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[ - ] speaking of brazialian waxes- anything topical to use so that it hurts less? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More ]
Toddler 07.15.08, 01:58 PM Flag
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Yes but it's by scrip only. Emla cream. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:18 PM Flag
[ - ] are there any schedule makers out there? i just want to come up with a realistic schedule for me. i am struggling with putting one together. i think my expectations are unrealistic and that is causing a lot of issues for me. 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:56 PM Flag
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for you or db? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:07 PM Flag
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for me and how i deal with daily family responsibilities/work/personal [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:21 PM Flag
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np: this is something i've been thinking about a lot. what exactly are your issues? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:30 PM Flag
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cant seem to get things right. i forget stuff. i am tired a lot. just no time to plan stuff well. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:43 PM Flag
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NP: just get a planner from franklin covey or something. are you looking for a software solution? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:44 PM Flag
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how old are dcs? do you woh? tell me a little about your schedule and i'll tell you things that i've learned from experience. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:52 PM Flag
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3 and almost 5. woh. dh is not around in the evenings / wkends busy with new business. its all on me. very hectic life. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 03:29 PM Flag
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i don't know if you'll come back to check this but here are some things that helped me. i got rid of a lot of dc's clothing and do more frequent smaller loads. things never get put away and it's easier to look through a small load of clothing and also easier to have less selection. i started letting dcs choose dinners...they tend to pick easy things and i know they'll eat. simplify things as much as possible. we have two choices for breakfast, whereas i used to let them pick whatever they want. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 06:22 PM Flag
[ - ] 9 m/o dd is a good napper and sleeps through the night (8pm to 6:30/7am) but will not settle herself down at night. have a bedtime ritual with reading, songs, low lights, but inevitably she freaks when we leave the room. have gone on walks lately in good weather and she drifts off, but i know this is a bad habit. not sure i can handle CIO. ideas? 14 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:52 PM Flag
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is it a problem for you? clearly she knows how to put herself to sleep if she's sleeping through adn good for naps. so the only real concner for bedtime is whether its wokring for you, andif the walks help, adn she still sleeps through, i don't think its a problem for now. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:53 PM Flag
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OP: I suppose the problem is that it takes her 30-45 minutes to calm down and drift off without a walk. usually lots of tears, and we have to soothe and settle her repeatedly. the walks are definately not a problem, give me and DH some time together, but i dont think we can continue them every night into the fall. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:56 PM Flag
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is this different from naps? is it new? ( we walked our oldest to sleep all his first summer. i loved it but I agree that as it gets colder its not so great.) [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:57 PM Flag
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OP: for naps she is usually so tired she drifts off with minimal fuss. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:04 PM Flag
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is bedtime possibly too early? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:05 PM Flag
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OP: we have tried moving it around a bit, but right around 7:30/8 she shows all the signs - rubbing her eyes, getting cranky, pulling blanket/stuffed animal up to her face, etc. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:11 PM Flag
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have you tried the really gradual move out of her room? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:16 PM Flag
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bedtime may be too late - is she overtired? what time is her last nap? how many and how long and when are they? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:08 PM Flag
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OP: usually a nap in the morning that is 45 mins to an hour, and 1-2 other longer naps that are an hour or two. usually does not nap after 3:30 pm. Gets tired around 7:30/8. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:12 PM Flag
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You've just found your problem. Bedtime is way too late. You never wait until db acts tired - by then they are overtired and frustrated and have a terrible time falling asleep. Bedtime should be 7 pm at the absolute latest [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:15 PM Flag
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^^please try this [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:17 PM Flag
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OP: I suspect this might be true. when I am home I try to be more consistant about putting her down earlier, regardless if she shows these signs. however i travel a lot for work and dh seems to hold out for these signs before putting her down. I will discuss with him and maybe aim for an earlier bedtime. sadly, both of us work so this means we have less time with her at night, but clearly it is better she get the sleep she needs. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:19 PM Flag
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read Weissbluth - he describes how db sleep so perfectly an explains the timing etc - works and db will be happier during the day too [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:22 PM Flag
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THANKS! Will work on an earlier bedtime, and read up a bit more. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:24 PM Flag
[ - ] running moms - for the past week and a half, my legs feel like lead when I run! Is it better to mix it up (do a bike ride to change things up) to help my legs get stronger and not feel so heavy? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:51 PM Flag
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any recommendations? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:54 PM Flag
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Yes! BTW, are you wearing flip flops a lot? That might be contributing to the pain/problem. Try orthopedic summer shoes...might help. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:57 PM Flag
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really? Thanks so much! I have been wearing flip flops a lot for the past 2 weeks! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 03:23 PM Flag
[ - ] Has anyone had CVS done? What was the experience like? 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:47 PM Flag
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much less of a big deal than what i was anticipating. it didn't take very long (10 minutes?) and it didn't hurt - i'd compare it to a PAP. I was able to go into the office afterward and had almost no cramping and no spotting. Got prelim results the next day. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:49 PM Flag
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wow that fast? I had an amnio with db#1 but feel I want to do testing earlier. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:53 PM Flag
[ - ] I have a small leak under my sink...think it's just a washer that needs to be replaced. Does anyone know how to do this or have the number of a cheap handynan in Nyc? I hate to pay for a whole plumber over this. 22 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:45 PM Flag
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can your super do it? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:47 PM Flag
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Nope. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:48 PM Flag
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call up the building mgmt - they will send someone [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:53 PM Flag
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No they won't. I own the apartment. It's my responsibility. Building managment is there to handle common space issues under the direction of the board, insurance, maintanence billing and city ordinances. They do not do repairs on individual units. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:02 PM Flag
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Ask the doorman and super or someone in the building if you can independently pay one someone from the building to do the work for you while they're not working. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:07 PM Flag
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Please: I appreciate your trying to help me but I don't live in a building like that. I am a private homeowner in New York City. There is no doorman and the "super" has no skills. He just takes out the trash and cleans the stoop and calls the boiler people if the hot water goes off. Thank you so much but I am looking for either instruction on how to do this myself or a number of a handyman. Thanks! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:16 PM Flag
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The Black and Decker Do-It-Yourself book is really good. I would ask though, if it is UNDER THE SINK, why do think it is a washer? Do you mean a washer from the shut off valve that comes out of the wall? (If so, can you shut off water at the main?) [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:09 PM Flag
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Yes under the sink....The washer (or rubber ring thingy) that seals up the conectino between the 2 pipes...the first pipe is straight down under the sink and then there is a connection point to the curved pipe that goes into the wall. It's this connection that is leaking. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:18 PM Flag
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gotcha. That is simple. Do you have five minutes? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:21 PM Flag
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Oh, crap! Are you still on? I left the computer and I see you had some real answers....OK I'm goign to put DD in the bath but I will keep checking so please if you are still on and can tell me what to do I'm here. 6:45 PM. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 03:47 PM Flag
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Yeah, give me a second. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 04:15 PM Flag
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OK, you need to turn the valve off first. Then open the faucet it went to. Put a bucket under the pipe 'cause some water will leak out. Then use two adjustable wrenches (or open ended wrenches OF THE RIGHT SIZE) to turn the two fittings. One thing to be careful of is that when you turn the fitting, the pipe is not twisting. (It seems like you have rigid pipe on both.) [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 04:24 PM Flag
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(cont) Once you have the fitting open, inspect the washer. (Actually, before you go to all this trouble, see if tightening the fitting doesn't make the leak go away FIRST. Assuming that doesn't fix it...) if the washer is looks like it needs to be replaced, bring it to a hardware store and get a new one. You should also get some teflon tape. Wrap this around the threads before you tighten everything back up. Close faucet, open valve, open faucet make sure it is running ok. Turn off faucet and check. (I'll put a watch on this and check back tomorrow. I have to go.) [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 04:25 PM Flag
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Oh, and good luck. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 04:36 PM Flag
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THANK YOU for this....I'm not going to do it until tomorrow because I don't want to get started until the hardware store is open, but one question in case you see this before I start...what do you mean by wrapping the threads in tape?> Won't this cover the thread grooves up making it impossible to screw the pipe back on? Or do you mean one thin layer of tape only that will indent right into the grooves? THANK YOU! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 04:40 PM Flag
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Teflon tape is super thin. It is great for sealing (and lubricating threads.) Google it. If you can't find anything I'll be back tomorrow. Now, I really have to go. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 04:53 PM Flag
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You are the best. have a restful night knowing you've helped a fellow mother become more of an idependent woman! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 09:12 PM Flag
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I rested well. I'm a dad, btw. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.16.08, 06:43 AM Flag
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^^^ if you check back, let me know how it went. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.16.08, 07:25 PM Flag
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Hi! It went great. Thanks again for all yoru help. I followed your advice but in the process learned that the true source of the link was a lack of seal between the sink and the counter....I have one of those above the counter bowl sinks and the sealer had worn out so I got new stuff and re-sealed it and it should be dry by now. THANK YOU again. Times are tough, my husband is at work constantly and I'm trying to learn how to do this kind of thing myself without paying anyone. In the old days I wouldn't have thought twice ab out calling a plumber but between private school and the market I'm learning to be a do-it-yourselfer. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.17.08, 09:12 AM Flag
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^^^That should read "True source of the LEAK" [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.17.08, 09:12 AM Flag
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Cool! In my fantasy, just-won-the-lottery-world, one of the classes my school/I teach will be for home/apt owners on how to fix basic stuff. I find it is the fear that keeps people from doing these things. The knowledge and skill (for the basics) are not such a big deal. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.17.08, 10:20 AM Flag
[ - ] Ever since "the switch" I headed over to youbemom.com because it seemed to go faster and now I am burnt out by that crowd. Just wondering (totally out of curiousity) why you decided to stay here. FWIW, I welcome a mature crowd and this seems to be the place... 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:44 PM Flag
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I haven't decided to stay...abandoned for a while and now I didn't know where to turn. Maybe I will check out the site you recommend -- why did you burn out? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:51 PM Flag
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Extremely immature, young, flyover state crowd. And before you flame, I am from kind of a flyover state too--but I am not like that -- kwim? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:52 PM Flag
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ok, hotshot [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:54 PM Flag
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the conversations are way more interesting here, and more thoughtful. not as many one-liners, but i don't really come here for that. so i still really like it here. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:58 PM Flag
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why do you think that is? what makes them more intersting? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:13 PM Flag
[ - ] sympathy please-- mastitis... 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:40 PM Flag
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never have i had a fever so high or felt such pain. I'm SO Sorry. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:42 PM Flag
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Oh my goodness I had that. I am very large breasted it hurt like no other. I made my husband bind my boobs every hour for 3 days it was hell. Then it was gone. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:42 PM Flag
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oh god, how awful. get the good meds adn go to bed. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:43 PM Flag
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the worst. i had such a high fever i was delirious. so painful. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:19 PM Flag
[ - ] Is it normal that 4m/o db can only nap for 30 mins at a time? It's like he has an inner clock that wakes him up after 30 mins. We don't have that problem at night, though. Will naps lengthen eventually? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:39 PM Flag
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my first was like that (some naps were longer if he was in motion). when he gotmobile (at 5-6months), naps got longer, i assume b/c he was more tired. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:41 PM Flag
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Yes and yes. Our 8mo now regularly takes 1 hour, if not 2, naps. At 4 mo, I had asked my ped if she could have an internal 1/2 hour clock for naps. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:42 PM Flag
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Oh, wow, good to know. Did you have do to anything (like Ferber) to lengthen the naps? Or did it happen on its own? Do you remember when? Poor db wakes up so tired after those 30 mins, so I know he needs more. Thanks. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:44 PM Flag
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We followed the 2 hour rule and I put her down earlier if she was having trouble. We are just going to do CIO now. She was very hard to rock to sleep at 5 mo, but we felt it was too early to do CIO then and whatever stage it was ended in about a month and she became easier to put to sleep again [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:46 PM Flag
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Thanks. We're thinking that maybe the 2-hr rule isn't working for us; perhaps he doesn't need to be put down that often? I'm open to trying anything. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:49 PM Flag
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We aslo had success rocking her back to sleep after she woke up if we felt she woke up tired [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:51 PM Flag
[ - ] I waited til 3 yo to potty train both of my ds's. DD is 15 mos and now when I tell her I have to go to the potty, she runs into the bathroom and backs up to the toilet...so funny. I hate the idea of having a kiddie potty in the bathroom until absolutely necessary....2 1/2 is the normal/to late age for potty training girls, right? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:36 PM Flag
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we started earlier than that because we needed to for preschool. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:38 PM Flag
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I have a little girl who's been wanting to potty train since she was 1 1/2. I waited until now-22 mo. old- to finally let her. She is 2 weeks into it and loving it.She had had one accident. I would recommend to wait till at least 2 years old. But if they show a strong urge too, then go ahead and try close to 2 years of age. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:06 PM Flag
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thanks...I don't want to start too soon because I hate wiping up pee more than changing diapers! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 03:10 PM Flag
[ - ] Haven't been on here for months, so this is probably an old topic, BUT...... Who else besides me is feeling the crunch of this horrible economy besides us. Gas prices, groceries, etc. 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:36 PM Flag
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hand raised [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:42 PM Flag
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^^^oh and add a pound of job insecurity [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:43 PM Flag
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Groceries are like 3x more expensive. Have you SEEN the cost of milk lately? OY--plus my co (a subsidiary of a large bank) is on the auction block and will likely be sold by the end of the summer. Layoff Central. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:45 PM Flag
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Groceries are insane. Fresh fruit! MilK! Cereal! Insane. Gas prices are a big part. Gas affets everything. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:47 PM Flag
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Definitely! I just paid 4.89 a gallon for the cheap stuff, our gas bill was $790 last month. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:44 PM Flag
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I bought a jar of instant decaf and a pint of strawberries last week for $16. I nearly fell over. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:49 PM Flag
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Tell me about it. I buy nothing at the grocery store & it is an absurd price [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:57 PM Flag
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Yes Ma'm, yet this is the first thread of consistent assents I've seen-any NYers replying here? Just days ago, a similar post was rife with denials and pleas to get the whiners out of nyc! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:04 PM Flag
[ - ] We did CIO, and ds now falls asleep on his own (with less than 30 seconds of crying at night). But he's still waking up several times at night (though not crying), and also waking up at 5:30am. Does this just take its own time to lengthen? Anything we can do? 4.5 m/o. TIA. Exhausted. 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:32 PM Flag
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yes, just takes time, if db is already going to sleep on his own and not crying at night you are way ahead of where we were at that stage. It will get better, I promise! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:43 PM Flag
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Thanks. It doesn't feel like it now. I feel like we'll be stuck in this forever. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:48 PM Flag
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just curious - NOT flaming - but isn't 4.5 m/o young for CIO? When are you suppposed to start? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:43 PM Flag
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I typically heard 6 months, but it seems to have worked for them. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:46 PM Flag
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Three peds I spoke with said 4 months is perfect (two of them are moms, the other is a good childhood friend who I know is very smart and sensible). Their point is that the earlier you do it, the easier it is. And really, ds took to it very quickly. So, I'm ok with the age. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:46 PM Flag
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^^^And as an example, he only cried 5 mins at night the first night. Often when we'd rock him to sleep, he'd cry that much or even more (I guess because he was fighting sleep). [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:47 PM Flag
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I think this is pretty normal. If anything, your baby is doing good with sleeping compared to other kids. I know kids who slept through to 7 at that age but I think waking up between 5 and 6 is pretty normal. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:48 PM Flag
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Does that lengthen over time, or are we destined to always wake up at 5:30? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:51 PM Flag
[ - ] [-]ttc no. 2 for 7 mos! I am 32, dh is 34. We've had all the tests and are "normal" I ovulate every month (albiet sometimes late). I got pregnant with no. 1 the first month we tried!! Has anyone btdt? I am losing faith here and getting so sick of trying. If there is nothing wrong with us, why isn't this happening? Anyone else take this long to conceive number 2 -- I'm losing hope and feeling like I'll never get a positive (going to an RE on the 22d though) 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:32 PM Flag
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ttc for 2 for 5 months, 1 was second month. not worried though. please just relax and it will happen [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:36 PM Flag
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np -- that is an obnoxious thing to tell someone because it implies they are doing something to prevent it from happening. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:43 PM Flag
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np lol i have no idea how you got that, from the above post [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:55 PM Flag
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at your age it isnt' considered "infertility" usually until its been a year. nothing wrong with seeing a doctor but there may not be any actual problem. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:37 PM Flag
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are you charting? using OPK? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:45 PM Flag
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I am charting and have been using the fertility monitor (although I hardly ever get a peak even though my chart says that I ovulate -- apparently due to a short lh surge someone said) [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:46 PM Flag
[ - ] Some say what you read on UB is all cr*p, but I started here 5 years ago and have found that it's pretty accurate overall, and if you follow it regularly you start to weed out the rumors. For example, before we applied for privates, I had read about the problems with summer birthdays. I thought, no way, my dd is so mature, and so did the PSD. But sure enough, she got "too young" feedback, plus one subtest of the ERB was off, which brought her score below 95, PLUS we need FA. She was WL across the board. So don't believe EVERYTHING you read on this board, but do believe some things: summer bdays will count against you, a not-perfect ERB doesn't help, and asking for FA just makes it worse. 12 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
NY Schools 07.15.08, 01:31 PM Flag
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OK, but we had a young summer DD plus needed lots of FA and got multiple acceptances including TT. And we know others. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:40 PM Flag
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not OP, but are you diverse (you'll probably say no because otherwise it'll disprove your point) and what year was this? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:47 PM Flag
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no diversity. last year. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:14 PM Flag
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^^last year, meaning fall of 08 [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:19 PM Flag
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right.... [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.16.08, 05:38 AM Flag
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i think the information on UB is helpful - needing FA CAN hurt, a summer bday CAN hurt, etc. but that doesn't make it TRUE. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:41 PM Flag
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any statement here can be proved "true" because someone usually has had the experience to back it up. the reality is everyone's situation is different, and there are way too many factors to make sweeping generalizations about this process--except that it's not fun and there's no guarantees. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:50 PM Flag
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that it happened for 1 person does not make it true just like the fact that the opposite happened for 1 person doesn't make it UNTRUE, but i think that when lots of people post a similar issue, then it probably IS an issue. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 01:52 PM Flag
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OP here: That's really my point. That when someone posts on the board over and over that these things matter, it's probably best to be prepared that they will matter in your case too. I'm not making excuses for my dd, but she isn't a PITA, we're not PITA parents, my PSD was shocked by the SO, but I see why she might not have been among the first acceptances this past year. Lots of girls too. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:18 PM Flag
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I agree summer bday absolutely hurts you. But you are wrong about the other 2. You don't need 99x3 to get accepted. FA- depends on school. If you apply to $$$$$ and very generous schools, it really doesn't matter as long as dc is qualified and dc will have same odds (which is small for everyone). [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:56 PM Flag
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We needed major, major FA and get multiple accepts. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.15.08, 02:57 PM Flag
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That's common sense that a less than perfect record will yield less than perfect results. You didn't need UB for that if you weren't so tied up in wishful thinking and stepped outside of yourself to view this as a business model. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.16.08, 12:55 AM Flag
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