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05.25.13, 06:23 PM
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wtf. who uninvites someone? this "friend" isn't behaving in a very friend-like manner.
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05.25.13, 06:19 PM
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This! This friend is a douche
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05.25.13, 06:20 PM
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She invited me to the dinner days ago though. It was very hurtful. And I would have been DD and have a large car. Probably wouldn't have stayed out until 4am, but would have eliminated several taxi rides for half the group.
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05.25.13, 06:29 PM
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OR - if it were me, I'd ditch her as a friend, permanently. She is not a good person.
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05.25.13, 06:33 PM
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Your "friend" is horrible. I have actually never heard of that before. So classless.
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05.25.13, 06:28 PM
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How rude!!
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05.25.13, 06:19 PM
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She's not your friend. You're better than that - find new friends.
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05.25.13, 06:25 PM
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Ditch this witch! Or put her on blast on fb. What a jerk!
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05.25.13, 06:20 PM
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Post an unflattering picture of her on FB! And tag it!
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05.25.13, 06:23 PM
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You know how to get under her skin. She's a photo nazi and it would only last two seconds and she would never approve it lol
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05.25.13, 06:32 PM
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She is terrible.
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05.25.13, 06:25 PM
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Really?...Cut ties with this "friend"...Wow, not even a little bit cool.
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05.25.13, 06:34 PM
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Like everyone else, I say she was not acting like a friend, more like a bitch real housewife. Do you know why she did that? Do you not get along with newly invited person?
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05.25.13, 06:34 PM
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05.25.13, 06:10 PM
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go to lunch, but have low expectations
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05.25.13, 06:12 PM
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This.
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05.25.13, 06:22 PM
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I would go with the full intention of closure and saying, no...
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05.25.13, 06:13 PM
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Agree with others. Go, but hold your ground if he lets you down.
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05.25.13, 06:26 PM
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+1 On all above
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05.25.13, 06:35 PM
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Can you talk to him before going out to lunch, and straight out ask him why he wants to do this after all these years? then if he says that he wants to make amends, go with him, but if he hems and haws and you feel that he just wants something (money), you can say no and not set yourself up to be disappointed. I hope you are not disappointed though. xo
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05.25.13, 06:42 PM
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You might be pleasantly surprised that he wants nothing from you, but be careful about being set up for the long con as well. I have parents like this.
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05.25.13, 06:38 PM
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05.25.13, 06:09 PM
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They are very narrow minded, even though they think they are not.
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05.25.13, 06:11 PM
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because if you do not do exactly what they do, they are afraid you are judging them. They do not want you to have your own mind.
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05.25.13, 06:19 PM
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Women who are brestfeeding don't have their breasts on display. But, I don't care if you cover up, don't cover up,, bottle feed or breastfeed, use a pacifier or a sippy cup. We should all support each other ladies!
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05.25.13, 06:14 PM
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I'm the poster you got so pissed off at in the last thread. I don't try to make people feel like shit, but OP in that thread was asking what she should do. Multiple posters told her to cover up or implied that she should, by saying *they would cover up. I believe that's completely wrong, and usually stems from our culture's completely upside-down pornified view of the female body. That's why I spoke up. Seriously, when I bf, I wear a nursing top and give my in-laws fair warning, but when I see people basically advising a mom to cover up in her own house in front of her own kids, I think it's wrong. Sorry if I sound obnoxious but I hope this answers your q.
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05.25.13, 06:21 PM
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Or: want to stress, I really don't care if women who want to cover up, do so. Just making it clear that I don't think women should be told to.
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05.25.13, 06:24 PM
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She asked for opinions.
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05.25.13, 06:20 PM
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She did. And I thought the "go hide" opinions were damaging so I argued with them.
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05.25.13, 06:21 PM
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I thought they were just opinions. If you are going to get offended by opinions then don't ask.
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05.25.13, 06:23 PM
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Do you not see how you're contradicting yourself? Our opinions are damaging to the OP so you need to set us straight? That is EXACTLY the attitude I am talking about.
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05.25.13, 06:29 PM
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Don't see how I'm contradicting myself. I see how I'm being obnoxious and possibly sanctimonious, but if OP on the other thread noted my objections then I think I was helping.
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05.25.13, 06:27 PM
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Your contradictions: "I really don't care if women who want to cover up, do so." then, you say that women who cover up only do so because of our pornified view of women. So, basically, anyone who disagrees with you has an unhealthy view of the female body?
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05.25.13, 06:30 PM
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And I personally think you helped our view because you sound so uncompromising and unwilling to listen to other's points of view. If OP really wanted opinions, you beating people over the head with how wrong they are for not wanting to BF in front of a 10-yo, probably just made you sound stupid.
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05.25.13, 06:37 PM
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She asked that specific question. I think she wanted to know the answer to that specific question.
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05.25.13, 06:28 PM
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She asked of SHE should. Not, WWYD, am I wrong?
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05.25.13, 06:34 PM
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Woops I was completely wrong.
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05.25.13, 06:35 PM
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Your debating skills are really poor. You are contradicting yourself left and right.
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05.25.13, 06:26 PM
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Bfing is hard enough without hiding from your children.
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05.25.13, 06:19 PM
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agree
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05.25.13, 06:28 PM
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But that's my point. YOU think it is completely wrong. OP was asking for multiple points of view. I personally, as mentioned above, want people to cover up. So, my opinion that it is better to cover up is completely wrong because it is not yours?
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05.25.13, 06:27 PM
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NP: no it's wrong for other reasons which have been stated previously.
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05.25.13, 06:30 PM
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What are you referring to as wrong? My view that I should be able to cover my body while breastfeeding without being blasted and told I have unhealthy view of women?
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05.25.13, 06:41 PM
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You do understand that you cannot be accepting of another's choice while proclaiming it to be "completely wrong" right?
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05.25.13, 06:45 PM
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Because they are annoying. Some women take on motherhood as though it was some kind of epic holy calling, not just raising kids the best way you can.
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05.25.13, 06:16 PM
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Who the hell are you hanging out with? Honestly - I can't believe 1/2 the stuff I read on here. I've never met anyone IRL who actually cared what anyone else did w/ regards to feeding their DB. Maybe the occasional FTM - insecure and bragging about whatever they're doing to make themselves feel validated - but never so far as to suggest someone should whip out a bare boob at the dinner table. Well - MIL did think it was strange that I nursed because her DD's didn't and she didn't like it so didn't do it... until one of her DD's did - then it was, of course, best for DB...
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05.25.13, 06:28 PM
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This was from a post down-thread. But I live in San Francisco and let me tell you, breastfeeding mothers are like vicious animals on the attack. If you don't breastfeed your children, you are basically the worst most uncaring mother ever.
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05.25.13, 06:31 PM
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np: Breastfeeding moms should not judge others. That said, it's so damn good for your child (and your health) to breastfeed.
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05.25.13, 06:26 PM
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This wasn't even about BF'ing. It was whether or not to use a cover-up.
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05.25.13, 06:27 PM
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What the fuck, is this some backwoods, African Zulu Nation? Women flopping their titties out in public, like some national geographic photo? Nobody wants to see that...except the few creepy fetish loving guys that are sneaking peeks at your engorged, veiny mammary glands...not caring they they are being used to feed a baby...it's still a tit. So, for the sake of everyone, including your dignity...cover up. How hard is that? You're not in the jungle.
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05.25.13, 06:29 PM
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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05.25.13, 06:42 PM
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I agree with you completely. I hate when people try to force their choices or make it seem like you are inhibited!
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05.25.13, 06:29 PM
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05.25.13, 06:00 PM
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Is someone putting a gun to your head and forcing you to do the same? Why do you care?
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05.25.13, 06:00 PM
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It is odd. isn't 5 kids a bit much? Wouldn't it be better to have 2 and give them the best education, lifestyle, attention, life experiences... than 5 neglected ones?
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05.25.13, 06:08 PM
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I have five and they are not neglected in any way.
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05.25.13, 06:13 PM
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Keep telling yourself that you lazy slob, as your poor husband keeps working to support our expanding future moochers
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05.25.13, 06:41 PM
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05.25.13, 06:42 PM
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np: I'm the eldest of five, and I feel in no way 'neglected'. And my youngest sibling was born when I was seven, so there was a lot less than 3 years between each of us. None of us went to private school, and we all paid our own way through college, but I wouldn't trade my enormous, love-filled family for a better 'lifestyle'.
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05.25.13, 06:15 PM
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I agree that love and attention are more important. That said, I am one of six and we had more than most people I knew. We all went to private colleges that my parents paid for. Why do we assume that large families have neglected kids?
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05.25.13, 06:14 PM
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Because I know these people and I know more or less their HHI. No preschool for kids and directly to local public school, no vacations, no one on one time with parents...
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05.25.13, 06:37 PM
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I have a problem supporting you to go to college through financial aid. Cross your legs and stop having babies
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05.25.13, 06:42 PM
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You are making a lot of assumptions. I don't want 5 kids, but it isn't my business what other people do.
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05.25.13, 06:17 PM
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Since when do ub people kind their own business?
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05.25.13, 06:40 PM
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yes. raising children is a viable way to spend one's life vs. pushing papers.
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05.25.13, 06:14 PM
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I think it is lazy moms who want to justify never going back to work
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05.25.13, 06:39 PM
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05.25.13, 05:59 PM
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Don't know anything about that but do like ICE (Institute for Culinary Education).
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05.25.13, 05:55 PM
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I heard it is a bit cult like, you must drink the juice...the kids seem nice that go there...
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05.25.13, 06:06 PM
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lots of artsy, middle class and affluent kids from Brooklyn. agree you need to drink the juice, but parents and dcs seem very happy
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05.25.13, 06:11 PM
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Ha. That's us.
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05.25.13, 06:17 PM
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I know one artsy kid that goes there. He lives in Brooklyn a pond his mom is happy with the school. He said he loves it
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05.25.13, 06:11 PM
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Sounds like a nice place but I don't get this business about the "juice." I know it runs differently from DOE schools, is that what everybody means? No grades, testing, AP classes? I'm down with that.
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05.25.13, 06:21 PM
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05.25.13, 05:48 PM
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You are on the wroooooooooooong board, dear
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05.25.13, 05:49 PM
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HAH!!
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05.25.13, 05:46 PM
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Why? np
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05.25.13, 05:53 PM
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ITA. Walmart?
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05.25.13, 06:08 PM
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go to mcdonalds
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05.25.13, 05:44 PM
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Walk around town. Is there a Wal Mart here? I know there's a Target on FDR
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05.25.13, 05:51 PM
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I love the Target on FDR - what's wrong with it? They have deals, ever been in there???
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05.25.13, 06:09 PM
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Sorry, you sound black...except for the walking bit, they're too lazy for that.
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05.25.13, 06:08 PM
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I wish NYC had a Walmart!
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05.25.13, 06:14 PM
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Go to Target.
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05.25.13, 06:43 PM
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05.25.13, 05:42 PM
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St. Lucia is GORGEOUS! Went last summer with DH and three DC.
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05.25.13, 05:38 PM
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Seconded. Highly recommend Jade Mountain, though it's $$$$
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05.25.13, 05:53 PM
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I would not go to the Caribbean in summer. Dreadful.
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05.25.13, 05:50 PM
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We have babysitting arrangement available only during the summer months.
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05.25.13, 05:45 PM
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You obviously haven't been. It's near the equator, so the temps are not much different than any other time. And it's way nicer than being in the city
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05.25.13, 05:52 PM
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I have not only been but I have several spent summers in the Caribbean. I would not go: mosquitos, dengue fever, hurricanes, ridiculous heat. And the Caribbean is closer to the Tropic of Cancer, not the equator. It does change and it does matter.
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05.25.13, 05:48 PM
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Turks and Caicos
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05.25.13, 05:52 PM
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The water is beautiful
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05.25.13, 05:52 PM
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Turks and Caicos
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05.25.13, 05:52 PM
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05.25.13, 05:42 PM
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No, lol! Unless he's male and you are a SAHM.
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05.25.13, 05:49 PM
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If she was qualified for the position and had good references, then absolutely.
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05.25.13, 05:44 PM
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This!
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05.25.13, 06:15 PM
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Why is your husband in charge of hiring the nanny?
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05.25.13, 05:44 PM
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No just curious.
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05.25.13, 05:52 PM
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The answer is no then.
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05.25.13, 05:56 PM
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My DH is too successful to manage or hire household help.
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05.25.13, 05:44 PM
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LMAO
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05.25.13, 05:55 PM
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+1
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05.25.13, 05:59 PM
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I wouldn't let him hire a nanny period.
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05.25.13, 05:45 PM
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That's not what Eliot Spitzer called her.
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05.25.13, 05:57 PM
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I have an attractive 26 year old nanny. I hired her. I don't understand what is this obsession with nanny's looks. She was the most qualified for the job, my kids love her. She is great. My DH travels for work all the time, if he wanted to cheat he could easily cheat in a different country or state he doesn't have to cheat with the Nanny
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05.25.13, 06:02 PM
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It happens a lot, though. Maybe not in your circumstances, but Robin Williams and Ethan Hawk ended up marrying the nanny. Jude Law had a fling with her. Also there was the 'Girls" subplot...They are in the house being kind to the kids...Those are just the famous people. It's different from a woman abroad, it is an intimate situation. That said, we had female young au pairs in the house at times and it was fine.
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05.25.13, 06:08 PM
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It doesn't happen "a lot". Does your life resemble Jude Law's in any way? Why assume it would in this way?
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05.25.13, 06:10 PM
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Yes, 3 random people constitutes a lot. Yeesh.
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05.25.13, 06:18 PM
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I would expect it is the same as people hooking up with their secretaries. Men tend to fall for those who are in close proximity over time, and especially younger women. You don't think this is true?
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05.25.13, 06:18 PM
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(Not saying your husband is going to stray, by the way. These are gross generalizations. But if the marriage is on the rocks and the nanny is fetching and warm to the family I would be uncomfortable.)
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05.25.13, 06:20 PM
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Nanny here: I would never cheat with my employer. But if Jude Law came on to me I'd be pretty tempted. Does your DH look like Jude Law?
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05.25.13, 06:30 PM
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Lol
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05.25.13, 06:38 PM
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No, he looks like he second cousin twice removed with the bad posture and breath
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05.25.13, 06:37 PM
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We make these decisions together. Yes, I would be fine if the nanny was young and attractive. I trust my husband.
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05.25.13, 06:15 PM
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Why put him in this position? Even if he didn't stray, he's gonna fantasize. Wouldn't want that in my home every day. Sorry.
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05.25.13, 06:30 PM
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Why is your husband hiring the nanny?
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05.25.13, 06:26 PM
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05.25.13, 05:41 PM
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05.25.13, 05:43 PM
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I'm so sorry that a paragraph is too long for you to read.
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05.25.13, 05:42 PM
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+10000000000
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05.25.13, 05:52 PM
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Ugh, sounds like my DH exactly. I will be watching this.
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05.25.13, 05:38 PM
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Too long to read.
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05.25.13, 05:38 PM
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Ok, I am going to give it to you straight and by the way, I am so sorry. I used to have your DH. he will never ever get another job again. He is ok with the status quo (even if he says he is not). He is ok with you pulling ALL of the weight and even better, he gets to sit back and do nothing. This is an innate character trait that will not go away. he will never ever find a job he'll want (there will always be something wrong with it). Not only that, but he has given you evidence that even if he does have a job, he does not take it seriously.
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My DH is like this. A lower level job is not good enough because they will put him on linked in and then he will never get any higher level job again. Meanwhile the higher level jobs are not interested in him. He manages his "investments". We had to move to a lower col area to save money and now - surprise- there are no job openings here. I am at the end of my rope.
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05.25.13, 05:49 PM
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God, I am having flashbacks. I used to apply for tons of jobs for my ex. While working and going to school (no DC's). he would do absolutely nothing all day (well, I later found out, he was doing crack). Then I would get home, have to go grocery shopping and cook. While his sorry ass did nothing except complain about how no one would let him show his goddamn potential.
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05.25.13, 05:52 PM
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And the other day he said he shouldn't have married me but should have waited until he is a billionaire to marry.
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05.25.13, 05:55 PM
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Seriously, get thee to the courthouse. Do NOT tell him. Don't be histrionic. Do not engage with douchebag. Simply have him served divorce papers. He will panic, apologize, promise to be good, stop verbally abusing you. When sociopaths panic, they make grand promises. Do not believe him. File those papers. He is the definition of a piece of shit.
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05.25.13, 06:01 PM
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You know the answer here. Dump the parasite. He'll have a job in no time. And he'll be married again next year and having more kids the year after.
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05.25.13, 05:40 PM
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He'll only get a job if she stops supporting his loser ass. And then, he'll only have that job long enough to trap his next victim. Men like this are becoming more and more normal. he's a straight-up loser and I believe you should call him, tell hiim very matter-of-factly that he is a loser and you no longer want to be married to a loser. Then, go on down and file those papers.
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05.25.13, 05:43 PM
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Definitely is becoming more of a trend as women are in the workforce and doing well.
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05.25.13, 05:53 PM
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Am really sorry too, OP. I think DH is depressed which would explain the overall lack of drive to get up off his butt and support his family. This lack of drive is only made worse by your OVERDRIVE to support the family so it's really hurting him inside. That being said, sounds like he resents you for being the one taking care of everything and he's lashing out (with those nasty comments about your weight etc) I think it's ultimatum time and you give him 1, 2, 3 months to get his act together completely or you are filing for divorce. You sound like a real gem, so keep focusing on you and your kids and if DH wakes up and realizes he's missing the boat on you then so be it - his loss!
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05.25.13, 05:52 PM
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It's not depression; it's piece-of-shit-ism. he wants people to make excuses like he is depressed. he wants people to continue making excuses for his inexcusable behaviors. As long as you allow yourself to think things like this, you will get trampled. There are NO excuses for his behavior; he is using OP for money and not even pretending to hide it Sorry, OP, I really do feel for you. I was you five years ago (except we were only engaged) and now, looking back from a completely objective standpoint, I can totally see how he was manipulating me. You have to get away from the situation and see things as others see them.
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05.25.13, 06:12 PM
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Oh and the fact that he puts you down is his insurance that you will never leave him. My ex used to do this with me. He's being intentionally cruel to you, refuses to support his 4 children, and is ok with his mommy paying his way. He is a bonafide loser and nothing will ever change that. The good news is, you sound incredibly hard-working and resourceful. I would personally quit my job and then file for divorce (so he cannot get alimony from you)
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05.25.13, 05:41 PM
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Your kids will be better off with you happy and fulfilled (instead of the model of you pulling all the weight, always). Please, please begin to think of leaving him. A great weight will lift. You have the wherewithal to give your kids a decent life and they'll visit dad but you deserve a loving, present (non-deadbeat) mate. Why throw love away on this guy?
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05.25.13, 05:46 PM
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It is amazing that multiple women want to reproduce with this man.
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05.25.13, 05:54 PM
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I'm also sorry to hear you have to go through this. I think you should have a talk with him and let him know that he can't lay about all day because he's an adult with financial responsibilities to take care of. And tell him that he shouldn't stop looking for work until the "perfect job" comes his way, he has to work at something for the time being. Hope things work out for you, if not then maybe it's time for you to move on because people like that can quickly become a burden!
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05.25.13, 05:57 PM
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I hate to say this, but talking will not help. He sounds soooo much like my ex. We would have talks, he would cry and promise to get a job within the week. These men can talk circles around you. Plus, he is clearly verbally and mentally abusive, so he is just the definition of a master manipulator. Talking with a master manipulator only gives them the upper hand. Every time. Take the garbage out and let him live in his parent's basement. You'll have an excellent shot at custody if your ex is an unemployed loser who has no home of his own.
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05.25.13, 05:57 PM
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You know the answer - move on. The sooner, the better.
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05.25.13, 05:58 PM
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for gods sake - just get rid of him, live your life and raise your kids to the best of your ability
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05.25.13, 05:58 PM
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Tell him you can't afford to keep him anymore and need to cut expenses.
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05.25.13, 05:58 PM
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LOL
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05.25.13, 05:57 PM
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People like this will continue to under-function as long as we enable them. Quit picking up his slack. Go about building a life without him. If he wants to participate in yours, he will have to contribute. I'm betting after a few months he won't be coming back.
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05.25.13, 05:55 PM
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Pretend your friend wrote you this in an email asking you what she should do. What would you tell her?
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05.25.13, 06:12 PM
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05.25.13, 05:40 PM
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yes.
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05.25.13, 05:46 PM
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This sucks. :(
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05.25.13, 05:50 PM
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Yes, every month. Between that and heavy cramping, I'm pretty much out of commission for that one day each month. It sucks.
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05.25.13, 05:51 PM
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I get heavy cramping, but I'm not usually exhausted like this so I'm able to cope with it. Right now, I just want to curl up in a litle ball and cry, while eating an entire bar of dark chocolate.
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05.25.13, 06:00 PM
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I hear ya. I never crave chocolate, but I have a deeply--bordering on inappropriate--relationship with my heating pad that day.
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05.25.13, 06:03 PM
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Yes, I get that beginning of PG exhaustion. It's awful.
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05.25.13, 05:59 PM
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Yes, every month, I think I have developed cancer or any other disease where fatigue is a symptom. Then my period comes, and I am good. Every single month; you think I'd learn.
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05.25.13, 05:58 PM
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05.25.13, 05:38 PM
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I can think of one particular nanny who proved that.
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05.25.13, 05:40 PM
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There are certain members of every ethnicity that are not trustworthy and others who can be trusted. Many families have both types in the same family.
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05.25.13, 05:40 PM
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Which
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05.25.13, 05:37 PM
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Thanks, we never learned proper grammar in our grade school and I've had hell to pay on UB.
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05.25.13, 05:38 PM
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Caribbean caregivers rule.
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05.25.13, 05:34 PM
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Caribbean nannies are conditioned to be more inclined to crime
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05.25.13, 05:35 PM
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My husband hired a japanese nanny in order to minimize the risk. Goto wikipedia and you will see japanese commit less crime than caribbeans
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05.25.13, 05:36 PM
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Your husband hired the Nanny? I bet he's fucking her.
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05.25.13, 05:37 PM
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I doubt it. This japanese girl is exceptionally ugly
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05.25.13, 05:46 PM
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He does it from behind.
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05.25.13, 05:41 PM
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Yuck
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05.25.13, 05:49 PM
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I bet you he does.
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05.25.13, 05:53 PM
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WTF?
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05.25.13, 05:37 PM
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Go to wikipedia. It lists the violent crime rate for each group. Clearly shows caribbeans close to the top
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05.25.13, 05:38 PM
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Caribbeans commit more crime and also do itin a violent way. Supreme court justice breyer was violently assaulted and robbed by caribbeans. Google it
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05.25.13, 05:45 PM
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WTF??????????
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05.25.13, 05:53 PM
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Hello, nanny Krim. Case in
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05.25.13, 05:45 PM
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I sailed in the Caribbean and the people there are feral. I would never hire a Caribbean person to come to my home.
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05.25.13, 05:51 PM
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This. Parents took a cruise there years ago. HATED it. Said the people were awful and would never go back
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05.25.13, 05:55 PM
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Ignore all these posts. Caribbean women stand up for themselves and can be tough (in a good way, I think) and are (stereotypically, but it has held true as far as I've seen) not pushovers and not passive. Some women have a problem with this attitude. Good for the kids, in my opinion.
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05.25.13, 05:54 PM
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because they're rude, but rich white girls are terrified of them, so that's cool.
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05.25.13, 06:22 PM
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If you want a servant, don't hire a Caribbean woman. If you want a loyal, hard-working woman who knows her own worth and loves your kids (but can be very firm), do hire her.
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05.25.13, 06:29 PM
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