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[ - ] Spin off. My sons are 16 and 12 yo. Dh and I teach them that if they take a girl on a date, they pay for her, even if she offers. They hold the door, and they pull her chair out. Do you teach your sons this? It seems mothers don't emphasize chivalry in their sons anymore. 104 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:48 PM Flag
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I would teach them the door (this is a tradition that doesn't appear to be going away, so better they learn it then be thought rude even though I dont like it), and tell them that if they ask a girl out they should pay (even if she offers). [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:49 PM Flag
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You don't like it when a man holds the door for you? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:50 PM Flag
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I've always thought this was strange. I hold the door for anyone, male or female, who is coming in behind me- why would I take offense to a man holding the door for me? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:55 PM Flag
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I have never heard of anyone being offended by this. Is that a real thing? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:57 PM Flag
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I've heard about it online but I've never actually met someone in real life who feels this way, thankfully [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:07 PM Flag
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I am a proud feminist and hold the door open for everyone and appreciate the same basic manners in others. However I have a colleague who thinks she is the only feminist on earth (she talks the talk but does not walk the walk actually) and she is really rude to male colleagues when they try to hold doors open or let her step off the elevator first. It's embarrassing. They are just being mannerly and she could just be mannerly in return. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.03.15, 01:55 AM Flag
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I appreciate ANYONE holding the door for me, and I hold the door for people all the time. I just don't liek the idea of a man having to hold it open for a woman. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 07:01 PM Flag
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I plan to teach my 10 yo ds this [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:51 PM Flag
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Start now. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:52 PM Flag
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It's not too early to start telling him. My kids took etiquette/ballroom classes beginning in third grade. This is huge in the suburbs. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:52 PM Flag
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I have a DS and a DD. I will raise both of them to respect the other sex and that both are perfectly capable of asking someone out on a date and paying for it. Both should hold the door for those behind them...regardless of gender..The pulling out of chair is old fashion. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:53 PM Flag
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There's nothing wrong with being old fashioned. It's better than being a mannerless oaf. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:53 PM Flag
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Pulling out and pushing in a woman's chair is ridiculous unless she is wearing a large ball gown and gloves. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:32 PM Flag
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lol [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.03.15, 01:07 AM Flag
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We teach our DS and DD that if they ask someone on a date, they pay. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:54 PM Flag
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Np. I would never encourage my dd to ask a guy on a date. This is the mans job, and if he can't do it, he probably sucks. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:55 PM Flag
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This. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:56 PM Flag
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Sorry, but what is "This" an acronym for? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:27 PM Flag
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One-word response placed after a quote on a message board as an affirmation of the author's agreement with the quoted person's view. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 10:57 PM Flag
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ILY. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.03.15, 02:13 AM Flag
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That is sexist. No woman should have to wait for men to make the moves. If she knows what she wants, she should go get it. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:30 PM Flag
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However, most women on this board will agree that as backwards and antiquated it is, most men are kind of dumbasses in regards to women, and that Rules crap works. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:50 PM Flag
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Really? Sad that you are raising a daughter with low self esteem and sexist cliches. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:59 PM Flag
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NP Then I hope your daughter doesn't date my son. These sorts of rigid gender roles are antiquated and useless. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:00 PM Flag
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Completely agree. I hope my sone does not end up dating a doormat. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:01 PM Flag
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A door mat? You are confused. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:02 PM Flag
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No, a girl raised to expect a man to pay for everything is also the one who expects not to work. She's a future doormat - whether she is the wife of some guy who hits her, or an UES wife who waits for her wife bonus. A worthless doormat. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:05 PM Flag
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I am the med student from the other thread. The entire focus of my life is my career. But I appreciate it when a guy invites me to dinner and pays. I am turned off when a guy invites me and then expects to split the check. He invites, he should pay. It's just the way things work. My current boyfriend is very old fashioned and I love it! He wasn't raised in NYC though. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:07 PM Flag
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^^i prefer a nice southern gentleman over your typical NYC jerk. I have found guys raised in ny have terrible manners, on the whole [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:08 PM Flag
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Np: and I hope my ds grows up to find a strong young woman that is so fantastic that he wants to buy her dinner. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:52 PM Flag
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Nnp. I am in my 20s and currently dating. I'll be honest...there is something very off putting about a guy who can't muster up the courage to ask me on a date. It's a good way of weeding out losers, flakes, and guys who aren't truly interested. And trust me...in this city, a lot of guys fall into at least one of those categories! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:04 PM Flag
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NP#3: +1. It's not that I'm opposed to asking men out in principle or based on "gender roles" or anything, but it's always been my experience that if a man is interested in you, he's asking you out. Even shy guys want to make sure they have an opportunity to see you again. I also want the opportunity to see what they suggest we do. If it's something like "I'm hanging out with some friends at X Bar tonight. You should come hang out", I'm probably not that interested. If he makes a plan to take me on a date, even if it's just for coffee, I'm much more likely to go. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:14 PM Flag
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Exactly. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:15 PM Flag
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The one with a son here - I hope my son will ask out women, but I don't want him dating women who thinks that anything is "a man's job" because then he will be told that "it's a woman's job" to do other things. I don't hold to that, and neither does DH. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:27 PM Flag
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Np. They are not useless, they are based on basic biology. The man does the chasing. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:03 PM Flag
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Hate to say it but ita [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:05 PM Flag
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Your theory justifies why all men should be unfaithful- it's biology! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:11 PM Flag
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You seem dumb. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:11 PM Flag
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You seem ok with being a cuckold. More power to you. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:14 PM Flag
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Cuckolds are by definition male. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 09:23 PM Flag
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Biology says that both men and women should do hunting and gathering and grandparents do the caregiving. This has little to do with our regular lives. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 07:16 PM Flag
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what if she's a lesbian? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:41 PM Flag
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I would not tell them to pay even if she offers. That's because I'd be raising a girl who I would tell to pay. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:55 PM Flag
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What? You sound combative [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:56 PM Flag
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Chivalry is about treating all people with courtesy. It is not about men dating women. Most of the rules of chivalry were about protecting the poor and the weak and treating male guests with courtesy and respect. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:55 PM Flag
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Thanks for the history lesson, but I think you know what op means [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:56 PM Flag
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OP means to discard the parts of a 1000-year-old code that she doesn't like, and keep the parts that suit her world view. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:31 PM Flag
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THIS! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:57 PM Flag
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I don't think I taught them this necessarily, but they somehow all learned it. They are all gentlemen with their girlfriends. I did teach them specifically how to always leave a good tip and appreciate service in order to expect good service. When one of them had only 60 dollars to pay a 57 dollar dinner bill and left 3 dollars, as soon as I found out I drove him and a friend back to the same place exactly one week later to make sure the same server was there, and apologize and tip her $20 in advance of the order and then 25% after the check. I had a cheapskate dad growing up and I never really got over the way he would stiff service persons. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:57 PM Flag
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Good for you! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:56 PM Flag
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So far he's 7. We've taught him that men keep their word. We tell him that if someone doesn't want to be touched, they stop. I don't know if we will focus on the door and the chair thing, but I will want them to be polite. I think paying for the date isn't the same thing as being polite. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:59 PM Flag
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I agree with this and will have similar discussions with my son. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:00 PM Flag
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I have 2 sons and I will not teach them to do this based on gender. I will emphasize treating all people equally. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:02 PM Flag
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Your intentions are good, but guys I know who are raised like this turn out to be boors. the kind of guy who will break a woman's nose during a coed volleyball game. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:05 PM Flag
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A woman shouldn't be there if she's not willing to get her nose broken. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:12 PM Flag
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I hope you would be ashamed of your son if he broke a woman's nose. I bet you wouldn't though. You are raising a fucking pig. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:15 PM Flag
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Nope. I'm a guy who was raised to believe that it's rude to ever suggest that a woman can't hold her own against men. You think it would be better if I took it easy on women? Because that's what happens when I play co-ed soccer; the women know they can bang around and throw elbows because no guy is ever going to push back. Is that reasonable of them? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:17 PM Flag
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Your mother raised you to be a pig. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:19 PM Flag
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No matter how hard a woman hits you, you should never fight back. Ever. If your mother never taught you this, she was a miserable failure as a parent. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:19 PM Flag
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I get it. But maybe women shouldn't be hitting me in the first place,then? I don't hit anyone, ever. I don't believe in it. But this idea that women have free reign to by physical with men without repercussion is confusing to a person who was raised to believe that women and men are total equals. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:22 PM Flag
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The truth is, men and women are not physical equals. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:22 PM Flag
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^^again, something your parents should have taught you [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:23 PM Flag
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He's talking about sports, not an argument. Don't you want your daughter to play hard? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:28 PM Flag
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I also have boys, but I'm a man. I will never teach my sons to treat women like this, because it doesn't work. You're raising two boys who will be frustrated by the fact that your old lady techniques leave them alone every weekend while the girls are out with the assholes who couldn't give a shit about them. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:11 PM Flag
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This is untrue. med student above. one of my favorite things about my current boyfriend is how old fashioned and polite he is. I have treated him many times but he always feels uncomfortable about it because he thinks the man should be the one to pay. I think it's cute. He also holds doors for me, pullsmy chair out, etc. maybe I am unusual but I like nice people. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:13 PM Flag
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You like being the princess. It's cool. I'm pretty sure you won't marry this guy, though. You like that you have the polite, dependable guy who will stick with you through med school, but you'll drop him for the asshole radiologist by the time you're a second year resident. Let's just say I have some experience in the matter. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:16 PM Flag
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You're right, I guess I do like being pampered a bit. My days are long and so are his. It's nice to get together and act out our medieval courtship fantasies. Anyway I am proud to go places with him because I always have the most polite boyfriend of the group. I have dated assholes and the biggest downside was it was embarrassing to take them places because you knew they would do something incorrect/gross. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:18 PM Flag
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There is nothing wrong with this. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 08:35 PM Flag
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I feel so sorry for your sons that you're so bitter and have such low expectations of the entire female gender. Women will smell your misogyny from a mile away and you'll always be stuck with the worst and most desperate of us, if you project this vile attitude. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:31 PM Flag
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This. He was the type who *acted* like a nice guy, but you could always tell that deep down there was something wrong. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 08:35 PM Flag
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You are a troll, not a father. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:14 PM Flag
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+1 [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:15 PM Flag
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You're gross. Please be fake. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:14 PM Flag
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Why? Why is it gross to teach your kids the reality of life? I want them to not have to go through what I went through. I see it, I lived it. I'm not saying they should be jerks. I'm just saying it's pretty clear (in my experience and that of lots of other guys I know) that women don't go for the nice guys. So why would I encourage them to act like that? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:18 PM Flag
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You are trolling, but let me tell you something. The girls who are worth your sons' time are the girls who appreciate nice guys. You don't want to date a girl who likes bad boys. That is a sign there is something wrong with her. Probably low self esteem [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:20 PM Flag
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I'm totally not trolling. I'm sharing my personal experience. I was the nice guy. I was polite and sweet and kind. And I got passed over A LOT for the guy who wanted his girlfriend to watch him get drunk at the bar before he made her have sex and then didn't call her for four days. I know it sounds like good advice, but nice guys do not win in the game of love. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:23 PM Flag
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You sound like you were pining over the wrong girls. Have you ever considered that? I only dated nice guys, and I eventually married one. There are a lot of women like me out there, but I suspect that's not who you were attracted to. You are at fault too. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:25 PM Flag
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This [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:26 PM Flag
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Fair enough. Good point. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:28 PM Flag
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Are you 20 years old? You are describing college romance. By age 25, most girls realize they want to settle down with a nice guy, not a drunk asshole. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:25 PM Flag
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This. A friend of mine actually commented the other day that on online dating there is a huge difference between girls under 25 and girls over 25. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 07:05 PM Flag
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This is so funny. You are describing me when I was 19. I eventually outgrew my bad boy stage and married a nice guy. I would agree that nice guys lose in those early years, but they become big winners in their late 20s/30s, especially if they make decent money [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:28 PM Flag
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And if they don't make big money? What if the nice guy wants to be a teacher? What's his route to marrying the skinny, pretty girl? Or should he take himself out of the running for them all together and stick with homely girls who are desperate to have the attention of anyone at all? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:30 PM Flag
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Well, the sad fact is...a nice guy who wants to be a teacher probably won't get super hot model chicks. If having a super hot wife is important to him, he should go into investment banking. I know it sounds harsh. I am a woman and I lost 50 pounds when I realized that being overweight was not going to lead to the kind of man I want. It is what it is. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:34 PM Flag
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The nice teacher dude would have good luck with high earning women. Those women aren't looking for a sugar daddy, they just want a nice person with SAHD potential! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:36 PM Flag
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This! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:37 PM Flag
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Because the MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE WORLD is that guys get hot, skinny chicks. There are ONLY skinny hot women and desperate homely women, and that's it, and it's SO SAD that men have to be total mysogynist assholes or they will get the BAD women. Life is JUST SO HARD FOR MEN. It's a wonder they don't all go shooting up movie theaters and classroom and churches with all their rage about how hard life it for them…oh, wait. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:43 PM Flag
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ITTTTA. [ Reply | More ]
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ITTTTA. [ Reply | More ]
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ITTTTA. [ Reply | More ]
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Applauding! [ Reply | More ]
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yes. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 10:39 PM Flag
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You should seek therapy if you don't want to raise mysogynists, since your bitterness is going to ruin your kids. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:33 PM Flag
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Lier. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 10:38 PM Flag
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i teach both my son and daughter to hold doors. the chair thig is, to me, antiquated. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:41 PM Flag
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No, they are very sweet and polite but I think dates should always be split. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 07:02 PM Flag
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Both genders should hold the door! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 07:24 PM Flag
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I teach my son's the same (well not to pull out the chair). There are enough women out there that will apple this treatment so I'm not worried if some women think they're sexist, etc. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 10:47 PM Flag
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DH here. I posted on another thread that when I was dating (less than 5 years ago) I always paid because I didnt want to risk losing a second date and saving money wasnt a huge deal. However, I simply was playing the game by the rules as they existed, not because I agree with them. In this day and age, where many of the women I dated (who were mostly from my Ivy, professional background) make as much or more than I do I dont see any reason why checks should not be split. [ Reply | More ]
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Exactly, this is just common sense (professional female here). [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.03.15, 02:18 AM Flag
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A date is an art , not a science. If a guy wants to make a girl feel appreciated, he should pay. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.03.15, 02:33 AM Flag
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Pro tip: if you really want to impress a girl, you should pay for the date. If you don't care, go ahead and split the check. But know that while it might not detract, it won't earn you any points in her eyes. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.03.15, 02:32 AM Flag
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Im aware, hence why I always paid. However, that doesnt mean I believe it should work that way. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.03.15, 04:31 AM Flag
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A lot of girls still wont date guys who don't pay for dates. They think the guys are too cheap if they don't pay. I will teach my son to pay for dates. And I will tell my DD to move on from cheap guys who expect her to go dutch on dates. [ Reply | More ]
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Makes Joe Scarborough look smart(ish) by comparison. [ Reply | More ]
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Barely. [ Reply | More ]
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They are smart!!! Naps help you live longer and better. [ Reply | More ]
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How do you know they're Mexican. Maybe they are from Guatemala or Peru? Anyone with no neck looks alike [ Reply | More ]
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White ignorant mom from the burbs lacked the proper Geography lessons in HS, she can barely locate her own country in a map. [ Reply | More ]
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The Ecuadorans have a lock on the biz in some areas. [ Reply | More ]
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It's called a siesta for a reason... [ Reply | More ]
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How does it feel to have your business partners turn on you mr trump? [ Reply | More ]
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LOVE Carlos Slim!!! He cut Donald Trump's balls so neatly for everybody to see. No wonder he's the richest man in the world. His English is lacking a bit, his girlfriend is BRILLIANT and very classy: Queen Noor. [ Reply | More ]
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within a year. since insurance will only pay for 1 physical a year you can use a form you used in September for the school [ Reply | More ]
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That is exactly the answer I wanted to hear. [ Reply | More ]
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Within the last year generally [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] I really hated the movie Tangled. Even if that woman wasn't her "real mom", she raised her from the beginning. I thought it was so weird how the girl just abandoned the person who raised her. I also object to the fact that her mother figure was the villain. 29 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:39 PM Flag
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they are going to hate us here...but ditto [ Reply | More ]
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Can you explain your reasoning? Mother Gothel locked Rapunzel in solitary confinement. That's considered torture. She was an abusive mother who only took Rapunzel for Rapunzel's powers. If Rapunzel lost her powers, Mother Gothel would have tossed Rapunzel to the wolves in a minute. What is wrong with you that you consider this mothering? [ Reply | More ]
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She wasn't her mother; she was her kidnapper. [ Reply | More ]
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see I told us so...most people will see it this way. [ Reply | More ]
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So, if someone kidnaps your child as a baby, and raises her, and then in 15 or 20 years is found out, your child should see her as her mother, not you? [ Reply | More ]
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I think that is an overly simplistic read. People don't just stop loving/caring about the person that raised them because they find out they were kidnapped. It isn't a switch you turn off. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 07:02 PM Flag
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But the girl didn't know that until much later. [ Reply | More ]
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But as soon as she found out, she had every reason to see the woman that way and to disregard anything she previously had thought of as "motherly". [ Reply | More ]
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Is this your first Disney movie? ALL mothers in Disney movies are villains or dead. Duh! [ Reply | More ]
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They're all mostly dead, but no other mother has been a villain except for the step mother in Cinderella and that is a different scenario as she did not raise Cinderella. DUH. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:50 PM Flag
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NOT the one in "The Princess & The Frog!" Daddy died in that one. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:01 PM Flag
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also not in Brave [ Reply | More ]
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Almost all the Grimm tales (and associated tales) had an evil or less than desirable mother or stepmother, or MIL for that matter. I think there's been much written about this. What was the purpose of these stories from a psychological standpoint? [ Reply | More ]
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My guess would be that a moral lesson here is, from psychological standpoint, "there is nothing more harmful or hurtful than a mean mother" [ Reply | More ]
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OR: I agree. I think I read something somewhere that there was a strong sense of the "good mother" vs. "bad mother" thing in the old days. Well good grief, that's how it is now. We live in an info age, though, and don't need to be reminded of these things through fiction/stories. [ Reply | More ]
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It was an evil mother. Look, I'm an adoptive mom, so I'm sensitive to this stuff, but Mother Gothal was scripted pretty much as a bad guy irrespective of the whole "real mother" stuff. And besides, Rapunzel was loyal to her until she learned of her deception. All good by me. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:45 PM Flag
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This [ Reply | More ]
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See, I think I would have been ok with the whole thing if Gothal was worse. I didn't think she was bad, she reminded me a lot of my friends' mothers. Self absorbed, selfish, but she took care of her and she did seem to care for her. It just made me feel very mixed emotions. [ Reply | More ]
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did we see the same movie? I didn't see Gothal care for her. She'd waltz in when she needed to re-up her youth and waltz out immediately. She kept her alive, but locked up and the affection is fake. In the traditional fairy tale it's a different story--there seems to be real love there even though she's keeping her shut away from the world. [ Reply | More ]
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I just felt so bad for Rapunzel, who had tried so hard to love a monster of a mother. That's what disturbed me about it. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:56 PM Flag
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But that is very, very typical. Kids try to love their parents--even abusive ones. [ Reply | More ]
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they do. and it's tragic. there's a famous photo of an abused child being taken from her parents and she's reaching back to them with an obviously broken arm. that doesn't mean we shouldn't cheer when the child is finally free of their abuser and in a loving family. [ Reply | More ]
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OP: I found this disturbing also. The whole thing had a lot of elements that made me uncomfortable. [ Reply | More ]
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We have a great annotated fairy tale collection by Maria Tatar and there's a great passage about this in the Rapunzel chapter - how depending on the version and the portrayal of the Mother Gothel figure, Rapunzel's act was either a totally justified escape or an act of betrayal [ Reply | More ]
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Locking her daughter in a tower in order to steal her daughter's powers to selfishly keep her image youthful is not mothering. Mother Gothel deserved what she got. She was evil. If you identify with her, you may want to think about why that is. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:50 PM Flag
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This. [ Reply | More ]
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OP: I actually lost my mother around rapunzels age (in the movie), so I don't identify with Gothal, I indentify with losing a mother figure. [ Reply | More ]
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raised her? Dafuq? She locked her in a tower and never let her socialize with anyone else. She didn't "raise" her. She imprisoned her, and she deserved to die [ Reply | More ]
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because she was abusive. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 07:08 PM Flag
[ - ] Procrastinating, and just googled my ex-fiance's wife. Somehow it was oddly comforting to learn she spent most of her time as a lesbian. He had a very low sex drive himself -- a sore point between us -- so maybe they are right for each other? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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You were engaged to Bill DeBlasio? [ Reply | More ]
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Shoot, I outed myself. :) [ Reply | More ]
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:) [ Reply | More ]
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you KNOW them kids are not his! [ Reply | More ]
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Lol exactly. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:50 PM Flag
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Ask the mayor. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:38 PM Flag
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Or maybe he's having wild threesomes with her and other girls? [ Reply | More ]
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this sounds insane... you "ex' fiancé's wife". As in an ex of someone you are no longer in a relationship with? you sound like a crazy stalker. [ Reply | More ]
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People google other people. That's hardly a big deal. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:47 PM Flag
[ - ] July 4th vent. DH said he didn't think he could come to the beach club friday because of some freelance work he is doing. Suddenly last night he says he is free and wants to go to the club and bring his creepy brother who he just found out yesterday is going to be in town and does not own a bathing suit or a rash guard to cover his weird huge benign tumor (lipoma) coming off his torso which he has elected not to have removed but we could have bought him with proper notice. DH also announced last night he wants to "crash" at my mothers house on LI tonight. She is high maintenance and needs like a month notice before visiting to clean the house and have the housekeeper and does not want to be used as a last minute hotel and DH does not even like her or want to spend time with her. DH cannot make plans ahead of time and I always get stuck as the bitch trying to figure out logistics. 29 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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op: That is just such a weird post I can't believe it is my life. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:31 PM Flag
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Send DH a link to this post & tell him you wrote it. I double dog dare you. [ Reply | More ]
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op: He would hate me for calling his brother creepy but even DH brought up the tumor again last night (and that he would need a rash guard) which I have not even sees but even DH and his dad are really grossed out by it so it must be huge. [ Reply | More ]
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OK, well- for peace in the kingdom, BIL gets to come with his revolting lipoma; but your DH doesn't get to stay with your mother. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:52 PM Flag
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This. [ Reply | More ]
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op: That is fine I just don't get why DH did not know his brother was coming into town and everything is last minute and I am the bitch. Of course I am not dumping our sorry assed last minute on my mother who is a PITA but does like to be a proper hostess. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:41 PM Flag
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Say no. Solved. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:31 PM Flag
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This. Tell them to get a hotel room. [ Reply | More ]
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op: Can't stay at a hotel because his parents live in the same town but the mother is bipolar and in a manic episode and has an anxiety disorder so it is rude to dump on them also and then the family will think my mother is a bitch not to have us and my mom will be angry at me for making her look bad but really DH is just an ass to make ass-backwards plans just 24 hrs ahead. I get stuck in the middle of dealing with some difficult and dysfunctional people. [ Reply | More ]
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and this is why your life is shit - stop worrying about other people and tell dh to be a grown up [ Reply | More ]
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op: I agree but DH is such a feral animal late marrying bachelor who always puts me in the bitch position. [ Reply | More ]
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you have the ability to change that...you do not have to be in the bitch position - stay home and let dh and his brother crash at his moms and they can figure out the rest of the beach/swim stuff [ Reply | More ]
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op: You are right but his second suggestion was go sleep over at his parents on fri night with dc but I said no way because we have friends we are hosting at the club all day saturday (plans set for 1 month) and he and dc are dead feral animals after a night at his parents as they have no AC and thin curtains and wake up at 6 am. At home they sleep until 10 am and are good all day with no nap. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 07:17 PM Flag
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No to crashing at your mother's house. A huge no. Just tell him your mother can't handle it. As to brother and tumor, you'd just have to deal with it. [ Reply | More ]
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op: I don't get why it did not cross his mind that for a day at the pool the brother needs a bathing suit. Why can't they plan beyond 16 hours ahead like animals. [ Reply | More ]
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BECAUSE THEY ARE ANIMALS! Feral, toddler-stage, poopy-pants animals. [ Reply | More ]
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op: They are animals. DH thinks it is insane that middle aged people can't just "crash" with their kid. I try to explain that it is rude and also unnecessary. This is not war time. The brother knew he was coming. Make a f ing plan. DH is from poor background and their parents house is still considered "theirs" so thinks my mother and I are just absolutely insane to expect to make plans give notice for houseguests. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:45 PM Flag
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Are you staying at your mother's house? [ Reply | More ]
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op: Absolutely not. I am not "crashing" at my mothers house with 24 hours notice like it is a hotel. DH does not even like her and has no interest in spending time with her. [ Reply | More ]
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OK. What I was geting at was that I wasn't sure if you were already headed out there yourself, and had made plans to stay at your mom's house, and he wanted to add on to those plans. Given that you had NOT, it makes your position even that much STRONGER. Nobody is calling your mother. And someone can go buy BIL a swim top. [ Reply | More ]
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op: Exactly. and a swim suit too since he does not own one. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:53 PM Flag
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Stay at hotel. Stores are open today and tomorrow. Send dh to get him bathing suit. Can get 2 sizes and return one next week. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:44 PM Flag
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+1 [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:14 PM Flag
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Passive men find competent women to marry. Sad but true. [ Reply | More ]
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op: Thanks. Total incompetence. And so unnecessary to have to have a fight and me be a bitch about this. [ Reply | More ]
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You lost me at weird huge benign tumor... [ Reply | More ]
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op: I have not seen it but that was how it was described to me by DH. Even DH with ZERO vanity cannot understand why he won't get it removed. [ Reply | More ]
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Men don't wear rash guards. It's called a shirt [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 07:27 PM Flag
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It is called a rash guard. When is the last time you have been swimming? Did you wear your v-neck white T-shirt in a country club pool? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 08:32 PM Flag
[ - ] Am I the only one who thinks Eloise is really sad? 4yo DD just got the book and always wants to read it at bedtime but it doesn't really seem like a kids' book to me. 13 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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I always thought that book/series was more geared to adults. DD loves them, though, and it is sort of a fantasy world for her. I remember watching the old Shirley Temple movies growing up and Shirley was always an orphan or had absent parents. It was fascinating to me. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:33 PM Flag
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Everybody in Shirley Temple's world seemed like a pedophile! [ Reply | More ]
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OR: I don't disagree with that! I didn't really realize it until I re-visited the films much later. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:49 PM Flag
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Don't make the mistake of trying to always sanitize your DD's life for nice and sweet. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:35 PM Flag
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AMEN! My mother read me the original (in translation) 1940's edition Brother's Grimm & Hans Christian Andersen stories & I LOVED them. Read them to DD as well starting when she was 3 or so. It's important. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:40 PM Flag
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+1000000000000000000000000000000000 [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:45 PM Flag
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Kids love books with absent parents. It gives them an imaginary world of freedom. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:38 PM Flag
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That is a great observation! [ Reply | More ]
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True, but Eloise still has a guardian -- Nanny. It seems sadder that her mother just abandoned her to her nurse than if she was with the Boxcar Children in the woods somewhere. [ Reply | More ]
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op - I think that's what it is. Also the part about her mom going away with the lawyer who likes martinis. I don't shield DD and in fact we read all the original fairy tales as well and she loves them. I guess I just had a preconceived notion about Eloise and then was surprised by the story when we actually read it. I thought she was going to be more like Fancy Nancy or something. Just surprised me is all! [ Reply | More ]
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Yes, in kids' fiction there is always SOME adult to play that role, but kids totally get the difference between the parent and the nanny. This was Hannah Gruen in Nancy Drew (no way would Nancy's mother have let her go off on all those mysteries), this is Alice on the Brady Bunch--affectionate but not authoritative--etc. [ Reply | More ]
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My 4 year old daughter was shocked by her manners: "But she's 6. She should know better." [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:45 PM Flag
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My DD is named Eloise and she is the happiest kid ever. :-) She doesn't like the books so much though. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:15 PM Flag
[ - ] I think Odd Mom Out is hilarious, but does the rest of the country get the inside jokes? 11 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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If they have read a book or newspaper in the last 10 years, yes. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:29 PM Flag
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i think my dh enjoys it more than i do. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:32 PM Flag
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The jokes are very obvious, Brooklyn moms drink placenta! Upper East Side moms are too posh to push! I don't think there is anyone out there who doesn't know those stereotypes [ Reply | More ]
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+1 [ Reply | More ]
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I like it too but I wish the main character was a bit edgier - a little more rock and roll. She's still too UES. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:39 PM Flag
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I posted yesterday that I think they must get some material from here, urban baby. Of corpse the first response was, "spam". It reminded me of UB With faces [ Reply | More ]
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+1 [ Reply | More ]
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I get the jokes only because of UB. Seriously [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:59 PM Flag
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The jokes are over the top and lame. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:09 PM Flag
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main character is way over acted [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:21 PM Flag
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ITA - I first thought she was kind of weird and endearing, but her over-acting is wearing a bit thin. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:34 PM Flag
[ - ] 38 weeks. Diarrhea. Early labor or too many brownies? 9 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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its not really early. normal [ Reply | More ]
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to clarify: sign of early stage of labor or too many brownies? [ Reply | More ]
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Could be either. Do you have cramps or pressure? GL either way. [ Reply | More ]
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thanks! Some cramping last night. [ Reply | More ]
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eeeeeeewwww.... could be early labor. Only because the body starts cleaning itself before contractions start. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:22 PM Flag
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Magic 8 ball says you will have a baby in next 3 weeks. [ Reply | More ]
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:-) [ Reply | More ]
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Could be or might not. I had around that time too, and my dr said to call if it's a few days, but it could have just been something you have eaten. [ Reply | More ]
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It could be either. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:50 PM Flag
[ - ] Is Orgasm overrated? I hardly do w DH anymore as he always finishes before me. He just can't hold it for more than 10 to 15 min into the act. Is this normal? 21 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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I don't think it's normal, and no, it's not overrated. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:19 PM Flag
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This. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:32 PM Flag
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I think you need to have an orgasm by yourself in the privacy of your own bedroom or bathroom. It is not overrated. You feel relaxed after it. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:21 PM Flag
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I always have to get myself off everytime afterwards. Just wondering if others do this too? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:24 PM Flag
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No. DH only "lasts" 5-10 minutes, so I don't let him move on to PIV until I have had an orgasm. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:32 PM Flag
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I spoke to him about this but he can't help it. btw I can only get off from the thrust action and not finger or oral. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:41 PM Flag
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Put two condoms on him. Or start with a dildo/vibrator, and after you have an orgasm, he can move forward. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:44 PM Flag
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Will try this! Thx [ Reply | More ]
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Yes, pretty much. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:33 PM Flag
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Are you on top? This is pretty much what I need every time. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:34 PM Flag
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Not overrated. But you are responsible for your own pleasure- which can also include speaking up for what you want from him. [ Reply | More ]
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x1000 [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:44 PM Flag
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10-15 mins is unusually long [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:36 PM Flag
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Really so you can orgasm a few min into having sex each time? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:44 PM Flag
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i meant that its long for your DH. Most men finish within 5-7 mins. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:45 PM Flag
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Really? Ex-DH took forever! [ Reply | More ]
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NP: he has to engage in foreplay to get you close or the timing will not be right. [ Reply | More ]
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np - yes, pretty much but I am 48 and have been sexually active since I was 15, I know my body well and after 23 years with my dh he does too and yes, even with a quicky I can usually get off [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:17 PM Flag
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Why doesn't he do oral first? [ Reply | More ]
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if you know it, then get yourself reved up before you start having intercourse - relax into it quickly and let the orgasm take over - who cares when he finishes, if you are not finished, he can move on to oral or keep pumping a bit more until you are done [ Reply | More ]
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Foreplay and lots of it [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:55 PM Flag
[ - ] Who do you want for president in 2016? 32 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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Elizabeth Warren [ Reply | More ]
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^ +1 Yes! [ Reply | More ]
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I am not a fan of her version of populism. [ Reply | More ]
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Jon Stewart [ Reply | More ]
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Clinton [ Reply | More ]
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+1 although this is partly a pragmatic response as I think she's the only Dem who can realistically be elected. [ Reply | More ]
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Bernie but I will settle for Hillary. [ Reply | More ]
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Same. [ Reply | More ]
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Voting for Bernie but refuse to cast a vote for Hillary. She represents the triumph of the oligarchs. [ Reply | More ]
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Dear liberal...Please stop using the word "oligarchs"...You don't know what it means and you overuse it!!! Signed another liberal. [ Reply | More ]
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Dear 2nd liberal - while I think the word is thrown around a bit too much, we're kind of moving in the direction where it's not really wrong. Signed a 3rd liberal. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:38 PM Flag
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Well, if you're in NY your non-vote is irrelevant so make yourself happy. If you're in a swing state, think about what your non-vote could mean for the next 4 years! [ Reply | More ]
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Exactly this. For people in swing states, voting for Bernie will only siphon votes from Hilary and increase the chances of a GOP win. If in NYC, vote for whoever tf you want. Won't matter anyways. [ Reply | More ]
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^^ meant NY state, not NYC. [ Reply | More ]
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Hi sister!!! [ Reply | More ]
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BERNIE YES!!!! [ Reply | More ]
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Bernie and Elizabeth tie [ Reply | More ]
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OBAAAAMMAAAA [ Reply | More ]
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Tom Tancredo [ Reply | More ]
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Bloomberg - don't care what party he represents [ Reply | More ]
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Anyone Jewish.. I want to see what happens after [ Reply | More ]
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I can get behind this. I'm so sick of the US's religious qualification to hold political office. [ Reply | More ]
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Hillary [ Reply | More ]
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I would have voted for her in 2008, but all her actions since then have convinced me she is running for all the wrong reasons, so she has lost her vote with me. [ Reply | More ]
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And who will you vote for instead (in the election, not the primary)? Are Mike Hukabee, Mark Rubio and Jeb Bush running for the right reasons?? [ Reply | More ]
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Hillary doesn't stand for ANYTHING anymore. All she does is take the safe route and go with the direction of the wind. ANYTHING controversial, she is nowhere near. [ Reply | More ]
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PP: ^ precisely. Ever since it came out that she said marriage is only between a man and a woman and pandered to the politics of the times (1990s), and now she will likely change her tune completely just to pander to LGBT voters. Its just so obvious and I really dont find that appealing at all. Yes, all politicians tend to pander to whatever issue the voters care about, but theres a difference between pandering and sticking to your position. Trump is on the other extreme so he's out. I think if Warren ran, I would vote for her. Maybe Jeb Bush but I am not happy about it as I usually lean Democratic/Independent in elections. [ Reply | More ]
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Bloomberg [ Reply | More ]
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+1 [ Reply | More ]
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yuck!!! [ Reply | More ]
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Hillary. Bloomberg if necessary (if he runs, of course). That's it. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:35 PM Flag
[ - ] I just had a very weird experience. Bought a new mac air laptop that arrived by mail yesterday. I set it up last night and then somehow promptly locked myself out setting up passwords. What I wrote down was apparently somehow not what got entered into the laptop. I couldn't find anyway to get back in, so I went off to the apple store nearest where we live and got a genius bar appointment. While making the appointment, they immediately picked up on my last name and asked me if I was related to "Joe Pacinski" (not my DH's name but it's an unusual last name like that. I said yes that's my husband, and the person (a guy) looked shocked. It was very weird. While waiting I texted DH and said "how often do you go to the apple store in X, they seem to know you really well." DH texted back "my phone breaks a lot." I'm not sure what just happened because it's really all just my perception of how shocked the one sales associate seemed. Feeling very strange. 12 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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he was there with another woman [ Reply | More ]
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+1 and perhaps getting phones for his new kids [ Reply | More ]
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that seems a stretch [ Reply | More ]
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I was thinking the associate and he have a thing or it was a man. [ Reply | More ]
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^or maybe the more reasonable response from below: the associate thinks your dh is hot. [ Reply | More ]
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Maybe he crushes on your DH [ Reply | More ]
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OP. Oh, I didn't think of that. It's true my husband is very neat and trim. It's possible [ Reply | More ]
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Maybe it's more than crushing/ [ Reply | More ]
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Definitely strange, but not necessarily damning [ Reply | More ]
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So what do you make of it? [ Reply | More ]
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He probably thought your DH was gay [ Reply | More ]
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He's fencing Apple products abroad. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:42 PM Flag
[ - ] How's your investment doing in the past couple days? Losing money? How much lost? I lost $1100. 15 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:05 PM Flag
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lost 600 : ( [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:09 PM Flag
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If all you lost was $1100, you either did very well or you need to start saving a lot more money. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:14 PM Flag
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$1100 out of $54,000? Is that doing well? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:23 PM Flag
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I only put in mutual funds and ETFs [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:23 PM Flag
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Afraid to look. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:15 PM Flag
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Why? Were you 100% on stocks? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:36 PM Flag
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Don't worry - your husband's check will still clear next week. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:19 PM Flag
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Nothing! I switched to a very conservative allocation with even a few short positions not so long ago. I have a TON in cash. Imho this credit bubble has to pop: China, Puerto Rico, Greece... but another common theme besides from creditors getting hit by debtors who can't pay is also aging societies like Greece finally noticing that the pensions they expected will not really be there for them. I'm trying to learn from their case to apply lessons to ours. Because at the end of the day, even developing countries are facing the exact same issue of not being able to fund aging costs. It will just hit a bit later. I want to be ready when that hits us. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:33 PM Flag
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I made $ I think. My vacation to Europe will end up being cheaper now that Greece defaulted. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:35 PM Flag
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Sure it's down a little but we are still up 2.5-3.0% for the year. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:38 PM Flag
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Was anybody shorting Puerto Rico or Greece? Sounds like shorting China is the right thing to do!!! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:42 PM Flag
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Didn't look but I'm sure my investments are just fine. I have a professional broker who manages my portfolio. Since knowing the markets is his business, I'm sure he foresaw what was going on--was in all the papers--and moved my investments accordingly. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:46 PM Flag
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LMAO Did he do that during the housing bubble? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:08 PM Flag
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Mine are all for retirement, so I don't even bother to look. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:05 PM Flag
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Well done. Same here, auto pilot. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:07 PM Flag
[ - ] s/o Are there are some couples you're surprised are capable of doing the parenting thing (changing diapers, playing, kid clothes shopping, etc.)? I can't imagine some of the single golddiggers on here parenting. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:05 PM Flag
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Yes, expecting a guy to pay for ONE date renders you utterly incapable of being a parent. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:07 PM Flag
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FTW [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:18 PM Flag
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Once they strike gold, then they can hire nannies/staff. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:08 PM Flag
[ - ] What's your plan for this weekend? 16 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:01 PM Flag
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Woodbury commons for summer sale and then Catskills for rest of weekend. BBQ, bubbles and spray kids with a hose. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:03 PM Flag
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woodbury commons will be a zoo this weekend. You wont save anymore money than shopping online sales. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:12 PM Flag
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we are going at opening. I like it for carters and other stuff where the quality is very variable. I need to touch it. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:13 PM Flag
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good luck and be early! Traffic alone is out of your hands. P.S. Carter's website allows returns. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:21 PM Flag
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Yeah but I never manage to return stuff. DH and I will split the kids and hopefully be out of there by 11 AM. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:23 PM Flag
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you're like me. I'm looking at piles of stuff i need to return. Well, not piles, but a quilt set my mom compared to old lady wall paper [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:28 PM Flag
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Movie and Chinatown tomorrow. Probably fireworks on Saturday. Have some work to do too. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:08 PM Flag
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At beach condo. DH our 2kids and my SD, who will basically only help him. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:08 PM Flag
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What's SD? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:09 PM Flag
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NP: I assume it means step daughter. Maybe not. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:12 PM Flag
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Stepdaughter [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:12 PM Flag
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In this case, it's someone who is supposed to be happy to be an unpaid babysitter to a woman she barely knows and doesn't particularly like. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:12 PM Flag
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Oh look, it's the bitter ex wife troll. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:15 PM Flag
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brazil [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:16 PM Flag
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Hosting BBQ at our place on Saturday with friends, going to the beach on Sunday. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:20 PM Flag
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Museum tomorrow. 4th of July kids parade Saturday. Birthday party for friend of DS on Sunday. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:37 PM Flag
[ - ] Longshot: Anyone know anything about the Navy Green condos in Fort Greene? We put in for "moderate income" lottery and waiting to hear... 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 04:57 PM Flag
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SO weird, I was just looking at their website today while on boring conference call. I live a few blocks away. That area is far from the subways, no real stores, but it's changing a lot. And soon Wegman's will open right nearby--yay!! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 04:58 PM Flag
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They're 2 mill! I want one, but I can't afford that and I have a moderate income. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:11 PM Flag
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I know, the Wegmans makes it so much better! The market rate is well beyond us but we qualified for a lottery they held for cheaper ones…just can't shake the feeling that we're going to win. Wish they would indicate how many people entered. I need to stop thinking about it. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 05:27 PM Flag
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Good luck. Some friends have gotten into some moderate income lotteries in Brooklyn, so it DOES happen. That said, there are usually something like 28,000 applications for 25 units... [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:02 PM Flag
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Thanks! We've won lotteries for a couple of moderate-income rentals but have opted not to take them due to neighborhood/school. Not many of them are for owning, or as nice as this one looks! Chances very very slim, I know. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 07.02.15, 06:08 PM Flag
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