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05.18.13, 08:05 PM
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of course this is true. think about how much enrichment children of educated parents get before they even start school.
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05.18.13, 08:08 PM
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but don't you think BOTH count? i mean school has got to count for something. I think i can name some stupid rich kids!
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05.18.13, 08:04 PM
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THIS!!!!
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05.18.13, 08:06 PM
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this is stupid? i'm not rich or stupid.
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05.18.13, 08:13 PM
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np: I think she's responding to the first OR, making the point that well-educated parents tend to provide kids with an educational environment to begin with.
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05.18.13, 08:16 PM
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1st thought: Professors at Barnard aren't that bright. 2nd thought: Finland is an awesome kid-friendly society, so kids do better than in USA... and their schools are awesome, the best in the world. They wouldn't put so much energy and be so proud of their schools if they thought as a society that schools don't matter. As a matter of fact, Finnish think that school matters and a lot. You misunderstood the Finnish educator about "which school" the kid will go, it's true for Finland because there's tiny variation on quality between their schools (very much the opposite as in USA).
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05.18.13, 08:04 PM
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if you are talking elementary thru high school - duh. Even undergrad. It doesn't matter anywhere close to what people on UB believe.
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05.18.13, 08:10 PM
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Connections are very important in life, especially for getting jobs. Socioeconomic background makes a huge difference!
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05.18.13, 08:11 PM
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+1
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05.18.13, 08:06 PM
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Of course this is true. The rich stay rich.
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05.18.13, 08:06 PM
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ITA. I'm an adjunct professor and in almost every case, the students who are faring poorly in my class come from a lower income. I know this because when I go in to report how much a student's grades are slipping to the student affairs office, usually I can see any scholarship information or financial aid information (not how much they're getting, but that they are getting aid). There's only been 2 instances out of a couple dozen where students who were not doing well who were not receiving aid of some sort. The university accepts many of these students as a way to create "diversity," both socio-economic and racial, and ultimately it does not benefit anyone, at least in my experience. These students either come from backgrounds that don't encourage the pursuit of education and they just aren't invested, or they have to work multiple jobs to pay for basic costs of living and come into class exhausted.
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05.18.13, 08:08 PM
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Socioeconomics is the most important variable ON AVERAGE. Obviously, other factors matter too, and every individual case is different. I am sure the Barnard professor understands this, even if his DW and her friends do not.
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05.18.13, 08:14 PM
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05.18.13, 07:54 PM
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Ice Cream, avocado and cream cheese sandwhich
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05.18.13, 07:49 PM
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hmm i can do avocado and cc but no ice cream! i NEED ice cream holy shit!
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05.18.13, 07:50 PM
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Everything, because I'm not post partum and the dieting the lbs off sucks.
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05.18.13, 07:49 PM
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^^ now post partum
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05.18.13, 07:50 PM
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Pbj sandwich
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05.18.13, 07:56 PM
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I would but I have the "healthy" kind, you know the mulitgrain bread, the natural pb and the less sugar natural jelly. BORING. I want the old time stuff, the real deal, Skippy, Welches grape and Wonder white!
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05.18.13, 07:55 PM
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Me too! I made cinnamon toast.
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05.18.13, 07:57 PM
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How about avocado spread across whole grain bread.
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05.18.13, 08:04 PM
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+1,000,000. Add a dash of salt and pepper, maybe a squeeze of lime juice. Yum.
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05.18.13, 08:16 PM
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Pizza and a big bowl of cereal.
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05.18.13, 07:59 PM
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05.18.13, 07:53 PM
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I'll bite as a SAHM. What?
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05.18.13, 07:55 PM
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What's the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAHMS AND PROSTITUTES?
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05.18.13, 07:56 PM
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Yeah I figured but thought you actually might have a punchline. Well let's see. Prostitutes don't do the following: Take care of demanding kids all day long, feeding them, cleaning them, changing poop diapers (often really nasty poop diapers!), cleaning the house and always tidying up (have you even seen a hooker's lair?), laundry, cooking (hookers typically order out) and oh yeah a whole hell of a lot LESS sex!
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05.18.13, 07:53 PM
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If your child is pooping into diapers for more than about two years, you're doing it wrong.
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05.18.13, 08:07 PM
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Oh here we go. So a child has to be potty trained according to you by 2?
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05.18.13, 08:02 PM
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Also, having kids is your choice.
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05.18.13, 08:03 PM
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Prostitutes own it?
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05.18.13, 07:50 PM
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Prostitutes get paid ?
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05.18.13, 07:51 PM
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But WOHMs do not get paid for having sex with the man. I guess in certain ways SAHMs get pay for having sex.
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05.18.13, 07:52 PM
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"WOHMs do not get paid for having sex with the man" are you so sure?
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05.18.13, 08:00 PM
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same differences as WOHMs and prostitutes
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05.18.13, 07:57 PM
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Prostitutes work harder.
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05.18.13, 07:57 PM
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Prostitutes don't clean.
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05.18.13, 07:52 PM
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That prostitutes sleep with many men on a everyday basis and SAHMs only sleep with the pool boy, the chauffeur, the Manny, the Trainer, The chef, The. . . Well I guess is the same.
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05.18.13, 07:53 PM
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prostitutes are working for more than room and board.
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05.18.13, 08:00 PM
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05.18.13, 08:01 PM
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Prostitutes are WOHM for the most part.
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05.18.13, 08:03 PM
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SAHM don't sell their time. WOHMs sell their time, some of them rent their body too (what you call "prostitutes" in a demeaning way).
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05.18.13, 07:59 PM
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Of course SAHMs sell their time--to their husbands, at a very, very low hourly rate.
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05.18.13, 08:15 PM
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SAHMs don't always deliver
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05.18.13, 07:59 PM
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Prostitutes aren't married, prostitutes have sex with multiple men, sahms don't have to worry about their pimp beating them, sahms are usually happy.
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05.18.13, 08:06 PM
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studies have shown sahms unhappier across the board
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05.18.13, 08:06 PM
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I highly doubt that. Have they done studies comparing prostitutes with sahms?
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05.18.13, 08:14 PM
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unhappier than WOHMS- you said they are generally happy- data shows otherwise
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05.18.13, 08:15 PM
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Prostitutes can be married--you could say SAHMs are prostitutes with an exclusive contract for one client. Proprietary whores, if you will.
Also, not all prostitutes have pimps or get beaten by pimps.
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05.18.13, 08:15 PM
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SAHMs work for free and a Prostitute works ?
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05.18.13, 08:06 PM
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People are all in your business if you are a sahm, if you are a prostitute no one cares what you do.
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05.18.13, 08:12 PM
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05.18.13, 07:45 PM
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Aw, I remember when I was 15 years old. Good times.
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05.18.13, 07:48 PM
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Lol
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05.18.13, 07:43 PM
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np: lol wow, someone is insecure. Is Fountainhead one of the 10 books you have read in your lifetime? (all assigned during high school).
I went to a TT boarding school and we never read Foutainhead. There are millions of books. It's hilarious that you try and one up someone for having read different books than you in high school. You must be really poorly educated.
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05.18.13, 07:52 PM
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OR: I think you misunderstood. I was never assigned the Fountainhead in school. It's one of those books you read on your own as a teenager and take on as your worldview for a few months. Then you grow up a little and move on to The Stranger. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
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05.18.13, 07:56 PM
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Why so you assume every teenager wanted to read the same books you read as a teenager? I read mostly biographies and science books as a teenager.
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05.18.13, 07:59 PM
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NP: I agree with OR. The Fountainhead is a teenage book, with an outlook that appeals intensely the the very young and the very immature. Perhaps you skipped it. If you did read it and are still badgering OR, perhaps you are very young or very immature.
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05.18.13, 08:02 PM
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This. Next are you going to tell us you read The Bell Jar?
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05.18.13, 08:08 PM
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op: Do tell, what other books are we not allowed to read as adults? I wasn't aware great books had a shelf life. My opinion was that the more people read, the better. The more new ideas people are exposed to, the better off we are as a society. But sorry to break your official book rules. I'll cross Bell Jar off my list.
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05.18.13, 08:13 PM
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I also think you misunderstood her. The Fountainhead also makes me think of being a teenager, b/c that's when most ppl I know were interested in Ayn Rand, and it's true that from there to Camus is a well-traveled path.:) FWIW, I don't recall these books being assigned, don't remember what twigged us to them.
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05.18.13, 07:59 PM
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Maybe you should assign a list of what books everyone in society should read at each age. God forbid people just read the books that internet them at the time.
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05.18.13, 08:15 PM
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Any Rand was a huge Victor Hugo fan, so I would recommend anything by Victor Hugo. Similar philosophical underpinnings if that is what you're looking or
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05.18.13, 07:56 PM
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This is completely false. Hugo's and Rand's views were nothing alike, philosophically or politically. Their work shares the concept of an idealized hero but not much else.
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05.18.13, 07:59 PM
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+1.
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05.18.13, 07:59 PM
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They both go on and on and on and on...
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05.18.13, 08:07 PM
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PP: If length means that authors are similar, then Rand is like Rousseau and Jonathan Littell is like Proust. What kind of criterion is that?
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05.18.13, 08:13 PM
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+1
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05.18.13, 08:15 PM
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05.18.13, 07:42 PM
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You should just stop fighting. He will win because cats always win. Could you rent an office space and go work there? Maybe the library? He is letting you work from home so you either pay the fee (play with him) or finding another place to work.
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05.18.13, 07:47 PM
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^^^find
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05.18.13, 07:48 PM
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Yeah, but today is saturday and he won't let me read the paper or go on UB. He can't drive me out completely.
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05.18.13, 07:58 PM
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He can and he will if you don't go along with his plans. You could always try to bribe him with a cool cat house or if you want to be able to decide what to do with your Saturdays you could get another cat to take the focus off of you.
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05.18.13, 08:01 PM
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jsut play with the cat, whats the big deal
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05.18.13, 08:00 PM
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Dress him in one of DB's old outfits. I promise you'll get the cold shoulder to work as you please for a long time after.
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05.18.13, 08:01 PM
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05.18.13, 07:40 PM
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Whatever you do, stay away from the melia resort in punta Cana
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05.18.13, 07:42 PM
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All inclusive is often gross food and watered-down drinks. Try Boardwalk in Aruba if you're on a budget. Stop at the grocery store on your way in and make breakfast and lunch in the room.
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05.18.13, 07:49 PM
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05.18.13, 07:27 PM
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did she have a child too?
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05.18.13, 07:25 PM
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yes.
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05.18.13, 07:35 PM
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Pp, are stupid it's not a freakin dog park
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05.18.13, 07:35 PM
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Dogs are not allowed in playgrounds in nyc.
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05.18.13, 07:35 PM
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But...but...but it's her furry child! In other words, she's an obliviot.
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05.18.13, 07:32 PM
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So what? Kids love to play with dogs
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05.18.13, 07:34 PM
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It's not a dog park. Keep your animals on leashes when outside. It's the law
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05.18.13, 07:44 PM
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I'm with the so what thing unless the dog did something wrong. Children love dogs.
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05.18.13, 07:45 PM
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the nicest dog can inadvertently scratch a child.
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05.18.13, 07:53 PM
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ture, but that doesn't change my mind about what I just typed above.
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05.18.13, 07:58 PM
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are you insane? assuming op is in NYC, it is against the law to have a dog in the playground, even on a leash? Crazy. and your assumption that all kids love dogs is completely wrong. Many kids are very scared of dogs. Regardless, it's illegal!
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05.18.13, 07:48 PM
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no, mental fit. I jaywalk too. If your child fears dogs, I can understand why you might have a different opinion. Feel free to state.
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05.18.13, 07:59 PM
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honestly - who are you? what kind of manners do you teach your child? to call other people insane for expressing an opinion you don't share. What in the world??
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05.18.13, 07:54 PM
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Dog owner here: it's really inconsiderate to assume everyone wants to play with your dog. Some kids are terrified of dogs, and others are allergic. Also there are rules prohibiting dogs from NYC playgrounds. If a child approaches my leashed dog I will warn them "she won't bite, but she will jump up and lick your face". My dog is only 25 lbs, but when she stands on her hind legs to lick your face (which we're working on) she towers over a toddler.
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05.18.13, 07:54 PM
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People are the WORST! I live in Hoboken - full of young kids and dogs. Idiots bring small dogs into the fenced playgrounds all the time. Bigger idiots bring young kids into the dog runs all. the. time. I have 2 young kids and a pitbull mutt (rescued / abused as a puppy). Now - my dog is very skittish (doesn't like strangers touching him) - but good w/ kids. I know tons of dogs that are not though. Kids are on their level and move erratically - dogs can get confused -see them as a threat. I try to MMOB - but I've left the dog park more than once when children go in - I don't need that liability even though I know my dog wouldn't hurt a fly.
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05.18.13, 07:38 PM
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I have two dogs who I love, and that is insane. It doesn't bother me personally when someone brings a small, well behaved dog to the park and ties it to the stroller, but it makes me anxious because they are breaking the rules. She should have brought her kids to the dog park and let them chase the dog around.
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05.18.13, 07:42 PM
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It makes me anxious because I have been bitten by dogs. I wish people could just follow the rules, not everyone likes dogs.
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05.18.13, 08:09 PM
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wtf? isn't that against the law? I bet she's the type that if her dog were to harm a child would blame it on the child.
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05.18.13, 07:44 PM
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