingstock for getting a Nobel Prize. It means nothing now!! What a joke, based on what they "hoped" he would do.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:19 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Please... that was the lamest response yet. The Nobel is now a joke thanks to that moron. Let's give him the Nobel before he does anything! That should be your idiot prize.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]jeeaaaaaaaloooouuuusssss!!!!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:35 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]????
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm really sorry that none of your Presidents have been especially popular outside the U.S. but you really shouldn't be so bitter
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]What are you, nine?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: Did you not read about the battle within Wasilla that got her the nomination over the long time mayor? They were both life long Republicans she sicked her church on him... it sounded like Senior Class President at Dysfunction High.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]What liberal rag did you read this in? Vanity Fair would be my guess.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:41 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I looked it up for you. Anchorage Daily News. "'Fresh face' launched Palin: Wasilla mayor was groomed from an early political age". Anchorage Daily News. http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/background/story/510447.html
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:51 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]^^^ It has been four hours. Did you get through that article yet?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
As opposed to all those other elections that are not popularity contests....
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I can't stand her but I don't think her resume is the problem, being a governor is good enough (worked for reagan)
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Different states have different types of governments and make very different demands on their governors. California has a very active, demanding, executive office. Alaska (like Texas) does not. This was as true when Ann Richards was governor as it was when GWB was.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Could answer. You managed to insult Palin and Bush at the same time.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Like how I did that?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I hate liberals - you can't get past Bush. Let it go, already - sheesh.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Hey dopey, I gave California credit for having a demanding executive -- aka Reagan. GHWBush had no experience as governor. Texas for GWBush. See, I went back for all the R presidents over my life time. (And I'm not a liberal. If I was I wouldn't have bad mouthed Ann Richards. They love her -- although God knows why.)
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:21 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
If Obama had ever read the Constitution he would know there is nothing in the Constitution that permits him to do most of what he has done (and wants to do) as President. Obama has more contempt for the constitution than any President in my lifetime.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:56 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]If you want people to flame you for being an idiot why not post that breast feeding sucks or being a SAHM is for suckers like all the other masochists?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:09 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
executive experience, in this case, is a red herring. McCain ddn't have any. and obama had more private sector experience thatn either mccain or palin. but if you want to make obama look unqualified, you drag this argument out.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]So black and White. Obama had lots of experience and the Republicans had none. What did Obama do exactly? I know he wrote a couple of books? Sounds like that is about it. But, all that shows is that he has a huge ego.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]You're really saying that executive experience is a red herring? Bizarre. BTW, I'm not attempting to make Obama look bad: I think Obama won the election because he was both a better candidate and a better campaigner than John McCain. The point is that, viewed objectively, Obama's and Palin's experience are sufficiently equivalent that it is irrational to view her as grossly unqualified while treating Obama as qualified. FWIW, I voted for Obama, but the endless and unfair Palin-bashing is most unreasonable.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: Only if you think the only experience which counts is experience as the executive in the public sector. Why is this so hard a point to get?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:56 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i'm saying in thsi context it is. republicans decided aht "executive experience" was the standard after they picked Palin. McCain had no executive experince
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:59 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Nor did Bob Dole, GHWBush had some as an oil man, Ford none.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
"private sector" ??? You must be joking. Obama never did anything in the private sector. Every job he ever had was a government or government funded job of some sort. Nothing "private" about any of them.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:53 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Same for Nixon, Ford, McCain, Bob Dole, Clinton, Carter (for the most part)... By this logic we should elect whom? I have it Bloomberg-Corzine 2012!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]PP: Right. I didn't say "private sector" experience is a qualification for the Presidency or any other office, because if it were the list of "qualified" people would be very small. I was just objecting to anyone saying Obama had private sector experience when he has not.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:55 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]And I would vote for them
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:03 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
um, he and Michelle met while working for the same private law firm. When has John McCain ever worked in the private sector? Gov't salary from birth to earth.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:31 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
np: I see it like this - sometimes you interview someone inexperienced in the actual job and hire them anyway because their education/degrees, life experience, other job experience, other credentials and intelligence lead you to believe that they will be very good at that job. Then you meet other people, whose resume seems to suggest that they have relevant experience at the job and yet based on their education/degrees and your dealings with them, you truly wonder how they ever got the job. Oftentimes you find out that the job was not really what it appeared to be, or that there was nepotism involved or that there were company "politics" at play and somehow this person ended up in a place far beyond their abilities.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]their experience was about the same level. his education is superior, but there are lots of qualified intelligent people who don't have access to that level of academia. palin is probably not one of them, but i am completely offended as a woman by the sexist jabs at her by her detractors. between how the dems treated hillary and palin, they have lost my respect.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Intelligent people, of either gender, don't consider "what newspapers do you read" to be a trick question or one that needs prep. My grandmother, who never graduated from high school, could have answered that question without stumbling over it (and had a real answer - the Miami Herald). Palin couldn't answer it and didn't (and still hasn't). I don't think that showing Palin as she really is, inarticulate and willfully ignorant, is unfair or sexist.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I think her point was the mainstream media was just looking to find something wrong with her. She was trying to guard her words. Honestly, you should get passed the fact that you don't like Republicans and look at it in a fair light. She knew she was walking into a lion's den and her handlers were keeping a muzzle on her. I think she deserves a pass. Both parties have candidates that say stupid things all the time. Biden for one, Gore with the internet, Bush, etc...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:27 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, that was her explanation after the fact for why she flubbed the question. It's not that I don't like Republicans, I've voted for Republicans, I just don't like her. There were at least 3 other Republican women who should have been on that ticket before her - Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Olympia Snow and Susan Collins would all have been much better choices. If Palin couldn't handle a real softball from Katie Couric without being caught off guard, how would she be with Vladimir Putin?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]But see this is what kills me, Gore never said he invented the internet. "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system." A. Gore But you repeat a lie enough and the dopes out in the hinterland who won't bother to read and figure things out for themselves will buy it hook line and sinker.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:23 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]what words could she have possibly been trying to guard in reply to that question? "oooh Katie, I read the Star every time I'm at the supermarket buying moose chops!" It's not like a complex policy question.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:29 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What I don't get is that she keeps getting a pass on being so poorly qualified. Bobby Jindal is smarter than she is, and usually better prepared/more articulate but when he did so poorly on the Republican response to an Obama address to Congress he faded into the woodwork. She keeps inserting her foot into her mouth, gets called on it, responds "you're being sexist", and keeps going. Pointing out her absolute lack of education and non-existant intellectual curiosity isn't sexist.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:08 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL--I forgot about his "Kenneth the Page" speech...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:37 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Written like someone who has never set foot in Alaska, much less Wasilla! A top high school student with one government class under their belt could have run circles around her in being a mayor of her tiny hamlet, or governor of Alaska.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITTTTTA
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:57 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
What makes a community activist qualified to be President? What about an actor or a peanut farmer?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:20 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The others were intelligent people, with grasp and critical thinking skills.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yeah, because I'm sure he made Pres. of Harvard Law Review or taught constitutional law at UChi for twelve years without either intelligence OR critical thinking skills. Do you know what a total asshat you sound like when you write stuff like this?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]no. one of them has good PEOPLE skills and is a wonderful prolific speaker. the peanut farmer, I am still scratching my head about that one... I guess other than party affiliation they can both pride themselves in the fact that they are both nobel laureates?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:11 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer in the Navy. He was no hayseed. He also was a non-Washington person in the post Nixon era.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and he lasted only 4 years. people were disenchanted with nixon, fine. Sorry, I was half kidding with my comments. I am (obviously) no huge carter fan, but the truth is he is a very intelligent guy. not much street smarts though IMVHO which I think is a large part of why he was a 1 term president. my point was more that you dont have to be a senior senator with 30 years of experience in politics to be elected president.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:07 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]gotcha. I think there was some really dirty shit that hurt him (Iran/Contra type stuff between RR and the mullahs) and of course the gas thing. But his ultimate demise was that he was too much executive type and not enough legislator/politician.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 04:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
More qualified that Obama, easily. She actually ran a state while he was just 1 of 100 senators (and he rarely voted, instead voting "present" on hard issues). I don't want her to be president, for my own reasons, but she is definitely "qualified".
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The basic issue is that the people decided in 2008 that they did not want "qualified". McCain was far and away the most qualified of the 4, with Biden clearly in second place. McCain realized his qualifications were a liability and chose her in an attempt to dilute his qualifications. But in the end, and unqualified President trumped an unqualified Vice President in the eyes of the people. Now, a year later we are just starting to see the result of that choice, and just starting to realize it might have been a mistake.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:02 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]thank you. 100% on target. but hard to say things like this on the liberal dominated UB.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]um yeah--his "qualifications" were a liability? How about that he had foolishly sold out his "maverick" positions to kowtow to GWB, turned his back on his own bipartisan immigration bill, and suddenly seemed--in contrast to 2000--older, weaker, less decisive? In an attempt to reassure the right he lurched and stumbled--couldn't decide how to handle the financial crisis, and then yes--picked the MILF from Alaska instead of Pawlenty or some other serious contender. Foolish, foolish, foolish. And seriously--I'd just love to hear what you think he'd have done differently to solve the financial crisis since he certainly couldn't articulate it thirteen months ago.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Baffles me too. Why oh why did McCain have to choose her as a running mate. Death sentence.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:02 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I hate spunk.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:03 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]LOL.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 11:19 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I'm not sure how relevant "executive experience" is. It seems very important to American voters, but I wonder about it. I'm not American, but it appears that the most important aspect of being President is being able to get Congress to pass the bills you want, as painlessly as you can. Doesn't someone with experience in Congress have a higher chance of getting that right? I mean, even if you've run a city, or a state, the issues you'll be dealing with as a head of a country are entirely different.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The problem is that as a governor, for the most part, you don't have to take stands which piss off half the people. As a Senator, you have to vote on gun control/immigration/funding bills/stimulus packages/etc. so there is all this history behind you. (I'm not saying this is ACTUALLY bad, just that this is one of the reasons political scientists/talking heads often give for why so many more modern presidents have been governors than legislators.)
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:48 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]The U.S. President is in charge of the federal executive branch -- probably the largest organization in the country, not even counting active duty military as employees -- and most of the day-to-day is managing the demands of that. It is an overwhelmingly huge responsibility. I would imagine that much of the actual work is quite similar -- although more complex and stressful due to the higher stakes, larger scale, and lower degree of control over the organization -- to being the CEO of a big multinational corporation like GE or IBM. Obviously legislative affairs is a larger proportion of the President's work than it would be in a private organization, and Obama's health care priorities throw that into more focus, but managing the executive branch is a mind-boggling responsibility.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:52 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]branch is a gigantic task.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 01:54 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]np: Is it your POV that the POTUS spends some significant percentage of his time "managing" the Federal Government? If so, what do you mean by "managing"?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 02:01 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]obviously he has to order all the notepads adn schedule everyone's vacation.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 02:09 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Right, and fill out the TPS reports, don't forget that. Are you seriously saying that there are not enough important policy decisions that are elevated to the President for consideration that it does not fill up a bunch of his time?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 02:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]and keeping track of paid time off for 1,800,000 employees. (Thank God for the postmaster general! Throw in the USPS and even Obama would be in over his head.)
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 02:26 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
She winks a lot and tries to be witty. But after that I really don't think she is very qualified. President Obama is a very intelligent person who can think on his feet. I can not say the same about Palin.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:39 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Really? I notice without a teleprompter he kinda sucks. "Uh, uh, uh,...."
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 04:42 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: that is just dumb. Have you never seen him in a debate/press conference? Did you see him on O'Reilly Factor? Granted, O'Reilly is a left wing liberal douche so they probably reviewed all the questions ahead of time...
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:58 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]lol! O' Reilly--"The Manchurian Talk Show Host."
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 07:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Because some people vote with their "guts" and not with their head. It's about who they would share a beer with and pall around with. Voting for the smarter more capable candidate is an admission that the voter is not all that bright and no one wants to feel bad about themselves right? Palin makes peoe feel tough and cool because she can shoot a moose. It's the whole cowboy mystique. Plus, having a degree or an office job does not necessarily make one intelligent.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I like Palin's values and I know other people who do as well. I don't think she is qualified so it would be hard to vote for her in 2012. It's interesting to me how one's intelligence is measured on how well they can deliver a speech and how cleverly they might come up with an answer, oh and being attractive doesn't hurt (ie. Clinton, Obama) One thing to keep in mind though is people are willing to look past this. The jokes about Bush being dumb were relentless and he was elected twice. My vote included.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:05 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]oh, and Palin isn't attractive? Snort. All of those GOP nerdlings were acting like eighth grade boys. As to intelligence--does that really not matter to you? And no, not just "cleverly" answering a question, but intellectual depth, understanding, curiosity...that's not important to you? Just the "values" of someone who seems to be fundamentally dishonest, ruthless, disloyal...? And btw, you still feel good about voting for Bush--really?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 05:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]I guess Palin is attractive, that hair just bothers me. Unfortunately voting for me has come down to choosing the lesser of 2 evils, which is what I did when Bush was running. In the last election I wasn't happy with either candidate so I didn't vote for either. Of course intelligence matters, my point was how is seems to be determined by the masses. As for dishonest, ruthless and disloyal I'm not sure what your referring too.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 06:04 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Maybe you should ask anyone in the McCain camp what I'm referring to. I think the woman is pathological.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:28 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
people think she is qualified because she is, sadly, still smarter than about 75% of the US population
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 06:13 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Isn't it amazing what 40 years of "dumbing down" of the public education system in the US has done? We used to rank near the top world-wide, and where are we now?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:06 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sadly, with people like you.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, this is really disturbing. Take a look at any top college, and a large fraction of the students are of Asian decent. I worry where we will be in another 40 years.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I said the same thing about one junior senator from chicago. still saying it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Amen!
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
People believed Obama was qualified...baffling.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 07:55 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why is this thread still alive? We all know that Sarah Palin in nowhere near qualified to be pres.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]No, but she made a darn good cheerleader.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 08:34 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
[+] Sarah Palin's son, Trig, was one of the "hot topics" on The View today. Barbara Walt... 83 replies
- incerased poverty have way more to do with it than the political convictions-...
- . they would. they don't get that it's a political viewpoint: being prolife means that you think that NO WOMAN...that is EXACTLY what I am saying. pro-choice is a political stance meaning that you believe women should ahve the right...is so "suspect" is because you don't like her politics so you go after amniotic fluid....
Talk : : November 18, 2009
Sarah Palin's son, Trig, was one of the "hot topics" on The View today. Barbara Walters read a statistic that 90% of fetuses found to have down syndrome are terminated. Last poll I read said something like the split between pro-life/pro-choice in the US is close to 50/50, so I don't see, mathematically, how it can be that 90% of ds pregnancies are terminated.
83 replies [ Reply | Watch | Options ]11.18.09, 08:20 AM [ Flag ]I think it is probably bc many people are pro-life until they are faced with having to raise a DS child.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:21 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Or that pro-choice people have a disproportionate number of DS pregnancies. Maybe it has something to do with age--women who wait to get married and have children in order to build their careers are statistically more likely to be pro-choice. Then they are older when they get pregnant so DS is more likely.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]NP: Just a hunch, but I would guess what you say may be more true for NYC, where many women wait to have children... but for the country as a whole, I would guess more pro-lifers tend to have babies with down syndrome, because many don't believe in birth control and thus continue to have children into their forties. In our Catholic church there were many babies with downs-syndrome (usually the youngest in the family). I imagine that not every woman feels she can handle that at forty with many other children to care for as well (pro-life or not).
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:54 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
ITA. You don't really know what you believe until you are tested.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:26 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I don't agree entirely. I opted at 40 not to have a cvs or amnio because I knew that whatever I learned wouldn't change anything, I was going to have that baby anyway. Some of us know what we believe on this subject without being tested.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:32 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]And others think they do until they're faced with a frightening reality.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Yes, but as someone pointed out below if you know you won't terminate there's no point in getting the testing done. By opting out of the tests I was making a descision to have my child regardless of the number of chromosones he had.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not true. There is a point to getting testing, even if you will not terminate under any circumstances. If you do have a DB that will have a problem, then you have the time/ability to prepare for what's coming. Arranging for necessary specialists, arranging leaves/benefits, preparing older DCs, etc.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]And those are the 10% who found out dc had Down's and didn't abort. For many of us, the risk of the procedure causing harm outweigh any benefit of lining up specialists.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:30 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The risk of the procedure varies by doctor. If you don't trust your doctor to properly perform an amnio, find a new doctor.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Why is it not OK in your book for someone to elect to not have the procedure? You are being very anti-choice.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:39 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
yup. I think this is the ans. dead on.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]It's "anti-abortion," not "pro-life." Let's stop playing into the hands of the Christian Right by using their terminology. I am pro-choice. I am not anti-life.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:40 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OP here - I used old-school terms, sorry. The Christian Right also refer to pro-choice as "pro-abortion," didn't want to offend anyone, just to get some speculation on the numbers.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]or: sorry, didn't mean to call you out. i just hate that we have all adopted these terms without thinking about what they imply. it is my mission in life to reframe the terms to something more accurate that doesn't feed into the crazy christian right agenda.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
your semantics make no sense. You are "pro-choice", not "anti-life" but those who are "pro-life" are "anti-abortion", you sound like an idiot... be consistent.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:41 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I read an article about pro-life women who have abortions. It happens
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:22 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]well, you don't know howthat 50/50 split is skewed by gender or age. and yes, people who say they are pro-life have abortions.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The great irony is that the traditional "red" states have (1) higher divorce rates, (2) higher # of abortions and (3) higher % of poverty... People don't do what they "believe"--they are better at telling other people what to do...
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:24 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]do you think those red states have no blue in them? that doesn't really make any statistical sense--
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:28 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]residents of red states, on average, tend to be less eductaed, poorer, less white- this contributes to higher rates of all that you suggest above. The education levels and incerased poverty have way more to do with it than the political convictions-
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]i thought poor are more likely to have baby, whereas wealthy are more likely to have abortion?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]actually, lots of poor women have multiple abortions- lack of access to health care and bad choices lead to lack of birth control, so they use abortion as a form of birth control- also teenagers pregnant more in poorer areas (and places where sex education is weak- hello red states!) and they get abortions-
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:59 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
what a tragically black and white way to look at the world. do you teach your child that the people in "red states" are ignorant, right wingers? how sad.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 10:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]red states have higher teen pregnancy rates as well. read "red sex, blue sex," in the new yorker, from a year ago.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 12:47 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I wonder what the ages of the moms who terminate are vs those who don't. IME its easier to be pro-life, or see any issue in black and while with no shades of grey, when you're young. As we get older, wiser, and have more life experiences to draw from most issues enter the grey area.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I never claimed to know what others could/should do but I always said I would never opt for termination of my child. Then quad screen said 1:4 for Trisomy 18/21 and I did research on what T18/21 is. And I thought about the two kids we already had. And the world got very very gray.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:29 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Wow. This is really interesting. I had a baby not long ago and wondered what I'd have done in that situation. And?
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:37 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Sorry, I should not have dropped it there -- I got pulled away. When they hooked up the ultrasound to do the amnio there was no heart beat. Decision averted. Fate's kindness has never hurt so much.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:45 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]OR: Jesus. I am so sorry. But you're right: the Fates had something else planned maybe.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:47 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Thanks. I'm at peace with it for the most part but when his/her due date passes it is tough.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:12 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
because a) many people who are pro-life don't have an amnio b/c they know they wouldn't abort no matter what the test shows and b) some people consider themselves pro-life but still make exceptions so in a poll they would answer that they are pro-choice, but what they really mean is that abortion isn't a form of birth control.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:33 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]The pro-lifers I know believe that amnio is unnecessary and dangerous.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:43 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]for them it is....
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:46 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yes, I think I have heard that some pro-lifers will not have an amnio because they feel it implies that they MIGHT abort.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:34 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I am prolife and I choose not to have an amnio. Not because of what it might imply to anyone. I choose not to because of the potential risk of amnio. I know many prolife people and having an amnio or not is just a matter of what they feel comfortable with. Some people just need to know. Just like some people just need to know the sex of the baby.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:30 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
I agree with poster who says pro-lifers probabyl don't ahev an amnio, I'd be curious to really know if the stat is 90% of DS pregnancies, or 90% of pregnancies where the mother tests and finds out the baby has DS- we're talking very different populations here!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:42 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I'm pro life and did not have an amino. I did not want to be in the position of having to make an decision. It all worked out and my children are healthy. BTW, most people thought I was crazy for not having test before babies born.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]I choose not to have any tests and no one except my dr. has ever asked me anything at all about it. Do people really get into other peoples personal decisions like that?
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 06:32 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Palin's behavior after she went into labor with Trig was so completely bizarre and showed such indifference to the health and well-being of her child that I can't help wondering whether she did not want him to live.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:48 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]please elaborate!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:49 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]ITA. She was leaking fluid and decided to go give a speech!
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:50 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Not only give a speech--fly home from Texas to Alaska!! http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/palins-medica-2.html
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:01 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]That's a crazy article - I can't believe she had the amnio to supposedly prepare herself for any diagnosis, but then didn't tell her children.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:53 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Andrew Sullivan, the daily dish, is a kook. He is not a responsible journalist, but a conspiracy theorist who does not report facts.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:45 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]Really? I'm not a huge fan of him personally, but don't consider him remotely kooky or inventive re facts. And the Atlantic is pretty tough re that kind of thing. What supposed non-facts do you have a quibble with here? Most people on UB would tell you that most airlines won't even let you fly after 8 mos. and it's true that she was leaking amniotic fluid. If that were you, would YOU get on a long flight? No way, unless you felt indifferent or worse towards your baby's health and survival.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:18 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]How do you know for fact that she was leaking amniotic fluid? SHe gave birth in a HOSPITAL, and there were no complications. Not on the plane, not on the road, not on the bus, but in a hospital room.
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 03:44 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=8194634
[ Reply | Options ]11.20.09, 12:20 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Andrew Sullivan started the conspiracy theory that Sarah Palin was actually the grandmother to her son. I do not think the Atlantic truly vetted that story, surprising that they still stand by Sullivan. He went off the reservation a long time ago.
[ Reply | Options ]11.21.09, 10:14 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
i have thought something similar. not necessarily that she didn't want him to live, but that she was really ambivalent, at best, about the whole thing.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 08:52 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]Which I have a certain level of sympathy for, frankly, but it seems so hypocritical and creepy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:25 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you and me both.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:27 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]
Yes, that whole thing was weird as hell. I never believed the "Bristol is Trig's real mother" rumor but Palin's behavior surrounding this birth was just crazy. I never thought of that as an explanation but actually I can sort of believe that she was losing her mind a little bit and feeling very, "Let God decide what he wants to happen," about it.
[ Reply | Options ]11.18.09, 09:38 AM [ Flag | link to this post ]you people are very creepy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 03:46 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]We're not the ones who got on a 8-hour plane flight while in labor. Now that's creepy.
[ Reply | Options ]11.19.09, 04:25 PM [ Flag | link to this post ]you know she was in labor? You do know she gave birth in a hospital.....
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