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07.19.17, 08:25 PM
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07.19.17, 08:26 PM
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WHy?
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07.19.17, 08:26 PM
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Why not???? Or did he say something negative?
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07.19.17, 08:28 PM
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Ok go tour Harvard take and Princeton with your 17 year old and post it. Make him look like an idiot when he doesn't get it.
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07.19.17, 08:31 PM
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Get what?
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07.19.17, 08:34 PM
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huh? the campus is gorgeous. Tourists go there and post on facebook!
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07.19.17, 08:28 PM
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With a kid who is going into senior year
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07.19.17, 08:31 PM
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judgey much?
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07.19.17, 08:30 PM
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OP is just jealous.
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07.19.17, 08:31 PM
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Yes I'm jealous of her kids who couldn't even get into the gifted program in their public school.
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07.19.17, 08:33 PM
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Oh who cares. Don't be such a bitch. they're having fun.
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07.19.17, 08:31 PM
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thank god we have you to police facebook for us
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07.19.17, 08:32 PM
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People put photos of their dinner on Facebook.
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07.19.17, 08:33 PM
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07.19.17, 08:24 PM
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Because SAHMs don't have nannies?
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07.19.17, 08:25 PM
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A number of them do. Regardless, I think that most people recognize their is value in a capable person watching their D.C..no? Or is it society just doesn't value taking care of children from a monetary stance?
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07.19.17, 08:28 PM
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Capable doesn't always mean educated American-born.
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07.19.17, 08:29 PM
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True. Many foreign born individuals are far more capable than Americans in many jobs.
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07.19.17, 08:33 PM
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because we have budgets we need to stick to. and i haven't seen any correlation between an educated nanny and a capable one.
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07.19.17, 08:32 PM
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07.19.17, 08:16 PM
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How do you feel about Mohammed and Danielle?
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07.19.17, 08:18 PM
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I'm not sure that's the season I'm watching. This is the one with the executive assistant girl who met a medic in Israel, the 58 year old divorced guy with the 19 year old from the Philippines, the clearly closeted gay kid from Utah and the Russian girl he met on his mission in Prague, and the nurse who found her groove and picked up a hot lifeguard in Jamaica.
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07.19.17, 08:22 PM
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Lol- Oh okay I believe you'll see them on season 4. Love this show!
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07.19.17, 08:23 PM
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Thank you for pointing it out to me. I was a little gun shy after the 1st season of Married at First sight was so depressing but I'll go with this one. I love that there are 2 seasons available for free. Gracias my UB friend!
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07.19.17, 08:26 PM
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Yes :) and don't get me started on Married at first sight...gave me so many headaches.
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07.19.17, 08:29 PM
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Where do you watch it?
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07.19.17, 08:20 PM
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I found it on demand in the TV Shows A-C, but looks like it's a TLC show
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07.19.17, 08:25 PM
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Yup TLC
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07.19.17, 08:25 PM
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TLC and Bravo really have it going on when it comes to the shows they are good at. A&E needs to catch up. Their Amish shows and Duck Dynasty = snooze
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07.19.17, 08:31 PM
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ugh caught the clip of the Russian gold digger and the overweight guy- so sad. Who falls for that crap?
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07.19.17, 08:32 PM
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07.19.17, 08:09 PM
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Oh no - I am so sorry. Mine stopped after my kids were born. I can't imagine dealing with it postpartum.
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07.19.17, 08:13 PM
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Oh gosh. Idk if it has anything to do with me having my 2 babies so close together but it sucks so bad. :( I'm 10 weeks postpartum now.
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07.19.17, 08:15 PM
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07.19.17, 08:04 PM
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Are you also his assistant?
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07.19.17, 08:07 PM
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My boss is a she, this girl is her assistant. I am a department head.
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07.19.17, 08:07 PM
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Sorry about that. How idiotic of me to assume your boss was a man. In any event, I don't understand why a dept head would work on a project together in this way. I would not piss off my boss' admin.
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07.19.17, 08:19 PM
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You are head of a department and micromanaging the emotional life of someone else's assistant?
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07.19.17, 08:10 PM
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Her emotional life is non of my business, but she's obviously still really angry with me and I a) feel bad and b) want it to stop interfering with our work
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07.19.17, 08:11 PM
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You claim you were professional and nice, if so...do nothing. If you really were not, that is another story. Can you imagine a Male Dept Head trying to accommodate her unprofessional behavior? No. So, why should you. Do your work and ignore her attitude.
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07.19.17, 08:15 PM
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If you were a man, you would not even be aware she is being cold
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07.19.17, 08:13 PM
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You could confront it head on: "I noticed that you seemed upset after our meeting the other day. Is something wrong?" Or you can make an effort to be a bit friendlier than usual. Or you can ignore it altogether and figure that someday she'll either get over it or quit.
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07.19.17, 08:18 PM
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Can you explain why a department head and an admin were given the same assignment? And then made to square off? Something is missing here. Did she treat it like a social exercise additional to bet admin role and you treated it like professional research project?
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07.19.17, 08:24 PM
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Don't confront. It will feel better for a minute and then get even more comfortable. Just pretend you are oblivious and it will eventually pass.
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07.19.17, 08:25 PM
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I mean uncomfortable, obviously
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07.19.17, 08:25 PM
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Quick story from 20 years ago: My very tough male boss saw one of my young female staffers crying at work one day. He marched into my office and bellowed "If these girls keep crying at work I'm only going to allow you to hire men in the future!" It was too good to keep to myself so I shared it at the next staff meeting. Got a good laugh. And no more crying.
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07.19.17, 08:31 PM
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07.19.17, 08:01 PM
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Ughhhhh, dinner. Every. Damn. Night.
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07.19.17, 08:02 PM
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I know right. So pizza tonight
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07.19.17, 08:03 PM
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11 Madison Park
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07.19.17, 08:02 PM
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Pretty impressive seeing as they are closed.
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07.19.17, 08:20 PM
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Probably nothing. I don't eat anymore.
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07.19.17, 08:02 PM
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Our typical Wed at Sant Ambroes
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07.19.17, 08:02 PM
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buratta starter
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07.19.17, 08:03 PM
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Plain pasta.
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07.19.17, 08:03 PM
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Baked sweet and spicy salmon with garlic green beans and broccoli
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07.19.17, 08:03 PM
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beans AND broccoli?
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07.19.17, 08:05 PM
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Yes. We like to have options + I always cook more than I need to so I don't have to cook the following day.
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07.19.17, 08:10 PM
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np: why is his strange? I make 2 or 3 vegetables with a protein each night
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07.19.17, 08:14 PM
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Sound good to me. Two options for veggies.
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07.19.17, 08:17 PM
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Picking up some falafel sandwiches/salad because we have some things to do tonight.
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07.19.17, 08:04 PM
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I didn't indulge my crap chow mein craving so I'm making Trader Joe's orange chicken. I'll serve it with rice and some stir fried vegetables. I promise I normally prepare real food for my family.
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07.19.17, 08:06 PM
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This sounds like real food to me!
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07.19.17, 08:11 PM
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Thanks - I usually try not to buy prepared foods, but I'm cutting myself some slack these days.
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07.19.17, 08:17 PM
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It's ok, I'm sure you work hard and deserve a break!!
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07.19.17, 08:19 PM
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You sound draining. Do you always need so much validation?
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07.19.17, 08:32 PM
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An Aristocrat chicken pot pie!
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07.19.17, 08:07 PM
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what is that?
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07.19.17, 08:17 PM
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Just a local farm operation that makes really good pot pies. I buy several at a time and keep them in the freezer.
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07.19.17, 08:18 PM
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Tapas with girlfriends
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07.19.17, 08:08 PM
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Something chicken-ish
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07.19.17, 08:12 PM
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Making Risotta with farm fresh tomatoes and butter, grilled filet mignon on the grill, and a freekah salad with parsley, lemon, cucumbers from the farm. In the hamptons here
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07.19.17, 08:12 PM
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so in a less descriptive manner meant to sound a but uppity, steak, risotto, and cucumber salad
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07.19.17, 08:16 PM
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LOL, I think I like your description better.
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07.19.17, 08:20 PM
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pasta and roasted kale
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07.19.17, 08:14 PM
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^^oh and salad
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07.19.17, 08:15 PM
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Grilled chicken, sweet potatoes, kale salad with peaches
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07.19.17, 08:18 PM
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I don't know. I'm 36 weeks pregnant, not cooking shit.
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07.19.17, 08:21 PM
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Hang in there!
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07.19.17, 08:23 PM
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I was you at 36 week lol. My mom cooked and I just ate. Couldn't be bothered to cook anything at all. You're almost there :)
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07.19.17, 08:27 PM
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I was you at 36 week lol. My mom cooked and I just ate. Couldn't be bothered to cook anything at all. You're almost there :)
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07.19.17, 08:27 PM
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Flank steak on the grill, salad, garlic bread
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07.19.17, 08:22 PM
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07.19.17, 07:48 PM
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have to be approved
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07.19.17, 07:50 PM
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For private clubs, usually sponsored and then interviewed.
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07.19.17, 07:50 PM
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Some are very hard to get into with expensive buy-ins. Others are simply happy to sign you up.
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07.19.17, 07:50 PM
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What are you hiding?
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07.19.17, 07:53 PM
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lol. nothing. not applying. Just curious.
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07.19.17, 07:56 PM
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At mine you have to get two members to propose you. Then you go for an interview with the board and then your name gets posted and if any members have concerns about you joining they can let the board know of their concern. Once you get through all that and you pay your membership fee you're in
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07.19.17, 07:59 PM
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Golf clubs have been in secular decline. Only a declining number require sponsorship and member approval.
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07.19.17, 08:10 PM
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Not all country clubs are just golf clubs, some don't even have golf
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07.19.17, 08:12 PM
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07.19.17, 07:46 PM
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Maybe his feelings are valid. We need more information about the dynamics in your relationship. Is he under a lot of pressure? Do you do fun things together? How many kids? Ages? Etc.
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07.19.17, 07:48 PM
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2 kids, high stress job, past history of depressive episodes (one about 5 years ago), uses alcohol to deal with stress (not an alcoholic but self medicates to the point it is harmful). We both work but he makes more which creates a lot of pressure, I think he thinks I like he lifestyle which adds the
Pressure and blame but I'd rather have less $ and have him be happy
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07.19.17, 07:53 PM
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ok, so, this helps. I'm in the same place as your DH (but a wohm). I am extremely angry w my DH.
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07.19.17, 07:56 PM
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What makes you angry? The pressure? What could he do to help the situation? I want my DH to know I am on his side, I think in may have given him the impression that because in like out lifestyle and home that all he is good for is the paycheck. It isn't true, I am happy with my life but it is nothing without him.
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07.19.17, 08:01 PM
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So, it's going to be a bit different b/c I'm sure there are different things at play. But it's the helplessness of the situation that makes me angry. And it makes me angry that he can't be a better partner. In almost every way. What makes it worse, is that he doesn't appreciate or even know what I do on a day-to-day basis and then tries to tell me that he does so much (as if emptying the dishwasher somehow equals making 75% of the money, taking care of all child related things and paying all the bills and planning for all family activities, etc.). I also feel like DH has always had the benefit of being able to pursue dreams and interests while I have only been able to pursue a paycheck (someone has to pay for the house/food). I don't see any end in sight. I'm going to be on this hamster wheel for the next 25 years. And, I hate him for it. I get no time to myself bc he can't handle the kids. Couple that with a few older problems and yeah, I feel very fed up.
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07.19.17, 08:12 PM
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Thanks, this is helpful. I do most kid things but I also have a flexible schedule which allows me to workout during my lunch break and I know he hates that because he has zero time to himself. I try and help him find ways to get time to do things for himself but I think he sees that as me controlling him. It is a no win situation right now, I can look for another job but then we have to outsource a ton more stuff so the financial pressure is greater.
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07.19.17, 08:23 PM
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He resents you and the fact that you have an easier life and get to enjoy time with the kids and time to yourself. No advice, but that's how I imagine he feels.
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07.19.17, 08:27 PM
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NP Also angry and depressive. Get a sitter. Go to the park and have a picnic. Discuss what sort of life would make you both happy. What does he really want out of life. Prepare something that makes it CRYSTAL clear to him that you want a less stressful and luxurious lifestyle (if that is really the case - don't lie) and discuss a plan to get yourselves from where you are now to there.
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07.19.17, 08:13 PM
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Thanks, we have always had a long term plan for me to ramp up and him scale back but my income has been slow to rise so we aren't there yet. But maybe in need to let him know we can explore other options instead, move somewhere cheaper and split responsibilities more evenly
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07.19.17, 08:34 PM
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Np: I was in a similar position except our Incomes are more like 60 / 40 (he makes more). I was tired of him constantly using me (not directly but he implied it) as the reason for his misery. I came up with a plan for him to stay at home or go part time and explained exactly how we could afford and Implenent it. He hasn't taken me up on that but it helped relieve some of his anxiety, I think.
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07.19.17, 08:27 PM
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If he wants to leave, let him leave. Once he's on his own he'll have better perspective on whether you are or aren't the cause of all his problems. If he saying he's going to end his life, call 911.
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07.19.17, 07:53 PM
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Sound advice
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07.19.17, 08:00 PM
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I'd tell him you fully support him and if needs space to take it.
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07.19.17, 08:00 PM
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reach out to his therapist and tell her that you are starting to be scared that he is developing suicidal thoughts. she can't tell YOU anything, but YOU can tell her what you like. she can then either address with him or she can tell him he needs psych evaluation.
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07.19.17, 08:20 PM
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His therapist should be reachable and have someone covering. Mine would never leave someone in that state without a plan. Can you reach him/her?
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07.19.17, 08:30 PM
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07.19.17, 07:46 PM
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YSL gold stick concealer
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07.19.17, 07:47 PM
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the best
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07.19.17, 07:47 PM
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Called touche éclat
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07.19.17, 07:49 PM
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yes!
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07.19.17, 07:52 PM
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Tarte Shape Tape or Makeup forever full cover concealer.
To set both concealers you can use the Laura Mercier translucent setting powder
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07.19.17, 07:50 PM
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Note: to ensure it doesn't crease you need to do one under-eye at a time. Apply concealer and set immediately.
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07.19.17, 07:51 PM
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Tarte Shape Tape is super cakey and dry. I used the tiniest dot (hard to do since the applicator is MASSIVE). Make sure you buy it from a place where you can easily return it!
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07.19.17, 08:19 PM
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Not my experience with it but ok!
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07.19.17, 08:25 PM
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Honestly I just use this and it works great for me (aka raccoon eyes): Maybelline instant-age-rewind-eraser-dark-circle-treatment-concealer
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07.19.17, 08:17 PM
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I like this, too. Not a big fan of the sponge tip applicator (looks grungy), but it doesn't cake on me and works pretty well.
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07.19.17, 08:20 PM
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Cle de Peau ...awesome concealer
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07.19.17, 08:20 PM
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Rip off! Trust me, no one needs a $70 concealer. The $6 Maybelline concealer mentioned above works just as well or better.
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07.19.17, 08:27 PM
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This isn't an answer but I had filler there and it was life changing.
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07.19.17, 08:31 PM
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You must have nothing going on with your life that a bit of filler under your eyes would change your life.
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07.19.17, 08:32 PM
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07.19.17, 07:40 PM
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Rhinebeck:
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07.19.17, 07:40 PM
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Ulster County:
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07.19.17, 07:40 PM
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Con: far drive Pro: cheap real estate
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07.19.17, 07:54 PM
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Pro cheap real estate, more laid back than many areas con: if you want "culture" not so much - piano summer at New Paltz and some very good restaurants but not much
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07.19.17, 08:04 PM
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Dutchess County:
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I grew up in Dutchess County. Rhinebeck is N. Dutchess Co. Very pretty. A nice house with a pool in lower Dutchess would be very nice. I'm partial to a few towns. Not a fan of Beacon although others would say they love it now. Fair share of wineries and restaurants but you have to drive to get to them. Not a lot in the way of shopping. Big mix of people - a lot of pick up trucks.
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07.19.17, 07:46 PM
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Oh the horror!
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07.19.17, 07:50 PM
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It's not to me, because I grew up there, blue collar. But it's definitely indicative of a different socio economic status quo than the city. Just trying to set the scene for OP - it's not the Hamptons.
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07.19.17, 07:52 PM
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I appreciate it : ) OP
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07.19.17, 07:54 PM
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Yes. Pros--quiet, no scene, gorgeous light, fantastic old farmhouses, good horse community. Con--economically depressed, very pro gun, not at all diverse, dreadful schools, your nice house is likely to be next door to a tailer with a rusted car dump.
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07.19.17, 08:13 PM
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Hudson NY:
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07.19.17, 07:40 PM
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North Fork:
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07.19.17, 07:41 PM
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I rented in here. The area is lovely but the beaches are rocky and horrible. If you are looking for a "beach" house this is not your place
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07.19.17, 07:43 PM
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Depends on where you go. Some of the beaches are really lovely, sandy and quiet.
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07.19.17, 07:53 PM
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OP- I grew up on stunning Mediterranean beaches so I understand what OR is saying ; ) No Atlantic beach can compare : )
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07.19.17, 07:55 PM
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Well I'm not saying its the Med - just that not all the beaches are rocky. The ones on the bay side in East Marion for example are quiet and nice.
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07.19.17, 07:56 PM
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Cons: Far drive, expensive real estate and taxes Pro: Lovely atmosphere, bay beaches have calm waters, nice vibes, not too posh for their own good like hamptons, other things to do there beside beach
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07.19.17, 07:55 PM
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Nyack or Piermont:
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07.19.17, 07:41 PM
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Palisades:
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07.19.17, 07:41 PM
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That's a strange place for a weekend home
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07.19.17, 08:13 PM
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Amagansett:
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07.19.17, 07:41 PM
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Litchfield CT:
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07.19.17, 07:51 PM
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Pro: Quiet. Things to do (lake swimming, tennis, kayaking in the summer/skiing, hiking in the winter). If you are willing to drive 30 minutes out of your way there are small restaurants. Cons: If you don't like driving the two hours to get there, you're going to hate it.
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07.19.17, 07:55 PM
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Are there lots of ticks in the area?
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07.19.17, 07:56 PM
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in litchfield county, not the town though. no traffic getting up there is a big pro.
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07.19.17, 08:08 PM
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Fairfield County, CT
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07.19.17, 07:57 PM
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07.19.17, 07:39 PM
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My dd has a lot of summer homework for her middle school. I used to ask her daily to read and do her work. Now I stopped. I just ask her one question: "Are you ready for the first day of school?". It allows her to do what she needs to do without me nagging.
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07.19.17, 07:41 PM
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I took them traveling outside the country and taught them the value of learning to get out of your comfort zone at home. Meet people who are different from you and try new things; see how differently people can live. All of my kids have always been super independent. Now I have one who currently lives overseas and also wants to live there after college.
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07.19.17, 07:49 PM
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he has to pack his own school bag - heck, at my school just carrying his own bag is a success
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07.19.17, 07:53 PM
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I'm teaching my 7 yo how to cook. We started with the basics like scrambled eggs, toast, pasta, and steaming vegetables.
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07.19.17, 07:55 PM
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That's awesome. Such a practical skill!
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07.19.17, 08:09 PM
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FYI - the 22 year old's side of the story wasn't represented in that post. OP was assuming he would ask for a ride she didn't want to give.For all we know, he had already figuered it out, Step Mom was for some weird reason, afraid to communicate what she wanted.
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07.19.17, 07:57 PM
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Ok, fair enough
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07.19.17, 07:58 PM
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For what it's worth - as the parent of a 23 year old who has been fully self supporting since the day after graduating college a year ago, the things we did were: learn basic self care like doing laundry (age 10), washing dishes (around 7 or 8?), cook a simple meal age 9?), navigate public transit (since day 1) write a check/use a bank account (age 13) order chinese food (day 2).
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07.19.17, 08:18 PM
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<3
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07.19.17, 08:23 PM
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Chores
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07.19.17, 08:00 PM
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Sleep away camp for my 8 year old- 7 weeks in the Adirondack Mountains. She has learned to take care of herself! Great confidence builder! She made friends of all ages, tried all new sports (including water skiing and sailing), partipated in camp-wide shows, etc.
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07.19.17, 08:00 PM
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Yup.
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07.19.17, 08:05 PM
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Ditto. 3 weeks away for my 8 year old this summer also. Counselors don't micro manage, so DS might not be wearing any socks or underwear, but at least he's brushing his own teeth, doing chores, taking care of his clothes.
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07.19.17, 08:14 PM
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how is your 5 and 7 yo independent.
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07.19.17, 08:07 PM
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from the time my oldest was about 4yo, i started letting him do stuff by himself - go down to the lobby, stay alone for a few minutes in the apt, and then increased it w his comfort and age. by 6-7yo he was walking down the block to a friend's, by 8 he could go to the bodega around the corner and stay by himself for a couple of hours. by 9 1/2yo he could meet his sister at her dance class after school 3 blocks away. by 10 he rode the bus short distances and by 10 1/2 he could go to/from school by himself walking or bus. by 12yo he started taking the subway in manhattan and by 13yo city-wide. he was babysitting his younger sister starting when he was 11yo. 14 now and he's about to start taking the train upstate on his own. hasn't flown independently yet, only bc there hasn't been an oportunity, but w HS starting this fall, sure there will be soon.
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07.19.17, 08:13 PM
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can we please be friends. I do this with my kids and I feel like an abusive mother with some of the other parents.
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07.19.17, 08:18 PM
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Both my kids are very independent but tbh, I didn't really do anything--I was the reverse: more the hovering, checked everything for them type. I walked my dd to school until 7th grade, etc. Each has gone on to be very independent since MS. My dd is now in Canada with a few friends for 5 days...crossing my fingers (18yo).
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07.19.17, 08:21 PM
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07.19.17, 07:39 PM
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I don't know the official answer to your question, but personally I call those "relations" rather than relatives, as in "Oh yes, I know Jane Smith. We actually have a family relation."
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07.19.17, 07:41 PM
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Yeah. My blood cousin on dad's side matched with Jane on tinder. Hehe no blood at all. But small world. I'm sure nothing will come of it.
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07.19.17, 07:42 PM
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NO, in no way are you cousins. Cousins are blood relatives.
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07.19.17, 07:45 PM
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I've said, "cousins through marriage". Easier than explaining the whole connection.
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07.19.17, 07:48 PM
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np: this is what i usually call it. basically if may and tom had kids, both you and jane would be cousins with them, so as far as i'm concnerned cousins by marriage or cousins-in-law works. these days w blended family, it gets more complicated anyway. i like "family relation" as well (poster above). my kids have first cousins on dh's side. his brother got divorced, but htey still call his ex "aunt sue" (amicable divorce) and then aunt sue got remarried and had another baby, which is technically not their cousin, but their cousins have another sibling, so it's confusing.
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07.19.17, 08:16 PM
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Not technically but in my family we just call these cousins anyway, even if it is through marriage.
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07.19.17, 07:49 PM
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No, Jane is not your cousin. Jane's uncle married your aunt. That's all.
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07.19.17, 07:52 PM
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How about Cousin-in-law?
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07.19.17, 08:02 PM
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There is no such thing! Don't even bother using that. Undoubtedly, you'll be asked to explain what you mean exactly.
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07.19.17, 08:05 PM
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I think it's pretty self-explanatory
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07.19.17, 08:24 PM
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No
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07.19.17, 08:04 PM
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07.19.17, 07:39 PM
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^^^also, are you locked out if you don't pay?
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07.19.17, 07:43 PM
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You can't go to High Holiday services or Hebrew school without being a member. You also get rabbinical services- funerals, births, consultations, etc.
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07.19.17, 08:04 PM
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Probably because synagogues don't have a collection plate.
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07.19.17, 07:43 PM
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This.
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07.19.17, 07:45 PM
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yep or tithing
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07.19.17, 07:56 PM
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because they can't. Some have sliding scale. All say they will give you a break if you ask.
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07.19.17, 08:05 PM
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They have a lot of overhead -- clergy salaries, rent, building maintenance, security.
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07.19.17, 07:44 PM
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Is it deductible?
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07.19.17, 07:46 PM
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Yes, if a non-profit, which I gather that most are.
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07.19.17, 07:47 PM
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yes
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07.19.17, 07:48 PM
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As a donation to a tax-exempt organization, yes. Hebrew school fees no, because you're buying a product.
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07.19.17, 07:52 PM
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I was asking because it would seem not to be an explicit donation but a membership fee.
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07.19.17, 08:01 PM
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You get a receipt saying no goods or services were received.
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07.19.17, 08:02 PM
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Dues are the way synagogues make money to cover clergy, rent, and all the services people want during the year -- shabbat, simchas, etc.
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07.19.17, 07:56 PM
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They must pay salaries of the rabbis and cantors- plus all office personnel and teachers- and building expenses. There is no central office - like the Vatican.
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07.19.17, 08:05 PM
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If you want to go synagogues with lots of oligarchs, prepare to pay up. If you're willing to worship with Long Island dentists, not so expensive.
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07.19.17, 08:12 PM
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In part because there is no central authority helping them cover bills like the catholic church or the mormons. Each synagogue supports itself.
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07.19.17, 08:18 PM
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To pay for the building, rabbi/cantor salaries, administrative staff, cleaning crew, mortgage on the property. Not sure if they are taxed.
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07.19.17, 08:22 PM
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Many have a sliding scale or you can just tell them what you can afford.
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07.19.17, 08:22 PM
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Its a scam like a pyramid scheme.
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07.19.17, 08:28 PM
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07.19.17, 07:36 PM
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$100K
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07.19.17, 07:37 PM
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Mar a lago?
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07.19.17, 07:37 PM
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Initiation? and then how much annually?
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07.19.17, 07:38 PM
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No more than ten thou
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07.19.17, 07:37 PM
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Exactly what we pay, $15K.
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07.19.17, 07:37 PM
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Is that per year? Did you have to do more for an initiation. Thinking about private golf/tennis/swim club with clubhouse dining, etc. Traditional.
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07.19.17, 07:39 PM
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$3500/year plus food and beverage minimum. My membership is paid off, that's just my annual dues and other fees
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07.19.17, 07:51 PM
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