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[ - ] I am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of their captivity. But one hundred years later, the Negro still is not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languished in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. And so we've come here today to dramatize a shameful condition. In a sense we've come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the "unalienable Rights" of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note, insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. And so, we've come to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of Now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. Now is the time to make justice a reality for all of God's children. It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. And there will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people, who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice: In the process of gaining our rightful place, we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again, we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny. And they have come to realize that their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall always march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their self-hood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating: "For Whites Only." We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until "justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream."¹ I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow jail cells. And some of you have come from areas where your quest -- quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to South Carolina, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair, I say to you today, my friends. And so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today! I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of "interposition" and "nullification" -- one day right there in Alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today! I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight; "and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together."2 This is our hope, and this is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith, we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith, we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith, we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day. And this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning: My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride, From every mountainside, let freedom ring! And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true. And so let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania. Let freedom ring from the snow-capped Rockies of Colorado. Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California. But not only that: Let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia. Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee. Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring. And when this happens, and when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual: Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!3 0 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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[ - ] Is everyone else's 3yo as obsessed with the xmas cards as mine? She loves looking at the pictures. She's actually been stealing them to hoard in her room. 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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I would hardly call that stealing. [ Reply | More ]
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i remember mine was like that. I actually packed them for the Christmas flight that year - kept her occupied for hours. [ Reply | More ]
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Not 3 yo but still in elementary school. She catches the bus on her own at the end of the driveway. Lately I have found out that if we leave the mail there from the day before she opens all the Christmas cards that are there … reads them … then puts them back into the mailbox opened for me to take out later. [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] There are some angry sounding black people yelling outside my window. 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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Why did you have to mention race? Do it again and I will have you banned [ Reply | More ]
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this [ Reply | More ]
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Race matters. No race is better than another but like Maya Angelou said we can't ignore race we need to celebrate differences. [ Reply | More ]
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Flagged [ Reply | More ]
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Go ahead and flag me. You know what though? It's truth. Racism needs to stop existing for ALL people. Not just one group. ALL people. If a white person or brown person or asian person or whoever person travels anywhere in the world they need to not experience racism. Racism should not be experienced on the entire planet , not just America. All people need to be proactive for improved race relations. We can't side step it and act like we don't see color. The color difference is there, but we need to recognize that it's just a color. It doesn't men they're a different type of human being. And that goes for ALL races. [ Reply | More ]
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I looked out the window and they are black. [ Reply | More ]
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You have that power? I'd like to see. [ Reply | More ]
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That's different. [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] I was in Marshalls the other day and saw the cutest toy trucks from Bruder. As I was examining the logging truck and garbage truck, I wondered whether UB refuses to buy toys like this because they are too "blue collar." I bought the logging truck, but I might go back for the garbage truck. ;) 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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We had that garbage truck! [ Reply | More ]
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Haha. It looks kind of fun! Did DC put trash in it? [ Reply | More ]
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I think UB avoids toys like this because they live in NYC apartments where these toys make noise through the ceilings and piss off the neighbors [ Reply | More ]
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I brought those toys for my son he love them, they are well made. The only draw back is that they are huge. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:33 PM Flag
[ - ] Spin off - i have questions for the mom who met her husband at boarding school .... 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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We met at 12! SO crazy to think of that. Had mutual friends, and met once or twice in those tween years. Flirted a little. Started dating about 5 minutes after we got to St. Paul's. We did break up for two years in college. Found each other again the fall after we graduated college at a party. Went home together that night. We talked all night and kept it platonic since we were both dating other people. Broke up with them the next day. Have now been married for 23 years! [ Reply | More ]
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OK can you tell me more... how common is it for girls to meet their husbands at boarding school, or to source husbands from their boarding school network? [ Reply | More ]
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Not that common. But some of my classmates indeed did [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] Breaking News, US declares war on North Korea. 5 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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Over a movie? That is stupid. Why fuck with a nation that has nuclear weapons? [ Reply | More ]
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Wtf [ Reply | More ]
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OP: I'm sorry. It was joke. Isn't it silly how this is quickly escalating? [ Reply | More ]
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I don't want to go to war. I just hope that North Korea now gets trolled like 4Chan is the new A Team [ Reply | More ]
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For a troll post, this one ain't bad. [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] Please recommend a good but not too expensive Sancerre to serve at a dinner party. 2 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:15 PM Flag
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Pascal Jolivet. Good price at Sherry Lehman. [ Reply | More ]
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+1 [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] How would you respond if you heard your 12-year-old DS refer to another boy in his school as a "stupid fuck**g gayrod"? 18 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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Normal. [ Reply | More ]
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I would force DH to wash his mouth out with CUM [ Reply | More ]
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omg rotflmao [ Reply | More ]
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Lol [ Reply | More ]
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I would wonder how my 12yo had learned such nasty language [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:11 PM Flag
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Really? Do you spend much time with 12-13yo boys? I certainly heard that language in my very preppy, suburban dc, umc middle school. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:36 PM Flag
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he would be in his room, deprived of electronics, from now until Monday morning; out for family meals only. needs to write a 2 page paper on some discrimination topic over the weekend while he is in there. [ Reply | More ]
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does that actually happen at your house? I get the impulse but do you have experience enforcing things like that? [ Reply | More ]
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not yet; dd is 9. she will test me personally, but has never said anything like that -this would be reserved in my house for something like the OP's post - some sort of racism, prejudice or total lack of empathy. I am sure my day will come, but I haven't faced that one yet. [ Reply | More ]
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Do you actually have a 12 yo? [ Reply | More ]
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no. see above. we shall see if I ever implement something like this. [ Reply | More ]
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NP - I do. A 13 year old ds [ Reply | More ]
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I love you! Same in my house and we would have gay dinner guests and have a wonderful conversation too [ Reply | More ]
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I would ask him why he thinks that and where he heard that expression because it's new to me [ Reply | More ]
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That's not very nice. [ Reply | More ]
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Boys are assholes and they love to call other boys faggots because they're insecure. It's the usual "mean boy" nonsense. People harp about mean girls but there is the same shit that happens with boys. [ Reply | More ]
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Boys don't actually usually care anymore who's gay. It's very normal and no one cares. But they are really careless about their language with the 'niggas' and the 'hoors' and the 'sloots' …. but being gay in and of itself is not a big deal at all anymore. My son has 14 year old friends who are out. They don't care. I worry a lot about the other language because they just don't understand that privileged white boys can't just throw around terms like that. But I guess after telling them about that and having school tell them that they are going to do what they are going to do. [ Reply | More ]
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Also I agree with you about the mean stuff boys say to each other. The nicknames are harsh. But the boys are expected to suck it up. They just aren't gay centric. But you can be fat or ugly or short or geeky or have no play with girls and the guys will give you a nickname. Some of them are bad and I shake my head. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:28 PM Flag
[ - ] 6th grade Santa Swap at school - have to bring in wrapped gift of around $5 for boy or girl. Here are my choices from my stash at home: 5-in-1 survival whistle still in package (compass whistle mirror etc); harmonica new in box; 5 pair of new earbuds (I once ordered like 200 from China at $1 apiece and it's my go-to for quickie favors etc.). Which would you choose? 7 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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Survival whistle [ Reply | More ]
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Those are all kind of good. I'm impressed. [ Reply | More ]
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I think a kid would be interested in any of those but as the parent - door #3 please [ Reply | More ]
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all great. [ Reply | More ]
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I picture the whistle being blown once at school before the teacher tells them to put it away. I picture the harmonica being super popular with a lot of kids wanting to try it and swap their germs. Earbuds! [ Reply | More ]
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Oh. Good points [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] Poet mom here! It has been a very busy fall for me, with going back to school and with my DD in her first year of K. However, I've written a holiday poem! (below). I hope you all enjoy and have a lovely season!! xoxo 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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Tis the season of laughter and cheer/I think I'll relax or go out for a beer./I cannot wait to spend time with my kids/I'm slowly forgetting what ex-DH did!/And we will all gather and light up the tree/In bringing good cheer for you and for me! [ Reply | More ]
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Thank you!! [ Reply | More ]
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You've gotten better! [ Reply | More ]
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thanks ladies! xoxoxo [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] For those of you whose DCs took the AABL, how long did it take for the results to come? DC took it Wednesday morning. When should we expect the scores? 1 Reply [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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The score will be available online before you get the email - in our case 24 hours before. We took it on a Monday and it was available on Sunday (email came Monday morning). But it was the week of Thanksgiving. [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] My dc's babysitter sits for him on average 2-4 hours a week at $15/hour--so we pay on average $45/week. How much should her bonus be? 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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$45 [ Reply | More ]
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$200-300, we normally do [ Reply | More ]
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$100 would be generous, IMO [ Reply | More ]
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^but if you love her and would have a hard time replacing her (sounds like odd hours?) then do a bit more [ Reply | More ]
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[ - ] MY DHs 26 year old DD is joining us for Christmas with DH's extended family. DH has 3 sibs-- many cousins to give gifts to. His DD asked me to put her name on the gifts from me, DH, and our two DCs. Is it just me or is this completely inappropriate? By this age, she should be buying her own gifts for the family members. DH disagrees. I'm honestly tired of him standing up for her. She is an adult. Please chime in. 24 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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I'm 40 yo, and my mom still puts my name on gifts for my cousins from her side of the family (even though I never see them). This is what families do. [ Reply | More ]
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Here we go with "They are an adult the minute they turn 18," like with the European trip post. Is she someone who spends a lot of time with you (is she local)? I can go either way on this depending on the situation. [ Reply | More ]
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A year ago she moved to another state. Before that, she was around quite a bit. [ Reply | More ]
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Kid is 26, not 20...and that is not a child. [ Reply | More ]
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I've always been sympathetic to the challenges that stepmothers face, but this is the sort of post that makes you remember there are valid reasons why children sometimes hate their stepmother. [ Reply | More ]
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This. [ Reply | More ]
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+1. And how old is the DH??? Jesus, you broads that marry old dudes are gross. [ Reply | More ]
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OP: He is not old. Under 50. [ Reply | More ]
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you are giving family gifts and she is part of your DH's family. Nice that she cares enough to want to be on the gifts at all. No one is under the impression that she is paying for the gifts if hat is your issue, and 26 year olds don't have enough money to give gifts to lot of counsins. [ Reply | More ]
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No: but they are ADULTS and can give small gifts...I always did.. [ Reply | More ]
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Who ever said she won't give small gifts? [ Reply | More ]
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how many cousins did you have? I have 26 first cousin on one side. any gift I ever gave them, aside from wedding gifts after I turned 25 and started working (went to law school after college) was a family gift. [ Reply | More ]
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and, also, newsflash, no one will mistakenly think she paid for it. [ Reply | More ]
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Yes, and they will think much better than if stepbitch leaves off the 26 YO name [ Reply | More ]
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You should not have married a guy with a kid. [ Reply | More ]
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Exactly. Get over it or find someone with no baggage [ Reply | More ]
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Another useless stepbitch post [ Reply | More ]
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LOL, Stepbitch, have to remember that. [ Reply | More ]
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Are you the same SM who has been complaining here every other day. YES, lunatic, put her name on it. [ Reply | More ]
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Just because she is over 26 does not mean she is no longer part of your dH's family. You need to accept that. [ Reply | More ]
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What is the big deal about putting her name on it? Do you hate her that much? [ Reply | More ]
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this [ Reply | More ]
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In our family the cousins do not give each other gifts. There are just too many. [ Reply | More ]
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You have a screw loose. Is this so important to you that you would piss off your DH? What is the big deal, she is part of his family, put her name on it. Maybe you and DH should keep all separate funds since you are so big on everyone pulling their own weight. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:26 PM Flag
[ - ] Saw a mom at pick up today wearing her mink coat hoodie. Thoughts? I kinda liked it. Am I gross? 6 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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Get a faux one. Real fur is a pain to take care of anyway. [ Reply | More ]
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+1 can confirm [ Reply | More ]
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are you second guessing the look or the wearing of fur? [ Reply | More ]
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I LOVE those soft rabbit vests but I can't bring myself to get one (not that I could afford it really). They are amazing...but also made of bunnies. [ Reply | More ]
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link? [ Reply | More ]
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Your choice, but not really my thing. If it's a hoodie, I'll take my big college hooded sweatshirt. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:06 PM Flag
[ - ] I know broadly that more yuppies are staying in cities and fewer are choosing the suburbs, but do you think that will hold true in NY metro area? What will Westchester/other suburbs be like in 10-20 years? 8 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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Better burbs, more Asian. Not so good burbs, more Hispanic. Other than that about the same. [ Reply | More ]
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As long as they are Americanized it should be fine. [ Reply | More ]
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I know that Bronxville is on the decline. [ Reply | More ]
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Not clear that your premise is true. Singles and childless couples clearly prefer central cities but a casual reader of UB can see that once children come into the picture, suburbs become much more attractive for many families. NYC under Giuliani and Bloomberg produced lots of public school options to try to keep middle and upper middle class families from leaving but most other big cities have far fewer choices to offer. [ Reply | More ]
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Not clear that your premise is true. Singles and childless couples clearly prefer central cities but a casual reader of UB can see that once children come into the picture, suburbs become much more attractive for many families. NYC under Giuliani and Bloomberg produced lots of public school options to try to keep middle and upper middle class families from leaving but most other big cities have far fewer choices to offer. [ Reply | More ]
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NJ burb here. It's Brooklyn redux out here. People are choosing the city until they have to go to K or have 2nd DC. Then things get complicated. [ Reply | More ]
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There is a sorting, the wealthiest dads will increasingly choose to stay in Manhattan and raise their families there. The families that are ok, but not super wealthy will continue to move to Darien Scarsdale and Bronxville [ Reply | More ]
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There is a huge racial aspect to this. Affluent whites are almost all SWPL types looking for a walkable zesty neighborhood. Affluent Asians just want cookie cutter suburbia and as such Scarsdale and Darien will become all asian [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:13 PM Flag
[ - ] What's the best ethically(no sweatshop) made clothing besides American Apparel or Everlane? TIA. 4 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
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abercrombie and fitch [ Reply | More ]
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Anything made in the USA. [ Reply | More ]
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check out brandnewusa.com they feature only brands made in the usa [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:02 PM Flag
[ - ] We are lucky enough to belong to a community with an excellent public library. My DD (6yo) loves this library and could spend hours there, so we had her birthday party there this past weekend. We brought in a cake, I came up with some games to play in the lobby, and each kid was allowed to check out a book. DD just came home in tears because other kids told her that her party was 'lame'. I'm so angry and want to speak to their parents...kids are so cruel :( 56 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:51 PM Flag
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how do you make sure that the other kids return the books? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:54 PM Flag
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I put a note to parents in the goodie bags reminding them to. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:56 PM Flag
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lol [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:00 PM Flag
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Kids can be little s**ts, and it doesn't get better. When DD was 13, the girls used to come to school on Monday with their "I went to ________ 's Bat Mitzvah" sweatshirts and point them out to the kids who hadn't been invited. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:57 PM Flag
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Eww. Stupid to hand these things out and exclude others. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:15 PM Flag
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Wow. Actually, the parents are being shits for distributing the sweatshirts and enabling that behavior. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:24 PM Flag
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I'm sorry but this is a lame party. and playing games in the library? how rude [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:58 PM Flag
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Focus on your daughter and talk to her about her feelings and how much she loves the library, which is great. Those other kids don't share the same love of libraries, which is OK too. It is not nice that they called it "lame", but it is ok that some people didn't like the library. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:58 PM Flag
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this is when you tell your kid that there will always be critics in the world and she needs to believe in herself. if she had fun, then the party was a great party because she was the birthday girl. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:59 PM Flag
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Fortunately, she's about to age out of the kind of parties where you have to invite everyone. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:00 PM Flag
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This sounds like a very sweet party - but I have to admit I would be so annoyed if my dd brought home another errand for me in a gift bag. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:05 PM Flag
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lol. me too! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:11 PM Flag
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It was lame. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:06 PM Flag
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you are so rude. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:07 PM Flag
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She needs to know the truth so she doesn't make this mistake again next year. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:11 PM Flag
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np. my 6yo DD had her party at one of those makeover places. is she ok? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:14 PM Flag
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Are you dead set on raising an unpopular nerd? A library party sounds really lame. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:09 PM Flag
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she really wanted a party at her karate studio, but i nixed that. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:09 PM Flag
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Oh boy. GL to your dd. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:13 PM Flag
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Is this Ok to do in a library? didn't it cause noise and crumbs? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:12 PM Flag
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they did ask us to quiet down several times, but i just explained several times we were trying to share DD's love of books with the other children. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:13 PM Flag
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fake. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:13 PM Flag
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^above poster is not me (OP). we played the games in the lobby area so as not to bother library patrons. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:14 PM Flag
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I am going to pee in my pants at the thought of this. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:14 PM Flag
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ha! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:15 PM Flag
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This. OP sounds cheap and entitled. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:16 PM Flag
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I am so sorry. I am really a nice person. But this post is making me chuckle on so many levels. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:13 PM Flag
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why? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:13 PM Flag
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Sounds like the cheapest party you could possibly throw. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:14 PM Flag
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lol but op brought a cake!!! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:15 PM Flag
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Cheapest party I saw- food court at a mall! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:26 PM Flag
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LOL what?? did the hosts even buy the kids food? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:34 PM Flag
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Jesus, woman. A party at a fucking LIBRARY?? I don't care how "excellent" the library is-- that is no place for a party. No wonder your kid got teased. Why didn't you just order a pizza and let them play these "games" at home? And to top it off, the parents now have to go out of their way to return the book? Yuck. I would be cursing you under my breath if my DC went to that lame party. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:15 PM Flag
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I also offered the parents to drop books off at my house and I would return them. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:18 PM Flag
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Still more trouble than it's worth. F U, that sucks! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:20 PM Flag
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I thought it was a nice party favor for the kids. am I missing something here? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:21 PM Flag
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a favor is something you keep and don't have to return. a $3.99 book would have been fine. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:25 PM Flag
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Yes. A favor is something the recipient gets to keep. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:27 PM Flag
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I would rather have my kids spend time at a library than someone's home just hanging out. enriching and cultural. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:19 PM Flag
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Couldn't you have taken over the story room or something? Even my not excellent public library has one of those. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:16 PM Flag
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LOL that's because the party WAS lame. Ugh, seriously. I would make fun of you and your DD, too [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:17 PM Flag
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This reminds me of a party my DS was invited to at a museum. There was free admission and it wasn't even a fun 'kid' type of museum. The parents basically just herded the boys around--my DS told me he couldn't wait to come home. oh and no food was served except a cake afterwards. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:17 PM Flag
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I have never cried "fake" on a UB post, but I am here! But I am also laughing so hard my eyes are tearing. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:18 PM Flag
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Next year maybe you could have the party at the Chamber of Commerce. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:19 PM Flag
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OMG! I am hyperventilating this is so funny! [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:21 PM Flag
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LOL! This. Cleverest response ever. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:21 PM Flag
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how would i go about arranging this? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:23 PM Flag
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I was on a call at work and had to mute it because I couldn't stop myself from laughing out loud. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:23 PM Flag
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I'm reserving the Better Business Bureau for 2015. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:25 PM Flag
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I mean, MAYBE a "story time" party for a toddler, but a first grader??? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:21 PM Flag
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she loves the library and wanted to go there with her friends. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:22 PM Flag
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Nerd alert [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:23 PM Flag
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I'm sorry-- are you or DD on the spectrum? So socially clueless. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:23 PM Flag
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I really resent this. neither she nor i are. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:34 PM Flag
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So fake. What library would allow food to be served like that? [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:23 PM Flag
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It's not like we asked in advance [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:34 PM Flag
[ - ] Suburban SAHMs: what's the minimum HHI/DH salary needed for you to stay home? 26 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:51 PM Flag
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Depends on the suburb [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:52 PM Flag
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Suburbs of Los Angeles require the husband to make 300 k so that wife can stay home [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:52 PM Flag
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Suburbs of Memphis require 80k so that wife can stay home [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:52 PM Flag
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I am in the suburbs of LA. I make $135 and my DH stays home. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:53 PM Flag
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Sorry, 135K. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:54 PM Flag
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Well, depends on the suburb. We have close friends in Malibu, Brentwood, and Pacific Palisades and NONE of them could stay home without husband making 300k plus [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:03 PM Flag
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Very true, but most LA residents don't really consider the west side to be suburbs. They are of course, but not the places that the word normally brings to mind. People get mad at me for calling my city (Pasadena) a suburb. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:05 PM Flag
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Well I like Pasadena. It is dramatically cheaper to live in Pasadena as compared to west side [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:08 PM Flag
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This is the way I explain Los Angeles to New Yorkers. If you want to spend the absolute least ammt of money move to Palmdale or Lancaster. Both are dirt cheap, but skanky [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:09 PM Flag
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A little more expensive is Camarillo - very nice suburb but a long drive from the fun stuff [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:09 PM Flag
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On the other hand if you have an unlimited budget, the very best places to live are Malibu Colony and Manhattan Beach Strand. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:10 PM Flag
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But close to Santa Barbara and that area's wine country. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:10 PM Flag
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You can get cheap without having to go as "skanky" as those areas. We have a lot of friends in Chino Hills. It's a terrible commute to LA, but really safe with excellent public schools. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:12 PM Flag
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I agree. You can choose TWO of the following : good public schools, easy commute to downtown. Cheap. you willnever ever get all three [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:14 PM Flag
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Oh I love it. Public schools aren't great (except South Pasadena), but that isn't a concern for my family. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:11 PM Flag
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Depends. NYC burb can be as low as 100k if you are smart with $$ from the beginning [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:54 PM Flag
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+1 I've been SAH for almost nine years now, and DH's current salary of $150K is the most he's made. In the years before we had kids, we still chose to live in DH's income alone (because we planned that I would eventually SAH), so we banked my $100K salary back then. We have plenty of savings and have paid off our house. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:08 PM Flag
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this is us. I SAH. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:36 PM Flag
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I just had the urge to stab myself in the eye. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:56 PM Flag
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this depends on so many things...your lifestyle, housing costs, etc. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:57 PM Flag
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It wasn't what he made so much as how little there was of how little I made after day care for two plus taxes. I was basically working full-time to clear like 15K or something and that was the turning point. I haven't worked now in over 20 years. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:04 PM Flag
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+1. My 60K salary did not compute. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:11 PM Flag
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Just curious if you're a younger mom - what does full time day care (like 40 hours) cost these days? It was about 14K 20 years ago/not NYC [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:17 PM Flag
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There are many, many U.S. suburbs where wives SAH although husbands make tiny salaries, because what they could make would not cover daycare. Also true for rich households where wives are in low, paying, artsy careers. It's not all about DH's salary. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:10 PM Flag
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The nice suburbs of MANY cities are dirt cheap. For example, West Hartford is the nice suburb of hartford. West hartford is filled with cultured highly educated and sophisticated people and the houses cost one sixth of what an identical house costs in bronxville. Check it out. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:15 PM Flag
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of you exclude NY, Boston, DC, and the West coast, America is a dirt cheap country. in America you can buy a super nice house on just the husband's salary [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:16 PM Flag
[ - ] i'm bored -- both dcs at play dates. read paper, paid bills -- what to do now? 3 Replies [ Reply | Watch | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 09:47 PM Flag
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Go on UB? [ Reply | More ]
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push ups [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:36 PM Flag
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Masturbate. [ Reply | More ]
General Topics 12.19.14, 10:37 PM Flag
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